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Q: Make the editor hint users to add code fences when a curly brace in paragraph text leads into a code block

userFor curly-brace languages, it's not too difficult to find posts that are missing code fences with a high true-positive rate: Just find posts where paragraph text ends with an opening curly brace and leads into a code block (typically, four spaces in the markdown editor). These can also be retroac...

 
 
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5:15 AM
@RyanM That line earned my upvote.
Reminder: the site design supports dark mode ;) "If you add the theme-dark class to the body HTML, you will see Sound.SE in dark mode" — Andrew T. Dec 14, 2022 at 18:32
Is that not true for virtually all SE sites? Anything that's based on Stacks will turn dark when you set the theme-dark class.
 
stackoverflow.com/a/48111364/523612 Look at the comments on this answer, then look at the vote totals. (the second downvote is mine, after editing and commenting)
 
Are you proving that your viewpoints tend not to be held by the majority?
 
the voting culture on site is absolutely absurd. In the stats discussed previously, upvotes/downvotes routinely split in the neighbourhood of 90/10 to 95/5, while the "feedback" (upvote/downvote clicks from people not logged in or without privs) are 60/40.
You'd think the regular users of a site who are working together to build a library of detailed, high-quality answers should be the harshest critics, but instead it is by far the other way around.
On top of that there is the 5:1 reputation ratio for upvotes/downvotes. And people still complain about all the negativity and downvoting.
 
5:39 AM
The reputation disparity between upvote and downvote privileges is certainly a contributing factor. Anonymous voters can press either button (up or down) freely. Registered users either are aware they do not yet have the privilege or choose not to vote a certain way after receiving the "you don't have enough reputation to do so" message when voting.
There are significantly more users who are able to upvote than are able to downvote. Which I do think is an issue, but I don't think you can draw a conclusion that registered users are less critical than anonymous users when registered users cannot vote equally up and down.
 
I believe that the reason for the discrepancy is that anonymous users are primarily voting "this worked for me" vs. "this didn't work for me", whereas registered users have all of this mythology surrounding up/downvotes.
If that mythology could be further stamped out, and the voting experience made even more frictionless, then I suspect we'd have a much healthier voting culture.
 
yes, there's also that factor
someone in the, what was it, 15 to 125 reputation range? would add updoots to the vote total, and downboats to the feedback total, IIUC
is there a way to check the cumulative effect of my own downvoting on my rep score? Not that I care about rep (I don't and have said it repeatedly) but for the purpose of explaining things to other people about the Stack Overflow culture I think it would be cool to show them that I apply that kind of drag to myself and shrug it off
@HenryEcker It's striking that I knew what this was about just from seeing it in the sidebar.
 
@KarlKnechtel That is correct. But that is considered "registered feedback" and that is a very small subset of total "feedback" Anonymous Feedback 40.3m (60.06%) up / 26.8m (39.94%) down Registered Feedback 850.2k (88.03%) up / 115.6k (11.97%) down
 
aha
are there that few users in that reputation range casting votes o_O
also, updoots from 0-15 rep users would be positive registered feedback, then?
 
Surprisingly, I can't find anything about MSO or MSE about calculating what your rep would be without considering loss from downvotes. However, you can do it by going to stackoverflow.com/reputation and removing all of the "-1" events.
 
5:55 AM
@KarlKnechtel I think so. It looks like there's only about 962,773 in that range who have cast a vote. (Obviously I can't see who's cast anonymous downvotes)
 
Yes, that's correct.
 
But, very few users vote. There's only 1,891,188 users who have ever cast an upvote or downvote (in SEDE) despite the total users being over 19 million. Very few users can vote there are only ~2 million users who have 15 or more reputation.
@CodyGray You'd also have to compensate for the +1 restored on deletion.
 
@HenryEcker Very true. I mean, even among users with full up/downvoting privileges who do vote, they don't vote all that much. This is the vote history for active SO moderators for the past month. Some are active voters; others aren't.
 
6:09 AM
I guess something else to consider is removal of downvoted content. A significantly higher portion of my downvotes are on content that has since been removed than my downvotes on live content. In raw stats I downvote significantly more than I upvote, but in terms of "active rating" (votes that are a persistent rating of live content) I upvote significantly more than I downvote.
I still think the core issues are that downvoting answers costs 1 reputation and that it requires 110 more reputation to downvote than to upvote.
 
The mod voting stats show such votes, I believe.
But, yes, agreed.
 
@HenryEcker then, a fairly high fraction of those entitled to vote have done so.
 
@CodyGray I believe partially true. Most sites have a default theme-dark class that most of the time isn't adjusted, rendering them borderline unusable.
theme-dark on Android.SE:
theme-dark on Anime.SE:
 
Could we add saved my life to the auto-thanks-comment-remover patterns?
 
