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12:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Doesn't an edit bump it into the reopen review queue? You haven't adressed that in your question. I'll change my downvote to an upvote if you do, because it's a big part of reopening questions. — 10 Rep 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
And you can also go post a reopen-pls request in SOCVR, but make sure to read the FAQ. — 10 Rep 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marquizzo
@toolic Thank you for that link! That person outlines another reason why the "unfollow post" feature would be very helpful. However, it does not answer my question, since only answer suggests that my "mute notifications" request would be the best solution to solve the problem. — Marquizzo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marquizzo
@AlexeiLevenkov but the only answer in that post clearly explains why disassociation has undesired effects that wouldn't happen if there was a new "unfollow thread" feature. — Marquizzo 11 secs ago
 
12:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
Do you have some hard statistics on what percentage of questions that go into the reopen queue age out (and therefore are not reopened) vs the ones that get acted upon (either reopened or voted to stay closed). — 1201ProgramAlarm 1 min ago
 
1:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Realistically it is hard to see this as an answer to a feature-request post... Indeed it is nice to let OP know how to deal with it but they are requesting feature and not exactly looking for answer scoped to they particular case to my understanding. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Leffler
Retagging the HTML/CSS questions to use html-heading seems the right thing to do. For the other uses, I don't have enough grounding in the geographic area to know whether the direction and bearing are replacements for heading. But the tag information for heading should be created and should firmly point at the other tags — at least until it is expunged. — Jonathan Leffler 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Sorry, I though you interested in options for your particular case... Indeed it is not a good solution for general case. I don't see this FR as necessary (as I icon with number of comments does not bother me) but I see for someone else it may be useful, especially if they want to really reply to all comments. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Maybe we should introduce reopen queue? Would be very quick implementation of the FR... I'm not really sure what this FR actually proposes so... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marquizzo
Thanks, Samuel. I saw this question that mentions a second scenario where this "unfollow" feature would be useful. If you read the comments under the question, it seems to have lost steam without an official resolution from a mod because it didn't have the [feature-request] tag. However, the accepted answer has +71 points, and states that the only viable solution is if an "unfollow" option existed. — Marquizzo 1 min ago
 
1:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I will speculate that if you look at the timeline for those posts, they went into the reopen queue and users just voted to keep them closed :( — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@10Rep If a user votes to reopen, which they have said they did, it gets pushed into the reopen queue, no? :) — Scratte 1 min ago
 
2:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Bennett
In this particular case, I think this user is the real problem, and it's important that they actually get feedback about how problematic their behaviour is. One user who keeps behaving like that can be big demotivator for lots of question answerers. — Steve Bennett 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotThatGuy
@Scratte The same dialog has similar-sounding options for very different use cases that sends the post to very different places without any clear indication of this. I'm sure that's not at all confusing nor error-prone for less experienced users... This is especially confusing because many of the posts that need to be closed do not "need improvement", but rather has severe content problems and are unlikely to be salvageable through editing (which kind of sounds familiar...). — NotThatGuy 1 min ago
 
2:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
The user already got feedback. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
2:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Scratte But it does, doesn't it? Any edit made by the OP after their question was closed will be pushed into the queue, no? Or am I missing something here? — 10 Rep just now
 
3:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@10Rep No, the first edit by any user (that did not close the question), will push it into the queue, it doesn't matter if it's OP or not. Eve half-assed edits from the suggested edit queue will push the question into the reopen queue if approved. — Nick 33 secs ago
 
3:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ina
Well, just saying that SO is a tough environment to learn in if you don't have grit. You don't need grit to be a self-learner - you can just passively watch free youtube videos etc... but you might not survive on SO. — ina 1 min ago
 
3:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AskNilesh
 
4:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Nick Really? That sucks a lot, And I feel the question should adress that. — 10 Rep 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
I'm sure it's possible. However, whether or not it's plausible is another matter. You may like to suggest a "beta site" on the Stack Exchange network, but probably best to ask that on the Main Meta Site. — Adrian Mole 7 secs ago
 
4:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
Having taken a short tour of your site, I can see that its layout and structure are, indeed, very similar to those of the SE system. However, although I imagine that it would be relatively straightforward (but not trivial) for the SE devs to work up software that could quickly convert the databases of questions, answer, badges and karma (love that, BTW), the main issue I would foresee is that of user accounts. You can't just auto-migrate those - each individual would have to 'sign up' to SE's Terms and Conditions, for example. — Adrian Mole 30 secs ago
 
5:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The vast majority of these questions do not look like they would be on-topic for Stack Overflow. However, they might be a good fit for a new or existing Stack Exchange site. That's a discussion that really should be had on the global Meta site, Meta Stack Exchange. I'd migrate this question there, but based on the title and body, you seem to have been thinking specifically of migrating to Stack Overflow. — Cody Gray ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I am very opposed to adding a "mute" feature. Telling you to flag for moderator attention is not a "workaround"—it is the solution. A "mute" feature would only solve the problem for you, leaving the mess for everyone else who runs across it, and, furthermore, letting the user go on annoying others in a similar manner. Flagging for moderator attention gets a moderator to step in and solve the problem once and for all. Remember that this is not a discussion site or a chat forum. Ignoring users isn't the answer. We're building a library of Q&A for others that will stand the test of time. — Cody Gray ♦ 39 secs ago
 
5:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
 
6:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@Christian, I agree with Cody. I think you should edit the question and flag it for migration to Meta Stack Exchange. — 41686d6564 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by singhviku
thank you @Peter Mortensen for wonderful editing — singhviku 1 min ago
 
6:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
you may be interested in examples of sites that migrated to Stack Exchange in the past, namely MathOverflow and Hashcode.rugnat 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
 
 
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7:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by T.J. Crowder
@3limin4t0r - ES2015 doesn't, but that feature enables more than just ES2015 features -- just not that one. The problem is that SE hasn't updated the version of Babel standalone that it uses in years. — T.J. Crowder 51 secs ago
 
8:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
And that is the reason why you should not post answers as comments. Put them in the answer box. — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
why didn't you show us the link, also there i a decline optin for unnecessary edits — nbk 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
If these were the only changes, (and the language hadn't already been correctly detected via tags or some other magic), I would absolutely reject them. There's no need to explicitly specify the language if it's already correctly inferred — Nick 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Janus Bahs Jacquet
Wait, what’s wrong with writing your questions in the speech of Mordor? I’ve been doing that since forever… did I miss a memo? — Janus Bahs Jacquet 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If the syntax-highlighting was not being correctly applied (which happens sometimes), it's not a bad edit on itself. Changing code-style is a grayer area. The kind of edit you describe (two equally legible ways of writing code, simply adhering to different styles), is logically redundant. I imagine the error in "the right way to do it" is simply that, and not intended to be part of the question, right? — yivi 1 min ago
 
9:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Druckles
@yivi I've added screenshots for your viewing pleasure :-) — Druckles 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Druckles
@nbk I'm not in the habit of calling people out. Also, the question is whether it is unnecessary or not. — Druckles 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Looking at the examples given (assuming no more edits in the posts), I'd reject both as superfluous/no improvement — Nick 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@10Rep Why should this post address that? The topic of this post is basically: What to do when a closed edited Question doesn't get reopened? It has to be focused, so it can't address everything, including: How does it enter the queue? But alas, it was closed anyway :( — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
This has been a feature request since 2012: Can we have a link back to the original question when improving an edit?. This is not specific to Stack Overflow, hence it was posted on Meta Stack Exchange. — user4642212 1 min ago
 
9:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@10Rep Just empirically, it’s obvious that bumping it to the reopen queue is completely ineffectual. I thought my question addressed that (though not in so many words). — Konrad Rudolph 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Scratte That’s indeed an interesting speculation but, from my experience, that’s not what’s happening. — Konrad Rudolph 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@1201ProgramAlarm The hard statistics from all the ones I am involved in is that 0% (zero per cent) get reopened. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
It’s also incredibly disappointing to have all this comment discussion, yet the question is closed as an alleged “duplicate” of other, ancient discussions that it’s patently not a duplicate of. Related, yes. But not a duplicate. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
+, ? and # have special meanings in URLs, they can't really just get put into links — Nick 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
@Nick Hence this post requesting # and + to be represented as s and p, respectively, in URLs. — user4642212 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
The URL slugs aren’t meant to be read and fully understood by humans. They aid searching through your browser history, and they’re a bit friendlier than just numbers, but they’re not meant to be complete. — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@user4642212 Except it requests # is used in non C# questions, + in non C++ questions, and ? in all cases, so that point doesn't really hold — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@JeanneDark I’m aware of that, thanks (I even voted on it). But as an answer there acknowledges, it shouldn’t be reposted if it is in fact a duplicate. This is patently not the case here, and this is explained in this question. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You might be interested on the data presented on this answer. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
“Re-posted since the original was inappropriately closed […]” — If you disagree with duplicate closure, the appropriate steps to follow are here: "This question already has answers here" - but it does not. What can I do when I think my question's not a duplicate?, i.e. edit your original post. The wording of the post notice is controversial and has been under discussion since its introduction here: “You can edit the question or post a new one”. — user4642212 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@KonradRudolph Fair enough. But you can check just to be sure, no? About the closure of this post. I'm very disappointed with it too. It feels like the issue is just getting swept under the rug. — Scratte 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
This is still not fixed for duplicates. — user4642212 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
If a post isn't a duplicate, edit the original to explain why and it'll get re-opened, don't just re-post it — Nick 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Or, simply other users feel the linked posts adequately address the question (as much as it's possible to address it, with the presented data and the unclear feature-request tag), and that there is no other greater "issue" to be swept anywhere. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Scratte Yes, I think it’s a valid point, and I did check that for a handful of questions. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
And yet, you don't propose any feature. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@yivi I simply don’t agree with that, not least because this question (but not the others) is very intentionally tagged feature-request. The other questions will never elicit a reaction from Stack Overflow — they have been addressed in the past, and the response has been inadequate. This needs to be addressed from scratch. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The feature request tag is meant as a way to propose concrete features. And your post does not make a suggestion, simply states a vague goal, without data to support why the goal is necessary or desirable, and without any suggestion (vague or otherwise) about how that goal could be accomplished. — yivi 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
The "flutter-widget" tag does not add any information, either way. Knowing that the person uses widgets in their Flutter app is of no value when trying to assess whether I can help with the question, because everybody does. Instead the post should be tagged with tags that do carry information. For example a specific widget (Button, ListView, etc) or a specific non widget problem (BLoC, APK, signatures, etc). — nvoigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Nick The original already contains that explanation. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@yivi I don’t propose a concrete feature but the text above does make a suggestion. — Konrad Rudolph 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
The change of being reopened is 100% dependent on the ability of askers to answer questions that can be recovered. Most of them aren't - that's why reopening doesn't happen. As long as people ask bad questions that cannot be recovered, reopening chances won't change. That's based on a system issue that's being worked on more or less constantly — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Are there statistics to back up your claims? (Not trying to shoot you down, on the contrary, trying to see actual numbers instead of anecdotal evidence.) I'm following most questions I close, and I actually reopen some, but such is the privilege of a moderator… If that doesn't work for regulars, I'd indeed be interested to see some discussion about that. — deceze ♦ 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
