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12:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anil
Lol . If that is the case, the platform would be for amateur's only. The amount of validation it asks is too much. — anil 1 min ago
 
12:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
That doesn't even make sense. Amateurs are the ones posting the no-context code dumps. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
 
1:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Josh Goebel
@DavidC.Rankin *sequential #ifdef preprocessor conditional * Fixed in 10.3.1 IIRC... I can't comment on the theming, that's all pretty much attributable to SO's theme choices, have to take that up with them. :) — Josh Goebel 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Josh Goebel
@Scratte I meant people perhaps got used to prettify and maybe there were inconsistencies but you never noticed cause you got used to what it did well and did not? I'm not for sure... but there are a lot of moving pieces here and it's already been pointed out 1-2 changes SO could make that would have HUGE impact on the proper highlighting for many posts. I can't help you with the theme choices though, that's all up to SO - I think there is a better question here to address such concerns. — Josh Goebel 25 secs ago
 
 
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3:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pietroppeter
Thanks that is good to know, I will check it out! — pietroppeter 1 min ago
 
4:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Oh yeah. Leaving comments is almost entirely pointless, whether someone else has left one or not. Only leave a comment if you have something specific and detailed to say that isn't already conveyed by the close reason you've chosen (or plan to choose). — Cody Gray ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It could keep the text until you refresh the page, @Scratte. That seems like a nice compromise. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. If you have feedback, complaints, gripes, praise, wishes, bug reports, questions, concerns, or anything else of relevance to say, please post an answer. Comments get too unwieldy. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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6:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@BrianNickel I updated the post with the version numbers of my setup — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Adriaan Include what breakfast you had the morning this bug occured. That may be the problem :) — 10 Rep 49 secs ago
 
 
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8:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@PeterMortensen you are effectively advising people to use comments for what they are not intended there. If I feel compelled to spew profanity, I should shout into a pillow. If someone is compelled to write fluff, they should write a poem. All of that really has no place on Stack Overflow. — Gimby 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Red, blue, red, blue, red, blue, red, blue. Every other element is blue. — Gimby 10 secs ago
 
8:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
You should be able to go to https://stackoverflow.com/posts/<post_id>/edit to edit it directly — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
The same still applies, the answer post id is: 64353512, so you can edit it from stackoverflow.com/posts/64353512/editNick 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Owen Kelvin
@Nick it is actually an answer to this question stackoverflow.com/questions/63998467/… . I am unable to either approve nor reject the edit. also I cant edit the answer — Owen Kelvin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Owen Kelvin
Thanks, that worked — Owen Kelvin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Edwin What exactly are you frustrated about? That other questions without research didn't also got downvoted? That your question without research did got downvoted? That you didn't get an answer? The last I could understand. The second, well just add research and you're fine. The first, I and others do their best but there are so many questions and many without research or other problems and there are obviously not enough people to look over them all. What would you propose to do in such a situation? — Trilarion 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pietroppeter
@josh-goebel I was not able to find any Tampermonkey script to do what you suggest. I guess my google-fu is not up to the task! — pietroppeter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Does this answer your question? How do I edit a question with a pending edit that I already Approved? (see option number 4 in Makyen's answer) — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Owen Kelvin
@Nick It does not, The problem is that there is actually no buttons to either approve nor reject the edit — Owen Kelvin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"Why not perform a survey to ascertain the reason for upvotes, as many are totally inexplicable?" Please yes. I always wondered, do upvotes mean that the content is really good or just that the voter had the same problem or just that the content is not totally useless. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by will
so...should we delete this one now? Not sure where the balance of historical record vs asked and answered lies? — will 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Your question was "[How to] Edit own post with review privileges' suspended", I gave you a link to do it which was created exactly how it is described in the answer to that linked duplicate, you said "Thanks, that worked" - How does it not answer the question if you've already confirmed it works? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
'but an opaque downvote with no comment is hurtful', maybe to some, but not as hurtful as being stabbed in the back on Facepalm/Twotter as 'hostile' and 'toxic'. So, if users insist that opaque downvotes hurt them then, in my own defense, I am going to continue to hurt them. I am not going to commit suicide to avoid supposed 'bad feelings'. Irrational backfire from those users who did not get their garbage questions answered immediately by SO drones has led to this, and I don't care about their feelings any more. Why should I comment and get slagged off? No, you get a vote, and that's all — Martin James 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
It is not possible to detect new users, only new accounts. — Martin James 26 secs ago
 
9:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Edwin
@Trilarion There is no problem with downvoting a question. That is the way SO makes mony Frustration is that a self declared expert downvotes the question because no research has been added, and leaves it there. Meaning no answer is given. In this case the question is about java.reflection framework. That is not a beginners topic. Then to self declared expert misreads some comments and advises me to go and study array's. Misreading is understandable since the men is German. So I did point that out to him. Than no reply is given. Also understandable, reflection frame work is for real experts. — Edwin 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Edwin It is quite bold to assume a 120k rep user lacks the expertise to understand your question, or that their nationality prevents them from reading properly. Or for that matter that this person even downvoted your question. — MisterMiyagi 31 secs ago
 
10:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Edwin
@MisterMiyagi Yes that is exactly right. There is no way that two people understand each other exactly. That becomes more diffucult when it is online text communcation. Than no tone of voice can be heard and no facial expression can be seen. It becomes even more diffucult if it is not in your native language. So it is safe to assumse that no two persons will understand each other on SO. And as with every question, no matter how experienced you are or think you are, you know or don't know the answer. The question is then "why would anybody respond anyway if you don't know the answer I wonder? — Edwin 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Edwin Claiming that you (as Dutch and presumably not any more natively English than a German) would have your comment misread seems a bit rich, as there are so many mistakes in your comment, *money, *it is frustrating, Then *the self declared... *arrays, since the *man..., *Then no reply..., *framework. Also the sentence structure is not great. Are you sure you didn't just mis-explain rather than them misread? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Hi Vignesh Rajendran, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Edwin
@Nick Exactly right. My English is not very good neither is my Dutch. And I do misread and misunderstand quit often. Therefore I see and understand it when others do aswell. Compassion is something you learn when you have struggled with any human shortfall. — Edwin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@MartinJames I find it a bit going in circles. It seems your action on a post is a result of what happened with a different user on another post. But a "new user"'s posting style may be a result of their experience with another Stack Overflow user. There's also the tone of delivery of a message that plays into this. — Scratte 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dovid Gefen
The amount of times that I have encountered this bug seems to indicate that caching is unlikely the issue. — Dovid Gefen 1 min ago
 
10:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Lundie
It feels a little strange to compare fluff (which in the context of this question, is saying thanks, good luck - ie, kindness and courtesy) with spewing profanity. For someone like myself who thought they were just doing the decent thing (and who is new and doesn't know all the rules and the associated nuances) it feels intimidating to hear such things as "you should go write a poem". Again, I understand the reasons and why one might say such a thing, but I can think of worse things in this world than someone saying thanks (oh, the horror!) or good luck. — Michael Lundie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Being an expert soccer commentator doesn't make one an expert soccer player... Just because you may have a lot of experience misunderstanding people, doesn't mean you can always determine who the one is that's misunderstanding things. — Cerbrus 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Gimby Well, I think you're going to have to start flagging the post from staff then: Make it more obvious that you're review banned. I also do not agree that poems aren't good Answers. If they're to the point and actually answers the Question, they're good. — Scratte 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
You asked It looks like you've been banned. Can I ask why? … take a look at my profile page. Note, that my answer and my comments where all deleted by a mod. I note with irony that consecutive comments by hi-rep SO users such as yourself, have been left largely untouched. Please do not respond, I am afraid my current "misuse" might earn me a year's suspension. — Mari-Lou A 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@MichaelLundie It's not the same at all. I do not agree with the comparison. "Thanks" and the likes are just removed, while profanities can result in penalties. There are differences between main and meta, with much more leeway on meta. One funny result was A Yaakov Ellis-inspired Meta.SE poetry contest: Write poems, win rep!. Kindly note that it was only to be applied to meta sites :) — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@will - This question isn’t eligible to be deleted. — Security Hound 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
The suggested edits don’t make the (edited) question something I could answer, so I would have rejected the edit, since the question wasn’t improved. The reviewers who approved that edit shouldn’t have. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@SecurityHound Yeah sorry for the confusion, the screenshot is actually a mesh-up of a random review with the close message from the question referenced... I agree with what you said with the slight objection that if the question was not closed, I might have approved it. True, it is not VERY meaningful, but it does improve the question (removing comments like plz answer me, almightys) - but doesn't make it openable... — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abra
I don't see Check out these companies. I see Looking for a job? Is that the same thing? Does it have to do with my profile settings? — Abra 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@SecurityHound (updated the screenshot to reflect the actual question at hand) — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
 
11:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Edwin "...downvotes the question because no research has been added, and leaves it there." I often do that too, so I'm guilty there as well. Identifying that no research has been conducted is relatively easy and doesn't require much time. Answering a question is more difficult and requires more time. But I don't have the time because I'm busy with looking over all the questions and doing basic quality control. How much I would love to spend time on answering well written, well researched questions, you cannot imagine. Maybe after 1-2 years of research here we'll discuss that. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Edwin "Compassion is something you learn when you have struggled with any human shortfall." Adding research is not a big thing really and a downvote is not a lack of compassion. It's a sign for you and others that something is wrong with the content. It means somebody invested time looking at your content. I know that people, especially askers, would rather get a tutoring relationship, but I'm not able to give that. My time is limited. If you don't want just downvotes, maybe we could add a special kind of question without any downvotes and for me the ability to ignore such questions. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Even after formatting the code (and fixing some typos), the question is still unclear. There is no real input data given, the screenshot shown doesn't match the problem statement (image with salt-pepper noise background, problem statement talks about white background), there is no description what the actual result should be, the code seems to be for extracting color regions, but the screenshot is black/white. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I'd strongly suggest not bumping posts this old with an edit insulting SE users. It's gonna get looked at and reverted, any way. — Cerbrus 17 secs ago
 
11:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"Be nice to newcomers" does not mean "accept questions not fit for the site", but to use kind language when communicating with said users. — yivi 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by will
Looks like I can delete and there are 2 votes for it be deleted as well, which is why I ask :-) — will 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ludovit Mydla
@BDL Fair enough. But aren't there already tons of opened questions, where people in comments ask Can you provide us with this and that, so we can answer properly and in the end they will get to the right answer? I have no problem with being more strict with reviews, but then I'm confused when you read about how to be nicer to newcomers. — Ludovit Mydla 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@MichaelLundie We are pretty bad at setting expectations. What helps me when writing a post here is to think about the audience. I'm writing for the many visitors to come. I can't know or anticipate if those users need to be thanked (Hey! Thanks for having the same problem as I have) or need encouragement. In the early design stages it was considered to leave out users at all from posts, to just focus on content. Yes, that is different from forums and reddit and twitter but this site and its Q&A model is different. I think it is essential to value and embrace that difference. YMMV. — rene 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@yivi "We apologise for any inconvenience that voting down, closing and deletion of your question may have caused you, and we appreciate your understanding. Thanks for your cooperation, looking forward to hearing from you after 6 months of question block!" — gnat 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
 
12:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ludovit Mydla
The duplicate flag about how long should we wait for clarification seems reasonable. I guess I learned something anyway and would review with updated balance between strict and forgiving in the future. Thanks — Ludovit Mydla 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ludovit Mydla
Still. Would be happy if the ban is lifted. But I can live with it for 4 days. — Ludovit Mydla 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dovid Gefen
@Abra Stackoverflow appears to display different sidebars to different users at different times based on some sort of algorithm. Looking for a job is a different type of sidebar as far as I know. — Dovid Gefen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Neeraj
Should I delete the question? — Neeraj 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leftjoin
The problem is more diffult probably because there are many other Apache-Hive related tags: hiveql, hiveddl, hive-partitions, hive-serde, hiveserver2, hive-query, etc etc — leftjoin 2 mins ago
 
12:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I am very confused about this. My take is that error messages are code too. — Scratte 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
I posted an answer about this topic on the Overmeta way back in 2013, and its main point still stands today: By providing error messages in your native language, you are restricting your audience to the users who can understand it. No more, no less. — Frédéric Hamidi 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte If it's an error message that you write yourself and tell the code when to throw it, then yes, that is code. If it is a system error message that you don't have any control over, that's not really code, it's just a system message. — TylerH 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@FrédéricHamidi Does that mean that error messages not in English should not be a close reason? — Scratte 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte you have just repeated your first comment. — TylerH 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@TylerH I do not agree. I do not think uses should translate system error messages. To me that is certainly code. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Nick My gut reaction is anything that is relevant for understanding/answering the question should be in English. And if something isn't relevant, it probably shouldn't be included. Not sure how that gut reaction holds up once it starts hitting specific cases, though. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
not really. You can understand code without translating variables and comments, but in error messages, understanding the language is actually critical. Imagine if you were presented with a ヌルポインター例外 - would you automatically be able to understand it means "NullPointerException"? At least according to some shoddy Google Translate into a semi-random language, but the point still holds: you can't guess what an error message means in the same way you can read code. Errors depend on (human) language - code doesn't — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Also, most search engines are able to apply similar words when doing the actual search, meaning even if the translation from whatever source language to english is slightly bad, it's actually possible to find other questions on the same error message. Searching through localized error messages in several languages does not provide that same opportunity — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@Scratte, not in my opinion, no, but I'm usually quite biased about closing a question for that kind of reason. Better try to translate the message if you feel like it, or ask the questioner to do it. I would advise against posting non-English code for the reasons explained above, but it's not the end of the world if you do. — Frédéric Hamidi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
For the benefit of any doubt, I'm hoping to find some consensus, rather than just the thoughts of the active meta users, so this post will stay without an accepted answer to allow time for that to happen (and if any mods want to feature it so that as large a group of people can be reached that might help hint hint >.>) — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anil
Dont know where this no-context dropped from ROFL. Empty lines != No Context — anil 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@FrédéricHamidi I disagree; the entire post needs to be understandable. Writing your question in French doesn't only restrict your audience, it's off-topic and should be closed on SO. Error messages are often necessary to be understood, and restricting your audience hasn't much to do with it. It's either understandable to someone who speaks English, or isn't. In the former case, it's OK, in the latter, it's not. — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
... did somebody say "error messages in French"...? — Andrew T. 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@Adriaan, I do agree with you that it helps a lot with one's question for it to be understandable. I only question the necessity to close questions containing a glimpse of non-English instead of, say, improving them. — Frédéric Hamidi 1 min ago
 
1:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
I fully agree with this. It is often difficult to find the correct English translation of an error message in a foreign language, and translating it incorrectly makes the error unclear for everybody, including native speakers that would have understood the original error. For example Laufzeitfehler means runtime error, but Laufzeit can also be translated as 'operational time', 'execution duration', or even 'term' (as in 'duration', not as in 'concept'), which would be very confusing. — Marijn 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The close message is for the OP telling them that they have to improve the question if they want to see it reopened. "Requires editing" means that the post just needs some clean up (remove salutations, correct spelling or formatting etc.) that can be done by the community and doesn't need further input by the OP. — Jeanne Dark 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Hunyadi
@JeanneDark No, I already read that question, it was linked to my triage suspension notice, and it does not answer my question. — Adam Hunyadi 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"Requires Editing" has the following description (visible in the review ui): Requires Editing for questions that you can make clear and answerable by editing. That you in there is important. A question closed as "needs more focus" means that the question asker must improve the question. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
Shouldn't it be the responsibility of the OP to provide the translated error message instead of others having to interpret it? If they can't translate it then maybe Stack Overflow isn't the place for it. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
Error messages are not code they can be output from code or by the underlying operating system. — Lankymart 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If you believe a question needs to be closed (e.g. "the question is quite poor and needs to be focused"), the correct option is "unsalvageable". That one opens the flag to close dialog. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roland
I don't agree. We require minimal reproducible examples. If we can expect people to create these, we can certainly expect them to configure their setup so it provides error messages in English. — Roland 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Hunyadi
@Tom I think the question is clear, but probably a duplicate. Someone might be able to reword the question as 'On this example table, I would like to know an input for Open Office Calc group by "name" and count the number of unique entries in the "Receipt" column.' — Adam Hunyadi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
Why should we have to look up the error code? — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Nick was going to post it myself (as it was originally raised in chat over this comment I left on a question), but you beat me to it. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@TylerH absolutely agree. If it's intrinsic to understanding the question being asked it should be written in English. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heinzi
@Roland: No, I don't think we can expect that. Let's say someone uses a local-language MS Office (quite common, even on developer machines who usually prefer English) and gets a VBA error message. Do we really expect that person to (1) get their hands on an English-language Office version and (2) install a virtual machine with it? (Yes, that's what's required to get Office to output non-localized messages.) I agree with Dharman's suggestion: Paste the error message verbatim and provide an English-language explanation. — Heinzi 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Lankymart Yeah, I pinged you in chat when I posted it in case you were interested. If you disagree with the current answers (as I have seen your comments on them) I do encourage you to post an answer so we can actually get the community opinion on it, otherwise it appears that errors will be exempt from from the english only rule. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matt Ellen
big data? don't you get bug data from a hive? — Matt Ellen 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@AndrewT. not surprised it was closed. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Heinzi true, same goes for the asker. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
I don't think we should expect users to change their IDEs to suit us but if they are able to navigate Stack Overflow and ask a question they can most certainly translate an error message. — Lankymart 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heinzi
I agree with the sentiment (and it might make sense to add this to the mvce help page), but we should also be understanding in cases where it is not so simple (try to get an English-language error message from VBA in a German-language MS Office 2013). Expecting the user to set up a VM and get their hands on an English-language version of Office is unreasonable, IMHO. — Heinzi 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
We shouldn't expect users to modify their setup to suit us, but that doesn't mean if they are able to navigate Stack Overflow and ask a question (which isn't localised) that they can't translate their own error messages. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@Lankymart if it's as common as a HTTP 403 error, there might be no need to look it up yourself. The OP, OTOH, can use it to search for what the common message associated with that error is in English and add that to the post. — Adriaan 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heinzi
@Lankymart: Sorry, deleted my comment, since it might come across as snarky (it was not intended in that way). — Heinzi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Adriaan if it's that common there is probably already a good canonical that answers the question. — Lankymart 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
They should be translated, besides the original text, also tablenames functions names procedure names vaariables and so on — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@nbk start talking about variable names, table names etc, then it's gone too far. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
Not sure why you laugh, do you think Linux only exists in English and cannot be installed using another language? — nvoigt 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@nvoigt *laughs in Linux* — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Casey
@Lankymart Isn't this the purpose of the error code? Seems much more reliable than an amateur translation back into English. — Casey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
First paragraph perfect, second I disagree with. Non English error messages are not understandable by default (for an English-only speaker). A manual translation/explanation in English on top of the original message should be mandatory. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
Simply put, this is not possible. Do you expect people to install an euUS version of Windows and an enUS version of Visual Studio and an enUS version of the .NET Framework, so they can post an enUS error when one pops up? Errors are localized and if you cannot read it, it's time to move on, not to tell people they should install their computer in enUS. — nvoigt 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Casey
@Lankymart Why should you have to help strangers at all? Well, actually you don't. — Casey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
If the error message is in Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Japanese we also could send such cases to the localized StackOverflows. That would be fitting in a way. — Trilarion 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
