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12:10 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm not sure I would describe it as the "right" thing. They just don't have a choice: if they're going to allow some statements and disallow others, they have to deal with it on a case-by-case basis, because there's no way of defining a clear policy. Other than the general policy of "abiding by the CoC, and not offending people", but clearly people's interpretation of that, and what they get offended by when it comes to politics, vary widely.
 
well, yeah, I meant that should they define a clear policy, that's going to cause a lot of unnecessary drama. While right now we get a couple outliers per year
ofc, when agendas are concerned, even the clearest of policy will be interpreted depending on what serves the political preference of the person interpreting
 
Ah, so break up the drama into multiple smaller manageable pieces? :) Yeah, that's the safest approach, for sure.
 
pretty much so :) I just feel like playing very safe is the lesser evil here.
 
12:34 AM
i guess, another way to look at it is, there's a large number of people on SO who've found ways to express support for Ukraine and against Russia in a way that doesn't seem to be offending anyone, and then there's this instance. I'm not saying SE should force the issue, more, i'd expect the mod to just... change to something less controversial that presents the same message.
done and done
tis their choice whether or not to do so,
maybe it causing this kind of publicity is exactly what they want
 
@KevinB well, yeah, apart from those who don't accept any political statement anywhere at all :) I guess it's impossible to please everyone when it comes to politics. But the username change in question is, indeed, a bit provocative. IDK if that's intentional or not, though
 
as an example, when i stepped away from SO, i simply anonymized. i didn't intend to draw any attention to the fact that i was leaving over what was going on, rather, i simply didn't feel it worthy to hold my name anymore
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine the question remains, which kind of drama we dislike the least: complaints about the presence of statements, about them being forbidden, or about the application being "inconsistent". Seems like a no-win scenario - there's bound to be periodic drama either way
 
i could have instead changed my name to something more... controversial, it would have presented a message for me, but, that wasn't... important at the time
 
methinks it depends on the end goal of the user - whether they feel like they need to send a message or not
 
 
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Q: Give back the ability to indicate that a suggested edit is not helpful when improving

Sonic the Anonymous HedgehogPrior to 2014, the ways by which a reviewer of a suggested edit could apply another edit when reviewing were different. The "Reject and Edit" option didn't exist, and the only option was to "Improve". This would allow the reviewer to apply more edits on top of the suggestion, as the "Improve Edit"...

 
 
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Q: Change the [memory-barriers] [memory-order] synonym situation so questions about C++ std::memory_order can be tagged memory-order, not barriers

Peter CordesThis has been bothering me for a while, but to take a recent example, a question like What are the optimal std::memory_orders for this scenario of a coroutine waiting on an event? is about what std::memory_order should be used with the load, store, and RMW operations. But despite this, the [tag:m...

 
 
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Q: reversal -110 Voting corrected, but only 105 was on a day

AsperiSuddenly (couple of days ago) I've started to receive these "reversal -XXX Voting corrected" EVERY DAY, even with low reputation grows. And it shows sometimes different values like first page open -110 then after a while -30. Taking into account that after 2+ years of account existence it starts ...

 
> I've started to receive these "reversal -XXX Voting corrected" EVERY DAY
And today is the second of these days. It's literally yesterday and today.
Also I don't get the title. The voting corrections are a -40 and -30, for a total of -70 over two days. A drop in the bucket for 200k rep. Yesterday, the user received a sum total of 105 rep: that's 145 positive with a -40 from voting reversal. Where is that -110 coming from? And why bring up "105 was on a day"?
> And it shows sometimes different values like first page open -110 then after a while -30.
Ah, wait that's the bug SE refuse cannot replicate for some reason, which happened after they redid the profile page. When you first look at new reputation changes, it gives you random numbers. They turn into the relevant numbers, if it's not the rep changes aren't new.
 
9:42 AM
@VLAZ I think they checked the achievement inbox, and that the events somehow lined up in such a way that it showed misleading numbers
But /shrug. Left a comment to that effect, and added the actual reason
 
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10:10 AM
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Q: Will a question having too less upvotes be optimized for SEO?

