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Q: Does deleting a question in order to post a new one confirm that I consistently post low-quality questions?

skinnedKnucklesMy main question is bulleted below. But first I'll offer some background, contextual details. I'll do my best to be factual. Recently I had a question closed with the standard explanatory message shown below. I saw the blue colored text "edit the question" or "post a new one" and regarded the...

 
 
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3:18 AM
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Q: "List of close voters is only viewable by users with the close/reopen votes privilege" is incorrect

Adam MillerchipThe list is viewable by anyone, including anonymous users, in the edit history. For example: https://stackoverflow.com/posts/75318083/revisions

 
 
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6:52 AM
@NewPosts If there is a sign next to the front door which says "doesn't close", then I go to the kitchen and manage to close a cabinet, I wouldn't really call the sign next to the door "incorrect" or "misleading". Even if I was mislead at first, I'd go "Oh, the sign was valid for the door only" and simply carry on.
 
 
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8:32 AM
> I desired an explanation from the down-voters for educational purposes and i have every right to ask that.
Poor thing
 
Well, yes - they have every right to ask that. And we have every left to not answer.
 
9:18 AM
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Q: How to deal with a "correct", but deleted answer because of ChatGPT

DarkBeeYesterday I was having a look at the newest question tagged with twig and came upon this question, which already had a, now-deleted, decent answer. At that time I felt the answer did a fair job at helping out OP to provide a solution, so it wouldn't make any sense for me to add an additional answ...

 
 
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11:11 AM
> Irony left the chat ..
 
11:36 AM
> The big solution would be to create actual hard incentives against bad downvotes, bad close votes, bad "this is a duplicate", and so on, especially on chronic repeat offenses.
> We should go meta with rep. I would love to downvote a close or duplicate or delete judgment, burning a little of my rep to penalize everyone who was responsible for that judgement (just like we burn our -1 to inflict a -2 on an asker or answerer).
Pick the worst take
 
Of course, that should work the other way, right? We should also be able to penalise upvoters and reopen voters if it turns out they cast bad votes.
 
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Q: Stack Overflow moderators able to identify content generated by Chat GPT?

benslinux24I am in complete agreement with Stack Overflow's decision to ban content generated by Chat GPT and other A.I. tools. But I am curious as to how the moderators are able to distinguish and identify such content? I think many of us are starting to develop a 'sense' for when we are reading this new f...

 
Seems fine and fair to me, in that case. The authors of the quotes will just define fair and objective criteria about what is a "bad vote". This, of course, would be agreed upon by everybody (see: "fair and objective"). And we can implement the feature!
 
1:04 PM
@VLAZ No, we should obviously get rid of evil negative votes and the moderators with the egos, duh
 
Ak-shoe-ali, it's minus not "negative votes" and admins not "moderators". Lrn2Complain
 
I do just wanna say for the record that I don't have an ego, because I'm amazing and much better than y'all peasants /s :p
 
15 hours ago, by VLAZ
@KevinB I, too, am the most humble person IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!
 
1:42 PM
lol
 
 
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2:47 PM
In the future I'm thinking about editing content from my SO answers into blog articles. but I'm worried that this risks getting plagiarism flags if people don't notice the answers were prior to the articles
 
@KarlKnechtel Should be fine. Mods are generally able to figure out if the blog is yours or not. You can also add a link in your blog in the bio to make this easier. Or maybe add some note on the blog: "Originally published <link to SO>" but I'd personally not do that.
 
3:16 PM
I mean, it would probably involve taking stuff from multiple answers and copy-editing it together, possibly with a bit of new stuff. but it sounds like I don't really need to think about it
 
I wouldn't worry about it.
Well, if the mods dispatch the bunny death squad, then you also don't need to worry. Your demise will be swift and silent. And adorable.
 
3:51 PM
> I made a solution using ChatGPT. Please take a look and let me know if it is helpful. If not please downvote :D
Some people make this too easy
 
4:37 PM
Thank you to everyone keeping the suggested edit queue empty. It's been easy to submit edits lately and that's a nice change.
 
It's still mostly full. Just not at 498 posts as usual.
 
What's the limit on it?
 
500
 
ooooh
 
I've been trying to keep it under the cap when I notice it getting close. It's helpful that my reviews only need 1 to complete. Idk what changed, but it feels like it's full less often. Idk if there are less suggestions or more reviewers, but it's been working...
 