But how do you then differentiate between a question about C# and a question about CS (in one of its meanings - pick and choose, which is irrelevant)? The title already covers it anyway (both the tab title and the on-page title) — Zoe 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Zoe I 100% agree (the very first sentence says so). But I’m obviously not talking about that subset of questions. — Konrad Rudolph 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@deceze I’d love such numbers but getting them would require a monumental amount of work, since you can’t automate this: you’d have to trawl through the questions manually and assess whether they actually had substantial edits that address the reasons for closure. That’s why I think the numbers from my experience are informative: I’m actively involved in question closure and reopening (because I now “follow” them), and my 0% reopen success rate is the empirical evidence I have. — Konrad Rudolph just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Shog9's Answer to Can we talk about the voting culture here on Meta? has some good suggestions of how to create feature-requests, in case you haven't read it yet. — Scratte 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
In addition to what Nick and user4642212 already said, note that tags (e.g., language names) shouldn't really go in the title. — 41686d6564 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Also, ? cannot be used sensibly. ? is used to separate GET arguments from the URL itself. And honestly, the contents of the URL are of no importance. As long as it vaguely represents the title, it's good enough — Zoe 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
This. is also a good read if one wants to propose a change. — yivi 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Answering It All
@41686d6564 Okay, that could make sense. I mean, they have tags anyways so its easier to just read it like that. Like I said, leave this alone instead and close it up, so I can delete it for once. — Answering It All 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@yivi I hear you. If I had a magical solution I would have offered it. I don’t, which is why the feature request is paired with a discussion. I fundamentally don’t think that makes it a worthless or invalid feature request. I am requesting a feature, and finding and developing this feature requires discussion. — Konrad Rudolph 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Answering It All
@Zoe Like I said, don't take this question seriously. You can leave it alone now. I will delete it once it gets closed. — Answering It All 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@AnsweringIt I'm not sure why you are so defensive. We're merely presenting counterarguments (which is normal for feature requests). Nothing personal :) Moreover, you can actually delete a question without it being closed (assuming that you do want to delete it). — 41686d6564 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@yivi By the way, thanks for the link to the data. Unfortunately I think the data is even less useful than my (admittedly) extremely limited data from own experience, which I’ve explained in a reply to deceze (besides which the linked data is obviously ancient and no longer even captures the current close reasons accurately). — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
What is so bad about a 2.5 year old content to mark it as ancient? I frequently read 10 year old posts and often they feel spot on. — Trilarion 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Trilarion Our edits crossed. I’ve added a concrete feature request now. — Konrad Rudolph 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Kinda sorta. It was deleted, undeleted, and redeleted, triggering a double deletion notification. Undeletion didn't clear the first one, so while this is technically a bug, it isn't really worth fixing. Double deletion happens extremely rarely anyway — Zoe 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@yivi Actually you have a point. I’ve added a concrete feature request now. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
This isn’t specific to Stack Overflow, but I didn’t find a report about this issue on Meta Stack Exchange. I did notice this on two occasions, though, and made chat aware of it: [1], [2]. — user4642212 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
A similar sentiment was my motivation for (re-)proposing the follow feature as well. Dispersing the close/reopen power among all users of the site makes little sense. It'd be a lot more helpful to keep the original close-voters in the loop instead of shunting that job off to entirely unrelated randos in the reopen queue. — deceze ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iLuvLogix
@Zoe interesting - thanks for the info.. I agree that technically it's sort of 'unclean' while the chances of this scenario reoccuring for a lot of users is very slim.. — iLuvLogix 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"Re-posted..." That's not a good idea. A reposting with almost identical content is an obvious duplicate and will most likely just be closed. It's better to concentrate on reopening the original question. Of course since the question is about difficulties in reopening this could result in catch 22. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Trilarion I can’t say I feel the same: Stack Overflow 10 years ago was a completely different place in almost every regard. The pace of change at Stack Overflow may feel glacial from the perspective of an instant but there is change. In this concrete case, the site handled close votes differently 2.5 years ago, question asking was different 2.5 years ago, and the “follow” function didn’t exist. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@deceze While I can understand the sentiment, I believe there are way too many more questions that are closed, get edited, and remain unfit for the site (or remain dupes) than the other way around. Getting automated notifications/following on every close-vote would be seriously noisy and not productive. The "follow" feature at least makes the process opt-in, which I think is as it should be. — yivi 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I've seen this on multiple occasions and couldn't figure out why! I agree that need for it to be fixed is low, but an explanation for the reason is a blessing :) — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@yivi Agreed. But the follow feature has proven quite positive, I feel. (Speaking entirely anecdotally, unfortunately.) I'm not saying that all close votes should lead to a compulsive follow, but it's absolutely worth it to rethink this workflow. — deceze ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flux
 
11:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
I for one would be interested to try getting a notification after first reopen vote (from some other user) on a question where I am one of close voters — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@gnat That’s an excellent suggestion, could you make it an answer? — Konrad Rudolph just now
 
11:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Admittedly, there are cases where this is not just necessary, but required. Auto-detection of language is pretty horrible after the migration to highlight.js — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Do you mean closed posts (like your example that is closed as a duplicate) or locked posts? — Jeanne Dark just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You mean "closed", right? — yivi 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Yes, @yivi, will edit. Poor word choice as for other communities the words are synonyms. — Larnu 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I think that the official answer is "a few hours, if the client-side validation fails". This came up a few times, and the answer is always more or less the same. I imagine the vagueness is intentional. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Larnu It also states that they disable the "Post your answer" checkbox, you have to manually re-enable that, it's not at all clear in your question what you mean by only some benefiting from it, this applies to all questions — Nick 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
That answer, however, states "We don't block answers that are "in flight" at the time of close, the window for answering -- assuming you've started composing an answer before the question is closed -- is about 4 hours.", and I can assure you that is not true from my experience, @Nick . I make that very much clear in my question That answer is, however, 9 years old, so I wouldn't be surprised that the the statement is no longer applicable. — Larnu 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"it's not at all clear in your question what you mean by only some benefiting from it" because I have never "benefited" from being able to answer a closed question, even by mere seconds, @Nick, where as I have seen others do so multiple times. It's not that specific questions benefit, but that some users do. If there is a grace period for those already answering a question then that grace period should be applicable to all users, not just some because unknown reason here. — Larnu 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The unknown reason is "client side validation fails". I.e. they managed (intentional or because of a JS error) to click the "post answer" button after the question was closed, and before "a few hours" had passed. — yivi 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Which leads me to the latter point the closing point of "From a UX perspectively that isn't particularly "fair" (especially when you put effort into answering) and feels like the behaviour is more a "bug" (feature?) than by design." @yivi . — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pac0
About the deletion: I think it's helpful that the question is asked and stays there even if the feature won't be accepted, as it serves as history and reference if (or when) someone has the same proposal again. And feature request not being accepted is not usually linked with such a question being closed on meta. — Pac0 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@ErikA I'm told that the dev route Shog9 used still exists and is usable but is only meant to rewrite bar.example.com to foo.example.com. it can't replace/add stuff in the path part of the url. — rene 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pac0
Also not that the downvotes you may get usually don't reflect the quality of the question (as in main Stack Overflow), but rather the disapproval of voter on the feature itself, and downvote are harmless for reputation on meta. — Pac0 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by n49o7
To an observer, the bearing is the angle between North and the (rhumb) line to an object. The heading is indeed the direction the observer is facing relative to North. — n49o7 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Helpful: https://stackoverflow.com/help/bounty They needn't accept your answer but award the bounty to it, else your answer needs to have been posted after the bounty was started and gained enough upvotes ("If you do not award your bounty within 7 days (plus the grace period), the highest voted answer created after the bounty started with a minimum score of 2 will be awarded half the bounty amount (or the full amount, if the answer is also accepted)."). Did your answer not gain enough upvotes? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
 
12:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
How about this question? Retag to title? — Sinatr 1 min ago
 
1:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
Looking at all those bearing, heading, orientation, navigation, position, direction, etc. I think we have a bigger problem here. Someone has decided how to use tag (e.g. orientation is about page orientation), but there are 100 other cases. Imho, to disallow misusing there should be no "heading", but rather "html-heading", "gps-heading", "whatelse-heading", which make mistakes impossible. So yes, "heading" should go. — Sinatr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GMB
I am the author of the said answer. For what it's worth: (1) I did not get the notification banner that the question had been closed. (2) I did not start composing the answer before it was closed; I usually type my answer in a text editor before copy/pasting it to the site, which is what I did here. I agree with @Larnu that it would be great if the rules could be "officially" clarified, so everyone can better understand the process. — GMB 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BrianM
@CamiloTerevinto Thank you for bringing this up. I was still somewhat new to the question asking, and was totally confused on why my answer was deleted. I recall even putting a comment on my question asking why it was deleted, and it looks like the comment was deleted as well. I feel if a moderator is going to delete an answer they should put a comment explaining why they did it so that we can learn from it. — BrianM 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
I made several proposals for fixing the way closed questions go into the reopen queue in this answer. — Adriaan 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
As a side-note, you cannot ping the close voters, unless they cast a binding close vote (gold badge dupe hammer or mod), you'd have to ping them on posts they have interacted with otherwise to be able to do that. — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Camilo Terevinto
@BrianM Don't worry too much about it, it was a mistake, it's common for people to post answers that don't add any value and for moderators to delete them. The comment was deleted after this Q&A, since it was handled — Camilo Terevinto 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
The close-voters are the best candidates to convince them join the other side, but this kind of notification could become annoying if question is still poor, especially if they have to spend time again to see it. So first reopen vote is a poor trigger. Trigger has to somehow guarantee what at least now it's worth to have a look. — Sinatr 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I wonder why this is a problem at all. Isn't there a reopen review queue? If it isn't clogged, closed questions should get quite a number of eyes looking at them. On the other hand, most closed questions do not improve even with edits, is my experience. Maybe the close vote review queue should be blocked if the reopen review queue is full for example has more than a couple of hundred entries. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
This is not my experience. I see plenty of closed questions get re-opened, even ones that should not be re-opened. — toolic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
I would not want to be included in this experiment by default. Users should opt-in before getting notifications. — toolic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
By default, I don't want a notification. I already routinely use the "Active" tab to see which questions that I am interested in have been updated. If this feature were to be implemented, it should disabled by default, and users should opt-in. — toolic 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@Sinatr there can't be a guaranteed good trigger, and even if there was one, it would better go not to close voters but to moderators for binding reopen. I proposed prior reopen vote only as a means to limit amount of notifications, expecting the experiment to find out whether this trigger is good enough or too unreliable — gnat 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is cleaning up
Right angle is for quote formatting. Please use code formatting instead: either three back-ticks at the start and end of the blocks, or 4-space indentation. — E_net4 is cleaning up 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
It's not a bug, that's not code. — jonrsharpe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by InQusitive
Why is the negative vote? — InQusitive 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by InQusitive
@E_net4iscleaningup: Hmm after stackoverflow changed the color format, not able to understand in code format or block format :) — InQusitive 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by InQusitive
Down voters are flooding to my post :) — InQusitive 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@toolic I considered proposing explicit opt-in but after some thinking hesitated to add it because some may complain that this will make significant potentially interested audience unaware of the experiment. I am still chewing it, trying to figure a way to push it through with less friction, maybe have a banner or maybe something like first time opt-in ("click yes if you want to keep getting these notifications" at first time it pops up) or maybe something else — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by InQusitive
@user4642212: Yes, I understood my mistake. Thanks. — InQusitive 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
you had me at "the onus is on the asker... " :) — toolic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"However, the flag was declined" - on a comment calling someone an ignorant mother fer?, nice. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I don't think it was a mistake (as in a misclick). I also saw that comment and flagged it as "unfriendly or unkind" and was declined as well. I don't consider it it "harassment", but I certainly consider such a comment "unfriendly". I hadn't realized the flag had been declined until I saw this question and I recognized the comment. I guess that that the comment is gone is the important thing in any case. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 flags comments
@yivi I too had that confirmed by another third party: a moderator declined the flag, no question. As my current reasoning sides with this being too out-of-line for just an unfriendly flag, this question serves to understand exactly what went through the process of handling the flag and what we should be doing in the future. — E_net4 flags comments 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Whenever I'm in doubt, I reach for the NLN flags. Those are harmless and frictionless. I imagine the mod thought we should have done that in this case. I can't say I agree, but I can live with it. — yivi 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1937198
Maybe sending things to the reopen queue should be an explicit opt in that an editor can choose once. This would allow editors to defer sending to the reopen queue posts that they know are insufficient, whilst make it clear to the OP that they need to get everything sorted before sending to the queue. — user1937198 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chindraba
