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12:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Of course errors can be made. That's not what you claimed, though. You claimed that "someone with half knowledge closed it", and that is incorrect. There is a built-in mechanism to correct errors, if they occur, and that is to reopen questions. Reopening a question requires the same number of people to vote to reopen it as it took to close it. They don't have to be the same people. Regarding your other claims, no one said that the question had "no merits"; they said it wasn't suitable for Stack Overflow. The person you're arguing with (me) didn't close the question, and has nothing to prove. — Cody Gray ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"Are you saving [sic] that your volunteers never err?" - Nobody ever said that, simply that 2 of the 3 close voters of that question have answered over 1000 and over 500 Go questions respectively, and accumulated a lot of upvotes on said answers, they know what they're talking about. — Nick 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You are, of course, getting your wish for a vote. So far, that question has accumulated no votes to reopen, but it has accumulated several more downvotes. Clearly, other members of the community don't think it's suitable for Stack Overflow in its current form, either. You've been told by several commenters there why it's unclear; for example, by JimB. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
If you are not sure what the correct option is just skip the review.Security Hound 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"No one wants to say that you only really get one good chance at making a good and lasting impression." Citation required. I say this regularly. It is probably one of my most-posted aphorisms on Meta. I find it especially compelling because it's true. The reopen system really is a fail-safe: it only handles cases where the review process truly failed. It isn't good at recovery. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@SecurityHound They're aware of that, they even say "(And yes, I realize I can Skip. But I skip, skip skip and get more and more of them.)" - The question is, why show questions on which they may have no knowledge at all? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Give it time. Currently, all the active volunteers will continue to beat up and lynch the question for obvious reasons. I do not see a chance. If someone who reads it with cool mind and understands it, will be able to answer it and appreciate it. Meanwhile I will take the beating for trying to fix the wrong. But remember this - someone who may know a language, and answer most of the questions, that does not mean they know all aspects of it and will be in a position to understand all its aspects. There is something to learn even if one is an expert. — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Nick - How can an automatic system know what topics the author knows. I know about tons of topics, never answered a question about them, and I can certainly tell the difference between a good question and bad question on topics I know nothing about — Security Hound 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
You are right, that it would be best if someone read it "with a cool mind" and judged it thus. Do remember that again if you come to meta, to do the same -- to ask your meta question in a way not to inflamer or anger others. It does matter. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
None of that has anything to do with why questions get closed on Stack Overflow. You aren't a "victim"; this isn't a free speech platform; no one is suppressing your ability to learn; no one is claiming that they are all-knowing experts. — Cody Gray ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@SecurityHound Well it could look at tags you've answered/asked questions in for one example, but it doesn't. And that's the point, because you don't need knowledge, I was just explaining how your comment "just skip the review." is unhelpful, OP knows that. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Cullen
@SecurityHound In addition to the skip button, maybe we could have a "Skip all questions with [tag]" button. — David Cullen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Do we really want accurate answers about Cthulhu? The madness would spread and destroy the world. There are things man was not meant to know.user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
No one is looking at the merit of the question. Everyone is looking to see how to prove what I am saying is wrong. No one is talking about why Rust has no GC. Everyone is moving in different direction, with the intent of teaching a lesson. A true stackoverflow volunteer would say this "I have sent your question's link to few experts in golang and Rust, they are trying to see if your question has any merits" - Just look at the responses above. — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@CodyGray: There's a silent, or omitted, or implied "that works here" that's missing from that declaration. — Makoto 1 min ago
 
12:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
If this promotion was a comment I would flag it, if it was in another answer, and it made no sense to be there I would potentially just edit it out — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
This author might know it, but everyone who complains about their triage review suspensions don’t. My comment is for those users. — Security Hound 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
...they felt that it was unclear and broad. They voted to close it on that basis. I see no reason to override that. And, no, we don't go around spamming experts with links to questions. That's not what it means to sign up for this site. Also, as I've explained, no one has said that the question is entirely lacking in merits. Simply that, in its current form, it has insufficient detail to be answered in Stack Overflow's Q&A format. Really... it isn't that hard to understand. At this point, you're just repeating the same complaints over and over that have already been addressed. — Cody Gray ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I looked at your question. I continue to believe that, as you've been told, your question is vague and unclear, which makes it too broad to be answered in Stack Overflow's Q&A format. You seem to be making some assumptions, but you aren't telling us what those assumptions are. You haven't told us anything about the problem you're trying to solve. No one is trying to teach anyone any lessons. We simply have rules about what kinds of questions we allow, and complaining isn't going to change what those rules are. Your question was already reviewed by two of our top experts in Go, and... — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
The most important function of closing is it prevents the accumulation of the potentially wrong answers resulting from from guesswork while the question is clarified or otherwise upgraded. Writing good questions isn't easy, and a lot of the time you'll find you're partway through constructing the question when the real problem is shaken loose and you realize what went wrong. — user4581301 51 secs ago
 
1:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Just imaging if we spoon-feed ever detail like above how lengthy the question will be. So my question is precise. "Suppose I want to call Go binaries from a Rust program. Since Rust does not have a garbage collector (GC), will the Go binaries leak memory when embedded within Rust? Or does each Go binary file come with GC within it?" What part of the question is not clear. Focus on the root cause. Thanks! — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
9) But a binary from golang can be called from Rust. 10) Since rust does not do GC, what will keep the Golang Binary (or binary created from go) from not leaking memory. 11) Does golang binary from the function also comes with GC - even thought it is not the Main() program - just a piece of binary? 11) That was the question. Do you think all these are not required to ask this question. If volunteer do not already know the above, then they should stand not attempt to answer. — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
4) But you can create the binary file of functions (say .a) 5) You can call this from other languages. Because a binary is a binarty. 6) Golang has a runtime (housekeeping process) that does many things including say clean up memory. 7) This is called Garbage collector - includes cleaning memory that is dangling while the process is running. This is called memory leak. 8) Rust does not have GC. Because its compiler does all the checks. ... — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
If this group is problem solving - ask me what part of the problem you are not understanding. They did not help - will this group help. Let me explain. If this group is to not look at the main question, but just keep jumping on the mistakes after posting the question, and teaching me stuff - they we are not looking at the root cause. Let us focus on the root cause. 1) Programs create binary files from say the main() functions. 2) So main() is run as a standalone - most of the time. 3) Functions are not run as standalone. ... — Pat 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Nick, Thank you, I see some hope now, that someone is able to understand the merit of the question - and looking at the root cause. — Pat 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@BDL this is only if you are going to approve the answer with Looks OK vote. For blatant non-answers where you recommend deletion, none of that is needed - typically for recommending deletion one doesn't even need to look at the question — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Why do I see -19 downvotes when I am attempting to get help from this meta group. Why is this being discouraged, and kicked at. — Pat 1 min ago
 
1:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
MRE is in the glossary (this is not in any way RTFM - in any case it is difficult to discover) — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@java-addict301 Think of it as rate-limiting - although you may have the best intentions, it does not mean everyone else does. Since no one's living is affected and the goal of SO is to build a knowledge repository, it is considered more beneficial to prevent voting fraud than let users feel good about upvoting/being upvoted. Note that there is nothing inherently wrong in serially upvoting a user (the less popular the tag, the more likely it is that a single group of users answer most of the questions), it is the irregularities that are harmful (like short bursts of "votes of affection") — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Enrico: So the syntax syntax highlighter does not seem to support some new C++ version? Perhaps add some code that demonstrates that to be the case (it is a bit terse at the moment)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Enrico: Are you saying the syntax syntax highlighter does not seem to support some new C++ version? What C++ version is required for that particular code? What was the compiler, compiler version, significant compiler flags, compiler environment, and your assumptions in your test? Perhaps add some code that demonstrates that to be the case (it is a bit terse at the moment)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Enrico: Are you saying the syntax syntax highlighter does not seem to support some new C++ version? What C++ version is required for that particular code? What was the compiler, compiler version, significant compiler flags (e.g. for the C++ version), compiler environment, and your assumptions in your test? Perhaps add some code that demonstrates that to be the case (it is a bit terse at the moment)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Y2020-09
Speaking as the opposition I will say, I have never up-voted a meta post, ... ever ... I gave you an up-vote. On a personal note, I did reviews - once - in 2018, and eventually argued with @CodyGray about how silly it was, who subsequently closed my account, and theoretically I could 'triage' many things about Java (or HTML) - but I don't because closing people's "stupid questions" just makes me wonder what the purpose of any of this is... OK.. "It's a stupid question that you have asked 50 times..." So? Closing it is wrong, and only instigates it further anyway..Y2020-09 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Enrico: Are you saying the syntax syntax highlighter does not seem to support some new C++ version? What C++ version is required for that particular code? What was the compiler, compiler version, significant compiler flags (e.g. for the C++ version), compiler environment, and your assumptions in your test? Perhaps add some code that demonstrates that to be the case (your question here is a bit terse at the moment - it is effectively saying "It doesn't work". It would be better with something closer to an MRE, with sufficient context)? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It is confusing only to highlight the problem for a compile error (could be seen as implying there is a difference - there is not). The part with syntactically correct C++ has the exact same problem (<int> is hidden - twice for each). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
2:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Also, as asked when I am here to seek help, why are people kicking it with the downvotes. It is like going to a trail, and been threatened and kicked at on the way to the jury. Is that fair? I did not agree with the so called experts, so I am bad for that? I wish to prove what I claim. I just want to correct the wrong that was done (experts). Someone who had done it will never agree that they are wrong, so we need someone to ask me questions and judge by looking at the root cause and the main question. That is why I am here asking for help. Be fair. Thanks! — Pat 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Cody Gray, you keep telling me it was looked at by experts. I did not agree with them so I am here in the meta group, so a new set of eyes can ask me questions and I explain - and tell me what part of it is not easy to understand. I have explained the same question in detail, but that is something the experts already need to know, or will have to excuse themselves so someone else with more knowledge can answer. — Pat 44 secs ago
 
3:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@CodyGray Of interest to me, why was my original comment deleted? I understand if the ones after that would be controversial, but why my original comment? — 10 Rep 55 secs ago
 
3:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbush
@Pat Are the Go binaries actually a library, where the functions within are called from within the same process as the Rust binary, or is the Go binary run as a separate executable in a separate process? — dbush 1 min ago
 
3:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
My question is real simple: "Suppose I want to call Go binaries from a Rust program. Since Rust does not have a garbage collector (GC), will the Go binaries leak memory when embedded within Rust? Or does each Go binary file come with GC within it?" Thanks! — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Go binaries are in library with no main(). These will be called from Rust binary and will be incorporated into Rust final exe [going this route because Rust binary is small and golang binary is large, I do not mind the GC (actually I need it) from Go]. Here is the "reverse" example - calling rust from go - blog.filippo.io/rustgo. But my challenge is the opposite, as explained in the question. So instead of showing what is working, I placed a simple question that is very straight forward. — Pat 1 min ago
 
4:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbush
@Pat That's why the question was closed as unclear. Using the right terminology matters. — dbush 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbush
@Pat Your wording is throwing people off. "Binaries" typically refer to a standalone executable, so it sounds like you're trying to run a separate process. If that were the case, GC in Go wouldn't matter to the Rust program because it's a separate process, which is what all the comments in the original question were referring to. But the Go code is in a library which is called from Rust in the same process space. — dbush 1 min ago
 
4:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbush
@Pat Not to mention this comment: Thanks, I am not worried about the memory of the calling process (rust in this case), just want to make sure the called process (golang extern binary file) cleans up, after it completes the execution. And leave on leaked memory that the main rust may have not idea of. which implied a separate process and not a library. — dbush 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
Thanks dbush. This is not for you --> So, if I has all the knowledge and all the right terminology - and an expert - why will I use stackoverflow.com. If a student asks something that is not clear - do we not ask clarifications or throw them out of the class? We do not punish someone for using right terminology, I think we should be here to help, not act as arbitrary bosses. I am sure we need some big reforms here at stackoverflow - it seems to be long overdue, or it will stay as a group where so called experts help experts and leave others like me behind. Thanks. — Pat 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
>>Thanks, I am not worried about the memory of the calling process (rust in this case), just want to make sure the called process (golang extern binary file) cleans up, after it completes the execution. And leave on leaked memory that the main rust may have not idea of. which implied a separate process and not a library — Pat 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
The above, you could call a golang function too right. Does it say calling a main.go exe? — Pat 1 min ago
 
 
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5:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
You are not being punished, nor are you expected to know everything, but if you cannot describe your problem, you cannot expect to receive answers unless someone guesses correctly. As the communicator, the onus is on you to make yourself understood. Sometimes this means you need to step back and research how to pose the question correctly. Asking a good question is hard work, and often doing the work making the question answers the question. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
 
5:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
So with all this discussion - still my question is not clear. If you decide not to understand how will you? — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
I don't know how many people are discouraged from asking question because of such attitude. A real helper will ask couple of good questions and move the question in the right direction, unless he/she is busy with the real job and quickly brush off the request. — Pat 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
If you experts keep bashing non experts, where will the non experts go? — Pat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
I watch a low visibility tag and generally am able to answer most questions there. I recently close-voted "needs more focus" something that I understood generally what they wanted to do, but there was no way to really guess what they knew, what would be wasted time on my part, etc. Classic example of this close reason. I think the idea is "if you are walking in a direction I can help you move forward, but if you haven't decided which way to go, I'm not going to answer all of your possible alternatives." — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
 
6:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
The best advice I can give at this point is that you return to the initial question and update it in accordance with what you have learned here. If you do not edit the question and better explain it in the body of the question it will not be opened. All of the clarification in the comments here are of little use here. They need to be aggregated in the body of the question so that the question will be useful to future askers. — user4581301 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Just FYI, I downvoted this because of your attitude, to be frank. You could have invested all this energy into making your So question more clear by adding more details even you deem it unnecessary. Instead, you choose to waste it on comments bashing on volunteer here. I don't understand. This won't help. Please change your so question instead. — Modus Tollens 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pat
The downvotes started even before the meta data post was opened. So now we have new reason, for downvotes, we left behind the main issue - long time ago, right? How can you help if you yourself have such a attitude. If you are following from the original question, see how much support I am and was getting, and new comers will only read the last lines. Before you judge read the whole trail. — Pat 1 min ago
 
7:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomer Shetah
I think you completely misunderstood my question. The new Needs author button is great. What I don't understand is why from this button I can get to blatantly off topic. Or why can I get from flag to Need details or clarity. — Tomer Shetah 6 secs ago
 
7:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@SecurityHound: Can you clarify what you mean by "triage review suspensions"? — einpoklum 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@Y2020-09: I'm not sure I understand your comment. I just asked about the choice of subjects about which I'm served questions to triage. You seem to be talking about other issues...? — einpoklum 44 secs ago
 
8:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I can't help but notice that CodyGray linked to some old posts about Triage. The problem here is that is seems users have been getting review suspensions for making mistakes in Triage as if they should have been making decisions as subject matter experts. So I'm not sure those are valid arguments. — Scratte 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound Compared to the other queues, the amount of posts that one has to Skip in the queue is ridiculously high due to not being able to filter posts. I assume you already well know that if you review even a small amount. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
8:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
The criteria description "improvement" eliminated "too broad". It's not clear that the actual criteria changed. The description was made poorer. — philipxy 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
The criteria description "improvement" eliminated "too broad". It's not clear that the actual criteria changed. The label "needs more focus" still captures the "too broad". (The idea being it phrases the problem in terms of an action addressing it.) The description was made poorer. Typical poor SO/SE documentation choice. — philipxy 20 secs ago
 
9:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Meh.. who cares? I think that Islam, a massive, organized religion, can shrug off such wastes of server space:) — Martin James 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Why didn't the linked question help you? Do you believe there is particular dearth of signposts for that particular dupe target? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@10Rep 'But if I put the indian flag, I am just saying I am indian' no! You are obviously supporting India over the issue of Kashmir sovereignty! I am offended! ( not really, just making the point that some will take offence over anything:) — Martin James 23 secs ago
 
10:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by InQusitive
@PeterMortensen: True, but I noticed the first error a few moments later after I posted this. — InQusitive 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wayne Conrad
@SecurityHound Thjat's my guess. But that the system let it come to a suspension without me every being aware I had done anything wrong, that's unforgivable to me. I'll never review anything here again. — Wayne Conrad 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Scratte - It doesn’t take a SME to determine if a question meets the minimum requirements for a question. — Security Hound just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@einpoklum - Review suspensions caused by choosing the incorrect option while performing Triage reviews. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
You are question blocked due to asking to many questions that were not well received by the community. You were warned of this fact multiple times , this warning was displayed to you, before you submitted your last question — Security Hound 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1 2Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by idmean
+1 "grunts looking for a solution to problems they weren't smart enough to figure out, started posting questions on the site" Thanks for showing the courage to say this. — idmean 2 mins ago
 
10:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Camilo Terevinto
@yivi Should that be just "? Really not sure here — Camilo Terevinto 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Please, do not use code formatting for things not code. Thanks. — yivi 1 min ago
 
11:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
no, it is still missing details or focus or.... so the closed ground that was in a different language and needed to be clarified, is not enough to open it again, simply to close. remove the comment, as it is not longer needed, and explain what is missing. — nbk 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pawello2222
@nbk Thanks, I understood now. I've already followed yivi's guidelines and selected Leave closed. — pawello2222 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@TylerH „At roughly 1/3 score of the question itself“ I say it is borderline. I do not say it is definitely popular nor definitely not popular. The total sum of votes is a lot, so there is obviously some popularity, but the relative votes also mean a lot of people interested in the topic did not find it upvote-worthy. If you were asked to present a „popular answer“, would this be your choice? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
 
12:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by val says Reinstate Monica
@DamienH the "to mars in a car" thing sounds way more plausible 5 years later, apparently — val says Reinstate Monica 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
Looks like question-answering could use a similar treatment. There's one question that only has those 2 tags. — psubsee2003 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@10Rep Uh, the one where you replied to gnat? I deleted that because I deleted gnat's comment linking to a largely-irrelevant historical event, and I don't generally leave replies when I delete the comment to which the reply is directed. Do also note the irony of leaving more comments to discuss comments that were deleted to keep the comments section from getting too noisy... — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Camilo Terevinto
@psubsee2003 Agreed, but didn't want to make this question too broad — Camilo Terevinto 49 secs ago
 
12:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Y2020-09
@einpklum Well, the subject of closing questions is germaine to who is doing the closing. When a new "triage guy" (which, as I said, I was once... but never did it again) starts reviewing questions with languages he doesn't even know - it is only encouraging the telling of new Stack Overflow users that they aren't competent "question askers." Having a giant infrastructure that encourages people to tell new users their questions are bad, rather than a system that encourages providing answers to questions is why people say Stack Overflow isn't a very nice place. — Y2020-09 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Y2020-09
TL;DR Why would you ever close a PHP Question if you don't even know PHP? — Y2020-09 5 secs ago
 
1:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheLeb
@y2020-09 As a new user I agree wholeheartedly. When first discovering the site we new users are shocked by the callousness (ahem Security Hound) of other users, have to jump through absurd hoops to even add a comment to an answer and are still regularly told we didn't do it the right way. Both the site design and the attitude of the community are incredibly negative to new users and although we're grateful for the technical help it often comes with frustration and resentment because of the toxicity of people with leadership roles. — TheLeb 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@KevinB To clarify, the 0% I’m referring to do not include duplicates. Questions incorrectly closed as duplicates frequently get reopened. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
But wouldn't it be better to direct questions to more-domain-knowledgeable people rather than uniformly? ... unless there's queue overflow (pun not intended) on some of the tags, I mean. — einpoklum just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
"Why would you ever close a PHP Question if you don't even know PHP?" <- many reasons. No code; the English part of the question is unintelligible; a "can you write my program for me" question; request for a specific piece of software. But I better understand what you mean now. — einpoklum 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
We're not toxic or callous @TheLeb, people just don't read instructions on how to write a good question. We're not here to help individuals, we're here to make a library of knowledge to help the greater population — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@CodyGray To counter with another aphorism, you seem to be conflating “is” with “ought”. Giving people only a single chance to get it right is a terrible state of affairs, that should be self-evident. — Konrad Rudolph 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mano
@ Security Hound @Samuel Liew. Thank you. And how can i find the warnings. And how can I get out of this ban. Who can help me on this. I have to ask a question that is very useful to me but my account blocked. — Mano 1 min ago
 
2:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Mano - The warning was displayed on the “Ask question” page, as a notification, a moderator could let you know how many times it was displayed. — Security Hound 39 secs ago
 
3:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mano
So I wasted my valuable Stack Overflow account. — Mano 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"With so many deleted questions it will be difficult to get out of a question ban without any of your questions being well received"? 2? 2 is "so many"? There have been users with so many deleted questions Sam had to post 2 comments to list them all, and you're concerned about a user with 2 deleted questions @SecurityHound? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mano
So I wasted my valuable Stack Overflow account. — Mano 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Mano, No, you haven't, your situation is not nearly as dire as some users who have got out of the ban, you need to edit your deleted questions to make them a better fit for the site, undelete them and try to ensure that any future questions are of higher quality. You're not permanently banned from asking, just rate limited and it is possible to get out of it — Nick 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
FWIW, I had a question ban at one point (back when I was new to the site and coding and did pretty much the same standard mistakes as the majority of people). It's possible to get out of it, and even get far if you want to. The #1 thing you'll learn along the way though, is that there's very few questions that haven't already been asked compared to when the site was created. Or, possibly more specifically, all the standard issues people run into have already been asked about - at least hundreds of times — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Of course, it feels a lot harder when certain people (@SecurityHound) make it seem significantly harder to deal with than it actually is. It takes time and patience, and a lot of learning along the way, but you haven't wasted your account unless you make a choice to give up — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mano
@ Nick. But today some of my questions ware deleted by community or some other users. That The questions are Duplicate. What can i do now. — Mano 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Just wait until the edit queue is not full, try again in 15 min or so, most users have to suggest edits for tag wikis, the reputation threshold for editing them directly is quite high. That said, I'd expect SRTP to Secure Real-time Transport Protocol, not what you've said — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Even, really? I think is makes a lot more sense. upload images even provided vs upload images is providedCertainPerformance 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ForceBru
I was thinking about writing a similar post for some time. Situations where "This question currently includes multiple questions in one." indeed seem to be rare, and this close reason is apparently not the "Too broad" that I know and love. So I don't really understand how to close as "too broad" anymore. Also, "too broad" doesn't mean "includes multiple questions": "What is the purpose of life?" is one question, but it's definitely too broad. — ForceBru 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Scratte While you're not wrong on paper, missing code is a very, very, very strong signal of a poor question on SO, be it because there's been no attempt by the OP at all, or because they just haven't bothered to show us what we need to help them. Valid questions without code do exist, particularly the more theoretical ones (e.g. questions about standard wording), though even those are often improved by code and a little suspicious without it. — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
I forgot to say that my question was also marked "-1". This must be from a "high-class" programmer that could not help me. When I will be a good programmer I will try to help anybody new or old, I would not downvote only because I cannot help. To some programmers on this website grow up. — The_Liner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
This must be from a "high-class" programmer that could not help me Or from one who did help you by linking to an earlier question which is addressing pretty much the same issue. Sure, the names of your arguments are different, and they have different types from in the linked question, but it looks like the same issue to me. — CertainPerformance 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@CertainPerformance What do you say about Isn't that why the option to upload images is even provided?Tomerikoo 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Mano Just because they've been deleted doesn't mean you can't edit them. If you edit them well enough there's the potential for them to be undeleted as well. If they were closed as duplicates before deletion (and the closure was wrong), you can edit them to explain in detail why the duplicate doesn't help and then flag them, asking for help undeleting. You can also work on improving your old not deleted posts to try to get upvotes on them. — Nick 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
Read the solution last comment of the ticked answer, that was the solution. Not the answer itself. — The_Liner 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
My question is well elaborated and it simply points out the issue within the code, I could not green tick the last comment otherwise I would have done it. — The_Liner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
And the answer in the duplicate is exactly the same. You got an answer and someone pointed you to an existing question that also helped. What’s the problem exactly? — yivi 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Thanks @Matijn Personally I feel like the double is (in the start and now before "provided") in the sentence is wrong, but I'm not a native so I might be wrong here. — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
So you actually had 2 issues (at least), not just one - remember that SO is meant to be a useful repository of questions and their answers, and not a help desk. To this end, it's good to trim code down to a [MCVE] when posting questions so as to separate unrelated bugs. This makes it more useful to future readers and it'll also help you debug your own code better when everything extraneous is removed. — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
The now-edited version sounds most natural to me. Changing to is even sounds like an odd emphasis. — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
For future reference: because only moderators can edit a locked post, it is probably more efficient to just flag such a post for moderator attention. The community can't really help here. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
@CertainPerformance I did that initially as I carefully read the guidelines on how to ask questions, but that user asked me to post the full source code. I ask everybody with a high rank to read the comments before downvoting a question and give the possbility to the new comers to start learning and beheaving according to the Stackoverflow's rules. — The_Liner 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Yeah I guess is is the correct fix. Thanks and happy it's corrected :) — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
@yivi the other question has nothing to do with my question, I ask you to read the comments of the green ticked answer and you will find out as the green ticked answer is misleading itself. — The_Liner 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I've now edited the sentence to read: Isn't that why we have the option to upload images?Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@ForceBru I totally agree with your last remark and feel like maybe I failed to convey it myself. A question like "What is the purpose of life?" having a close message saying "multiple questions in one" doesn't really tell the OP what they need to do to get the question re-opened. Also, I believe that "Needs more focus" can apply to both "multiple questions" AND "too broad" - just needs the appropriate description and message — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You misunderstand the point of comments. The answer in the duplicate is almost exactly the same as the one you accepted as the one that solved your issue. That you had multiple issues that were uncovered with comments is besides the point. If anything you should have updated the question with those details. But in the end it’s not like the question was going to be useful for future visitors. But you got an answer, isn’t that good enough? — yivi 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Good point, I see the edit history. Your original question was a good [MCVE] (which was linked to a proper earlier question), but after the argument issue was solved you had a different, unrelated problem with scope, which should've been posted as a separate question (or solved through some research without another question). Check out this discussion on chameleon questions if you want - in short, editing a question to ask something different should be avoided — CertainPerformance 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@MartijnPieters thanks again, that last version indeed sound better (in my opinion...). And thanks for the reference, I didn't think of flagging - that does sound more appropriate ^_^ — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
I do not want to argue about anything I just want a fair tratment to the new comers and give them the possbility to learn by themselves and I can guarantee you if ever I get a high rank on this website, I would not be impatient and and "ready to downvote", but in fact try to guide the new comers to provide better information so I can help them out. From it, they ,aay start to learn by themselves how to ask an effective qeustion instead of attacking them with downvotes. My point is to give at least one chance to improve without intervene. — The_Liner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
@yivi I had an answer, but also the person who anwered to my question can update it with the relevant asnwer so it will not mislead people who are trying to find similar issues to mine. I apologize to create confusion as I am new but I will try my best to be more conisistent and precise in the future. — The_Liner 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Liner
@CertainPerformance I never had more than two question, my question was simply "how to call a method (containing a variable with a value) from another class". But evidently the way I asked was wrong, but I will be more technically specific next time. — The_Liner 1 min ago
 
4:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
" I consider this act childish" . Shouldn't you get a better understanding of SO over a bit of time before making such assertions? — charlietfl 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
This is why abbreviations are bad in tags. They're ambiguous. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
35 characters. If this is the only usage, just remove it and create the new tag. The existing one will self-destruct tomorrow. — Catija ♦ 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Zoe - I think your comment is unfair, it is difficult to improve your questions enough, to be lift a question ban. Most users are unsuccessful in that task, in most cases, in only happens after 6 months and they ask a well received question (for others it never happens). I took a look at the author’s list of questions, most of them, don’t have a single upvote. — Security Hound 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chechy Levas
@Catija I was about to disagree with you. Then I googled "SRTP" and I see that it also stands for "Secure Real-Time Transport Protocol". Is there a limit on long a tag can be? If not, how can I change this tag to statically-resolved-type-paramter? — Chechy Levas 1 min ago
 
4:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“It does not make sense you can compare my question to the one already on the website and tell clearly the differences of the context.” - It absolutely does; Your issue was a syntax issue surrounding the constructor of a Java class, the answer to the duplicate, explained what that problem was. In fact, the accepted answer to your question, indicates the same thing as the answers to the duplicate question — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“I ask everybody with a high rank to read the comments before downvoting a question” - Relevant information shouldn’t be contained within a comment, it should be contained within the body of the question, and unnecessary commentary flagged for removal — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
4:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Just for clarification: With positively scored answers, is it protected from automatic deletion? — Peter Mortensen 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It was deleted on 2020-10-31T164559Z+0. — Peter Mortensen 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
What do you mean by "suggestion tags"? — Nick 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "The solution is found in the last comment under the green ticked answer": That could quickly change. What comment are you referring to? Currently, the last comment is "Thank you just woke me up, this was the solution gameManager.surname". — Peter Mortensen 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Melchia
oops I meant suggested tags — Melchia 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The question was deleted on 2020-10-31T164559Z+0 (the Stack Exchange clock seems to be ahead by about 10 seconds). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound It takes one to determine that it's OK. And sometimes a post is closed because it looks like it's not OK. It would be really great do be able to filter posts there, so it wasn't such a skip-queue. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
5:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound It takes one to determine that it's OK. And sometimes a post is closed because it looks like it's not OK. It would be really great do be able to filter posts there, so it wasn't such a skip-queue. If one can see a post needs information and one decides to not skip it, and then author adds it after the post is reviewed, then what?.. If one isn't an SME, they can't tell if it's OK. Retracting the flag is saying it is OK. Keeping the flag there is saying it's not OK. That's a pickle. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
5:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
@PeterMortensen Closed dupes will never roomba if they have answers. It will also not roomba if question has 0 or positive score. Closed non-dupes will roomba if no answers have positive score and no answers are accepted — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Scratte - It absolutely does not take a SME to determine if a question can be edited by a community user. — Security Hound 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@MartinJames that is true. People will take offense at pretty much everything, no? Especially at something like this, which is why I said no. — 10 Rep 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@TheLeb - I stopped taking part in the Stack Overflow community years ago, primarily due to users like yourself, who were offensively rude towards other users. Even I can see the irony in that fact. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@TheLeb - I stopped taking part in the Stack Overflow community years ago, primarily due to users like yourself, who were offensively rude towards other users. Even I can see the irony in that fact. The fact I hold a different viewpoint doesn’t make me callous or toxic. Serial downvoting my profile in another community, because in hold a different viewpoint is toxic, which is the reason I left — Security Hound 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound It absolutely does take an SME to see if a post has enough information be OK with an edit from someone else than author. How do you know if there's enough information or if the post is really a typo and should be closed if you're not familiar with the tag? — Scratte 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Scratte - I personally perform basic research, if I can’t determine if the question contains enough information, I skip the review. But I can tell if a question meets the minimum requirements for a question typically. — Security Hound 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nav
Glad to hear this. Hope the improved dark theme could be extended to all StackExchange websites too. It's a relief from the bright white backgrounds. — Nav 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound Reviewing based on "meets the minimum requirements for a question" is likely to get one review suspended. One needs to be sure in that queue. I'm also not comfortable with the message that comment sends to new reviewers, as they are the most likely to fall into that trap of thinking they can tell if a Question is fine based on this metric. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
In other news, I still find it incredibly annoying that I have Tag Wiki edit privileges, but cannot unilaterally approve a Tag Wiki edit suggestion, nor can I make my own edit if a suggested edit is in play. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1937198
@dumbledad, No &lt; is the standard method for how google (and any other machine reading html including your browser) knows that you mean the < as textual content, and not part of the markup of the text body. — user1937198 52 secs ago
 
6:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I use that metric and I have never been suspended from performing a review. I also clearly indicated I do basic research before choosing any option while performing a review. We clearly won’t agree on this subject. I have seen a ton of “I have been suspended from performing reviews”, and in nearly ever case, the review was about a question that didn’t meet the minimum requirements for a question. Specifically, the question was so bad, nobody but the user could improve it. In those cases, the users being suspended, choose “needs edit” nearly every time — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
6:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I'm always inclined to check a profile for the "Reviewer" and the "Steward" badge when they say that they use a metric that for others usually results in review suspensions. "It absolutely does not take a SME to determine if a question can be edited by a community user." is exactly the "Needs community edit", which is the one users mostly get suspended for. I'm not sure what you're really trying to say. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
6:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Doesn't this exist? In my experience they are clickable. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
7:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Melchia
They are clickable but when you click you display more details about the tag. We can move this behavior to hover instead. — Melchia 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think you see this when a user has posted their own Answer on multiple Questions. Meaning they're identical to their own other Answer. — Scratte 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"I don't mean like copy-paste where every letter is the same." ... then why do you reference a mod message where that was the subject matter? — Tom 56 secs ago
 
7:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
If only there was a way to "flag" reviewers, after looking at that review @Scratte linked and seeing the three "Looks OK" responses to it, there certainly should be. — Lankymart 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? Standard for machine learning questionsgnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart Not to worry. A moderator was already notified of that review. — Scratte 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte doesn't stop those people from reviewing though, they need a review finishing school or maybe just a lesson in basic common sense. — Lankymart 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel
I think this should be resolved, as just a typical user I don't know which one I should post my nginx questions to... — Daniel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@kristinalustig I hope you do not mind that I remove the link now, as it seems to be.. attracting attention. — Scratte just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart That is beyond the scope of this post. But they are likely review suspended (which indeed does stop them from reviewing) and I believe the notification they get is linked to documentation of how to review. Reviewing is hard. A lot of it is based on intuition and opinion. Not just on the information in the help center. I learned it by reading meta.. a lot. I do not think implying users lack common sense is very constructive. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrickkx
@Tom Please be nice. Im just asking. There's no info what exactly is an "identical answer". — Patrickkx 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrickkx
@Scratte When you have enough rep you can see deleted answers, they are just pushed down below the answers and dimmed a little bit. — Patrickkx 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
You're not being asked to assess the question content but the structure, is it clearly defined?, does the title make sense?, if it's a debugging problem has at least some code been included? None of this requires domain knowledge of the subject matter, just a bit if common sense. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@einpoklum No, because simply put, there isn't enough reviewers and by filtering the reviewers by their favorite tags you just end up watering it down further. — Lankymart 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte Never raised a mod flag against a review (didn't realise you could). I don't need to imply anything the facts speak for themselves. Reviewing isn't hard it just takes patience and a degree of common sense and suggesting otherwise is just making excuses for click happy reviewers who should't be reviewing in the first place. — Lankymart 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Yes, I know. The reputation threshold is 10K. Which is what is puzzling me :) When you refer to a "moderator", do you mean a ♦ diamond moderator? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart Right. Thank you. I'll stop reviewing now, since I think it's hard. And no, you cannot raise a flag on a review. Use the options the site gives you if you want to flag one. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
The question states that they're able to do fast-forward but not "fast backward" which makes it sound like they're trying to make it rewind, but then just say "play backwards". Then in the code comments they say they want it to go backwards "with more playback rate". That part is a bit confusing. I'm also not sure why you think they want it at a user definable speed, unless that's something that's obvious from elsewhere int the code itself. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte Don't take my comments personally, I'm just saying what's hard about it? Does it read like a question (title clear, clear problem defined)?, If it's a debugging question is appropriate information provided, such as; error descriptions, sample code etc.? If you're feeling confident, is it a question that has already been answered before? Assessing a question based on these questions takes time and patience but it's not hard. — Lankymart 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdhmoore
Indeed, there is such a thing as a lazy close vote as well. — xdhmoore 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart I prefer "HowTo" Querstion. I find them very tricky to review to the extend that I find it hard to evaluate if the post will or will not get closed. Seeing the future is hard for me. Knowing that if I do not flag it in review, I will get suspended if it's later closed. More trickiness to the mix. It gets easier with time.. The clear cases are not what I'm referring to. But even those were hard for me at first. I'm not sure what the aim is here. Telling someone that something they find hard is easy for someone else, and should be easy for them, isn't motivating. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrickkx
@Scratte Yes, probably the diamond moderator :) — Patrickkx 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte that's what Skip is for. — Lankymart 31 secs ago
 
9:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@Patrickkx I'm nice and I'm just asking as well. — Tom 1 min ago
 
9:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
@Lankymart I think we should try to optimize the rate of reviews and the accuracy of reviews in the Triage queue. Clearly the OP and I both reduce our rate and/or accuracy under the current system. I suggest one possible way to optimize the system. — Timur Shtatland 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@SecurityHound That doesn't mean all of them are bad, or that none of them can be improved. It's also worth keeping in mind that the actual motivation, as well as the access to help matters. Most people don't bother trying - some even just make more accounts to bypass it until they get IP banned. Showing effort on meta is still an attempt in the right direction, even if this ended up getting closed as a duplicate. Also, lots of people not being able to do it does not mean you get to take away people's motivation. Saying "give up" is NOT okay — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
By allowing people to review their watched tags you end up watering down the review process, tags with high traffic will see my reviews completed while low traffic tags will be left to stagnate in the review queue. — Lankymart just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdhmoore
This question and discussion is several years old now but i haven't seen a clear answer from SO employees about it. — xdhmoore 1 min ago
 
9:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
What flag are you using and if it's custom, what additional information are you providing with the report? — user4581301 55 secs ago
 
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