4:50 PM
maybe users using it for rep are starting to resort to chatgpt answers rather than suggesting edits
 
5:47 PM
Is there a non-SEDE way to check where the views on my content comes from (the "people reached")? I'm just curious. But can't be bothered to go look for or write a query.
I noticed my "people reached" seems to have jumped from ~700k to ~1m and I don't think I've really posted on any popular questions. And honestly, I don't even know how I got to ~700k anyway, the previous number I recall was ~360k. So some question(s) I posted under seem to be getting views, I suppose.
 
given it's entirely based on views on the question, if you saw a sudden jump without posting new answers, i'd look for potential merges, or questions that were hit by the meta effect, etc
 
I've got 800 answers. I don't want to go look at each one.
I'd like to see at a glance which question an answer is under has how many views.
 
user:me with some of the other search options might help
views:500-1000
or whatever number you want
i have 4 answers with 1k-5k views
ah, that filtering isn't working
 
Yes, only works for questions. Which is dumb.
 
> Search options answers only not deleted user 400654 views 10000 - 50000
displays a question
broken search
 
6:00 PM
I'm sure it works exactly as specified. Somewhere. In the metas.
 
Views only shows the questions, not the answers
 
yup
also, vlaz, it's possible one of your answers was upvoted into the "helpful" threshold
thus suddenly qualifying you for all the views on that question
going through your recent upvotes might help there
 
Just to clarify - when I say that I noticed the number "jumped" it's not from yesterday or from last week. I don't really monitor it - last I've seen it is maybe in December. But it's unusual for me to get 300k more views in just a couple of months.
And when it "jumped" from ~360k to ~700k - I can't really tell. I probably caught it few months after, as well. I can't remember seeing a ~400k or a ~500k but again - I hardly keep track.
 
Hi. If I've done a long discussion on a discuss.org type forum can I ask a question on SO by just briefly describing the problem and showing the link to the discussion so all can get the details?
 
Questions should be self-contained. The link can go down or be unreachable. You can add it as supplementary information, but the question should be understandable and answerable without it.
 
6:13 PM
Hmm, ok, thanks!
 
6:29 PM
@VLAZ Yeah, but it's empty enough that I can actually review things and have a good chance of editing instead of having to skip.
@HenryEcker Your effort is appreciated!
 
6:48 PM
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Q: Markdown rendering bug - different between preview and actual

Andrew MortonWhile answering Is there something wrong with common mark?, I seem to have discovered a bug in the rendering of markdown. **b.**&#8203;a should render as and indeed it does show that way in the preview window when the answer is being written. (And in the review window just before you post here o...

 
@VLAZ question merge, maybe? although they're pretty rare...
 
@VLAZ Did you answer a sufficiently popular question that has gotten 3 upvotes or whatever recently?
 
7:05 PM
Dunno. And "recently" might be two or more months back. Overall, the questions I end up answering barely get any views. Like my top answer is to a question with 83k views. Which is not a small amount but barely 8% of 1 million views. A lot of answers are on questions with <=1k views. At least from spot checking some.
 
7:26 PM
look through all of your 2 score answers that received an upvote recently and see if any have high views
that's only about 200 answers
 
7:41 PM
hmm. this blog comment looks like something directly from the announcement post on meta
> I think it’s great that Stack Overflow is evolving to support the learning and growth of the technical community. It’s often challenging to find the right resources when learning something new, and having everything in one place will make it much easier.
> The addition of online course recommendations from Udemy and Pluralsight is a fantastic step forward, as many in the community already turn to these platforms for online learning. I’m excited to see how Stack Overflow continues to support the growth and development of technologists in the future.
aka full of marketingspeak
 
Yes, it does sound like those fake reviews for boosting the rating of a product.
Also "technologists".
Only heard the CTO of my old company use the term. As far as anybody could tell, it didn't mean anything.
 
Never even heard of Pluralsight before this week
 
He was talking about needing to get not developers but "technologists". I think it's one of those buzz words like "fullstack".
 
> and having everything in one place will make it much easier.
that in particular makes me believe even more it came from stack
given it ties directly into collectives
it's the same pitch
 
@aynber We had a free month on the site from the MS/VS subscription at work. I enabled it and watched a few videos. But never really came back. Then somebody from their sales department started pestering me via email, whether I wanted to review the prpduct and look at the ways to continue using it. Not sure why they chose me - multiple people from my team had the Pluralsight trial enabled. Only I was getting the emails.
 
