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Q: Let's get to the [bottom] of this tag

cocomacSo... we have a bottom tag on SO. I propose we get rid of it. Criteria for burnination: Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? And is it unambiguous? No, certainly not. There are tons of possible uses for "bottom". I guess it means the bottom of something, but tha...

 
 
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4:32 AM
> I'm not an expert on bottoms
We should consult with SirMixaLot
 
5:02 AM
@NewPosts wut? wut??
 
5:32 AM
It's normal to be covered in poo if your job is to scavenge cesspools; just wear protection and wash your hands. And don't ever feed the regex questions after midnight. — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 7 hours ago
 
 
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7:20 AM
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Q: What does that mean? "Closed. This question needs debugging details. It is not currently accepting answers. "

Kevlar I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: Placing 3 pictures under big picture Hi, sorry my english is not so good. I asked a question and got this message "Closed. This question needs debugging details. It is not currently accepting answers." When I clicked on debugging details I can no...

 
7:32 AM
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Q: How is Stack Overflow getting my Gmail profile picture?

Prakhar SinghI am creating an application where I want to display user's Gmail profile picture after they log in using Gmail account. How should I do it?

 
@NewPosts Nope!! That's not a Meta question. Come on, read the questions.
 
@NewPosts wow, that's a question in a superposition
 
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Q: Do we need [effective-c++]?

Dalija PrasnikarThere is effective-c++ tag. Currently it has 80 questions. Its tag info states: Tag for implementing and understanding guidelines and recommendations in any of the books "Effective C++: 50 Specific Ways to Improve Your Programs and Designs", "More Effective C++: 35 New Ways to Improve Your Progr...

 
Sigh.
 
Maybe a slight rename is in order?
 
dunno, maybe [effective-c++-book]? Do we even have a problem with mistags with it?
 
@KevinB Blatant bias issues like this should be brought up as Meta posts, in my opinion. Criticizing the companies they decide to partner with is not really useful, but pointing out missing disclaimers is a valid complaint that they really should address.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I don't think so.
 
@CodyGray then we don't have a problem that needs handling, I presume, and tag efforts are better spent elsewhere
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine "another comment", you say? Yeah, they never end.
 
Oh, I slept through that
It's an interesting notion of improving
 
7:53 AM
It's not the first time he's made the exact same argument.
I'm actually in his camp on edits that would count as major surgery, as long as you can justify them as salvaging a question that would otherwise have to be closed or deleted.
And he knows that, but he still argues this ridiculous point.
 
@CodyGray isn't what they always do? :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Not that I can recall... I've never really seen anyone address it either way, either endorsing comments to accompany upvotes or dismissing it as a ridiculous counter-argument.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine It's good to have a schtick, I guess. :-)
 
@CodyGray I think yesterday was the first time someone actually did not just drop that
 
@RyanM Where??!
Oh, I see. On the page you can only get to after clicking the "Edit" button. Because why would the UI make sense?
Haha, Chrome goes brrrr
 
@CodyGray well, ain't this just common sense? If an edit improves the post by salvaging what can be salvaged then it's a good edit?
 
7:57 AM
No, not everyone thinks so. They have ridiculous rules for edits.
 
@CodyGray Also the edit permissions button brings up a dialog with a suspiciously unending loading indicator.
 
I don't think it's a Chrome problem.
 
I have not taken the 30 seconds to check if there are any failing requests.
 
Something is clearly failing.
 
7:59 AM
@CodyGray it looks like a suspiciously long-running blocking JS is there
anything in devtools, btw? I am kind of curious
 
I killed the tab
 
I wish we could kill the "feature" just as easily
 
At some level, I'm content with devs occupying their time with this stuff that nobody cares about or uses
It means they're not breaking stuff that we actually do care about and use
 
unfortunately, we get the worst of both worlds :)
 
8:31 AM
@CodyGray Is it different from the Articles on Teams? (that is, will it also go brrr?)
ugh, no editable articles...
 
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Q: Why did the font change?

Tamás SengelI'm using Brave on macOS and just noticed that the sitewide font changed to something else. Previously, it used the system font which looked fine.

