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Q: Why burninate tags?

Jugal ThakkarI see a lot of posts on meta are around burnination of tags. I wonder if that is the best use of the moderators' and communities' time in today's day and age where computing and storage are becoming less and less expensive. Here is what I think suffices Only users with a certain rep can create a...

 
 
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8:13 AM
@NewPosts -_-
> I got a -1 vote because I answered to a question considerate a 'duplicate' and another -1 vote because I complained for it and I asked explanation about that (now those comments have been obviously deleted...) In my country this is called FASCISM.
 
Yes. Hitler and Mussolini were famous for downvoting.
Proof that Hitler supported downvotes.
 
8:37 AM
From the same regime where people could freely decide by themselves that something is bad and vote accordingly.
 
8:56 AM
Also, the "In my country" reads as a very specific one.
 
9:49 AM
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Q: Tailwind CSS styling modifications not being applied on deploy

danielI'm using a tailwind template for a portfolio website but there are things that I want to change such as the background color. I'm changing these things from static/layout.css such as changing these RGB colors .bg-teal-500 { --tw-bg-opacity: 1; background-color: rgb(136 176 75 / var(--tw-bg-o...

 
@E_net4 Say you're American without saying you're American, and have no idea what facism is
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine this
 
if someone is comparing something to facism or communism, and it's obviously detached from political stuff (comparing an actual political movement to fascism and reasoning why is wildly different from "boo, downvotes, you're all fascist because I dislike this") the probability they're american is near 100%
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Or socialism.
The trifecta of American swear words for things that they don't like.
 
Also gaining speed: "woke"
 
10:01 AM
aye
 
To make it a quatrifecta (is this a correct term?)
In other news, I might be posting a rant on meta about benchmarking code. Because pretty much all benchmarks (for JS-related stuff, at least) are wrong. And I have negative feelings towards that.
 
oof
 
I just have to figure out how to make it an actual meta thing, rather than a pure rant.
 
I mean, can you outline the specific problems with the current state of affairs?
 
Yes, easy - benchmarks posted today can be outdated tomorrow. Essentially all benchmarks posted a year ago are completely wrong now. And some are from, say, 2015. Moreover, that's just the pure measurements - many benchmarks are just wrong when they were written because the posted didn't measure correctly. And finally, they are almost useless. If a benchmark shows that one approach takes 0.000358746325ms another 0.000373999831ms does that actually help at all?
Does it really, truly point which code is "better"?
 
10:10 AM
@VLAZ I've noticed
 
For the record, I didn't type random numbers there. That's actual results from a performance measurement somebody ran and posted in an answer.
 
Saw a summary that included the official definition of woke straight from republicans
 
(converted the numbers to ms there. Also, I assume those numbers mean op/s. Doesn't really specify)
 
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Q: Upvoting a deleted answer decreases vote count with negative vote count

MacGyverIn StackOverflow, if you click the up arrow on a deleted answer with a negative vote count, the vote decreases by one, instead of increasing by one. This is a bug. Can this be fixed or prevent the vote count from changing entirely?

 
10:22 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/75799639 You can clearly see the seam where the Ask Question Wizard causes OP to make a worse attempt at asking the question than would happen otherwise.
 
@KarlKnechtel I keep seeing this more and more. The second box in the wizard is filled with some text that only makes sense when read inside the wizard. Not when read in a question.
 
Expecting people to check that the "merge" (literal concatenation) makes sense is an unreasonable burden. If they could do that, they could have used the original form at least as competently.
really the entire concept is flawed.
I want to post about this, but I'm not sure I've managed yet to find a sufficiently polite way to phrase "Is the Ask Question Wizard (2022) a deliberate act of sabotage by the staff?"
it's hard to get softer than an assertion like "The Ask Question Wizard (2022) offers no apparent benefits and is actively degrading new questions" without outright lying about how I really feel.
 
A quick example of this that I managed to find:
The second sentence/paragraph only makes sense in the context of "What did you try and what were you expecting?" and even then skips over the "try" part of it.
 
11:03 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Awesome stuph btw, I'm putting that show on the to-view list.
 
