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1:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
How would making it free resolve any of the issues you mentioned? How would that be any different than many of the product-specific sites we have on our network through the Area 51 process, that have existed for many years and still have not been taken over by those companies? — animuson ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by trinalbadger587
@animuson, see my edits. I tried to improve it. — trinalbadger587 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
As much as I'd love collectives not to exist... I don't think you've put forward any good or useful arguments. — Nick 39 secs ago
 
1:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I don't see any reason why you would be receiving notifications about that post... Any chance you "follow" it? — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
yivi consider incorporating @Willtech's comment on the original question "SergeP Code is difficult I know but you have to try." which interacts very nicely with "please try harder to isolate the issue you are having" in your answer... With that comment OP demonstrated some interesting idea on who is responsible for making the question clear and fitting the site's rules. — Alexei Levenkov 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
You'd probably have better reception if you just proposed to remove them entirely :) On a more serious note, really why would they make it free? This product was clearly designed with profit in mind (and I do not believe, even for a second, that community benefit was a concern when the idea had first been conceived), so what would be the reason to keep it around if not for at least getting a good buck out of it? — Oleg Valter 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jhecht
looks fine to me. — Jhecht 1 min ago
 
2:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica
I know there was some SEDE query that showed which posts have had the most other posts closed as duplicates of them, it would probably be possible to filter that by tag, and searching that might help. — Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica 25 secs ago
 
3:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
The go badge is super bright too. Also, it's too bad there wasn't a [gadget] tag applied to this, so it could have read [go] [go] [gadget] [factory]. — jrh 15 secs ago
 
4:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Note that you have commented on that answer once, and @reply doesn't work with whitespaces, so it will fallback to "@Dan". However, I still can't solve the mystery of @reply's name matching on why you still got the notification even though Dan Dascalescu (the OP of the answer) has commented after you. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
 
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5:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@AndrewT. "An exception is the case when the first @name either matched nobody, or matched the post's author (and thus isn't necessary); in this case, the next @name will be checked." might be the reason. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 50 secs ago
 
5:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Why do you assume the answerer and OP are the same person? — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@AbdulAzizBarkat Ah, yes, fixed it. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"for some reason the former seems to be about 6 times more popular than the latter." seems like the official name (at least what the site gives) is "Backpack for Laravel", so that might be why it's more popular. But I agree that "laravel-backpack" is probably better for a tag name. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
6:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
I suspect you may be question banned. If so you'll need to read this rather than asking here. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nithin Babu Paravath
@Robert Longson Please can you help I have a stackblitz created please I am really stuck. — Nithin Babu Paravath 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Meta is not the right place for programming questions. If we find them here we close and delete them. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
7:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Your Question must be easy to find and relevant to other people. Debugging code on a site somewhere else isn't a good addition to the Stack Overflow repository. Perhaps read Writing the Perfect Question to get a feeling of what is expected. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
7:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Great initiative! What was the (approximate) (estimated) success rate of getting the users to actually use it (both in relative (percentage) and absolute terms)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
"I think we have to ask ourselves why this feature even exists."--Are you discounting "to get money" as a reason? — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Ryan Teaching a man to fish is still not an answer to the question as posed. It may be the most appropriate answer, it may be the most helpful answer, it may be the objectively best answer... but it is still not a valid answer according to this site's rules. The simple reason is that so many garbage questions would easily be "answered" in such a way, which would encourage rep-farming on such answers instead of having those garbage questions closed as they should be. Again, Stack Overflow is not a forum, nor is it a place for teaching the absolute basics of programming. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@TheGeneral I'd be in favour of a fatal electric shock, TBH. — Ian Kemp 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
A tag is the obvious answer, except that there are no restrictions on who can tag what, so you'd end up with garbage humans tagging their garbage questions with these tags. Fundamentally the Stack Overflow platform would have to change in some way, and that's not gonna happen. — Ian Kemp 39 secs ago
 
8:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@IanKemp Is seems to be a partial Answer. I wonder if one could post Answers instead of answering in comments. Perhaps what would make for better duplicate targets. Apart from that, there's no such thing as a Question that is too simple. Stack Overflow is for everyone, not just experienced developers. ..and what's up with the bold? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@TheGeneral That's not even funny. Creating an atmosphere of punishing people is not constructive. It's quite the opposite. It creates fear, and it removes creative thinking.. and it even lead to someone posting a comment saying killing people for posting on Stack Overflow is better! — Scratte 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@IanKemp I thought the mention of "garbage human" was past now. If you need a break, then perhaps you should take it. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Editing and close voting can very often be done perfectly well without any subject matter knowledge. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
You don't need to be an SME (or to have any clue about a technology at all) to recognize and curate low-quality content. You need to know how SO works and what it strives to be. For example, just because I know that a C++ debugging question with images of code needs debugging details, doesn't mean I could find suitable duplicate targets for C++ questions. — Jeanne Dark 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Scratte If you don't like how I refer to people who make zero effort but expect exhaustive answers to be handed to them on a platter - tough. I'm tired of the nonsensical view that they're just poor misguided souls who will magically turn into incredible Stack Overflow contributors, because they never do. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend they're not the main problem contributing to the downward cycle of quality that SO is stuck in, that's your choice. But don't expect me to do the same, and especially don't expect me to be complicit in your denial. — Ian Kemp 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
"And with the increasing number of users who don't bother accepting answers".. yeah well, once a Question is accepted, there's probably to lot less chance of getting another Answer, so personally, I'd never accept any Answer if I posted a Question. — Scratte 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I'd be more inclined to give silver badge holders some additional privileges. Would be a better solution to the same issue. It has been suggested on the past in different forms. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deeplay
@Braiam, can you please update your answer for the present version of SO? — deeplay 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
"And with the increasing number of users who don't bother accepting answers, there's no guarantee that a valid answer will be accepted. ... The end result is that badges in language-specific tags are becoming ever-more difficult to obtain." Since accepting answers has nothing to do with getting tag badges, I don't see how this follows. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Just to be clear: "because now those curators could immediately close said questions with a single vote" means this is effectively about awarding curators with a dupe hammer? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@IanKemp We sure have different views. I do not think that people need to show any attempt as long as they post something that is answerable. It makes no difference what hoops they went through, and I certainly don't expect to see their sweat and blood seeping through my monitor. Most good posts came about because someone wanted to know how to do something. They're extremely valuable to this site and they have good Answers especially because there was no botched attempts made in the Question. — Scratte 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Since people do everything for badges (see the armies of robo-reviewers), would this not potentially do more harm than good? — Jeanne Dark 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
...and I say this as someone with thousands of "successful" close votes in a tag where I do not have a gold badge. — Ryan M 23 secs ago
 
8:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Emeka
Thanks for everything. — Samuel Emeka 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan
@IanKemp I just disagree wholeheartedly and don't think we'll see eye to eye. There's no such rules. No rules against partial answers. No rules against posting links to online learning resources. Despite your 3 claims of rules break neither fit the bill. Partial answers are allowed and encouraged and you're trying to argue it's against the rules when it isn't. It is ABSOLUTELY a place for teaching the basics because we all have to start some somewhere. You seem to have your own zealous textbook rules for how the site should run where a helpful, partial answer is somehow against your code. — Ryan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan
Also, can I just say point out, you've strawmanned me in every single one of your comments so far and my patience wears thin. As i've stated, multiple times, this is a discussion around partial answers. Not the quality of the question or the experience of the author. It's not even relevant yet you keep going off-topic to insult non-existant authors. I stated that the answer presented would answer their question partially, as it's two pronged and they have an error and don't know how to identify it. The answer identifies it for them. Hence, partial answer. Hence, allowed under the site rules. — Ryan 13 secs ago
 
9:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
How exactly is single voting duplicate closure helpful for dealing with the influx of garbage? Duplicates aren't dealt with by roomba. So now you moved the 3 close vote requirement to be 3 delete votes. Not to mention this just seems intent on abusing duplicate closure. If a question is unclear it should be voted to close as unclear, not hammered shut with a "maybe duplicate". — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zilog80
Maybe you should also consider registering it on https://stackapps.com/ ? — Zilog80 1 min ago
 
9:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
First of all, how to determine whether a tag is a language tag? — Andrew T. 34 secs ago
 
9:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mhmdrz_A
document.querySelectorAll('a[href^="/collective"]').forEach(‌​el => el.remove() )Mhmdrz_A 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
No, because the issue answer to his question, he knows why it appear and that he can't fix it. — Elikill58 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@JeanneDark Probably not, since the Answer seems to be "This is a known bug, as per this issue" — Scratte 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"Is a good thing to just include the link?". No, that would be flaggable as "not an answer", per the duplicate. — yivi 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@yivi Did answering with "This is a known bug and there is no fix for it" been included into the "Not an Answer" definition? — Scratte 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Scratte That's not what the OP asked. — yivi 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@yivi It's not about the content of the link. It serves as a reference to "This is a known bug and there is no fix for it" — Scratte 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
When I mean "just a link" it's without code or something, just say it's a known-bug by the owner of the linked dependency used. — Elikill58 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Scratte Exactly, it's not about the content of the link. Just linking to an issue (or to anything else) is not an answer in my book. Posting an answer that explains that it's a known bug in X version, and that the bug is filed "here", would be. — yivi 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@yivi Fair enough. But now everyone knows this, so the next question is, Is anyone going to edit it, since we all know it.. or are we going to delete something useful, because it doesn't comply in it's current revision? — Scratte 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
At the moment when the OP answer with this link, it was solving his question (now waiting for fix). IMO SO should keep it as answer and show if the bug is solved, to know if this answer is right (not fixed), wrong (fixed, not this issue), no longer available (dead link) — Elikill58 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Hopefully someone will edit it, @Scratte, if they find it useful and know about the subject matter. Since I'm fulfill neither of those requirements, I'll pass. Hopefully it's fixed before it's deleted, if it's actually useful (no clue if that's the case). — yivi 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
I don't think trying to improve the site tools as a volunteer is particularly appreciated by the company. They already did an experiment with a wizard, which was cancelled in favour for some new question page layout. So I'd rather reach out to the open source, non-profit Q&A communities and offer to design a wizard there, or to integrate your current work in their site. Except at least Codidact already got a wizard... if you are curious to compare it with yours, it's found at meta.codidact.com/tour. It's for generic Q&A though and not specifically for a programming site. — Lundin 38 secs ago
 
10:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Though, personally, I don't disagree that curation should be rewarded (there are far too many people that don't make use of their curation privileges in my opinion), this isn't going to solve the problem in my opinion. Unfortunately, I suspect that rewarding curation (which many users incorrectly understand as "gate keeping" and "unwelcoming") would actually make things worse though, where questions that can easily be made on-topic by the OP or other users get closed/deleted much quicker as certain users hunt their internet points. — Larnu 8 secs ago
 
10:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ghost Ops
Thank you so much! It works! will verify this answer in 6 minutes — Ghost Ops 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@blackgreen Nice to hear that there is at least something positive coming out of it. I wonder why though. Either it's the gamification features (collective's leaderboards) that are working or it's simply Google allowing its employees to spend more time here. Because otherwise nothing has changed really. — Trilarion 11 secs ago
 
11:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Agreed. I've lamented this in the past - the current system means that if a user answers a lot of duplicates, they can easily get a dupe hammer. If a user closes a lot of duplicates, they have difficulty obtaining a dupe hammer. Trying to merge this into badges treats an XY problem, to me. People who do a lot of curation should absolutely be awarded with more curation options. I just don't think the current system is a very good fit. I think it fundamentally does not for incentivise curation. So, trying to change the gold badges seems like a band-aid. — VLAZ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Hall
(1) The pandas bit certainly shouldn't be there, that was a stupid, unusual mistake. (2) This is the only time I've repeated the recommendation or mentioned the course. That's not the goal. Is there anything bad about the first comment apart from the pandas bit? (3) I stayed and helped this person through multiple errors after everyone else left. I don't think it's fair to say things went south. — Alex Hall 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Hall
(4) The problem was not the promotion. If I had nothing to promote, it would still have come down to me explaining the M in MRE, that the question code doesn't need to contain the whole homework assignment, and that the asker's problems are bigger than this assignment and they need to go through some tutorial from the beginning. (5) Of course if I do something many times it will sometimes go badly, but if it helps most other times, isn't it worth it? — Alex Hall 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Hall
(6) Yes, it needs work, but getting feedback from real users is essential. For example, based on this case I'm going to add a more thorough explanation about replacing input() in code. (7) As with others, I'm happy to hear your ideas on how to improve the UI and make it useful for other kinds of questions. I'm struggling to see how I can offer significant value outside MRE style problems. But I don't see why it has to. Why is it bad that it only targets a specific kind of problem? — Alex Hall 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Hall
(8) Why is it too late to use the tool after posting to SO? If it helps them fix one or several issues, isn't that good? Besides, a question needing an MRE doesn't imply such a chain of issues, just a need to explain one problem better. If it's too late to link to the wizard, why isn't it too late to link to the MRE page? (9) In what sense can the wizard 'live alongside' the questions you link to? Is linking to those posts in comments somehow different? — Alex Hall 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I hope there is no need for me to point out that comments are not appropriate to discuss 9 (!) speed dumped rebuttals either. — MisterMiyagi 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
And.. it was deleted.. — Scratte 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Scratte If you thought it was useful, maybe you could have edited the answer before a mod got to it. In its current state, it was correctly deleted. Was it actually useful? You can edit and raise a mod flag afterwards. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@yivi I can't even see it now. So no, I can't edit it. On a side note.. I'm also not a good editor. — Scratte 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Well, the "lost link" is mentioned on the comments on that question. If you believe it's useful information that could be better preserved as an answer, use the information to create one. I couldn't, but apparently you are knowledgeable in the subject matter. So go ahead! :) — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Hall
(a) I think these are important points and it's fair for me to make them whether or not you respond. I don't see what my alternative is. (b) Many of these points don't prompt a response at all. (c) One even links to a more appropriate place for longer discussion. (d) You could edit responses into your answer. (e) Choosing one of my points/questions that you find most important and responding to only that would still be very valuable. I'm not forcing you to respond to everything or even anything. (f) Speed dumped? I took my time and wrote everything in a separate editor, I don't see an issue. — Alex Hall 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
1) Yes. 2) It's not actionable, doesn't even work for me (Safari) directly. 3) I do think it's fair to say the promotion went south. 4) Yes the problem was the promotion. Explaining requirements of this site and promoting a tool are two different things. See 3). 5) I am not convinced that it helps most other times. 6) I don't see how "but I need feedback" is an excuse for this anymore than for other inappropriate topics. 7.1) I can't say you seem to be taking my feedback constructively. 7.2) I don't think you can. 7.3) Because it is described as a question wizard. […] — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
It's not asking for a library or tool but it seems to me it is asking for an off-site resource, i.e. basic knowledge/tutorial. "We're not here to teach, we're here to help" as someone said a long time ago. — Paulie_D 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@Paulie_D It's not asking for an off-site resource (links to tutorials etc.). It's also not necessary to write a whole tutorial to answer it (too broad or more focus/details or clarity). — Jeanne Dark 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Thinking that complaining on meta about collectives is going to do anything at all is you lying to yourself. What this feature develops into or if it stays at all is between the company and their partners. And their pocket books. I would instead spend your energy on trying to co-exist with it, because this is for sure not going to be the only way that the company is going to try and extract more revenue from the brand. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It's a simple and poor question. I don't think we have a close reason for those. We have votes at most. Maybe it's a duplicate? Is there no question dealing with swift basic syntax? — yivi 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@yivi I don't think there is a question handling the basic Swift syntax, basically we'd need 100+ questions to handle all basic aspects of the language. — Cristik 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
[…] 8) Because it turns the question into a chameleon question. 9) The point was that a general collection of MRE helps/tools/guides on Meta seems more appropriate than promoting a specific tool. — MisterMiyagi 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mhmdrz_A
btw here is the selector a[href^="/collective"] for collective icons — Mhmdrz_A 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Hall
(2) Sounds like I should take Safari more seriously. (3/4/9) I think we fundamentally disagree about promotion being inherently bad. I don't see the relevance or negative impact here. This is my way of explaining to people how to make an MRE. I don't see this as truly different from me linking to a blog post I wrote, or that someone else wrote, or a meta question or help article. It already links to some help articles and I can add more, e.g. I can link to the pandas MRE guide when someone imports pandas. That would make it a collection as you say. (7.3) You want me to change the title? — Alex Hall 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Hmm.. if you can't edit it, you need to Skip the review and let someone else edit it. Don't do another action because you can't do the required one. It's not about "your review", it's about reviewing being put in place to make the site better. — Scratte 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
We need a close reason for personal motivation problems. Because not wanting to properly inform yourself and thus making your life far harder than it needs to be is not a programming problem, it's a personal one. — Gimby 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Other people can edit without review (>=2k rep); certainly we shouldn't block post-editing for them? — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Mhmdrz_A I think you also posted on the Question. Doesn't it find for example links to Collective Article downvote pushes for explanation. Bug or new feature? and Collectives member count is way offScratte 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
If there's no duplicate, answer it. — Heretic Monkey 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raguel
@Scratte the thing is, I already completed my edits, and I didn't know that queue was full. So I just wasted my time making changes to the original post. This is the main issue for me. Some posts are understandable but only need some formatting and maybe grammar fixes, and as a reviewer, I get an option to edit the post to make it better, which is not available but shown as so. — Raguel 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"We need to drop this lazy moderation culture. Either moderate properly or stay your hand" - indeed. Essentially what is true for reviewing is also true for moderating. The fact that there is far too much junk flowing in and the company not doing anything about it does not change the fact that you should still try to do the right thing. — Gimby 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Yes, I understand the issue. But at that point you'll still need to Skip it. You could just Skip all post that needs an edit. I did that when I did most of my reviewing.. since the queue is almost always full. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rocket Nikita
Maybe the name of this user is inaccurate representation of chick sounds? — Rocket Nikita 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CherryDT