 
I have no idea. I've never once looked at an Article on a Team.
 
@CodyGray are they available on the mod Team? I think they are only available on the Business tier otherwise
 
Yeah, they're there; I just checked.
There are two. One is the Mutual NDA for the Moderator Council (which was actually posted by a staff member), and the other is a "How to create an article!" article admittedly created merely for testing by someone who was a mod at the time.
Haha, I remember that one now. That was hilarious.
So... someone added the SO mods group to the article as one of the groups with editing permissions.
And, it turns out that creating feedback on an article pings everyone who has editing permissions on that article.
So when people submitted feedback on the article, I pinged all of the SO mods.
> I'm now annoyed, and even more annoyed that there is no downvote button to express my annoyance. Seriously, this is useless. –Cody Gray
 
...now I wonder if I pinged the Google Cloud admins by editing a typo out of their Article.
Who knows?! Surely not me.
 
8:46 AM
The 5 of them, only one of which ever uses the site?
 
Fortunately, we are virtually never called on to deal with Articles, largely, I expect, on account of there being like 20 of them, total.
...yeah, that's fair, that's not actually that many people.
 
The real trick would be pinging all 22199 members of the Google Cloud Collective.
Which you can probably now do by creating a Bulletin.
 
I am wondering if they did strap on inbox notifications for Bulletins. If that is the case, I know which button I am pressing next.
 
The "Joined" button? :-)
(I kid you not.)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine well, Mod Teams is using the Business tier (why not, it's SE's own Teams). It's also a testing ground for some new Teams features ._.
 
8:53 AM
@CodyGray yes, this exact one :)
@AndrewT. well, apparently SOBotics didn't get one, for example. Interesting, didn't know the mod Teams instance is not the Business tier!
 
He... said the opposite of that?
Charcoal and SOBotics are both Basic Teams
 
I think I typo'ed the comma, should be a rhetorical question mark "why not?" ...
 
Decked out in Uggs and everything
 
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Q: Limit on maximum points for a post?

TintinThere was a time in stack-overflow, from 2008 to 2012 when even the most simplistic questions, and correspondingly (or not) comparatively simplistic answers, gained too much popularity & upvotes too fast. I am not inherently against the upvotes for a great question and a great answer, but I thin...

 
9:19 AM
@NewPosts yawn
 
10:11 AM
@NewPosts Because there is a limit on just how helpful a post can be, right?
 
I can relate to the frustration of posting an RTFM question 10 years ago and sliding to Nk+ rep on that alone, but that's just a symptom of the larger problem with reputation system and not the cause.
 
An out of context comment from me, a couple of hours ago in the mod chat: "Every thread you pull at eventually goes back to the same rotten thing: reputation."
(We were talking about why questions older than 60 days cannot be migrated to other sites, even by mods, which is an arbitrary time period related to reputation.)
 
> same rotten thing: reputation
Agreed.
 
Incidentally: it's been broken and nonsensical for a long time, way more than most people even realize.
 
@CodyGray of course it is. But haven't you heard? Everything is awesome.
 
10:20 AM
Dissociate rep with any site privileges and it's probably not going to be as bad.
 
@VLAZ no, no, no, that's going to lead to a complete collapse of privileges, haven't you heard?
 
You said it's going to lead to a complete meltdown with loads of whining? Yup.
 
10:41 AM
And the great battle was waged that day. And many fell. And it looked marvelous.
 
You're staging a great battle in SOCVR as we speak :-)
 
Eh... am I? Did I miss something?
 
Oh, you're getting pinged.
 
Welp, that meta post is almost literally us, who have gone through moderation fatigues, perhaps many times. It's not a crap at all...
 
10:50 AM
Hmm, I find most responders to be quite active curators there, not sure what this is about
 
But then, I can't find any more interesting questions that I can still answer within my current knowledge (inferiority complex?)
 
Meh, it's just hard in general. I answer 1 or 2 times a month these days, often on years old posts that at least have something interesting going on. Old unanswered posts with 2+ score works quite well for me as a heuristic
 
(that said, apologize if I dragged the convo to here, because I rather not interacting with a certain user :)
 
I think it's specifically about the asker of the Meta question
I don't know why that's being fixated upon, though.
We were already talking about that, Andrew :-)
 
yep, nothing new, keep meta-ing and move on :)
 
11:08 AM
Just be careful: that's how my grandfather died. He went meta too hard.
 