@AndrewT. Haha, I see. Well, that'd look pretty fine if you went ahead and disabled that stupid sidebar. :-)
 
6:13 AM
and life-saver
 
@KarlKnechtel Wouldn't you know, that was just recently proposed on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/q/386115
 
@AndrewT. It does look a little better if you remove unified-theme and just keep theme-dark Does not help anime.se though.
 
@CodyGray Fair ;p while on Sound.SE, the background is even separated for Light (dark grey) and Dark (light grey)
 
Also, wow, you have that "Companies" nonsense on Android.SE?
 
yeah, due to this...
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Q: Jobs on Technical Stack Exchange sites

Puneet MulchandaniNext Thursday, 18 June 2020, we’ll be making three changes to technical Stack Exchange sites that make it easier to find relevant job opportunities. Stack Overflow Jobs has opportunities for all technologists, and therefore it only makes sense to show these opportunities directly to the wide arra...

 
6:18 AM
Except we don't have Jobs anymore...
 
@HenryEcker yeah, I did experiment with those classes and concluded that it's not that simple to have a working SE-native Dark mode :p
 
That's what the developers have been saying. You hope it's not that trivially simple.
 
The site specific themes are, in fact, distinct enough that you can't just add a class to it and have it look okay.
 
6:36 AM
re the "long tail of crap" problem generally, can we flag stuff that takes the approach from the accepted answer and, like, does a bit of refactoring, or shows how to integrate it with other code that solves an unrelated problem?
because there are a lot of those on e.g. stackoverflow.com/questions/12943819/…
 
No.
 
 
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11:00 AM
> I needed this code to secure my data. I needed to fast as possible and no one want help me with this. You guys are just evil. For devoting my post.
Note to self: don't devote one's self to a post. Not worth losing your morality over it.
 
11:25 AM
interesting to see "devote" apparently intended as the opposite of "vote"
 
11:47 AM
Apparently i.stack.imgur.com/QpKeS.png is what the question "wizard" looks like?
I should actually try it out and experience the cringe for myself.
 
@KarlKnechtel Yeah, I try to avoid it. I only took that screenshot as it would have been useful for others to see it. For the record - if you go to the "Ask Question" page, there is a toggle whether you see the wizard or not in the top right. I enabled it for the screenshot and disabled it afterwards.
To be clear, though - the wizard by itself isn't that bad. The problem is 1. The new post editor it uses, which I find atrocious. 2. That many people just post whatever in both boxes. Like pasting the same sentence in both of them (usually same as the title) or otherwise not adding any useful information.
There is nothing really to check if they add useful information. Nor can it easily be added to check if the information they've added indeed matches the intent of the box. However, come on, it should be able to detect some of the most egregious things users have put there. Like text that repeats in both cases. Or literally the only text in one box being //////////////////////////
Doesn't need to check for everything. But I'm not convinced any checks are made right now for post quality.
 
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Q: Chrome-User agent comments using react

Michael36 <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8" /> </head> <body> <h2>Add React in One Minute</h2> <div id="root"></div> <script src="https://unpkg.com/react@18/umd/react.development.js" crossorigin></script> <script src="https:/...

 
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1:31 PM
How could I have phrased all these comments better to make my point more clear?
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19702543/play-a-video-without-a-file-on-disk-java/75258237?noredirect=1#comment132801247_75258237
 
2:18 PM
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Q: Why has this suggest-edit been rejected, but the propsed changes were mostly applied?

A-TechThis suggest-edit has been rejected. However, most changes proposed have been applied to the post. Suggest edit Suggest edit comment: Added missing tag*; Added text for the symbols ?: to make the question easier to find; Shortend question & title Actual edit Actual edit comment: Added key wor...

 
2:51 PM
@VLAZ I think the wizard actually is "that bad", in that it encourages those behaviours in the "UI affordances" sense.
@JamesRisner what you said seems perfectly clear, and the message seems to have gotten across fine. The other guy is just frustrated.
 
3:50 PM
@KarlKnechtel try it at least once
it's comical
even with the old ask qeustion form, i hate the review question button being the only button
I review my question up front, when i click the submit button i expect it to submit, not give me the same damn form with the same content
The new one does that, on a whole new level
 
agreed, it's bizarre UX. it should submit if there is nothing wrong, and pop something up if "the automated system" did "find a problem"
 
you can't enter the review stage until you've confirmed that this terrible list of possible duplicates doesn't contain a duplicate, and you can't get to the terrible list of possible duplicates until you've filled in both text boxes above it, you can't access the tags menu till both of those are done, and if you decide to revise anything before clicking review, you have to enter the tags input again to activate the submit button
THEN you get the same form, with the first two textareas combined
it's madness
 
4:06 PM
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Q: Pandas xlsxwriter - Specified datetime format not applying to Excel worksheet

AntI have the below dataframe df.head() | | date-time | qty | |-----|------------------------------|------| | 0 | 2021-07-20 13:43:44.915200 | 503 | | 1 | 2021-07-22 08:22:56.037200 | 33 | | 2 | 2021-08-18 19:34:56.142200 | 104 | | 4 | 2021-09-26 14:07:21....