@E_net4 'tis pretty good. Although I watch it rarely.
Good delivery. Also informative. Well-researched as far as I've been able to tell.
 
 
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12:55 PM
Like zoe's gave an example about when the user executes the command (sudo rf -rf /)... Guys what world do people live in? You don't need to have a basic linux course, much less need to use the system on a day-to-day basis to know what this command does. If the person performs the act of executing this command, it is the person's responsibility. — IAsyncResult 7 mins ago
 
> You don't need to have a basic linux course, much less need to use the system on a day-to-day basis to know what this command does
And yet, people remove root on Linux and system32 on Linux on a regular basis
Also, people might not read far enough to see it, or there could be a bad argument substitution that removes root
 
Let's ask survivors of a simple CLI command turned wrong how simple it is. Hi, survivor here. My case was thankfully simple enough. I did something like cp -r dira/.* dirb/ to copy some hidden files over. I was too lazy to write them out and there was, like, 4-5 of them.
Well, turns out recursive copy of anything starting with . means it also traversed .. (upper directory) and . (current directory). Meaning that it copied all the content of dira into dirb then went up and did it again. Eventually got to the parent of both directories and copied dirb into dirb. The entire hard disk of the server filled up in just a couple of minutes. Thankfully, I just had to delete the mess then re-copy correctly this time.
That's not as bad as somebody else did to that server when they tried to do something like mv ./ dir/ but actually did mv / dir/ which moved ALL FILES FROM THE ROOT. Still recoverable without too much issues. But the first problem when doing this is that all binaries in /bin are gone. Which includes mv, so you cannot move files around with that command any more. Or see directories with ls.
Protip you can do cat * to list the contents of a directory, since cat is not an executable but a shell built-in.
Also, if you move the executable elsewhere it means that you need to reference it explicitly, e.g., /wrongdir/bin/mv dira/ dirb/
These are super basic commands if anybody wasn't aware. Way more basic than trying to delete everything. And destroying the entire hard drive is dangerously easy by omitting a forward slash some where. Depends on the command. You have to be super familiar with the exact command and its syntax to know what it would do. Might even be platform-dependent, too.
So, I'm not quite on board with "it's their fault" for not knowing the, frankly, byzantine and opaque results of what is essentially an arcane incantation plucked from the unixnomicon.
 
1:12 PM
Well, ChatGPT to the rescue(?)
 
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Q: Does Github Copilot generated code fall under the GPT ban?

NotTheDr01dsIn this October 2021 Meta question, it was asked whether or not AI-generated code such as Copilot is acceptable here. The overwhelming consensus, at least at that time, seemed to be that it is acceptable. Of course, now, based on the known issues with GPT-generated code and content we have a gen...

 
1:32 PM
Yeah, chmod is also a footgun. Many times a user might have a problem because they don't have access to a directory. Many suggestions online are simply to change the permissions to allowa all access. Which allows all access. Whereas the proper solution is to execute a process as the correct user or simply transfer ownership to the correct user. Depends on what the issue came about.
On a lot of systems improperly configured permissions aren't really an issue. If it's somebody's personal computer, it probably hardly matters. If it's a shared machine, it's more of an issue. Might be catastrophic for a server.
@VLAZ "It's a common problem across the site for users tagging their editor when they actually have a problem with the code they've written inside the editor." This is just one of many reasons why we ought never have accepted questions about the editor as on topic. — Karl Knechtel 12 mins ago
*cries in 33% of questions about IntelliJ features*
 
intelephense?
 
More seriously, I think using an IDE is still programming. Analysing code for potential problems should be. And my questions were about such features in IntelliJ. E.g., Is it possible in IntelliJ to find (possibly) redundant try...catch blocks? Which apparently wasn't well-liked but, IMO, it's quite important when trying to take over legacy code. Which is how I came up with this problem.
The previous developer(s) abused try { /* code */ } catch (Exception e) {} which caused all sorts of problems when trying to do any sort of sensible exception handling. Expected exceptions get swallowed or some times handled as if they are different ones. Because the developer never imagined anything else than a single exception happening. Even when that assumption was incorrect already.
Dealing with such code is an integral part of software development. Not all projects are green field ones with clean and clear coding guidelines.
There is a lot of tooling tied to IDEs. And routine software development tasks that are done with it. If I'm using IntelliJ and I'm told I can only do some task using Eclipse or (gods forbid) NetBeans, it's going to be exceptionally unlikely I'd switch over for just that one thing. This if I were to ask "how to analyse X in Java" generally without asking for IntelliJ, such answers would be useless to me. Ditto for finding such answers.
 
