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Q: Audit failed but the Question has 2 different problems in it one resolved, one not should be separate questions?

Barkermn01I'm really really confused I just failed this audit, https://stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/33278357 Yet the question displayed in the audit lists 2 problems the first one resolved that then revealed a second error, that is not actually related. How does this fall within the guidelines, I though...

 
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Q: Burniate [samsung] and [xiaomi]

Daniel A. WhiteWe don't like company names as tags, yet we have samsung and xiaomi. These should be burned.

 
2:50 AM
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Q: Toxic community strangling creative learning & support

CamWell, this will be my last post on this community. I came to stack overflow to gain help from my peers throughout my progressing in learning web development & design. I thought, wow this is a great resource to have available to crowd-source answers and hopefully be able to help people along the w...

 
 
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4:02 AM
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Q: How to attach code files to Stack Overflow questions and answers?

John BGHow to attach code files to Stack Overflow questions and answers? Would Stack Overflow consider adding such feature? Right now the only way to include code to Stack Overflow answers or/and questions seems to be typing/cutting-and-pasting a few lines, or the entire code file. But after a few lines...

 
 
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5:41 AM
@NewPosts I feel like some version of this belongs in some canonical somewhere:
Most frustration of this sort comes from using the site without first understanding what it is for and how it works. A particular stumbling block is that this isn't a help site per se, but rather is a question and answer site where questions and answers are voted on by site members for whether the questions are felt to be on-topic and to have a high utility to future visitors. Posters who post enough questions that have been poorly received are automatically algorithmically banned. It's a harsh system, and not an easy one to learn to use well, but despite this, it has succeeded and survived. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 2 hours ago
 
 
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6:58 AM
@NewPosts do we have a bingo for posts about "toxic community"?
 
7:09 AM
> I have tried the following code in the screenshots, PLEASE HELP!!!
^ with posts like this, a Q-ban is well-deserved, IMO
 
 
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9:01 AM
@RyanM đź’Ż
@OlegValteriswithUkraine if we did, I reckon we’d fill up our bingo cards pretty quickly
 
9:37 AM
@sideshowbarker that's the beauty of it :) Now, if that'd also be a drinking game...
 
haha yeah that would be fun for a while but then I fear we’d pretty quickly end up like John Bonham (may he rest in peace)
 
 
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11:50 AM
@sideshowbarker well, yea, any such post is enough to get one drunk to numbness :)
 
since I mentioned github last time...they just changed their UI, and that kind of surprised me
I don't know how to feel about this
it looks so Slack-ish now :/
 
I know right
 
with the rate frontenders change U[IX] these days, you'd think they have nothing better to do, yeah
YT is probably the worst case of "let's rework the UI every couple of days" lately
 
yeah, YT made too many changes all at once. They made some paid features available (eg: member, paid resolution, etc)
they even removed some stuff too, it's just weird.
 
12:43 PM
I mean, it's like having a janitor rearrange your desk every day. I took a hiatus from watching anything on YT for a month back in October, and when I got back, it was, like, "where the **** are my subscriptions now?"
 
1:02 PM
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Q: Docker and SQL Server are on-topic (and so is GitHub)

CodeCasterI want to get two on-topic questions reopened, and I want people to stop close-voting on-topic questions as off-topic. Or explain to me where I'm seeing things wrong. 1: Could not connect in container because "The evaluation period has expired" This one's about a Microsoft-distributed Docker imag...

 
 
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Q: Review Ques Edit

NameVergessenHi i am new to the 500 Reputatino bracket. I was reviewing some questions and awnsers. Sometimes I was seeing something small to fix. Something like grammer, spelling or code formatting. So I did some edits. Some of them could not be queed because there was already another edit queed. Is there an...

 
@NewPosts I am not saying anything, but before fixing grammar I suggest learning how to properly spell it...
the edits are surprisingly decent, though
 
3:08 PM
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Q: Where are my favorites?

EloffWhere are the questions and answers that I starred? Seriously, I spent 15 minutes looking for them everywhere, including looking it up on Google. That's a huge UI fail. Why is there space for a review queues button on the right, but not a favorites star? Dumb, in my opinion.

 
3:32 PM
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Q: why is asking "why" off topic?

neubertI just posted why would PuTTY prioritize ssh-rsa over rsa-sha2-512? and very soon after my posting it the question was closed as being off topic. My question is... why? How is my question off topic whilst Why does HTML think “chucknorris” is a color? is on topic? Both are asking "why"? I will co...