Was he bopping on Meta?
 
Very unfortunate meta-bopping accident.
 
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Q: Failed audit with Looks OK for good a answer

Mario PetrovicI was reviewing Low quality posts and i have chosen option "Looks OK". Here is the review in question: https://stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/31877496 This was an audit for my review and it failed In the Answer(s) and Question tabs section I only had Question tab and Answer tab with ...

 
^ is there a canonical for those, btw? It's another one where user was destroyed as a spammer and a non-spam post of theirs is used for an audit.
 
"non-spam"... No, that one contained the spam (flowerbrackets.com)
 
11:23 AM
The last link is an attempt to advertise/promote a website. Not something that is particularly easy to spot. I vaguely remember that the user had made several "good looking" answers with such links. — Larnu 1 min ago
Yeah, I missed the last link. I thought I checked and both were Oracle links.
 
I think last time I could still see deleted posts if they are audits. It seems now I can't... or I just forgot how it supposed to work
 
Still, it's very subtle. Without a user to tie it with, I'm not sure I'd have even concluded it was spam. I would have suspected but it's hard to confirm it's spam.
 
@AndrewT. You should be able to see them in the review task, but not on the site proper.
@VLAZ Absolutely agreed.
You either need to know the user or you need to recognize we've gotten a number of links to that site before.
 
This is what I see now... :/
 
11:32 AM
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Q: ReactJS website deployed on Github and Custom Domain not working Failed to load resources

ispasDaniso I have this problem. I coded my portofolio website and I have used Github to deploy it. The website was made with ReactJS so I had to set it up with gh-pages. After I upload it to Github and set it up for gh-pages, everything was working perfectly. i could acces my website through the generate...

 
@NewPosts possibly between the threshold border of the ban
 
@AndrewT. Added a screenshot to the post
 
@NewPosts Yes, question-banned.
 
@VLAZ thanks, appreciated
 
@AndrewT. Weird. I guess they're hiding it because it was nuked as spam? Although... they shouldn't do that. Are you still seeing that now, even after refreshing? I've disputed the red flags and merely deleted it.
 
11:35 AM
@CodyGray yep, still the same...
 
No idea.
 
¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
Another Boeing A380
 
That's... not a thing
 
it... took a second to sink in :)
 
12:26 PM
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Q: Why I can't mark answer as accepted

Vad SimWhen I tried to accept an answer, I got: You can accept an answer in 12 minutes Why it's happening?

 
 
@NewPosts Shockingly, they were not bullied into trying to accept that answer.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I still don't get it.
 
@CodyGray don't worry, neither do I, but it took a while for the fact that there is no such thing as Boeing A380 to sink in :)
 
1:08 PM
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Q: How can I merge two stack exchange accounts and choose which account is kept?

Johannes PertlI followed the instructions for merging accounts here, but after verifying the merge via both emails, I only get one option of the merge order. How can I merge my other account into this one, and not the other way around?

 
 
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2:39 PM
@CodyGray One one of the "I'm leaving the site" posts, there was a comment that said something like "You're not a Boeing A380, you don't need to announce you're leaving".
Jan 7 at 10:46, by Zoe
> You're not a Boeing A380, you don't need to announce your departure
Yeah, found it.
To be clear, Zoe was quoting the comment there. Wasn't made by her.
 
> Cody Gary said
 
3:00 PM
I noticed that as well
> Yesterday a diamond mod (Cody Gary)
x2
 
Cody Gary Zoey Roby ...
 
Cody should just change his name to Gary at this rate
 
3:30 PM
Coyd Gary
 
3:50 PM
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Q: Possible bad audit in First Answers

pitamerI just failed the following audit and was thus suspended from reviewing. I tried to understand what's wrong with this seemingly innocent answer, and a comment from a mod taught me that the answer is copied without attribution from this off-SO origin. I don't think there could have been any way fo...