If the flag, which ever one was used, got the comment examined by the mods, it was "helpful". NLN, R/A, Unkind? Don't matter, still don't belong. — Chindraba 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@user1937198 Maybe. I think that's been mentioned elsewhere as well. I think that the effect that would have would be mostly accidental (by some users missing out in the hypothetical checkbox). I don't think that adding UI friction is way to go, but having smarter flows and triggers. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Unfortunately, giving a post a tag only helps if the post has no tags associated with languages currently. If the post already has a tag associated with a highlight language, adding another tag (like Java) is likely to make things worse unless one also manually styles each code block with the right language, see meta.stackoverflow.com/q/401573 for details. — CertainPerformance 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by csgillespie
"the onus is on the asker... " - you are assuming that no questions are closed incorrectly — csgillespie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@csgillespie No, I'm not assuming such thing at all. Rather, it's you the one making assumptions about my thought process. But I think that's not the problem this question tries to address, but that of the questions that are closed and later fixed. In any case, relaying on the close-voters for "questions closed incorrectly" seems rather inefficient, for that the second part of the answer, optimizing the way the reopen queue worked, would be a better fit. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1937198
I'm thinking more on trying to make the fact that you get exactly one attempt to edit to trigger the reopen queue a bit more clear at the point of the edit might help. — user1937198 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@toolic One could argue that you’re opting in by close-voting. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
There’s a lot of good stuff in this answer but I intensely dislike the first sentence. You (like many of us, occasionally me included!) seem to forget how hard it is to ask a good question. Let there be no doubt, it’s really hard. I know many very intelligent, highly educated people (we’re talking post-PhD level here) who have difficulty understanding what relevant context to include into a programming-related question, and which details are important vs. which ones aren’t. The questions we’re talking about here are by these people: well-intentioned, intelligent, diligent but inexperienced — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Dvorak
"It is not in the interest of this community that users who think it is okay to post that kind of attacks are given a warning [or] a second chance" - disagree. Sometimes people do learn. — John Dvorak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 flags comments
@JohnDvorak Alas, although anecdotal, an attempt at instructing the author of this particular comment did not go well. It's not uncommon (I'd dare say it's more common) for a poster of offensive comments to follow up with more heated comments than to learn the lesson. — E_net4 flags comments 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Konrad It's not about the posters being well-intentioned, intelligent, nice, diligent, polite friendly and frankly wonderful people all around that I like a lot and would love to help. It's about the questions. It's about the site. And I do remember how hard it is asking good questions, but those are the questions we want. I thought that your question was about reopening questions that weren't fit to begin with, but got salvaged. Nice! On board with that! Now your comment seems to revolve about "we close too many questions", which I can't align myself with. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 flags comments
The last sentences of this answer are the ones which resonate the most. I don't think there's a way to "repair" comment flags, and I could shrug off a few declined flags much easier than post flags, especially since there is no automatic penalty for flagging too many declined flags. On the other hand, I would really appreciate a consensus and/or guideline on which option to choose for this kind of comment. — E_net4 flags comments 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@JohnDvorak I could probably word that better but what I try to explain is that not handling those comments might give the impressions that you can get away once or twice with such comments. Yes, people learn, in this case that needs to be instant learning by coming down hard. Not by some handwaving for the first offense. — rene 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
No, we don't need to rename master. First, contrary to popular belief it is neither racist nor offensive term. Next, it carries more meaning than simple name in Git context. It depicts, default repository branch. So if someone asks about doing something in context of master branch then there may be differences in what happens with such default branch comparing to any other randomly named branch. If people want to rename their branches, fine... but don't force it on everyone esle. — Dalija Prasnikar 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@yivi I also fall back to NLN in case of doubt. Thing is though, quoted comment doesn't look like the case for doubt. The only doubt I have here is how come that moderator made a mistake handling such a blatantly offensive comment — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I know @gnat. I wasn't in doubt, hence the "unfriendly" flag. If it wasn't a misclick, I simply disagree with the action. No biggie on that sense. My helpful-flag ratio went down below 99.3% again, which I don't like. But I'll make it somehow. — yivi 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ChrisF
@yivi - In missing those words I got the tone of the comment wrong. I made a mistake. — ChrisF ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clockwork
I can understand what you mean about the answer. In my case though, assuming I didn't see the other answer first, reading it only confused me even more as to what was going on. — Clockwork 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Dvorak
Even without those two words I believe it would still count as rude... and even if not, unkind for sure — John Dvorak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It's totally fine. But even without the "f'ing" and "mofo", wouldn't you say phrases like "Common decency and respect is what's lacking. Ignorance obviously is part of your every day life" are unfriendly enough? Or were the expletives the only thing pushing the comment above the threshold? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Makoto, please do something about that shrug. Poor guy is missing an arm. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@JonathanLeffler are you sure we need a tag for h[1-6] tags? Other elements tags, like a, href, etc. were burninated because people were... um... misusing them the same way this tag is. — Braiam 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Cool, thanks. I came without my pitchfork anyway. :) — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
This might also teach someone the second lesson about Stack Overflow: read every answer.Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ChrisF