2:38 PM
> Your question isn't clear but maybe this is what you want as it looks like what you posted as expected output?
 
3:03 PM
> awesome, Thank u so so much you don't how much it was important for me. I was about to lose my First job
A comment by OP in response to
> It would be $content = $custom_content . $content; instead of $content .= $custom_content;
 
Is there a way to display custom warnings in the editor triggered by keywords in a question title/body?
 
Call me heartless but if that is an issue you would lose your job over...maybe that's fair.
@A-Tech Yes, there should be. For example, if you post a JSFiddle link, you'd get a message that you also need to add code.
 
in the old editor
 
thanks
 
(which some users bypass by just wrapping the link in backticks...)
 
3:18 PM
> What our engineers learned building Stack Overflow
how many of the existing engineers built stack overflow
 
And how many of the current engineers have been scientifically proven to learn?
 
@KevinB How many of the current engineers have had to learn how the thing they were building worked?
 
people and companies pushing AI solutions, to me, feels like those people who used to come by on the weekend trying to spread their religion
 
3:37 PM
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Q: Why is StackOverflow deleting duplicates of answers that are on different websites?

Petr ApeltauerRecently I added an answer to StackOverflow question here: @StateObject vs @ObservedObject in a UIKit parent environment answer The answer was deleted because it was duplicate (aka "plagiarism") - but not on StackOverflow. It was duplicate on different website. I also edited it and added the sour...

 
4:18 PM
> it is a query of major of the junior frontend/backend developers and is not yet properly answered, so , i also faced the similar problem. It is appreciated for someone to answer this query!
 
No!
 
4:37 PM
> The inbox improvements were Radek’s graduation project. Not bad for a newbie.
 
i mean
 
Hmm, is that why there basically hasn't been any serious result from the feedback that was given, what, December last year?
 
the inbox is pretty awful
 
I. Absolutely. Hate. The. Fact. That. I. Need. To. Keep. Refreshing. It.
It drives me up the wall.
 
the new features are certainly neat features, but neat features with an overall broken result isn't an improvement
 
4:39 PM
It's not even consistent. If I had already opened the inbox on the page, then I also need to click the "Refresh" button. But if I didn't, then I don't. It's, of course, not at all apparent which one it would be when I try to open it.
 
when i need to click mark all as read or reload the page on 6 different tabs to get rid of a notification,
 
Also, if you try to view your global inbox and you change pages then opening a message stops working. Even if you go from page 1 to page 2 and back to 1.
Sorry, not "opening the message" I meant "marking the message as read"
So, good luck with an unread message which is buried and you can't see it in the normal inbox. You can mark all as read. But if you leave two messages to deal with later, you can't do that until you handle both.
I also dislike how much clicking it makes me do. I like using keyboard shortcuts because using the mouse a lot leads to cramps. Well, guess what happens if you get 10 messages...
 
@VLAZ Honestly, all of this just reads like "we wanna be google"
Google has a habit of just pushing projects, acting like this is definitely a thing that will be maintained, and then not maintaining it
ref: Google+, Stadia, Hangouts, Duo, probably a shitton more video chat services, Project Ara (which I personally looked forward to), and more
 
do you appreciate being waved away as "users who just don't like change"
 
Does Tink?
 