How can the question be "clear" when OP didn't even state where their data is. The current tags on that questions are, to be blunt, useless. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@Lankymart variable anems give a hint ti what the variable is used for meinkleinesMärchenkind if that is my variablename explains everything that will be found there. The same goes for function and so on, if the logic of your prgram isn't clear , or the snippet quite short, the variablenames a vital to help, also for column nmaes — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Trilarion Not if only the error message is non-English, one of the examples I gave in chat is that I work on non-English systems that give non-English errors, but I exclusively code and speak English, a localized SO is worthless for that — Nick 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Nick My fault. I assumed you would speak both English and the localized language. Now it could happen that you work on a non-English system and get non-English errors but also are unable to translate the error message to English. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@nvoigt I think you misunderstood my answer, I never for a second suggested people have to use EN-US IDEs or Operating systems, in fact, I said the exact opposite. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Hunyadi
@Tom Maybe I misunderstood the question, but he is working with Open Office Calc, where he has a table to populate with the number of unique elements where the data matches a column from another table. — Adam Hunyadi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
hm, ok, I retracted my dv, I guess I did misunderstand you. Still not a big fan of the "translate it" way, because I have seen how horribly wrong that can be. I'd rather see the original. — nvoigt 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@me "A manual translation/explanation to English ... should be mandatory." But only if possible. If for example there is this computer localized in Greek and I don't speak it, but it outputs an error message that's all Greek to me, I can only reproduce the error message "as is", hoping that maybe someone else might deliver a translation into English for me and others. These cases should also be ontopic here. — Trilarion 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Casey I'm sorry, have I offended you in some way? I've answered 536 questions on Stack Overflow, hopefully, I've helped some. — Lankymart 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Trilarion There is always going to be edge-cases, in the main though error messages should be in English. Although I'd question the point of posting such an error message on Stack Overflow in the first place as it sounds quite niche. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bill T&#252;r
@Heinzi for VBA errors this link might be helpful — Bill Tür 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@nvoigt that's probably on me, but it does seem obvious to me if someone who's first language isn't English is able to navigate an English language site and post questions on it they can certainly translate an error message. — Lankymart 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
If you block it, all these problems go away — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
Not really. I mean obviously they don't understand the error message, otherwise they would not ask a question and it's not easy to translate something you do not understand. Translating something you do not understand just literally using a dictionary is bound to be a mess. — nvoigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ludovit Mydla
It is clearly stated in the question, it is Open Office Calc. I don't see reason the question is closed, even though the tags are useless, but can be edited. Imho the initial judgment of OP seems right to me — Ludovit Mydla just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Catignani
@ti7 Good point. You gotta believe reviewers get better overtime with the review process. Those few initial bad choices keep coming back to haunt you. (on a looong review vaca) — Chris Catignani 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StuartLC
Not insulting at all - it's pretty much the truth - ask any of the OP's linked. The Winterbash pizza hat required posting a question which gathered 5 answers in 30 minutes, which did attract some pretty interesting behaviour from those trying to obtain it. You've been around long enough to have survived / endured / enjoyed a few Winterbashes! — StuartLC 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Even if they agree, it's unfriendly to an outside observer, and completely unnecessary on a question that hasn't seen activity in years. — Cerbrus 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@nvoigt how is that any different to using Stack Overflow? If they don't understand what is written, how are they expected to follow the guidelines for asking questions? — Lankymart 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
Debugging aside, the question will be of limited use to future visitors / searchers if a transaltion is not provided somewhere in the title or question body. — snakecharmerb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
This is my stance, which is one reason I flagged the question to be closed in the first place. it wasn't until it was raised in chat against a comment I left, it all came to a head as we could not reach a consensus in chat. — Lankymart just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Lankymart Really? Really? Have you even looked at the front page of SO recently? It's where the English language goes to die. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@nvoigt I don't see the difference but "Type mismatch" means something to me even the german translation of "Typenkonflikt" is close enough when translated. — Lankymart 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
I am not talking about language skill. The error message is in their native language, but they do not understand it's meaning. They read the words and they don't know what the message is trying to tell them. Now translating something that you do not even understand in your native language into a foreign language is a fools errand, no matter how well you speak the foreign language. — nvoigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@Trilarion "These cases should also be ontopic here." Why? Because questions should be allowed to be unclear until someone else fixes them for you? — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
What if for example your company told you to go to China and make sure the company software runs on all computers there. Following this answer you would then not ask anything on StackOverflow about any Chinese error message that might pop up? Maybe that doesn't happen anyway, not sure. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Tom This was for the case where I don't speak the language. I guess, I could send them once through google translate. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Google translate output: "Script: C: \ Users \ <omitted> \ AppData \ Local \ Temp \ Signatur.vbs Row: 274 Characters: 1 Error: Type conflict: '[string: "+49 173 <omitted>"]' Code: 800A000D Source: runtime error in Microsoft VBScript" Maybe we should just require people to use a translate service if they do not speak the language. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"Requiring askers to use an English OS, IDE, etc. is impractical" eh really? I do this when I ask others for help with my problem. I don't want them misunderstanding nor having trouble parsing the message. It's my responsibility presenting the problem in the most clear and concise way possible. Failure to do so would only work to my own detriment. — Braiam 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Microsoft has a page for localized error lookup (microsoft.com/en-us/language/Emt). I tried it with this error message. Didn't work. It redirected me to an error page saying at least in English "We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found." after clicking on search. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Gimby That's assuming working on a system that's in your control, for example client systems could be heavily locked down and that could not be a possibility — Nick 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Assuming a system error message, I'd say you need the English error message... before you even ask any question. Because the english error message likely produces more relevant search results. If you can't produce the english version of the system error, you likely did not do your due diligence. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