 
4:20 PM
@KarlKnechtel I'm OK with having the different boxes. It's supposed to be to give more structure to the post. What I find a problem is that it doesn't. Since it allows pretty basic things that are wrong to be added in the boxes. Thus it doesn't even try to enforce the structure. It just enforces people put two paragraphs in. But that's not really what makes a question.
It's like an alien trying to shoot a movie. It knows there needs to be dialogue, some characters, etc. But doesn't know what is meaningful for those. And you get The Room. The wizard, by not at all trying to check for whatever, leads to The Room of posts.
 
What I think is wrong with it, primarily, is that it is not interactive.
it should prompt you first to answer the first question, without there being a second box. Then it should pop up the second box. The title should come last in this process, of course. Then it should stitch the result together and dump it back into the normal posting form
also, it should at various points in the process ask multiple-choice questions (e.g. "is this question about code that already exists, or about code that needs to be written?" "Is this question about your own project or about someone else's?", and tailor the ensuing workflow to the answers
When something in a UI is called a wizard, that is the expectation for how it acts. Set by Microsoft in the 90s.
 
4:38 PM
today in things 10+ year users do: FGITW more slowly than the rest, due to putting in the effort to find the canonical and link it in the answer
and describe it as "more commentary"
Incidentally, we're talking about one of the 800k+ view, 800+ linked canonicals
 
@KarlKnechtel You're right. This is more of a wizzard.
 
4:56 PM
How should I handle editing an answer that says "as explained in this other answer, X is not supported; here's a different workaround", given that a) X became supported later; b) the other answer was edited to explain that (while also showing the old workaround)?
 
:shrug:
seems like it's an obsolete answer
would editing it produce valuable content, if the important information already exists elsewhere
 
I got all the way through a general style edit before it occurred to me "hey wait, the fact that X is now supported actually impacts this answer" :/
I guess I'll just abandon the rest of the effort
 
I have such an answer, the author of the other answer simply gave a shout out to mine, both coexist just fine
 
@KarlKnechtel Versioned answer.
But until then, maybe just edit it to say something like "Before version 666 you couldn't do X. Here is a workaround that works for versions before that."
 
the thing is, it isn't a version; it's a date, referring to a service (PyPI)
(the question is about technical details of communicating with the API, so I don't have an issue with topicality)
 
5:05 PM
"Here is a version that worked before the 32nd of Smarch 20XX"
 
> This answer is no longer relevant due to updates to the PyPI API
(as a comment)
seems a bit wrong to edit effectively, "this answer is obsolete," into the answer itself
 
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Q: What has happened to question #411290?

trejderThere's this question at Stack Exchange and an answer to it. First comment under this answer points to the following question: Why do people think functional programming will catch on? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/411290 When I'm trying to open this question, I am getting 404: Why is that...

 
6:14 PM
i wonder just how low these review task numbers will get before something is done about the system overall
 
No thanks, don't want to die today
 
their only other answer isn't as... obvious garbage, but is 100% irrelevant to the question asked
 
@JamesRisner My darling?
 
Sadly it’s an answer right? So NAA is invalid.?
 
6:19 PM
right
we don't have a very low quality flag anymore
best we can do is downvote and del vote
 
@KevinB Roger. Went from 0 to -9 in 45 seconds it seems
 
the spellcheck between my brain and my fingers keeps getting it wrong
 
@JamesRisner I won't be surprised if it was reported by smokey.
Might have even racked R/A flags.
 
Cake or death?
 
Nope, doesn't seem Smokey reported it.
 
6:22 PM
Looks like Natty caught it or got reported to natty
 
Natty caught it, yeah. Wasn't reported.
 
 
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Q: Option to not close question on close vote - duplicate

ControlAltDel(A little similar to this question on Meta: Directly vote to not close a question) Unless this has recently changed, it only takes one "close - duplicate" vote from someone with a gold medal award in one of the question topics to close the question. There are times I want to close a (for instance...

 
@VLAZ 5 of them, in fact.
@NewPosts there's definitely a dupe for this wait never mind I found it
I knew it was something about Mjolnir...
 
 
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Q: How can log out from Stack Overflow session?

Farid Habitapls. help Me to log out from Stack Overflow session. I need that action what can I do? if I click on the right icon?

 
 
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Q: My old question is becoming popular and helpful. Wonderful! Can you tell me why?

templatetypedefIn June 2020 I wrote a self-answered question about the zip tree data structure. After largely sitting quietly, today it’s gotten 14 upvotes on the answer and 5 votes on the question, and it’s attracted about 3k more views. I’m glad to hear that folks are finding the information there useful. How...

 

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