4:52 PM
That's also fun; any improvement suggestions with a hint of negativity just get discarded as "y'all just don't like change" when the reality is that the solution is incomplete, and their ability to maintain it is effectively 0
Like with the Stacks editor
I'm willing to bet it was a grad project that they then half rolled out and realised they probably needed to fix
 
iirc we were told that they couldn't work on bug fixes for the inbox immediately after it released due to end of year code freeze
that was... 5 months ago, when does the end of year end
 
in January
2025
 
5:15 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine You could immediately tell the maintenance either got zero thought or was actively dismissed. The changes were released in December. And we are all aware that essentially starting mid-December a lot of people traditionally go on holiday. It would have been ambitious to release then follow up with releasing more based on feedback in December. Which didn't happen, nor did I have any hope it would. Yet, with that said, here we are four months later with nothing happening still.
OK, call it three months, if we are generous and subtract holiday time around new year.
 
@VLAZ I'm not entirely sure it's intentional. I half assume that, with similarity to Google, they've defined some garbage system that encourages building and shipping, but not maintaining
It's one of the very few obvious ways to explain the consistency
 
Yes, depends on whether there is a policy for that (or internal strive) or just nobody thought about it and assumed all releases are final and perfect.
Also reminder that custom filters don't have the new indicator. It's been this case since November. They are almost entirely useless to me now. I only use one of my custom filters since I only really care about the latest questions in it anyway. The others I have I prefer to check occasionally and review the new questions in them. Which I cannot do now.
 
5:41 PM
Have you looked at the user they promoted in that post?
1100 answers, and earned a badge for maintaining a positive asking record. Days ago they posted a -5 question
Sorry, 1100 questions
 
@KevinB I didn't.
 
6:05 PM
you think it's 1100?
... I confused them for someone else
it's 1185 with deleted
I know of someone with far more questions though
 
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Q: Can we add a "Reviewer stats" button to every queue?

Michael M.When viewing an item that has finished the Suggested Edits Review Queue, a button labeled "Reviewer stats" appears that lets you see how many times the reviewers approved, rejected, and improved in the queue. However, I noticed that this feature only exists in the Suggested Edits queue. To me, it...

 
So, of the last 10 questions, the sum of the scores is -7. Everything except the last two sums to zero. So that makes it an average of -0.7 per question. Congratulations on the Socratic Badge!
 
guess this ab test has been implemented
 
6:19 PM
I don't see it. Maybe A/B still?
 
> how to import json file in productdetails js file
 
whoa whoa whoa what is this
 
links to how do i format a microsoft json date
 
I see it on Meta... it's awful.
 
it's on main too
 
6:20 PM
 
crap data drivin development
 
On on Main for me yet. I'll blame thank caching
 
the data says it reduced bounce rates! it must be a positive change!
it is strictly positive for ad revenue, not developers
 
I guess we now wait 6-8 for SE to announce the results.
I'm actually eating right now. I'll have to find a way to hide this later because it would drive me insane.
 
@TylerH brb need to throw up
Just got that too. It's disgusting
@VLAZ #inline_related_var_a_less, #inline_related_see_more, and #inline_related_see_less - you're welcome
 
6:26 PM
10q
 
oh, and #inline_related_var_a_more, but it's hidden by default so it's less important
 
Where's a table to flip
 
@NickstandswithUkraine here you go: ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
6:30 PM
tis on mse too, so network-wide
i wonder if any of the other networks even knew about the a/b test
 
It's on main for me now, as well.
@KevinB Well, now they should. I suppose we're waiting for an hour or so for the traditional announcement after something is released.
Apparently more stuff got released:
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Q: I'm repeatedly getting 409 and 500 HTTP responses when trying to edit comments

starballI'm getting this on SO, MSE, and other network sites. What happened?

As always, the best indicator for a release is the bug report density on meta(s).
 
it's even on code review
 
The cancer is spreading
 
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Q: Too much wasted space between question and answer input form because of muved 'Related questions' from side to center

Nina ScholzYes, titel says it all: The new 'Related questions' section moves the answer box more to the end of page and makes it problematic to write an answer with code and have a look to a wanted result from the question. Please return to the old layout. BTW why is no tag for workflow?

 
and now i keep getting notifications that don't go away unless i mark all as read
 
6:46 PM
That's been happening to me since they added the mark as read feature...
 
i mean, same, but now i'm getting notifications on top of pointing out these issues, :p
 
Given the tempo of people complaining about this, now I expect SE would come up with an "Oops, sorry, we didn't mean to release this" instead of announcing it and quickly backtrack. Although I'm not convinced that's really what happened. If it did, then how. How do things accidentally end up on prod dev without meaning to?
 
i expect them to double down and show "data" proving it's a positive change and that we just don't like change
 
Do we have a "SE release bingo" yet?
 
