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12:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
@10Rep What does it mean for a delete vote to be binding if the result is not that the post is deleted? (Or at least to be only visible to SO employees with particular database access privileges.) — Andrew Morton 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@AndrewMorton If you cast a delete vote, it's not binding if it's not your post. However, if you click the delete link on your own question, then you are casting a delete vote again, but this time, your vote is binding. It counts as three. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
You can get desktop notifications for chat, but not sure about the main site. — 10 Rep just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
@10Rep That is what the question is. You are stating that you have the answer with no references to back it up. If you think you are correct, although SO does not itself give an answer that I can find, then please try adding your guess as an answer with links to MSO/MSE Q&As to back it up. Where did the "three" come from? — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@AndrewMorton I'll link some stuff and answer. Give a few mins — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What do you think would be the advantage of splitting the site up by topic? How would this help you? — Cody Gray ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
If you turned it into a software recommendation question, it might be something that could be asked on Software Recommendations. You'd need to read their Help Center first. Don't ask me; I haven't read it. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by develarist
new questions wouldn't get immediately buried under the 50 other ones per minute — develarist 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by develarist
there's no reason for a python-only user's question to be mixed and have to compete with C#, JS and linux questions. why does only latex have its own stack — develarist 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by develarist
oh so that's why tex was carved out — develarist 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
You can also search by tags. Then you only see question related to the specified tags. See this: How do I search for questions with (or without) specific tags?akuzminykh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This question is requesting support with a site feature, which makes it on-topic here. Could it also be asked elsewhere (like a Samsung or Android support forum)? Yes. Does that make it off-topic here? No. Our code formatting requires that users type backticks, thus it is fully within our scope to help users figure out how to type backticks on their device in order to make appropriate use of this site's features. Do not close this question. — Cody Gray ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GiGaNtIc BuRgEr
Sure. Thank you very much — GiGaNtIc BuRgEr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Surely you've been around enough C++ programmers to know that the answer to, "Should I use macros instead?" is almost always "No." :-) — Cody Gray ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bta
@end-user IMO you can build a reputation pool a lot faster with answers than you can with questions. Driving views to questions is hard, but an accepted answer will always earn you points, and the act of posting an answer counts as more "activity" which will boost that question in the "hot questions" list (leading to more views and upvotes). — bta 1 min ago
 
 
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1:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
No, you can only lose reputation by voting — Samuel Liew ♦ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Spevacus
This is answered in the help center article: What is reputation? How do I earn (and lose) it? The only thing you can really "earn" through voting are badges, such as Supporter and Vox Populi. — Spevacus 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GiGaNtIc BuRgEr
says the person who downvoted — GiGaNtIc BuRgEr 1 min ago
 
2:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
You only lose reputation from downvoting on answers on the main site. — GalaxyCat105 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
If Stack Overflow handed out reputation for voting on posts, mass voting would become even more of a problem! People already spam-click the voting buttons to get badges. — GalaxyCat105 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
When you accept an answer to your question (if you consider that a "kind of voting"), you earn 2 reputation points. But that's about it. — 41686d6564 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
The point of reputation is for trusted users to have access to more features that help keep the site clean, and motivate new users to learn how this site works. If we handed out rep for voting on things, it would completely defeat the purpose. — GalaxyCat105 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
@41686d6564 "you get 2 points per accepted edit until you reach 2000 points" - Or until you gain 1000 rep from just editing, although I'm not completely sure if I remember it correctly — GalaxyCat105 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@Galaxy That is indeed correct. I forgot about the 1000-points cap. — 41686d6564 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Does this answer your question? How to get reputation as a newbie?41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
That's literally what tags are for - if I want to read Python questions but not C# or JS questions, I just read the Python tag - problem solved. Besides, that change would be a nuisance for people who follow multiple tags. I currently work in C#, Python, PHP, JavaScript, SQL, and occasionally R. Do I need to join 6 separate sites? — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 57 secs ago
 
2:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@rbrundritt Accusing others of not understanding something isn't the best way to initiate a constructive discussion, I think if you look through earlier meta posts you'll find that when people bring concrete examples of what they want to discuss to the table, discussion tends to happen. As for the question being closed while you were asleep that is unfortunate but we also can't all adapt to the same timezone.This is a global community, people are online at different times. — ivarni 1 min ago
 
3:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Same boat here, only I don't think I even got an email. Would have remembered that sort of rejection — charlietfl 1 min ago
 
3:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Don't worry about reputation. Just ask and answer questions as best as you can. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
And every now and then someone does ask a question that really does require multiple language tags, Python-Delphi interop, for example. — user4581301 54 secs ago
 
4:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akib Azmain
@bta I'm looking for better answers. Also, it would be great if I earn some reputations as I'm banned from asking because of a previously deleted question with 10 downvotes! — Akib Azmain 5 secs ago
 
4:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
The reason you've not been able to add the Django tag is that you've asked this on the Meta site - for questions about Stack Overflow. — Wai Ha Lee 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Imdadul Haque
I am sorry It urgent to solve this problem but unfortunately i am block as main user for posting question that's I used as meta user. But I don't get the djnago tag. — Imdadul Haque 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Imdadul Haque
I am bored on this site Stack Overflow, I already said I can't post a questions so I should use this meta user option, But here is the problem, Some are continuously react my post as negative . It's to boring ! — Imdadul Haque 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
If you're unable to ask questions on the main site, asking on Meta isn't the way to go: far fewer people go on Meta, and your question will get closed as it's not a question about Stack Overflow itself. — Wai Ha Lee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Imdadul Haque
@WaiHaLee I already asked for this issue in meta user but it't is not solved — Imdadul Haque 1 min ago
 
5:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
It's important to note that How do I ask a good question? is not the only page. Under Asking you can find many more topics. Check out especially the first two. — akuzminykh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akib Azmain
@akuzminykh I read that page also. — Akib Azmain 36 secs ago
 
5:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
If you want attention, start a bounty. Its straightforward — d4rk4ng31 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
TeX was made a separate site because it's not really a programming language. It's a markup language. So it wasn't really on-topic for Stack Overflow. At best it was borderline. Even if it is a programming language in technicality, no one writes programs in it, so it would have little relevance to or overlap with the rest of Stack Overflow. The same cannot be said of HTML and CSS, much less Python and C#. — Cody Gray ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
FWIW, I also haven't received my mod swag since Feb 2019 for the same reason, but I still believe they will be back to it, while maybe not the highest priority :) — Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
5:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
@akuzminykh, yes — d4rk4ng31 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
You mean the OP has confirmed that the comment has solved the problem? — akuzminykh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
Just when I was searching for an example, I found one ;) — d4rk4ng31 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
Then it depends on you. The "nice" way is to do what you've suggested: Inform the commenter about it. The "bad" way is to just write the answer yourself. I've written so many comments that answer whole questions and then just someone comes by, copy-pastes from the comment section and just posts the answer .. I think, it's a whatever. If that's "okay" or not, depends on you. The important thing here is about "deletion": If the question provides something good/new for SO, then definitely get it answered, by the commenter or you. If it's e.g. a duplicate, then get it deleted/closed. — akuzminykh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
Thanks a lot :D — d4rk4ng31 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
Here you go. ;) — akuzminykh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
Oh yeah, I recall getting the e-mail way back. They invited me to fill a ticket and provide my shipping details. Then all was mum for 3 months. When I reached out and asked I got the response you did. Has it really been that long? Wow. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
BTW, please do not delete that post ;) — d4rk4ng31 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
Also, why do we not have a good-practices tag? — d4rk4ng31 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
@akuzminykh, done :) — d4rk4ng31 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
Hmm...... okay :) — d4rk4ng31 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
@d4rk4ng31 I think that's more or less a subset of discussion. — akuzminykh 1 min ago
 
6:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
Thank you for explaining that clearly. — Andrew Morton 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
OP has to add tags in order to ask the question. There's even tag recommendations — Zoe 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
@Zoe, I know. But, if he has to add the tags before even typing the question, the quality of results will be way better — d4rk4ng31 30 secs ago
 
6:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Hi G Ganesh, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
Before posting a question, I actively search on Google because it tends to be more precise in my experience for finding the duplicated question. The search here is also fine. — akuzminykh 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
In "guided mode" that was experimented with a couple of years back, tags were the first thing the user had to provide. I imagine that as a result of that experiment that approach was finally abandoned. — yivi 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It was implemented. There were a couple of "wizard" iterations. The current "ask a question" page is the result of those experiments. — yivi 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
@yivi, what were the results? As in why was that not implemented? — d4rk4ng31 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I imagine the results were not encouraging. The good thing about testing ideas is that you get to see if they work as intended or not. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by d4rk4ng31
@yivi, what I am asking is, was there any particular reason why this tag thing wasn't implemented?d4rk4ng31 1 min ago
 
7:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
 
7:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Again? How does this keep happening? — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Cerbrus this is what you get when you give Marketing toys to play with ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
A reverse image search gives me an Eminem video that isn't suitable for all audiences :/ — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I mean, out of the the last 15 posts in sponsored-tags, 8 are the same "wrong icon" issue... — Cerbrus 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
People are always zoomed in and locked on asking questions. What they should really be wondering is: how do I get better at searching for existing answers? — Gimby 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akib Azmain
@Gimby I agree with you, it has occurred many times I duplicate questions because I can't find existing answers easily via search bar and search engines. — Akib Azmain 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Muz
This is good advice. I think a lot of people simply skim and downvote. I'd also say be very careful when using examples as well. A lot of questions are closed as duplicate because the example can be solved using some other technique, despite it being clear that you're looking for a specific technique. Don't try to dumb down a question to make it easier to understand; just leave it in the existing context, because this can appear like homework. — Muz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
I cannot comprehend the logic behind that. Tag abuse is already bad as it is - if people write out their question before deciding on tags, they could get a better idea of what exactly their question is about. There's always gonna be a percentage who don't care, but they're a lost cause no matter how good the system is, and no matter how guided the system is. The tags have no impact on the result - the question is identical, and bad tagging can be corrected by editors. Users with 2k rep can help with tags in as little as 3 seconds of editing time. I fail to see the "bad result" — Zoe 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
If you're talking about the quality of the question, trust me, changing the order in which tags are written out will have minimal effect. If that was all it took to improve quality, we would be using that. The wizard experiment, an experiment I actually had hopes for, apparently failed. Improving question quality is a complex problem, and no single idea alone can fix it — Zoe 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
 
9:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TRiG
The thing is, @TylerH, that Stack Overflow was always supposed to be for everyone. "How do I move the turtle in Logo?" is not a new question. OP's problem here is the cadre of deletionists, who look for excuses to delete stuff. — TRiG 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
It's look like part of Telerik. — Drag and Drop 1 min ago
 
9:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nicksource
It wasn't a question and your link is to a locked thread that is given a "final" answer, not allowing any discussion. Sort of proves my point about elitism here and the linear approach to things. — nicksource 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sweeper
You've posted this before.. What led you to think that the results will be different this time? — Sweeper 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
If it's not a question... what are you asking? This is a Q&A site after all and there's nothing here that elicits feedback/discussion that isn't already covered in the provided duplicate — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
The main problem was that when we post the message, it shall be ready. My question is how to work before you post! — minus one 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
is there a way the site can be more accommodating for discussion with beginners No, sorry. We tried something like that, it failed. — rene 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@Zoe: Interesting reading. I will go through. Thanks — minus one 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@Zoe: I know how some people thinking about downvotes "Downvote and move on.", IMO it is simple rude. — minus one just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Reposting questions closed and deleted by the community is not a recipe for success. — yivi 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Before you post you can work as long as you want doing research. What you do do before you post, is not anyone's business but your own. — yivi 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@RobertLongson: not, i'm interested on how to work before you post! — minus one 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NXP5Z
Downvoting is rude? Are you serious? Also, it seems you are already in an iterative process with your questions ;) The thing about iteratively improving something is that you actually have to change something between the attempts. — NXP5Z 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the account reporter
Too many unproven assumptions here. Votes are anonymous by design, so you usually cannot infer where they came from nor for what reason. The target duplicate is a non-discussion FAQ that establishes the community's current consensus. Anything trying to refute that would need to be much more substantial than this. — E_net4 the account reporter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@RobertLongson: I will go through. Thanks — minus one 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Downvoting is not rude. That has been reiterated so many times, and the point still doesn't get across. But even if it was, which would you rather: be rude, or get insulted by the people you wanna help by leaving a comment with a downvote reason? Because it's a real risk, and happens often — Zoe 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@NXP5Z: Yes without letting people known why you do it, it is! IMO: It is basically "silent treatment" — minus one 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@Zoe: IMO: without comment it is! Sorry. — minus one 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
Vote for duplicate, leave a comment if its bad, vote for delete, downvote if you have to. That's the order to do it. — minus one 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@Nick: Vote for duplicate, downvote if you have to. — minus one 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
If a question is an obvious duplicate (strictly an obvious one, obscure ones are a different story) or worthy of deletion, why would it not also be worthy of a downvote? — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaImTo
I wounder if we can use the SO api to check for images on tags then use @rene reverse image search to spot the wrong icons. — DaImTo 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@minusone You're missing my point, if a question is an obvious duplicate, like a duplicate of summing a list of numbers (note that's the canonical, not a duplicate), the question is unhelpful. Why would I not downvote it? I never have to do anything, but why shouldn't I? — Nick 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by minus one
@Nick: My question is not about voting, and will not try to change your voting habits. — minus one 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@DaImTo last time I checked there was no API nor SEDE so I produced this awesomeness: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/328278/578411rene 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
When I was reading the first part of the question, it seemed reasonable and understanding enough to take some time to comb through the posts and see if some were unjustly closed/dv'ed or at least provide feedback on why they were closed. When I read the second, that intention was gone - please, when seeking feedback from the community, try to avoid alienating others by using terms "elitist" (especially that one). Instead, state your case, give examples of posts you think are good, prepare for possibly harsh feedback (as you expose them to wider audience) - it would be much more constructive. — Oleg Valter 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaImTo
@rene defiantly qualify that as awesomeness. — DaImTo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
I must mention that to be burned, the tag has to fall under all 4 burnination criteria, and this one clearly does not. That said, I think a better approach would be to refine it to something useful (like if-statement), maybe rename it as well (as it is hard as hell to find anything related as it is a part of natural language) — Oleg Valter 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Bit of a bonus, keep in mind that leaving a comment on a downvote often gets a worse reaction than just a downvote. When a username gets associated with a downvote, the person who got downvoted can lash out. This happens relatively often as well, making people (including me) avoid leaving comments when taking any moderation action. It's much easier than dealing with users who handle the feedback - regardless of how constructively it's formed - horribly and take it as an attack, and retaliate. — Zoe 1 min ago
 
11:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Requires editing is for when users that aren't the OP can edit it into shape. If only OP can edit it appropriately (like in this case) Unsalvagable is the correct choice. — Nick 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
When the question can only salvaged by the post author, the question is neither "ok" nor "requires editing". Since it can be salvaged by the author it's not "unsalvageable" either, but that's the only good choice you have to close the question and give the post author the opportunity to fix their question. The buttons are simply mislabelled, you were review suspended to make you aware of the fact. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
That ^ and keep in mind that the vast majority of low-rep users don't come back after closure (source: experience). Seeing people fix questions after closure is rare, especially when said user also is a low-rep user. — Zoe 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Werner There is consensus, but half the reviewers were wrong or not aware of it :) — Nick 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Werner
Fair points, but it's still questionable whether there was consensus over how the question should be categorized. Only 50% of reviewers classified it as 'unsalvageable.' — Werner 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Several users making a mistake does not make your decision right. — yivi 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Code, identifiers and file paths should be formatted as code. error output and logs is a bit less defined. some users prefer quotes, some users prefer code-blocks. I personally think it depends on the type of output/error log; which is very technology/tag dependent. Users should use their own discretion to style the output as faithfully as possible; while trying to preserve readability as much as they can. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Code is basically the equivalent of unformatted text, whereas Quote is just fancy normal text. If a log contains anything that may be sensitive to formatting (alignment, special characters, ...) it should be code. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
error output and logs should be formatted as code if it's a stacktrace or anything elsewhere it's extremely useful for the output lines to be after each other instead of soft wrapped with no hard newlines. For cases where it isn't as important, either is fine, but there's some cases where a code block should be preferred over quotes. really case-dependent, so it's really enough to compare readability. — Zoe just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Which again, depends a lot on the technologies used. I've seen a lot of error logs in the web side of technology were formatting them as code is simply terrible (even when the user remembers to use lang=none). But I understand that for other technologies, simply quoting the error can hide the necessary details to diagnose the issue. So in essence, it depends. — yivi 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Agreed, judging from experience, if an error is a one-liner "cannot read [prop] of undefined" (for example), it is easier to read as a quote (easier to parse visually), whereas it makes sense to format as code when the asker dumps the whole stack trace for the error along the way. — Oleg Valter 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@OlegValter how isn't it a clear "no" on each of the criteria? It's either a sole no, or a "depends on the which, and then again probably no". Can you clarify why you think it's "clearly" not a no on each of them? — Adriaan just now
 
11:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Adriaan - maybe I misunderstood you, but the 1 & 2 & 3 reads as only partially in favour of burning, and as far as I recall, burning requires clear fail on all criteria ( not judging the merit of such a restriction ). I am not defending the tag, though - as it stands now, I think it is, well, not very useful, and your points are valid, just mention that we can go a less destructive route — Oleg Valter 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
It isn't wrong, full size image is here. — Hans Passant 30 secs ago
 
12:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@OlegValter 1,2,3 are in favour of burnination. It's a for-sure burn for UNIX's which, and unless you want to end up with tags for r-which, python-which, java-which, php-which etc ad nauseam, those can be burninated as well as per my answer. Could you please detail what you mean with a "less-destructive route"? I see only very few ways of dealing with this, which mainly involves creating all the mentioned language-specific tags. — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Ok I'll bite..... I see questions about data with 'this doesn't give me what I expect' with no sample of data or expected results. I also see a lot of 'design' questions. You do know Stack isn't for 'I dunno how to do X, can someone help me get started?'. For someone that combed through their own posts... Did you check the help center as well? :/. Seems to me you need a mentor, not a free q&a site hell bent on moderation and quality — Patrice 1 min ago
 
12:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Adriaan - hm, what about making it a which-function (and giving it a wiki)? Seems like on-topic questions are about them. Plus it is searchable. We can retag/close the rest of the q's that are off-topic/incorrectly tagged then (if there still are). Certainly not in favour of combining with language tags, I agree that those should be burned on the spot. Re:criteria - I think, if the content is on-topic at least in part (#2), we shall strive to find a way to bring it in shape ( that said, it isn't my intention to get adversarial on that ) — Oleg Valter 51 secs ago
 
12:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
I feel that you are just ranting because your bad questions got you banned. It's just a feeling I have, no evidence, you understand, yes? — Martin James 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fattie
@Ooker , the simple fact is folks don't care much about the specific close reason. When someone sees a low quality question, they just click to close it. (Very often they literally just choose the top one in the list! Who can be bothered tediously and carefully evaluating a list of close reasons, few people.) That's the actual answer to your question. Any rationales given supposedly explaining the exquisite details of why one or the other were chosen, are totally fatuous. — Fattie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Flag it as a duplicate if you can. — Paulie_D 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fattie
@Ooker , you are chasing details on a completely non-existent issue. (A) all of the close reasons are incredibly poorly written, (B) almost always the close reason is just something like "pretty low quality question, obvious mistake, too beginner level" and folks just try to pick one that is in some way close to that, and (C) few people put any much thought in to which button they pick on that screen. More fundamentally new users and beginners are just not welcome on SO. SO-Snark is one of the basic facts on the net. Searching for detail is pointless. — Fattie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akib Azmain
@Paulie_D I can do that, I can even raise close vote on my question, but would that help me to get out of my ban? — Akib Azmain 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fattie
"How do we know that questions based on a false premise are rarely useful?" Of course, obviously, questions based on a false premise can be useful. I ask all of the most challenging questions on the site in my fields, and indeed very often the outcome is false premise. What you're seeing is fatuous post-facto quasi-rationales (which are bizarre/whacky) for the simple reality ... to reduce it to gutter language nobody gives a shit about close reasons. — Fattie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No, it won't. It won't hurt either. The only thing that can help you out of the ban is improving existing questions so they receive upvotes, or post good questions in the future so they are well received. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by C8H10N4O2
Your questions don't look bad. One of your titles "can't see anything on screen" could be more descriptive, and your last question could perhaps have been reduced to a mcve but you can do these things and still get a low response rate, depending on what tags you're active on. — C8H10N4O2 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaImTo
So Telerik UI has sponsored the Blazor tag as a way to get advertisement for their product. interesting. — DaImTo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fattie
"it just means that the question is not useful to SO" That's like saying, if party B loses an election, "Party B is not useful". As it happens, by consensus, basic/beginner questions are not welcome on SO. But that's only as it happens and by consensus. SO-Snark is a basic on the internet, it's utterly misguided to ignore that reality. — Fattie 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
That stinks. I'd gladly pay up front for the international shipping costs of the swag... — Gimby 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@OlegValter having the tag called which or which-function is moot to me. Might as well update the tag-wiki of which in the first place. The entire problem with that name though is as mentioned in the question, and point 1 and 3 of my answer here: it'd be ambiguous due to the plethora of different languages with a which functionality, all of which are implemented differently and do different things. So no, having a single tag for all those functions lumped together isn't a good thing IMO. — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I usually like to put error messages as code inside a quote block to help highlight that it is not my content but rather a response that I'm quoting, which I think is the most important distinction for error messages. Though indeed if the error message isn't a stack trace or something where code formatting is critical, then I just wrap it in a quote block. — TylerH 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
There is a 4th option: use a quote block around a code block. — TylerH 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Things that should not ever be wrapped in code syntax highlighting: names of libraries or frameworks in prose, e.g. "I'm using jQuery". — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
Yes, questions about certain which functions might be on-topic, but we don't need a tag about every single function in java either. So the concept of which can be on-topic, but I haven't yet seen compelling arguments as to why a "random" function in a "random" language should have its own tag. — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@TylerH No!.. Please, no. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Please don't put error messages that has multiple lines in quote blocks. It's completely unreadable. The errors are almost always easy to skim when they're put into a proper code block. — Scratte 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte You realise you a quote block can do multiple lines line just remember to leave two spaces after a carriage return. — Lankymart 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
Check out the history of the "Too Localized" close reason, it was deliberately killed off to avoid people trying to predict the future. Personally I'd far rather have a (well written) question that "seems useless" stick around, I don't think it's a good idea to let a few close voters decide among themselves that nobody else would ever want to ask the same thing, but I guess some users want that? — jrh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart I just tried. It doesn't seem to adhere to the carriage return at all. No matter how many spaces I put after each line. — Scratte 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
Seems a lot of people here don't understand how quote blocks can be used. It will only wrap text if you don't place a hard carriage return followed by two spaces, but most people are either too lazy or just don't know it's possible. — Lankymart 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Lankymart \n did not work to enforce linebreaks inside quote blocks for me. — MisterMiyagi 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Adriaan - I know R has which function, but I don't know of any in Java (which [insert name here] is asked only in context of using shell) and PHP ( if you referred to this query, they ask for alternatives ). Maybe I am lacking some domain knowledge, but it seems like the alternative is R/UNIX, we can simply disambiguate. It has reasonable amount of watchers (50), 75% of q's are about R. Also, maybe we should ask akrun to weigh in? — Oleg Valter 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
It would be a waste of the reviewers time to allow them to edit an audit, because it's useless. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