It's incredible that this link still isn't back after over a year since this topic was opened. Right now the close message makes zero sense for a user, because the "debugging details" part (which one would expect to link to something describing "debugging details" only lists irrelevant other things). 😒 - We already have 53 upvotes, what else do we need to get common sense back? — CherryDT 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@HereticMonkey do you propose to have a canonical question for every aspect of the language syntax? — Cristik 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Yeah, have to second Scratte here - if you can't edit, "skip", tough luck - we have suggested edits cluttered with typo fixes, irrelevant tags, and other "good" stuff, unfortunately. It's been near its capacity every day for a long time, and recent changes to review queues did not help much in brining new reviewers. That said, well, we hear you, it is annoying as hell (even users with 5K+ can't edit tag wikis without going through the queue, and getting "the queue is full" after carefully constructing one is baffling). There is little to be done, though - after all, queues are an async [1/2] — Oleg Valter 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
@Cristik Given that Stack Overflow is a "library of detailed answers to every question about programming", why not? For JavaScript we have What does this symbol mean in JavaScript? where all syntax/symbol related topics are bundled so they are easy to find when you want to close one as a duplicate. — Ivar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
People don't search for "why can't I reference an array index that is greater than the length of the array in Java?". They search for (if they search at all) ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException plus maybe java. and that's it. That's why having a catch-all "super broad canonical dupe target" is nice to have; for people to land on when searching. Now, it might be better if the answers to that catch-all question were spread amongst more targeted dupes for symptoms, like What does this symbol mean?, but a single target for searchers seems good. — Heretic Monkey 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
[2/2] process. You can start editing at 497 review tasks and finish when 3 more tasks have already been poured into the queue from other places. What should happen in this case? 'tis a non-trivial problem. It is solvable (i.e. give priority for edits incoming from other queues) but not easy and, frankly, at this point I do not trust Stack to be capable of solving non-trivial problems. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@OlegValter The number is cached. You can easily see 386 posts in the queue, while getting the message. So it's not even possible to prepare properly for it :( — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Scratte I know, but please, read the message again, is not about user perception :) It's about the real state of things. Agreed that there is probably close to impossible to solve. However, I do not believe it is completely impossible given that the queue state can be passed around live with WS instead — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@Cristik No. Just one for for every aspect that people have asked about. If no one ever asks "What does if mean in JavaScript?" I'll be happy. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@HereticMonkey Not understanding that very generic error messages are unhelpful is obviously part of the problem, see the other post that I linked. Obviously if people knew the cause of the problem, they wouldn't need to ask, but ending up with some generic post isn't necessarily helpful. This is a Q&A site and not wikipedia - our goal isn't to build wikipedia 2 or to collectively write a Java book. First of all I could obviously just RTFM about what ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException means. But if that turns out unhelpful, that's when I would ask on SO. — Lundin 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cristik
@Ivar interesting, however the question linked here asks for even more basic stuff, so we'd need a question that would cover the whole Swift language guide, and that's a book with over 900 pages :) — Cristik 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
FWIW, I would be quite happy to have a few nice and crips "what does <this> mean?" for the tags I frequent. That would make for good dupe targets for all the page long stories of suffering that actually boil down to "what does <this> mean?". — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"So why do we even have the possibility to edit the post if it is not available for edit?" - well it's hard to predict the future. The only blocker would be if the queue would be full the moment you hit the submit button, not when you open a piece of content for editing... I do that quite frequently without the actual intent of committing any edits too, I do it to see the raw post content before it is rendered by the Matrix. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
This is a matter of opinion, and being conspicuous is certainly the point of having a special icon in the first place. Voting to close. — TylerH 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@TylerH I thought the point of meta was to discuss thing and share opinons. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Bonus points for actually solving the mentioned problem rather than just nuking the icons entirely. — Gimby 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raguel
@Gimby I think it is possible to return the current state of the post and make the edit button unavailable. Of course, I don't know how the database works in StackOverflow's backend but adding this feature would add a great user experience. — Raguel 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte Meta is a place to discuss things and share differing viewpoints, yes, but posting a discussion asking if something is "too conspicuous" is not something that useful opinions can be shared around, and as I mentioned it misses the fact that conspicuousness is the entire point of the feature. Opinions are useful if they can be backed up with useful data or perspectives. Here, though, it's just a case of pure whim. — TylerH 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@TylerH How about if there's consensus, then we can get rid of them entirely? Some of us would like that. — Scratte just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I’m voting to close this question because frankly it's a troll question, and Shog's answer is a troll answer, too (albeit in good humor). — TylerH 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Are you trying to use emphasis within a code formatted word? sumproduct only appears code formatted in those comments. You can't use emphasis inside a code block. Neither in comments nor posts. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dominique
I am trying to put that word (or part of a word) in bold. Normally this works (as a next comment, I had written "testtesttest" with the expected bold format), but in this particular case I don't see bold text and the asterisks just remain. — Dominique 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes. Which does not answer my question in the previous comment. — yivi 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dominique
The issue also takes place if the word "SumProduct" is not in code format (you might check the different edits I did on my comment). — Dominique 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No, we can't. Only mods can see comment revisions. — yivi 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Also, next time you want to report something like this, it's better to include something more than a link to a comment. Comments can be deleted at any time, and whatever "issue" you experience, if it happens at all, can be easily demonstrated with a screenshot. In the comments you link, the word sumproductonly appears in code blocks, so the issue is not apparent. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte There is already a fairly consensus among the community that Collectives are bad, but the community consensus on Collectives is irrelevant, because it's a product the company has chosen to pursue. As has been documented numerous times recently, what the community wants is not considered in terms of big decisions where the network is concerned. Aside from that, a feature request to make an icon less conspicuous won't do anything to remove Collectives from the site altogether, so that's a non sequitur. — TylerH 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rob
I think this is really neat. However..my brain has basically been trained that when I see comments like "Hey I made a tool to do this check out the link ..." I (at least mentally) flag them. Not commenting to discourage you..but to perhaps explain the flags. — rob 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dominique
@yivi: you're right, I edited my question, adding a screenshot. — Dominique 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Maybe it's because of the parenthesis? SumProduct vs Sum**Product**(). — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
"non sequitur" meaning "absurd to the point of being humorous or confusing". That's just your opinion. Funny how that works. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dominique
@yivi: Indeed: when I don't put parenthesis, the formatting is correct. Is that a bug or is that expected behaviour? — Dominique 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonardo Alves Machado
To me, it started working again a few weeks ago - with or without VPN. I think they might have fixed it - I just wonder if it was fixed for everyone... — Leonardo Alves Machado 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Raguel what if when you click "edit" the queue is not full, but it's full by the time you are done with your edit? What then? — yivi 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
@chivracq No need for such hyperboles. "Accessible" being related to accessibility is something that, as a programmer, you must know. And I use "must" purposefully here. No need to study the content every day to know about accessibility. For instance, now you know, it took 5 minutes. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 19 secs ago
 
2:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
It looks like a bug but it is so isolated that I wouldn't count on this getting any kind of priority in the next decade. — Gimby 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@EkadhSingh Here's a query that does that (pulls most popular dupes for a given site). — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Would be a dupe of this one, I think. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@RocketNikita now that's thinking outside of the box. — Gimby 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@blackgreen thank you for sharing that. It is reasonable to believe that a very specific open source oriented collective like Go (and also Gitlab) which is tied to a single tag can help streamline things. For other programming platforms it might be a little more troublesome though. Is there going to be a Java collective... or an Oracle collective. There is like a world of difference there :/ — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dominique
@yivi: it's a duplicate, indeed. Thanks for the feedback. — Dominique 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica
@zcoop98 thanks for that query. Those numbers are quite mind boggling. — Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
3:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean... the collective created a leaderboard that is best pursued by refraining from gaining rep outside of tags related to the collective. At least some number of users will go from answering more broadly to narrowing down to that set of tags to boost their rankings, for whatever reason they deem important. — Kevin B 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte Uh, what? Non sequitur means "does not follow logically". For example, "I drove my car to work today instead of taking the train, so I don't know who painted the Mona Lisa." Opinion has nothing to do with it. — TylerH 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Mhmdrz_A That's a nice pipe dream, but it's not a reflection of reality, unfortunately. If SO listened to community on such matters over their own desires, we'd still have the old profile page layout, Collectives would be removed completely, Monica would be reinstated as moderator everywhere, gold-badge Mjolnir powers would cover other close reasons, et cetera, ad infinitum. None of those things are the case, despite massive Community clamoring for each one (and that's far from an exhaustive list). — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@yivi Then the problem wouldn't be 100% solved, but it would still be better than what we have now, and would foreseeably waste a few less people's time. — zcoop98 20 secs ago
 
3:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Ryan Spare me your faux outrage. Your so-called "partial answers" that explain how to troubleshoot are not valid answers to questions posed regardless of what you want the rules to be. Your constant attempts to deflect from being called out on this are testing the patience of anyone who actually knows the rules of this site. — Ian Kemp 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yeah-yeah, you "win", I don't want to "pollute" this Thread with a badly formulated Title anymore, we are just "acting" like Trolls, ah-ah...! :wink: — chivracq 1 min ago
 
3:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Ryan Further, the kind of questions that would attract the tutorial-type answers you so want to be allowable, are the kind of questions that don't belong on this site. So your "solution" of posting tutorial answers to those questions is... not a solution because said questions shouldn't be answered anyway. In other words, your entire argument is predicated on nonsense, you know it, and since you have no counterargument you've resorted to accusations of bad faith... which you're making in bad faith. Hypocrisy much? — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
You are correct, but you can't state it as broadly as "questions about IDE's are on-topic" - the "must be a programming problem" bit still has to apply. If an IDE interface shows graphical corruption... that's bad luck, but it's not a programming problem. Probably a driver issue or a bug in the software itself. If you don't know how to install/setup your favorite font... tough luck, I'm sure the IDE has a manual. Questions about IDE usage for the act of programming are the juicy bits we want to hoard. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Ian, It may be legit outrage over faulty reasons. I 1/4 agree with Ryan. An answer that's "Use a debugger" is crap. Decent comment a lot of the time, though, if backed with a quick rundown on how to use a debugger. Part answers, assuming they're not misleading, just don't get upvotes from me unless they are pointing out something very important. I vehemently disagree with Stack Overflow as a place for teaching the basics. Where you draw the line on basics may vary, though. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
If the asker cannot explain their problem or I can't explain the solution to the asker because they do not know enough of the terminology, they can't be helped without a study of the fundamentals. But, A) the fundamentals scale with the question, and B) Screw the asker. The answer might still be extremely useful to future askers who do have sufficient background understanding. — user4581301 1 min ago
 
4:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Sounds good but, in effect, you are acting as a dupe lookup-drone for OP's who can't be bothered if they can con some mark into doing their work:( — Martin James 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@MartinJames Yes, that is what we all do on Stack Overflow. It's not easy to come up with an original question. These are rather rare. Majority can probably be closed as duplicates. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
'Yes, that is what we all do on Stack Overflow'....not all. If I don't know the answer, I won't look it up. If it's a trivial answer, I just comment some quick clue/tip. — Martin James 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Is the question useful? upvote it. Is it not useful? downvote it. — Kevin B 58 secs ago
 
4:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The Help Center says "...software tools commonly used by programmers..."Peter Mortensen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
DO NOT expect that anyone will do that for you ever again. BSMP went way above and beyond with this. — Heretic Monkey 34 secs ago
 
5:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
In addition to the primary.css rule of .badge:hover, .badge-tag:hover { color: hsl(0,0%,100%); background-color: hsl(210,8%,5%);} not taking into account dark mode, there's also an issue with the :hover classes, which use .badge:hover, .badge-tag:hover {color: hsl(0,0%,100%); background-color: hsl(210,8%,5%);}Makyen ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Potentially related: High contrast mode betaVLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Is the last sentence a question or not? Re "inconsistent and transparent moderation": Don't you mean "inconsistent and nontransparent moderation" (my emphasis)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
Why are Meta FAQs on Stack Overflow? — Someone_who_likes_SE 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Someone_who_likes_SE This only affects Stack Overflow currently, so it's being announced on Meta Stack Overflow. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ayhan
This is amazing! — ayhan 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Shekey
@Someone_who_likes_SE Our local development environment actually uses meta as its test database. I can update the screenshot if it's confusing. — Aaron Shekey ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Someone_who_likes_SE
Like this, but contrast is extra low for Teams completed items: i.stack.imgur.com/YeVxM.pngSomeone_who_likes_SE 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I love it. Thank you. — Nick just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ollie
@VLAZ Plot twist: It's become a spoiler-like bait so you have to hover/click to see what badge you got. — Ollie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Ollie You have to see all of the user's posts in order to know that, if you don't want the spoilers :P — VLAZ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Is this an email notification or a notification in your inbox here on the Stack Overflow site? — TylerH 28 secs ago
 
6:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
How many of these are being produced? — gparyani 49 secs ago
 
6:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Panko
@PeterMortensen link fixed — Kevin Panko 1 min ago
 
7:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
[ Boson ] New comment posted by D_00
Yeah, searched for a bit and found nothing because apparently I searched for the wrong words. Maybe marking this question as duplicate could make other users typing the same words as me redirect to the other post. — D_00 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
You clicked the "Share" button and shared a link, or someone else did and put your user ID in it — Nick 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by D_00
Course, I know ^^... — D_00 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
How can I add the "bug" tag on my answer ? — Elikill58 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
with [meta-tag:bug]Kevin B 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Cormier
This bug is a byproduct of messing with badge CSS for high contrast mode (by not necessarily because of high contrast mode). We have a fix that'll be going out in the next release. See also: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/411824/652353Dan Cormier ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Same problem in high contrast dark mode: i.imgur.com/N2j3quG.pngVLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Does this answer your question? Badges have become light in dark modeVLAZ 1 min ago
 
 
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9:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Catching it was easy, but I first had to regain my vision to report it! :P Thanks, fix is live now. — Andras Deak 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
In Ancient Times, there was a "Lacks Minimal Understanding" close reason, but it was removed. I guess it wasn't very friendly... — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
How does a "canonical question" look after, say, 9-10 years or more? I've seen plenty of "duplicates" point to a question that old, but the answers on the "dup" are more relevant than those on the "original" due to changes in language, software, or 1000 other things because it's only 1-2 years old or maybe only a few months old. We need to be careful when we look at "dups", because relevance to current situations can make even similarly worded questions very much not duplicates of answers using deprecated methods or procedures. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Cormier
@Someone_who_likes_SE we've shipped a fix for the Teams completed items contrast. Thanks for reporting it! — Dan Cormier ♦ 45 secs ago
 

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