A change meant to make related questions more visible is going to result in a number of people never seeing them again
 
6:57 PM
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A: Why are "related questions" suddenly appearing above the answer input (instead of in the right sidebar) for unanswered questions?

tanj92Thanks for letting us know. The new module was originally part of an experiment which concluded. We graduated the experiment today but it was supposed to only be available on the Stack Overflow site instead of across the network. The experiment post will be updated to announce the graduation. We'...

We were both wrong. Or both right.
Maybe a little bit of column A, a little bit of column B.
@ZoestandswithUkraine I will list you as contributor to my userstyle that uses this. I'd like for you to confirm, though. Also, feel free to suggest which name you want for that. I can add @contributor Zoe or anything else.
I'm writing up the StackApps post for the userstyle.
 
> As part of the experiment, we observed a statistically significant 900%+ increase in clickthrough rate in experiment/variant groups compared to the control group.
as i said, data driven development
all they cared about was that people clicked it, not that upon clicking it anything useful occured.
that clickthrough rate must be great for ad revenue. I wonder whether or not the users found it useful
 
@VLAZ Maybe do LunarWatcher for GitHub consistency. I don't mind though, either is fine. I'm not particularly consistent in userscripts or userstyles myself, so I don't really have a standard
 
Still a bit to finish the StackApps post.
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Q: Remove related questions from the middle of the page

VLAZStack Exchange graduated the test of moving the related questions section in the middle of the secreen. This section rarely provides actually relevant questions and it serves as a big distraction in most cases. The userstyle removes it from the middle of the screen by directly hiding it. When Re...

 
7:15 PM
effectively, they're now encouraging askers to stray away from their question and explore other questions, potentially leading them to not be on their own question available to provide immediately responses to feedback
 
900% clickthrough rate being the justification is outright dumb. That might help SEO and some local numbers at best, but it doesn't actually describe utility for the average user
 
that stat makes perfect sense, given the A/B test was restricted to not answerers/invested users.
> The experiment will be conducted on Stack Overflow question pages for anonymous users only. It will target 20% of the traffic that will be split evenly between the control and two variant groups.
i find the immediate retraction of this feature from all other networks not SO laughable
What is special about SO, other than it's scale, that makes this feature particularly for SO?
 
> During the experiment, we observed a statistically significant
Damn it! I wanted to joke about "statistically significant" earlier but I didn't.
@KevinB Arguably it's less useful on SO because of its scale. If you show the "related" on 100 questions the section would be wrong most of the time. On SO 100 questions are posted every few minutes.
 
as a side-note, ignoring the uselessness of it, i hate the ui
i can't copy-paste off of it
the entire block is clickable rather than just the link
 
7:30 PM
Alt+Left click and drag
Of course, yes - doesn't work on mobile. Not sure if you can easily select there.
 
they're links and they should work like links, not buttons
 
Also, this is in no way an endorsement that such UI should even be made.
I fully agree with you. There was something I've used which was even more obnoxious as it was a whole div which was clickable and it just listened for mouseup or something similar. So the Alt+click didn't even work. It would trigger the link.
 
Maybe unpopular take: if the related questions section is useful, it shouldn't be in the sidebar. No one notices the related questions in the sidebar because it looks like general site nav rather than where anything related to the content should be.
 
agree, but, where hsould it be instead?
it certainly shouldn't be above answers, below them maybe? below the first one?
 
As I understand it, it's not above the answers; it's only shown on unanswered questions.
 
7:37 PM
sure
 
There are two problems in my mind: 1) the selection of questions is not very good, and 2) if it does have good suggestions, it may serve as a "plagiarize answers from here" section for people who are inclined to do that sort of thing, unless some sort of countermeasure is established against that.
 
but i'm more speaking of if they had a more general location, as you were theorizing
 
Well, I was more theorizing that what they rolled out is fine from a UX perspective (separately from a content quality perspective)
but as a general location, "below the answers, if any" seems reasonable.
 