 
4:06 PM
@NewPosts and I can see this audit just fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
@AndrewT. Yeah, weird. When I open this audit, it doesn't show up as deleted. The other one does (reddish background).
Also weird, I guess - when I opened the audit the first time, it showed the post with score of -1. I clicked on it to get a breakdown, it showed 0 / -2. I reloaded, it shows the post score as -2. It doesn't show me -1 again.
 
4:32 PM
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Q: Background color change automatically in fragment in Android studio?

Tanjil Sarwar LazimI have added the blue-alliance spectrum color picker to my simple note app. Now, I can change the background color using the color picker. And the card color also changes according to the selected color. Right now, the problem is whenever I click on the note to edit and click save, then the color...

 
5:20 PM
On an unrelated note - Charcoal got a whopping 80 000 daily quota today, yay!
 
 
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6:26 PM
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Q: Can [go-ethereum] and [geth] be synonymized?

TylerHThere are currently two tags for the same framework, Go Ethereum. This is the official implementation of Ethereum for the Go language. geth: 310 questions and only two links on the tag wiki Go implementation of command line tools for Ethereum blockchain go-ethereum: 322 questions and a somewhat...

 
7:14 PM
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Q: Moderators need to be reigned in, and stop being rule-abiding. There are not rules, but "guidelines"

BraiamThis is becoming ridiculous: Moderators seems to have a serious talk with the rest of the community. They have unilaterally decided that "rules" need to be enforced with the maximum effect, and those rules are basically made up to make processes as painful and cumbersome as possible as possibl...

 
@NewPosts corn popped
 
7:40 PM
[gulps nervously] I think [bottom] went sideways today
 
meh
 
8:02 PM
> they need to be indicted
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yes, after discussing with Makyen and myself, staff agreed to increase the quota for Charcoal to 80k. My idea was, essentially, that, unless staff had any specific objections, Charcoal developers should never have to waste their time/energy worrying about quota limitations again (with the obvious caveat that staff reserves the right to come back at any time and say, hey, your usage is getting too high and placing too much of burden on our systems...
...thus we'd like you to now take the time to make adjustments that would reduce your quota usage). This was agreed to by CMs and devs, then implemented shockingly quickly. (Seriously. The ticket was actioned like the same day it was created.)
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah, of course. :-) I actually work in the aerospace industry, so that discord was immediately obvious (and quite glaring) to me.
@VLAZ Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying! I don't remember that at all.
 
I think you might be interested in this, @CodyGray, while you are here
 
What's happening there?
Oh, perfect, Zoe already rolled it back.
I was wondering why it wasn't letting me!
 
pesky so mods codifying their opinionated changes to existing guidelines to support their own opinions! (/s)
 
I mean
The purpose of these FAQs on MSE is to help users users not to break the rules and end up suspended
So even if moderators are unreasonable tyrants creating absurd policies, that's still not a reason for it not to be documented correctly on MSE
 
8:08 PM
I'd love to see rules to be amended, but this (the MSE edit)... is going nuclear for no reason
 
In other news, I miss this:
Ok, @jpmc - 5 comments in I still have no idea if you're struggling with a real problem or if you're just celebrating New year's Eve with a bout of pedantry. If you have a question or concern, please post a separate question, try to elaborate on it, and I'll do my best to clarify. Otherwise, I'm gonna just ignore this. — Shog9 Jan 1, 2019 at 0:34
 
> I've noticed a pattern recently in low-quality questions.
..
glad you could join us
 
what a day, I can't find my keys (literally) to go outside
 
I lost power for over an hour this morning, just as I was trying to catch some sleep. When I woke up for an unscheduled meeting, I found that my router had somehow done a factory-reset, completely breaking my Internet connection and other things.
I don't know why a power outage would have forced the router to do a factory reset...
 
factory rest? o_O
 
8:14 PM
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Q: How can we communicate more clearly about the purpose and necessity of effort in questions?

Karl KnechtelBackground I've noticed a pattern recently in low-quality questions. A lot of them have this basic form: I have an assignment: [copy and paste from assignment - summary: student is tasked with taking in some data structure, doing X with it, and then doing Y with the result.] I figured out the fo...