See edit I just made. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@TRiG Aside from that, you're letting some personal frustration muddle the waters here; OP is confused about the applicability of a close reason. Nothing was ever said about deleting content or some shadowy, scaremonger of a group such as "a cadre of deletionists" — TylerH 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
I know, but like I say it can be used in quote blocks. — Lankymart 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@TRiG Eh, it's probably true Joel/Jeff didn't intend to gatekeep, but I think the site was definitely intended (as tours/help pages still show today) for programmers of a higher caliber/interest level. From Joel's 2008 announcement on the problems SO was intended to solve: "And you won’t even get an expert answer. You’ll get a bunch of responses typed by other programmers like you. Some of the responses will be wrong, some will be right, some may be out of date, and it’s hard to imagine that with the cooperative spirit of the internet this is the best thing we programmers have come up with." — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Lankymart Thanks for the clarification. Note that this is not specific to quote formatting, it will work in regular text as well. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte Sorry meant to say two spaces followed by a carriage return, see the edit here. — Lankymart 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@OlegValter at the very least MATLAB has a which as well, and probably more languages do. So I'm still no fan of disambiguation, as you'd need r-which, php-which and matlab-which at the very least, presumably more languages need to be added at some point. Besides, at least for the MATLAB one, there's in my opinion no need for having the tag. That'd be like creating matlab-for or something. — Adriaan just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It moves on because the post has already been handled, though it's extremely frustrating when there's a post that needs editing, but clicking "edit" triggers an audit failure. The best move is to not playZoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
If that's what happened (Telerik sponsored Blazor and put their own icon on the tag), it sounds like a process change is sorely needed. That is misleading. — TylerH 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart I cannot see the actual commonMark as I do not have edit privileges. But I tried this: Just normal, then two spaces at the end of each line which was fine until I marked it and pressed the quotes that messed up the lines to only having 5 lines, not 9. Un-quoting them made it even worse, not bringing it back to the way it was. — Scratte 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Zoe just like normal text, quote blocks can force line breaks using two spaces followed by a carriage return. See Line breaks section in this answer. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Lankymart which would you rather though: append 2 spaces to every line in a relatively long stacktrace, or just use a blockquote? Blockquotes are also guaranteed to render properly on mobile, where as quotes wrap text on small enough screens — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte don't use the quote block tool to convert it, just start with > then past your lines adding two spaces at the end of each line you want to break. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Lankymart That seems to make a big difference :) Unfortunately most of the errors in quotes I see on main is really just a big.. mess. Likely due to the tool. — Scratte 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@HereticMonkey Good point. Adjusted the wording. — MisterMiyagi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
"When in doubt, prefer code formatting" ... for error messages, code, file paths. Not for anything else. I spend entirely too much time cleaning up other people's edits to add code formatting to words that are not code (like names of programing languages, libraries, frameworks, etc.). — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
If this is not just another of the (far too many) "oopsies, wrong tag" goofs and is in fact intentionally requested by Telerik, then this would normally be textbook trademark infringement by using the Blazor logo as part of their own, more complex logo, and then inserting said logo on a 'blazor' tag; they are essentially associating someone else's product and reputation with their own name. Because blazor and .NET are open-source, I'm not sure if the logo is trademarked, so worst case Telerik may just be guilty of bottom-of-the-barrel behavior here. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Zoe agree just pointing out that quote blocks do support hard breaks. Personally I only use quote blocks for error messages and code, logs etc I use a variation of the code block via syntax highlighted or lang-none for logs. — Lankymart 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Scratte Yes!... Please, yes. — TylerH 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@Scratte personally I'd use code block with lang-none for logs and large errors (stack traces). If it's just a one or two line error message I use a quote block. — Lankymart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Stuff only makes sense if you understand when they're meant to be used. Doesn't help people who don't understand when they're meant to be used, because they don't have a concept of when it makes sense — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
If you want to edit that post you can go into your history. — Wai Ha Lee 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Edit review audits tend to be faked, done by the machine inserting random words into a post. That clearly happened with your audit, fixing it doesn't make sense. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NearHuscarl
@HansPassant the fixed is not related to fake edit. The post (not the one that you mentioned) had some other problems with the formatting before it was inserted with random words. — NearHuscarl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NearHuscarl
@WaiHaLee, thanks for the tips. But the button is still deceptive though, I thought there would be an editor opened for me when I click the edit button but there wasn't. — NearHuscarl 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Zoe but then you get into the argument that "what is code" and should all code be formatted as code. I prefer not to use formatting unless you know that it would be used correctly. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
I guess, then, that you could reframe your question as a feature request - something like "'Reject and Edit' for review audits should pass the audit and allow editing the original post". — Wai Ha Lee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's usually not logical to actually edit those audit posts... Sore, it's slightly misleading, but changing the button for audits would make the audit even more obvious. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
It's not really a software recommendation, @CodyGray. Skinning a Linux OS to make it seem like another is a whole level of effort and exercise that can take literally months to get right. Having done this in the distant past, I can say with confidence that the Stack Exchange model is a poor fit for questions like this. — Makoto 1 min ago
 
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