@RyanM Collapsible "related" section?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine yeah being collapsible might be a nice thing to add.
 
7:49 PM
what a junk change man
Everything else aside, the short period of change doesn't control for the fact that any substantive change is going to see increase clickthrough for a short period if time because it's so new and in your face
 
the best of the best just know better than we do
i don't understand how we're 12 years in, and they still don't seem to be taking advantage of the resource right in front of them
well
other than through using us as a marketing line, ofc
> How has SO Saved your day?
 
@TylerH Also, just because people click more doesn't mean the suggested links are useful.
I strongly suspect it meanss they are just more visible. The side bar suffers from "banner blindness".
I've seen long-time users who didn't realise there was a "linked" section. I remember explaining to somebody with screenshots that it existed. Because they had posted an FR for basically that section.
 
I see it as... someone visits a question, sees no answers, and out of desperation explores "related" questions
rather than going back to google and trying again
 
I do think that's what's happening. And they only do so because the section is now more visible. And it reads "related questions" which one might reasonably assume contains questions which are related. But that assumption would be wrong the majority of times.
They could put a giant section labelled "This is actually the thing you're looking for!" then generate a random link to a cat picture and they'd see people clicking on it more if it's placed in your face.
 
@VLAZ those seem like dumb users. I mean it is not exactly hidden
but yeah it is largely relegated to the dustbin because its contents are so bad
 
8:02 PM
it isn't hidden, but it's just a dumb list of links
 
shoving it front and center doesn't solve that problem
it just wastes users time more
 
just like HNQ
 
@TylerH Well, no. But in fairness, most the stuff on the right bar is useless. Eventually most would tune it out.
 
just like recent tags
 
@VLAZ Yeah, but I mean if I'm gonna make a feature request for something that is shown on every page, I expect to be called dumb...
it's not even toggleable like HNQ is
 
8:03 PM
if there were less dumb useless things on the page that are irrelevant to what users are here for maybe people wouldn't ignore 90% of the page
 
Many don't like the HNQ. And the featured part. The ads on the right bar are right off. I've got an adblocker so I don't even see those. I'm not even sure if the ads are placed before or after the question links.
 
Like why does recent tags exist
 
@TylerH Also in fairness - the linked questions aren't on every page. Only if there is incoming or outgoing links. Also it blends right in with "Related Questions" on the side which most already tune out. That's not to say that a long standing user shouldn't at least pay some attention to this. But I do understand why they might have missed it.
 
can they not just not display anything when there's nothing to display rather than displaying an entirely useless list of tags
 
@VLAZ I know the section exists and I still forget to ever look at it.
 
8:06 PM
 
@VLAZ Sure, they're on probably 90% of question pages
 
@KevinB OK, my time to be dumb. Where even is that section?
 
^ I was about to ask
 
it's what you see when you have HNQ disabled in your profile
rather than just adblocking it
they fill the space with whatever useless junk they can
i also get this:
 
@KevinB wow uh, that sure is some useless junk. The Recent Badges section is a particularly useless one
 
8:08 PM
that legendary_rob is doin some work
 
...yeah, actually, hang on a moment, that's a lot of Notable Question badges at once...
 
This is what mine looks like:
I don't know why "related tags" is empty. To be quite honest, I don't even know why it's there. I've never paid attention to it and now is the only time I noticed it. The bigger gap is, IIRC, that new ads for trainings they did. Which I assume gets adblocked but I've not bothered to block the container.
I basically don't even go look past "ignored tags".
 
have you really looked at the navbar lately, without all the blocks on
 
Also, I had the blog section on the top blocked for a while but something changed with the page, so I have to re-do it. Also can't be bothered.
@KevinB No.
 
to be fair the blog's content quality has gotten less terrible
 
8:13 PM
see how many repetative links you can find pointing to either teams, collectives, or their general product pages away from SO
 
Most recently, I visited logged out to check something. That's the first time I saw the pulse survey which was in the side bar. I never knew that's how you found it. Never bothered to look for it, either.
The pulse survey has been going on for a couple of years now.
 
it's a marketing survey, nothing more, and thus serving it to users blocking ads is useless
 
@RyanM Yes, it went from (literally) outrageous back to so bland, you never need to look at it again. Which, admittedly, is an improvement. But the bar was set very low to begin with.
 