 
Yeah, wiped out all configuration/settings
@NewPosts Can't figure out if this is a reasonable proposal about improving the guidance offered to askers, or if it's a wrong-headed attempt to force askers to earn that answer by putting in "effort".
 
do you have to do the config manually? Apart from settings, the network config is supplied by the ISP automatically where I am from
 
Routers have a lot of configuration beyond just connecting to the ISP. This one provides a whole local network, with a DHCP server, NAT, firewall, and even static hosts (telling DHCP server to always send a specific IP address to a particular MAC address).
 
and that all went down, I presome? Yikes
 
Yup, lost it all, just like it was fresh out of the box, brand-new, with no custom configuration stored
 
8:22 PM
Ouch. Any backup options (written down or something) or you'll have to setup from scratch?
 
I have the Wi-Fi passwords and information written down, but not really anything else
It seemed like too much work
Everything I do lately is in a hurry...
I had to set this router up around the time when COVID started because the one I had at the time (an Apple AirPort) just suddenly failed.
 
8:38 PM
@CodyGray huh, you never know if it ever comes handy. Can relate, though
 
8:52 PM
that never happens when everything is left at default
 
The other thing that doesn't happen when everything is left at default is things working properly
(Well, that was a convoluted sentence, all to get parallel structure.)
 
9:32 PM
;)
 
10:02 PM
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Q: Site searches for multiple tags appear to update with new questions for any tag

Karl KnechtelI had open a search for [multiple-return-values] [python], showing me a small collection of questions which have both tags. After a while, the site started adding new python questions to the search results (hidden under the 'update' button), even though these new questions had nothing to do with ...

 
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Q: create folder multiple subfolders inside of other subfolders in Python

Jean-BaptisteI created a main folder called "Main_Result+datetime.now()" including subfolder Folder1, Folder2,Folder3. I am struggling to create other subfolders FolderA, FolderB inside of Folder1, Folder2,Folder3. [Main_Result+datetime.now()]---->[Folder1]---->[FolderA, FolderB] --->[Folder2]---->[FolderA, F...

 
10:25 PM
@NewPosts I believe this is a dupe... there was a similar meta post about multiple tags + live update recently
 
@CodyGray meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/417911/…, which is a dupe of that canonical bug report
 
10:56 PM
 
It differs only by 4 days, but yeah...
 
Yeah, not the most recent. And I actually voted to close the more recent one...
 
11:23 PM
remember the recent meta post about "moved to chat"? it seems like the user is still doing this with no repercussions, apparently
 
Optimistically, maybe they got suspended for a week and decided to continue after their suspension lapsed.
Timing would be about right.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Same user on the same site?
 
@RyanM I was following that debacle - does not seem like any action was taken
@CodyGray same user, same site, yes
 
Curious how he chose the URL, or why it has be to modified... many of them are invalid/unrelated room IDs
 
If someone did that on SO, they'd definitely catch a suspension if I were the one handling the flag.
 
11:28 PM
Hmm, well, Clearly the mods know about it?
 
one even posted an answer that they are aware
 
Yeah, exactly, that is what I meant.
 
why the user can still post dozens of those links an hour is a bit beyond my understanding
what worries more is that, apparently, on May 19th, the user was apparently abducted and replaced by a URL generator :)
 
There's not that kind of rate-limiting on comments
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Err... what?
 
@CodyGray they were posting and interacting normally until May, 19th 20:06 :) Then, apparently, they got replaced by a URL-generator doppelganger.
 
11:32 PM
Oh, I see
 
which is bizarre as heck and is what kept my attention on it - I am really curious to know wtf went wrong there
the reasoning for changes in the URL also escapes me - they are testing something, but to what end?
 
Moderators' patience
We see a lot of testing of that going on
And there was recently even published a report outlining conclusions
 
@CodyGray sounds about right
 
Unclear what the motivation is, though
Or how that helps anyone
#SOreadytobehelpful
 
I suggest an acute case of Don Quixotism
 
11:39 PM
The alternative energy enthusiast? ;-)
 
the one and only :)
lots of attempted windmill murders lately
 
11:56 PM
apparently, an attempted cat murder too
 

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