Translating the message yourself is obviously terrible (probably won't match the wording of the English message), but whenever possible programs should be run with LANG=C or LC_ALL=C, or equivalent option for non-Unix, to get the default error messages (which are English by convention). So in cases where it's easy, definitely do that. — Peter Cordes 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Trilarion Still the company's/my problem, not Stack Overflow's. — Ian Kemp 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Braiam I agree, but at the end of the day that doesn't materially change my answer, so I omitted that line of reasoning. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
I'd upvote this if you reworded to "when easy / convenient", e.g. export LC_ALL=C in a shell before running stuff under a Linux or Unix OS. But as people point out, some software doesn't make it easy to change the current localization. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
To the people up-voting this comment, you have actually read my answer right? Especially - "Just to be absolutely clear, I'm not suggesting people have to install their IDEs or Operating Systems in EN-US.". — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
Can you edit the start of your question to be more clear about what exactly you think should happen? I think it's obvious that error messages should be quoted verbatim (like code) for searchability, but also translated into English by hand for software that can't easily be configured to generate English error messages. But you don't make that clear. One interpretation of your answer is that posters should only post their hand-translation of the error message, not the original. — Peter Cordes just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@Roland If there's a minimal reproducible example, you can just run it yourself and get the English error message. — user253751 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@Zoe What's the alternative? Should a user who's been using Japanese error messages just know that the English equivalent is called NullPointerException? You are proposing that people should post something different to what their computer outputted, which is very frowned upon for good reasons. — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@PeterCordes I haven't asked a question, I've left an answer I assume you are referring that as that is where you've left this comment? — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heinzi
@BillTür: It is indeed. Thanks, I did not know that. — Heinzi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
"Requiring askers to provide translations is just going to result in them posting Google Translated mumbo-jumbo, which helps nobody." - are you sure? Half the time you can understand the error just with Google Translate and knowledge of the software that produced it. — user253751 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Maybe relevant in case the error message comes from C# Exception messages in English? or Solution to the "Localized exceptions" problem. Maybe we should just collect a list of similar questions and then just tell people to try to get English error messages. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
Translation example: the OP mentions a Laufzeitfehler. Obviously, the English translation is "walking era fault" (yes, I chose the wrong translations on purpose). Which would you rather see in a question: "Laufzeitfehler" or "walking era fault"? (correct translation: "runtime error") — user253751 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Hunyadi
@SamuelLiew He has a problem, where angular modals jump to the top on click. He linked a similar question regarding one built on bootstrap. I think his intent is clear: changing this default behaviour and his question is in no way less composed than the one he linked to. My opinion is subjective, but again, reviewing is about giving your opinion on what category something not easily categorized belongs to. Why do I have to defend my decision? In my question I stated clearly, that "my goal is not to discuss what the proper flags in each cases are" and so far I only gotten comments on this. — Adam Hunyadi 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@user253751 If I'm honest, neither. Would flag the question and move on. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@user253751 Yes, but in that case, what use is it to others? I'd argue not very. — Lankymart 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@Lankymart what would you flag it for? There is no "bad translation" flag. There is an "unclear" flag. And what do you expect the asker to do? Reinstall Windows? Understand the meaning themselves and also the way error messages are formatted in English? — user253751 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
@Lankymart Same as the use of an English error message that you personally don't happen to understand. — user253751 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@user253751 Add it would be the "Unclear" flag - "Add details and clarify the problem being solved."Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@user253751 I don't think I've ever come across an error message I don't understand, usually, there is at least some hint as to what the issue is. Even if it's just Error 45 or something like that I'll know where to look. — Lankymart 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
Your first comment does come across as mildly entitled, regardless of your intent or contribution record @Lankymart. I would argue that an error code in a question is (often) highly pertinent information, and if you are looking to provide a sufficient, detailed, and useful-to-the-future answer for our repository of knowledge, then you will look up that error code if OP has not or was not able to. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Roland So you're saying we have to force people to install an English Windows, respectively the English language pack (which is several hundreds of MB large and there at least used to be licensing limitations for windows home installs) and configure their whole OS to use it before being allowed to post code that leads to .NET exceptions on SO? Particularly given that HResults are easy to interpret anyhow? I don't think so. There simply isn't one general solution for all languages and cases and a best effort approach can be perfectly fine. — Voo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@zcoop98 Entitled? Why should the potential answerer be required to research information that should be in the original question? Just like asking a question asking for code, but not showing any attempt at solving the problem yourself or providing a MCVE, how is this any different? — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
"It would take the OP a minute to translate the error". The faith that it's trivial translating error messages from any language into the canonical English error message is commendable, but very far from reality. A best effort translation is certainly helpful, but definitely keep the original if you can't provide the canonical translation. — Voo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
Sometimes this site beggars belief, I've explained that I don't expect people to install an English IDE but the comment that suggests I did has 10 upvotes? Do people even bother to read the answer? — Lankymart 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@nvoigt I never suggested people install an English IDE, can you please remove your misrepresented comment? — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
and then to be closed when it's perceived that the number of answers is getting out of hand: Citation needed. The number of answers doesn't play a role regarding closure. There might be a lock if too many duplicate answers are posted by newcomers. — BDL 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
Removed my answer as this sums it up succinctly enough. — Lankymart 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Title of this post make no relation to the body - if post is not deleted consider editing... "Requires editing" (which you selected) is not "unsalvageable" (which is equivalent of "closed as needing focus"). — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
What are you even talking about? — John Montgomery 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If your goal is not about learning what the correct action would have been, what's your goal then? It's not very clear what you are after. Maybe the confusion arises because of a misconception: you believe the end state (question being closed) is equivalent or related to your choice of "requires editing"; when they are completely unrelated. — yivi 1 min ago
 
5:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
If it took you almost two years to notice that the question was closed, is it really that big a deal? — John Montgomery 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike Weir
Visually impaired here, but I don't think that changes what I'm saying, and I pretty much said it wasn't a big deal. Just makes no sense in my mind, hence the topic I created. — Mike Weir 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Not to mention that you received and accepted an answer eight years ago. Do you really need the question to be re-opened? — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
We assumed that question is a resource request / tool recommendation. Is it not? — rene 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike Weir
I came here looking for knowledge and understanding, but instead downvotes and insults. Stack overflow sure has changed. — Mike Weir 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
I see no insults here. What are you talking about? — John Montgomery 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
I have not looked but..is the answer...'copy the web browser visual component onto the form and set properties/events'? — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@user253751 And the other half we can't, so then we fall back to having to use our judgement. Which leads to a different slippery slope of which questions with non-English error messages should be closed and which should be left open. The rule I am suggesting here is simple, clear, unambiguous, completely objective in its application, and will reduce the workload on curators. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
This is... kinda ground-breaking. I've never seen this referenced anywhere on the site before, and if accurate it helps explain some odd behaviors I've noticed. How did you learn this? — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by T.J. Crowder
@zcoop98 - It's documented here. I didn't know it either until Martijn Pieters pointed it out to me fairly recently. — T.J. Crowder 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
It is in a review queue now, right? Someone voted to reopen (recently, I believe). — toolic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Voo really? I just put LC_ALL=C and all error messages become english. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@IanKemp I think you took my argument by the wrong side. It's the asker responsibility to present their problem in the best way possible. We, users, should require them to do so by the only reasoning that every question has to be of the highest possible quality. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
6:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I'm just gunna go out there and say I expect that answer to be: No. Slow down instead and make it so you don't need to undo. — Nick 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by admcfajn
& yeah, that sums it up nicely @JohnMontgomery thanks — admcfajn 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by admcfajn
True, but that would be assuming that the UX is functioning perfectly. What about situations where the first click of the buttons doesn't seem to submit the form? The user clicks again thinking they're submitting review-a when review-b has been loaded. Not to mention accidental submissions from cat-paws accidental bumps — admcfajn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Braiam Clearly you haven't programmed in enough different environments and languages then. — Voo just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Josh Goebel
 
6:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by joel
@Patrice i know this is an old comment, but for posterity, your suggestion reads to me like you assume off the bat the OP is wrong, which isn't a basis for discussion — joel 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brian Nickel
I've not been able to reproduce this on FireFox 81 for Windows. Neither UBlockOrigin nor Privacy Badger are blocking the cookie, so it could be a specific user script interfering with it or something else entirely (cosmic rays?). Looking at the event data (not connected to the anonymous survey results), it appears that people aren't taking the survey twice, so I'm hoping it's not a widespread issue and that we can just let it be. — Brian Nickel ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexander F.
I suppose you need to be a lawyer to ask for help on SO nowadays. It has grown too big for its own good. — Alexander F. 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@Voo If that's the case then OP would need to make peace with both of my bullet points and closing statement. I too recommended that OP has both versions in the question. — MonkeyZeus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by joel
@Patrice I know this is an old comment, but for posterity, it sounds like you're assuming the OP's reaction is entirely his fault, which I don't think is a fair assumption — joel 1 min ago
 
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