@JohnDvorak - in retrospect I agree. However, I can't change how I processed the flag. — ChrisF ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@toolic I've seen worse than that: locked. — Braiam 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clockwork
@yivi I didn't even notice that! — Clockwork 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@yivi But you’re wrong, it is about the people asking questions. And, yes, how nice/polite/friendly they are is irrelevant, which is why I didn’t mention it. What matters is that asking good questions is a learned skill, and it’s on us to guide this process. Blocking people from learning the ropes is fundamentally misguided. — Konrad Rudolph 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@yivi And my comment is explicitly about reopening questions, not about closing too many questions. And it is in that context that the first sentence of your answer is deeply problematic. — Konrad Rudolph 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@yivi: I blame our browsers for hiding it... — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Trilarion I believe my question already addresses the inadequacy of the reopen queue. — Konrad Rudolph 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I believe you either got sidetracked, or your original question does not reflect your motivation. — yivi 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No @Konrad, you are wrong. The they are polite and nice and friendly is as irrelevant as all the rest. What matters are the posts. I'm all for reopening questions that became good, which was your original thrust. Now you are going all around about "blocking people from learning", which is unrelated. The vast majority of learning is performed by people reading existing posts, not by asking questions. Asking (good) questions just feeds more fuel into the machine so that future learners can benefit from. — yivi 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Thanks. So much better now. That hand flailing on the air was unnerving. — yivi 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
“The vast majority of learning is performed by people reading existing posts, not by asking questions.” — Passive learning is fundamentally limited, you should know that. Almost nobody asks a good question the first time they try. This is simply a fact that we need to account for in our response to such questions (in general, but in particular in the context of facilitating reopening), and it is this fact which your opening sentence neglects. — Konrad Rudolph 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@Nick That answer is 9 years old and most certainly not applicable today. The rules have changed and OP's situation can easily be experienced; I've experienced it too. — MonkeyZeus 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clockwork
@yivi I don't know, it kinda reminded me of Rayman. — Clockwork 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
Worth mentioning that if there was some magic metric that guaranteed a closed question was worth having a look at, we wouldn't need humans to evaluate Q's for reopening. It is possible, however, that some metric exists to help scrape off some of the posts that definitely don't add enough quality for reopening, even something like "minimum X characters added to post body", iff that was found to correlate. — zcoop98 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Thanks for telling me what I should know, but I stand by my previous comment. This is going fundamentally nowhere. I believe my answer does address the fundamental issues of your posed questions: alleviating the difficulty of reopening questions that deserve reopening. All the rest is just noise and unnecessary distraction. Please don't take it wrongly but I believe further discussion is sterile. Bye! — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@Druckles from your description it seems an unnecessary edit and yu can declined it, but when you are searching for guidances, we need to know if your opinion is accurate, which we don't can as you didn't post the url to the question. So in short deline it when not improvig the question/answer or give us the example — nbk just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
And know the little fella has two arms, and it's not inside a dark space. Thanks @E_net4. There is hope for us still. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
You just describe that you vote to reopen and the question remains closed. That can have two possible causes, either nobody reviewed it or the reviewers in the queue thought it should remain closed. What is the case in your examples? If it's the case that the other reviewers think that it should be closed, do you simply disagree with them? It's not clear to me what exactly the inadequacies of the reopen queue are in your opinion other that it doesn't reopen. — Trilarion 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@zcoop98 I've seen post closed that was edited into being fine prior to the last close vote being cast. So I do not think automatic character count or diffs is a good metric. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
This seemed weird until I saw the // <script>GalaxyCat105 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I stand by my previous comment. This is going fundamentally nowhere. I believe my answer does address the fundamental issues of your posed question: alleviating the difficulty of reopening questions that deserve reopening. All the rest is just noise and unnecessary distraction. Please don't take it wrongly but I believe further discussion is sterile. Bye! — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
@Braiam there already is an existing html-heading tag (230 questions). If you want it gone, that'd be a separate request to this one. — Daniel Widdis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konrad Rudolph
@Trilarion You’ve missed this part: “Part of the reason may be that questions are only put into this queue once, even when they get edited repeatedly”. You’ve also missed that the reopen rate I’ve observed is 0%. Of course maybe I’m wrong 100% of the time, but you have to admit that this is becoming less likely than the alternative explanation, that the queue is ineffective. — Konrad Rudolph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
I'd feel a lot better if a mod also had a chat with the user in question. That comment goes beyond offensive, it's actively hostile and toxic (and incredibly oblivious). — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Widdis
This tag should be contributed to Trogdor's pile of ashes. — Daniel Widdis 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Ian Whatever happens between the user and the mods, if anything, is out of scope for the question. Let's not blow things out of proportion. This was simply about a declined flag, that's all. No need get enthusiastic about the witch-hunting. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
"The site should pick the correct code formatting based on tags" emphasis on should. It hasn't in the past and the new prettifier is far from perfect either, so I always manually specify the language I'm using. Further, "let the tag determine the language" falls over completely when you have multiple languages in the same post. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
 
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