 
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Q: A new Issue has occurred | TypeError

FakeSamurai I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: MongoParseError: URI malformed, cannot be parsed at parseConnectionString I have rewritten my code for the leveling system, now I'm getting an error in my command handler. I don't know why, I haven't touched it in months, but now it's causing thi...

 
 
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5:20 PM
@NewPosts SE should really work on the closing of things. Jobs was closed down and we were getting questions about where it went for months. Heck, I saw somebody unaware it was discontinued just this week. Same thing happens with the app. People are coming out of the woodwork to report the app misbehaves. When it doesn't work at all and has been delisted for ages. And there is favourites.
When dicontinuing a feature, there should be a way better way to inform people about it. There is a big announcement but so what? It's gone after a month or two. Users can easily miss it or just plain ignore it. And then different metas are stuck having to inform stragglers one by one.
With Jobs, there was a FR to have the Jobs page itself speak of its own demise. So users who visit will not just wonder why it doesn't work and head over to meta to ask. For the app it could have been similar. AFAIK, the current message says something along the lines of "Something is wrong, please report to Meta". Instead of "App development is dead, read more about it <here>" which would be more informative.
 
5:41 PM
@VLAZ for the app, I'd assume the message is hardcoded, thus it's impossible to change without publishing the update in the first place.
 
5:52 PM
@VLAZ given that SE uses voodoo magic to keep the codebase from crumbling, it's no surprise they have trouble killing features
 
6:14 PM
@AndrewT. Yes, they are probably hardcoded. But that doesn't mean it's impossible to provide accurate information. Well, only impossible if you never plan it, I suppose. But at the very least, the discontinued endpoints could have been returning an error with a body that says the app is discontinued, and that gets echoed to the user. Yes, it requires an update to even do that but it still falls under the planning part which apparently wasn't done.
 
 
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7:15 PM
<rant>Oh, Jesus, can we please stop, just stop talking about new users as if they were children, and with disabilities at that? We are talking about a range of ages from 13 to unbounded - at this point in life (even at the low end of the spectrum), one is supposed to develop critical skills like reading, writing, searching for information, being able to follow rules, etc</rant>
 
err, that reminds me... @ZoestandswithUkraine the comment archiver bot died
 
God dammit
I need to look into the code at some point
 
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Q: Roomba'd questions are once again showing up in search

Zoe stands with UkraineThis bug has previously been fixed, but has once again regressed. From the current collapse burnination: There were a couple more, but I redeleted around 3 more of them before I stopped and remembered the bug had been fixed and this shouldn't happen. Direct links to the questions: https://sta...

 
â—Ź boson.service - Botting daemon
     Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/boson.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
     Active: active (running) since Wed 2022-11-16 19:16:31 CET; 1 weeks 4 days ago
   Main PID: 732986 (java)
      Tasks: 21 (limit: 779)
        CPU: 32min 13.220s
     CGroup: /system.slice/boson.service
             └─732986 java -jar target/boson-0.0.3.jar

Nov 25 05:45:03 sinon java[732986]: meta.stackoverflow : {"items":[],"has_more":false,"quota_max":80000,"quota_remaining":79506}
Quiet failure again
... or!
I can make Cron restart it daily
 
oh, no, they killed Kenny Boson!
 
7:21 PM
it stopped at 6:03
Didn't it do that last time too?
 
any idea why this blip happens?
 
Give or take anyway
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I have no idea
The inner workings of boson is above my paygrade
I'm tempted to rewrite boson
Last time was 2022-11-10 at 05:39
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine are you going to touch Java? That's masochism
 
Though weirdly enough, the previous time was at 2022-10-17 at 16:20
 
and on 2022-10-10 if I am not mistaken
 
7:24 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine No, I'd be rewriting it in C++ or Python. Probably Python, I just realised the implications of boson being a chatbot
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Python's Chat Exchange version is pretty good
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Shockingly, yes, but it did restart on its own
Oct 10 15:33:58 sinon java[552]: meta.stackoverflow : {"items":[],"has_more":false,"quota_max":80000,"quota_remaining":79830}
Oct 10 15:33:52 sinon java[552]: log4j:WARN See logging.apache.org/log4j/1.2/faq.html#noconfig for more info.
Oct 10 15:33:52 sinon java[552]: log4j:WARN Please initialize the log4j system properly.
Oct 10 15:33:52 sinon java[552]: log4j:WARN No appenders could be found for logger (org.sobotics.chatexchange.chat.Room).
Oct 10 15:33:34 sinon systemd[1]: Started Botting daemon.
No
Hold on
That appears to be a reboot
it did stop on 2022-10-06 at 23:21
I'm gonna schedule a cron job for now
 
there's a serial bot killer on the loose
 
I suspect Boson is incapable of running over an extended period of time
No idea why
but that's my theory. We'll see if Cron helps
 
that would suggest something's leaking, maybe? given no logs, though...
wouldn't it just hard crash?
 