I don't think it's necessarily a bad change, from a UI perspective... but I doubt it's going to be a useful change for people looking for a solution unless the question is literally a duplicate that should have been caught before submit. — Kevin B Feb 10 at 16:36
 
@RyanM Ryan has been compromised. Prepare to liquidate the asset
 
8:15 PM
Hey now VLAZ said the same thing I did mostly
doesn't he need to be liquidated too?
 
Several assets have been compromised. It's spreading. Prepare the nuclear bomb
 
Hmm, can I volunteer? I think I'd prefer being a liquid. Can I be a beer?
 
the blog's content is either a podcast where C**'s talked to other C**'s, or it's a post promoting teams/collectives, or it's some random article copy pasted from medium, loosely related to current trends regardless of current problems facing the community related to those trends
the content in the 3rd category isn't always bad
it's rarely great
 
@KevinB Also, the marketing ones "I'll describe a software development issue but the solution is in my book/course/stone tablets/whatever"
 
@VLAZ No. You can be a medium depressing glass of undrinkable water
 
8:18 PM
it's often written by someone with a personal interest in the subject, such as a company owner
 
Wait, I just described beer
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine :D
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine someone forgot to tell me beer is undrinkable
 
tldr the company has shifted to big corp and are building their product portfolio around them rather than the community
 
@TylerH You been drinking it?!
 
8:20 PM
I mean what else would be doing with it
 
@TylerH Oh come on. What's next, are you gonna pretend dihydrogenmonoxide is safe too?
 
Isn't that the stuff you need to fix your ship at the beginning of No Man's Sky?
 
@TylerH Boil your spaghetti with it, duh
 
Currently we've got an interview with an engineer and a PM related to the inbox changes, and an article by someone who wrote a book on the subject of the article (which is, of course, to promote the book, but also that sort of thing is a common way that qualified authors trade good content for visibility for their book - and a reasonable one, since if the blog post sucks, you probably aren't going to buy their book)
(disclaimer: I have not read the blog post and wasn't going to buy the book either way, since it's not a subject I'm particularly interested in)
 
changes that.... are riddled with bugs that haven't been fixed in 5 months
all while brushing off criticism as "some people don't like change"
 
8:23 PM
Sure but that's a separate problem (also it's still better than the old inbox)
(I am admittedly biased by the moderator UX perspective on this, which leans on inbox notifications maybe more than it should for, e.g., replies to mod messages)
also you seem to hit bugs that I've never seen, e.g.,
Mar 8 at 21:05, by Kevin B
i wish the inbox would stop notifying me of things from 30 minutes ago that i've already seen half a dozen times now
I haven't hit this one, somehow
 
the old inbox stayed out of my way
 
the most annoying issue for me is that it's difficult to find unread notifications that are past the limit of what it will show in the "all" view
though the old inbox had that problem too
 
admittedly the issue i'm running into is probably more a case of they haven't tested for how it works with edge's "inactve tab" feature
when i open a tab that was inactive, it doesn't re-request inbox info to update the status
if i have 6 open tabs, all 6 are going to be stuck in that state
routinely i also somehow manage to navigate to a post usign teh inbox, with it not marking the notification as read
 
It also can fail if you leave a tab open. Usually when the webseocket dies for a moment. Which doesn't happen often but when it does, every tab you've had open will show unread notifications and you'd probably need to refresh each of them to get the inbox to sync up properly.
 