7:48 PM
I had a pluralsight person trying to reach me for weeks because someone at the company visited their linked in page
 
Eventually the sales person switched gears and started asking me to forward the emails to my supervisor.
 
there's like 2, maybe 3 people at the company that could even remotely benefit from their services for their job here
 
Mind you - I never replied to the emails. I just kept getting maybe 2 a week.
 
i eventually just replied "no" and it stopped
 
8:06 PM
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Q: I dont know why my question about nvidia driver dependency issues is not accepted by stack overflow guidelines

distroI'm having trouble understanding why my question does not meet guidelines("This question does not appear to be about programming within the scope defined in ..."). I asked for help on nvidia driver dependency problems.I explained the commands that I used to try to solve my problem, adn the error...

 
8:29 PM
sheesh
 
 
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10:04 PM
> We're trying to rebuild trust <Launches new ad and calls it a learning opportunity being added to stackoverflow>
 
I just can't get upset at these ads
Like we constantly have issues with people showing up trying to get generalized learning help here
it seems like a good thing for Stack Overflow to 1) redirect those people to help elsewhere, and 2) get paid to do it
 
i'm not against the ads
 
ahhh
I mean I have no idea what "our evolution from collective knowledge to collective learning" means
but I'm happy as long as it doesn't interfere with the knowledge (Q&A) mission
 
i'm against disinformation, spinning data to fit your sales needs, trying to fool people into thinking collectives is some kind of collaboration bringing people together, it's all BS and i'm sick of it. I'm not against them having revenue streams.
 
I think there is, like, a possible future for Collectives that could be that
It's certainly not where we are now
I don't think the current iteration is that interesting to me personally, especially given their tendency to vanish unexpectedly when they lose sponsorship (disclosure: my employer is both a past and current sponsor, though not on topics I have any personal relationship with)
 
10:18 PM
i'll never see the ads
 
I mean I don't think you or I are the target audience here
 
even if they never announced it i'd never see them, so that's not even the point, etc
right, it's the clueless users who can be fooled
that doesn't make it any better
 
I mean, if the courses are crap that's a separate problem
I have no idea if they are
but I do agree that SO shouldn't be, like, indiscriminately recommending garbage and calling it curated recommendations
 
If you have a thing that is clearly of value, you shouldn't need to pretend it is something else, just let it be the valuable thing that it is
 
are we talking about Collectives or the course ads here?
 
10:22 PM
either or, both,
just in general
 
I think for Collectives they're trying to sell people on the future vision
Which, like, might be a mistake given that it's currently not that
For the ads, I mean...well, it could probably be clearer that it's an ad, I guess, but it's otherwise not really pretending to be anything else. Except maybe in the announcement, but, meh, corporate announcements are always fluffy stuff about how it's an amazing thing that is part of a transformation
rather than like "this is an incremental thing that will probably connect a few people to stuff they would find useful but also make us money"
but assuming for the sake of argument that the courses don't suck, then telling people who would find them useful about them seems good
"It looks like you're trying to ask for learning resources on Stack Overflow. Considered these courses from our partners instead!" or whatever
but also if people's actual objection is that they're crap being foisted on people who don't know better, then framing the counterarguments around, like, "People don't come to Stack Overflow for this", "This muddies the actual purpose of the site", etc. doesn't really make sense
 
My responses were based on the way it was framed to us, rather than what it actually is
certainly a bit unfair, i'll admit
 
Yeah, my preference is to focus on the substance rather than the fluffy announcement. Also consider the different framings of the meta post targeted at us and the announcement targeted at the world.
Press releases always read like the latter, but when talking to the community, they called it what it was: "advertisements for technology courses"
 
that was an hour and a half later added by someone from the community
but fair
 
...ah, well, I did not notice that
But still, it's a lot less fluffy
 
10:37 PM
that was just a title change, it was pretty clear from the question that it was a new ad type
 
yeah
 
i actually felt it was a bit rude for someone other than a staff member to make that edit. Not rude toward me or the community, but to staff
 
@RyanM FWIW, I agree with you. It's relevant enough to the topic that someone might find it useful/be directed to the right place. But especially because it's a monetisation avenue that will not affect the sites usability. Collectives are significantly more disruptive than these ads are.
 
Yep, exactly
It's basically "we're making our ads potentially more relevant with a couple flagship partners"
 
In general, I'm not sure why that was so poorly received. I understand things like Articles and Collectives which can feel like they're changing the core fundamental of the site (the Q&A). But like... adding relevant advertisements in/near the existing advertisement slots seems... reasonable?
 
10:48 PM
i can only assume it's the same reason i had to downvote it, :shrug: not sure why else anyone would be against it unless they're just adamantly anti-stack making money
because, just as with the collectives announcement failing to call it them sponsorships, they didn't call these ads, they called them recommendations
once the ball is rolling it's hard to stop it
gotta start getting the messaging right out of the gate
I'm not sure how effective the focus on "Our data shows that people want X" is
 

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