Abhishek MittalMy question and my own answer on this post : Converting RTF Files to DOCX and PDF Files on Python-Django and linux server This can literally be helpful to so many people out there but as this didn't got much attention it lacks upvotes. So would anyone searching for this will still find it conside...

 
 
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12:32 PM
Hello sorry to bother you all. I was just about to ask a question about killing the tag but apparently i already did years ago. meta.stackoverflow.com/q/394015/1841839 Any way to revive this disgussion?
I cant go though 1100 questions tagged with that one at a time and retag them. Well i could but i would probably loose what is left of my mind.
 
@DaImTo you basicaly just did :) Do drop by the Burnination HQ for tag requests, we are trying to streamline the handling of burnination, synonym, retag, disambiguation, and creation requests. If you want the tag to be gone, you might want to convert the post into a (especially since we have proper tags), and sooner or later it will get into that process (although there is a bit of a backlog right now)
a step-by-step guide to what happens during burnination
basically, you just need to add the tag and answer the 4 preliminary questions, the rest will be done by the community at large
 
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Q: Should this specific mysqli page be rehammered, merged, or something else?

mickmackusaToday I hammered closed an exact duplicate -- I mean the question requirements are the same. The dupe target was asked in 2012. @Dharman posted an answer before I hammered. I happened to return to the page later in the same day to find that @YourCommonSense had unhammered the exact duplicate ques...

posted on August 19, 2022 by Ahmed Raza

I have been getting very bad repos on my questions. It seems like there is no one to understand my question or maybe guiding me for it. So I felt better to quit it. Thanks a lot dear community.

 
12:50 PM
A Boeing, eh? For non-10k users reference, it was self-deleted.
 
preceded by one-boxing their post in BSOR for some reason
 
It wasn't preceeded. Feeds breaks if the post is deleted before it's posted in chat.
 
Than you thats an amazing project.
 
1:09 PM
@DaImTo if the company can't give us proper tools to painlessly handle these things, we'll do it ourselves :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine And do it painfully.
 
1:31 PM
@VLAZ pain is the essence of progress
 
@RyanM that's the user's choice tho
and why redactions would need to be available for mods to apply
 
1:54 PM
@NewPosts I see one recent undeleted question, and then the previous one two years ago
and that question appears to be basically "here's the text of a database homework assignment (or at least, a specification written in that particular style), please design a database for me"
...which is kind of strange for a 6-year user of the site who claims "I'm a Game Developer, working in CryENGINE by Crytek"
@OlegValteriswithUkraine what's BSOR?
 
@KarlKnechtel Bad Stack Overflow Reviews :)
* room for reporting and handling bad reviews
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah, I get what you mean now. For some reason it didn't click initially. I guess the user left a bad review for Stack Overflow.
 
2:27 PM
hmm
 
2:46 PM
@VLAZ xD
 
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Q: What is the void* used in this function?

Yanbo LiuI am new to C and try to study it by reading some other people's code. These are some fractions of some people's code: I know this pair of code makes a stack to store the one character every time the program call the Macro PUT. But I just don't understand how the program changes the content of th...

 
 
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posted on August 19, 2022 by Ahmed Raza

I am working on a project where I'm fetching data from database and calling it in a table and also creating a dynamic button in each row to echo the row[index] but confused on how can I get it? Here is my code:- <table id="DateSheet" class="table"> <tr> <th>Sr. #</th> <th>Examination</th> <th>Course Code<

 
@NewPosts glad to see that they decided to give SO another try and post another coding question...on MSO.
 
(they are question-banned on main)
 
color me unsurprized :)
 
6:16 PM
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Q: Is a question asking for good ways to do something really opinion-based?

Scott SauyetAfter several questions were deservedly closed when the poster couldn't act within the normal community guidelines, I asked a question which I thought should be better-received and which addressed what I thought of as the interesting core of those deleted questions. I asked for "useful ways" to d...

 
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Q: Flags for wrong and highly upvoted answers

polkovnikov.phMeta already had a discussion on this here, with a wide range of solutions. Unfortunately, it was a discussion, so 8 years later we still have a horribly wrong outdated answer and not-an-answer as two top answers here, and almost two pages of wrong answers here. Upvotes there are still ticking. M...