I would rather be able to expand a notification that is shown but is only the most recent in a series of notifications for the same post
within the modal window
let me see them all at once without having to click each one as read and refresh
 
8:29 PM
oh, yeah, I've had untold numbers of websocket issues with Firefox for some reason; I've had to stop using it on SE entirely.
 
oh that's unfortunately
I would hate having to use Chrome
 
I've one machine that seems to keep having websocket issues. However, it might be down to the network it uses. I've not fully tracked it down. I don't use the machine that much, as well.
 
i'd be using chrome if i had a choice
 
You always were questionable
 
cant wait for the update where i can get rid of this stupid bing button
 
8:43 PM
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@KevinB you can already get rid of it if you are talking about Edge
you can edit the desktop shortcut target or there's a registry setting
 
there's a registry setting, but i'm not messing with that on a work pc
 
I think the value is --disable-features=msUndersideButton to add to the target field of the shortcut
Though the downside of doing the shortcut is that any action that launches the browser will do so via the actual application and will still have the Bing icon
but registry settings are something to be afraid of if you know what you are doing. In this case, adding a key. If something breaks (which it won't in this case) you can just delete the key again
 
But on a work computer there may be various restrictions. Most obvious one might be not being able to open regedit. Less obvious might be IT monitoring such actions and then having you explain why you "messed" with the registry.
I'd avoid doing registry edits if at all possible.
 
Normally yes, though often programmers are given local admin access on their machines
 
8:54 PM
And otherwise trying to change any of the "admin"-ish things, even if you have access to those.
@TylerH Yes but also at my work, IT manage to wipe out changes made regularly. Like recently an update wiped out the theme I had set on Notepad++. And that's not even an admin-level thing. Although I've had to do some creative workarounds for other things. Like stopping IT pushing Firefox ESR down my throat.
Each time I had an FF update pushed from the company, it would install FF ESR which is an older version than the current FF. And because it's older, all my plugins won't work. And a large portion of my profile.
Eventually, I just installed the regular FF in a custom location, since the updates only went to the default installation. However, updates still maintain I need to close FF to update it. Which means it's highly disruptive for my web dev related work.
 
@VLAZ Well, yes, but ESR updates probably means they are updating from an older version of ESR to the newer ESR version
but the right thing to do would be to ask them to build an exclusions list for that SCCM push or whatever they are using and put your computer on that list
 
Or from X.0.1 to X.0.2 while the latest version is X+10 or X+20
 
9:11 PM
I can upvote Makyen's answer only once. Pls fix. Wu-Thank Clan in advance.
 
:(
allow upvoting posts by Makyen more than once.
 
What about my posts???
 
Easy workaround - change your name to Makyen to opt into multi upvoting.
 
That assumes we tie the FR to a username and not a userID.
Status: closed - needs details
 
9:15 PM
*grumbles about oppression*
 
9:25 PM
i do have admin access and likely wouldn't catch any blowback for doing it, but i'd rather not raise any questions to begin with
absolutely being monitored
 
Eh. If they are actually monitoring changes like that, which is uncommon, then they should understand why the change is being made and take it as a cue to add it to their list of things to roll out org-wide
Our org blocks as much as possible related to Bing or any other unintended data exfiltration as a policy
Even the recommended templates feature in PowerPoint is blocked
They fairly pragmatic; if they can block it and it doesn't look like it's needed, they block it. If something is blocked and you can show a business need for it, they'll unblock it, or rather create a group of users who need access to it and unblock it for that group
 
9:57 PM
> as can be seen in the history of modifications by clicking on the 'edited' link below, this note of mine had been canceled and I had to restore it. I would say that CENSORSHIP, DICTATORSHIP and BIG BROTHER should be added to the word FASCISM
Of course there had to be a part 2.
 
10:13 PM
looks like they're unit-testing moving related questions underneath the question.
er, A/B testing.
Are the rest of you still grumbling about US politics, based on your national stereotypes?
 
@KarlKnechtel they were. This is permanent
 
oh, I wasn't included in the test, then. It seems good, though
 
I mean, I understand that it's mostly a conservative American stereotype. One can't help it when the match is so evident.
Some stereotypes are rather kosher to make fun of, I believe. You can go ahead and say "Cristiano Ronaldo" when I arrive, and ask if the cod fish I had for dinner was good. I'll just do the upside down emoji.
 
10:49 PM
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