7:31 PM
I don't know
It not hard-crashing is the weird part
I set up the systemd service to automatically restart the service if it crashes as well
If it hard crashed, it would restart and be fine
There could also be a try-catch with weird threading issues that prevent it from dying
 
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Q: Should question on defeating captcha be allowed?

Tim RobertsThere are many StackOverflow questions about how to defeat captchas. In my opinion, and perhaps this is only my opinion, this is tantamount to asking for help in breaking in to the neighbor's house, and should be barred. Captchas are designed to protect copyrighted material. It's designed to p...

 
@ZoestandswithUkraine here it is:
> // TODO : REMOVE THE POKEMON EXCEPTION HANDLING AFTER TESTING IS OVER
I have no idea if it catches exceptions thrown from the event listener, not a Java SME by a long shot
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine It shouldn't be catching those, AFAIK
 
pokemon exception -> because it "catches" exception?
 
@NordineLotfi "catch 'em all" :)
 
7:34 PM
The thing is, it isn't just the chatbot that dies
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine 'cause it's the outermost try-catch available
 
The process that checks the API also dies, which is why logging disappears
 
oh, dear
@VLAZ well, that's... good. At least it matches my expectations
 
@NordineLotfi It's a term for overly broad catches: catch(Exception e) will catch everything. Whereas the best practice would be to catch whatever you can do something meaningful with. E.g., catch (FileNotFoundException e) {} catch (ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException e) {} etc.
The broadest possible catch should be reserved for truly dire and unpredictable cases.
 
Crontab set up now though. Set it to restart daily. Hopefully, that's enough
 
7:38 PM
@VLAZ I see :o did not know this term (I mean I understood the reference immediately, but wanted to make sure this was what I understood).
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine hmm, from what I've just looked over, the monitor service seems to catch-n-print everything properly...
 
so, yeah, it seems like the monitor dies without throwing anything
 
Yeah, but it shouldn't do that
 
ofc - any idea if something can kill the process on the outside?
 
7:41 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine I remember I once made a nice crontab command to start one using a function: gist.github.com/secemp9/0b24cb31444a7f3069df5efaddc924e2
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine There's lots that could, but I have no idea what
The OS could also be killing it, but again, why?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine is it made in Java? I don't want to be that guy but, maybe it's because of a memory leak problem? (of course, Java isn't the only one having that problem, but I mostly mean that because of the memory requirements over time)
 
It has plenty of compute resources
 
nvm, I saw the github link too late. Disregard what I said earlier
 
@NordineLotfi I doubt it. If my device ran out of memory, I'd know, and if Java runs out of memory, it dies with an exception
 
7:44 PM
I see
 
> Note however that if this single thread terminates due to a failure during execution prior to shutdown, a new one will take its place if needed to execute subsequent tasks
^ hmm, well, that is odd
 
maybe there a problem occurring between the time when it creates a new thread and when the older one is terminated?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine ughhh
 
@NordineLotfi well, it all seems to be managed by an instance of ExecutorService, so it's unlikely - maybe this is where the problem might lie:
> If any execution of the task encounters an exception, subsequent executions are suppressed
 
... maybe it's an API blip
 
7:49 PM
well, that is definitely a possibility...
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Interesting
 
Arsed to fix it
I'll leave the cron job and call it good enough
 
if you could easily reproduce it, you could make a stack trace/debug output and once it stop, you'll know at which line/part it failed
 
I have little idea about what "suppressed" means here, though. @VLAZ? Might it be that a task can throw, and the executor service "suppresses" further executions without the exception being propagated anywhere?
 
or I guess you could keep X amount of lines from the debug/trace output at all times until the error comes up again
 
7:52 PM
the problem seems to be that there is no error :)
 
oh, got you
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Not sure. I assume it means that if it gets an exception, it's not re-scheduled.
Yep, reading the docs does suggest that's what "suppressed" would mean, since it then goes to describe the only other way of cancelling future executions.
 