 
7:33 PM
@NewPosts The things people come up with instead of advocating for more downvotes.
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger What we need is some sort of flag that could lower a post's score if it's incorrect. Eventually, if the post receives enough of these flags relative to the number of upvotes, perhaps there could be some sort of "negative" indicator next to the post's score, and maybe make it eligible for deletion.
 
We still have the issue of requisite expertise to evaluate those types of flags. (whichever queue evaluates them)
 
@HenryEcker I'm afraid my sarcasm may not have come through: I was describing downvotes.
 
7:48 PM
It sounds good in theory, but is it actually reasonable to hope that an answer which is currently at, say, 100 score, will ever become negatively scored? I'd be quite interested to see a SEDE query, or something like that, showing how often this has ever happened.
 
@RyanM I was actually just responding to the post in general... which probably would've been more clear if I had just responded to the news feed.
I'm not sure I really understand how a +100 answer becomes so wrong it should be deleted.
Even if it's no longer the "best answer" it may have been at one time and may still be useful for those supporting legacy technologies no?
 
Sure, I'm not claiming such answers should be deleted. I'm just saying that the usual response to a user complaining about highly upvoted incorrect answers is that downvoting it is a viable solution, as it could end up becoming eligible for deletion. It's not, as far as I can tell, a remotely viable solution. Downvoting such answers is, optimistically, a fart in the wind.
 
Ah okay. I was still on the meta post which seems to be advocating allowing flagging for removal for these posts (unless I've misunderstood).
I mean that's supposedly what trending sort is supposed to address, by putting more recently "useful" answers towards the top which theoretically helps to grow the scores of newer answers.
 
No, I was more responding to E_net4 and Ryan's chat messages. Unless I misunderstood those messages, they're suggesting that downvoting is a viable option. And I'm not at all sure it is.
 
Personally I think the core issue with voting asymmetry is the rep requirement on downvotes being so much more than upvotes as well as the rep cost of -1 instead of 0...
I also think it would really help to include anonymous feedback somehow in score.
 
7:59 PM
Yeah, voting parity would help a lot, and if that were implemented it's possible downvoting would become viable in such cases.
@HenryEcker What do you mean exactly by that? I'm not sure what you're referring to.
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger oh noes but what about my precious 1 rep?
 
@cigien Like this post as an example has 1111 anonymous upvotes and 2217 anonymous downvotes. That would mean this post has a total score (combining the +111/-0 "real" votes with the anonymous votes) of -995. Now that's an extreme example, but is definitely something that is informative about the actual reception of the post.
 
@HenryEcker Ah, the anonymous "unregistered feedback". Yeah, that does sounds like it would be helpful to include.
 
Those numbers also included registered users without enough reputation to actually cast the vote. But yeah, imo putting that somewhere visible for users with some reputation level would give good information about the actual reception of the post (in a way that score does not).
It would be even more useful if some options could be provided based on that feedback. Like negative scoring posts (when anonymous & low-rep feedback is included) can allow some actions to somehow indicate it as outdated or allow delete votes with a higher cap or something else entirely.
 
8:17 PM
@cigien I agree that downvoting answers, as currently implemented, is largely ineffective. Trending helps. But, for instance, this answer is just...wrong.
It has 11 downvotes
and this +56 comment pointing out why it's wrong:
you only need these two lines: list.remove(position); mAdapter.notifyItemRemoved(position); — feisal Mar 10, 2016 at 20:00
The extra removeViewAt is completely unsupported, undefined behavior (source: I am the current maintainer of that library, and IIRC the original author sighed when this answer was shown to him)
and the notifyItemRangeChanged is, at best, just unnecessary work, though it could also result in unnecessary animations.
but it has 402 upvotes because I guess it usually works? mostly?
I'm really tempted to edit a warning or something into it.
All I know is that if that ever breaks anything and someone files a bug, it's getting closed as by design, because you're not supposed to do that.
I guess I could also edit a warning saying not to do that into the documentation...
 
heh
modify the docs to state that method is wrong, then use that to support saying the answer is wrong in the comments
> see, it's wrong because i said so the docs says it is
 
 
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