@NordineLotfi yeah... from what I've read just now, and I can at least read Java code (it's very painful, though), the bot is properly handling exceptions and is using an executor service to schedule tasks to be executed on a spawned thread that is respawned in case it terminates (at least it is supposed to be respawned).
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yep. If that was the case, I could at least track down the try-catch, remove it, and have it properly crash
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine wait, it uses log4j? wasn't there a vulnerability for it a couple months ago? I think people could take remote access and such, but I might be misremembering.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine weird that this is happening then :/ wonder what's the cause
 
7:56 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine What's so hard to read Java? It's like JavaScript but it has types. Which makes it basically TypeScript. No difference really. :P
 
@NordineLotfi According to the logs anyway. There was indeed a vulnerability, and it is probably still vulnerable, but I doubt it's exploitable
 
@VLAZ thanks - that's my reading of the docs too. If it also means that the exception thrown by a task, if not explicitly caught, is lost to the Great Void, it might explain a thing or two. But I just can't believe that's the case here
 
Nothing user generated is logged
... wait, it does print the JSON
 
@VLAZ you nearly got me xD
"How many programmers does it take to fix a Java bot?"
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine A: "Too many. #DecommissionJava"
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But because I don't feel like using Python, and chat is such a pain in the ass (the main API is trivial in comparison), C++ is off the table. I also can't be arsed to take over development of boson, so fixing it is out of the question
 
8:00 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Yeah, I've not used that API, so I can't really say what happens if a scheduled task dies. Whether you'd be able to know or how. With what I know of Java, it's probably going to be very well documented and trivial to control...if you already know how to do it. Otherwise it may as well be black magic being done in the middle of the night in a dark windowless basement room.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine psst, have you tried Node? xD Please don't kill me
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I don't need to. Node is already doing that for me :P
 
kill -9 oleg
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine well, I can't argue with that :)
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine those jokes write themselves
 
8:02 PM
@NordineLotfi Yeah, and node jokes are enormous
 
@VLAZ too late, I am already a zombie
 
I'm sorry your parents died before they killed you.
 
I don't want to hear the version with master-slave
 
@VLAZ well, that's a hell of a comeback xD
 
out of context it's, yeah, it's something else
 
8:04 PM
don't worry, out of context we are likely to get indicted for life anyways
 
Context is everything I guess. Even in this context
 
@VLAZ I was orphaned long before that
 
 
joking aside, maybe Bhargav can be poked? I heard you only need two more times for them to appear
@VLAZ nah, that would be: "discoveries are useless" :)
 
it's labeled as useless until they find the right hype-person to talk to the investors. Then it's not useless anymore it's "has possibilities (for profit)".
 
8:22 PM
@NewPosts jokes and Boson aside, the heck is going on there?
 
9:10 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine (Just to not derail comments, I'm asking here) - you posted a comment here - what do you mean when you referred to the re-balencing? Are you referring to the series of events in 2019? I first joined SE in September 2021, so I'm not sure what you're referring to there
 
@cocomac yeah, better to go on the trip to memory lane here, agreed :) I referred to questions being rebalanced back to give as much rep as answers mostly, but all the other changes focused on making askers "feel good" while completely disregarding those who provide most of the value for the network - the answerers.
yay, here we go, one of the lowest scored meta posts of all time (poor Cody):
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Q: Upvotes on questions will now be worth the same as upvotes on answers

Cody GrayThose of you who suffer from banner blindness may not have noticed the announcement: Stack Overflow is changing the reputation scoring system to make the reputation earned from upvotes on questions equal to the reputation earned from upvotes on answers. Previously, upvotes on questions netted yo...

 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Thanks for the link - I'll read through that
 
@cocomac heh, get at least half an hour freed up if you want to absorb all the "fun" :) It's not the only thing, though - in general, over the past years (less these days, thankfully) SE has been going out of its way to alienate the core base of experts in favor of one-and-done askers...
 
9:26 PM
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Q: Question Quality Control

OneMadGypsyI don't have a question but, I can't figure out where on this site to suggest a product improvement. If I am posting this in the wrong spot, just say so, and I'll delete it. NUMEROUS, python questions are of extremely poor quality. It's literally a pandemic of barely decipherable posts. One of th...

 
@NewPosts is that... a genuine complaint about askers on Meta? My, that's a new one
 
9:58 PM
@NewPosts nah, we can't have nice things, I guess, given the direction the discussion is taking
 

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