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12:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
If an answer was posted after the bounty started, the standing policy is to let the bounty end. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
then something need to be changed. We should be able to not refund the bounty. I don't see why we need to refund the bounty in such case. We should give Mod the ability to not refund the bounty because actually all situations are benefical to the OP. — Temani Afif 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
If I understand correctly, the reason the bounty question isn't closed is because if the bounty is refunded to the OP, then it's unfair to the answerer. Since when has SO been about fairness? The answerer deserves it, because he answered a bad question. — 10 Rep just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
even if we massively downvote the question, the Rep will be back after the delete so we can clearly do nothing when a bounty is added. We can simply hope to catch it before an answer is added which impossibleTemani Afif 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@10Rep No, not the answerer. If we close and delete the question then the answerer doesn't get any reputation from it. We want the person who placed the bounty to lose their reputation. They have already spent it and gotten what they need, so mods shouldn't refund it back. — Dharman 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@TemaniAfif I agree it is difficult to catch it in the first two days, but you can set a reminding and come back to it once the bounty is over. Then flag and ask moderators to delete the question. This will nullify all reputation changes, except for the person who placed the bounty. — Dharman 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Dharman Ok, I understand. In that case, then why not end the bounty and not refund the bounty manually? Do mods have tools for that? — 10 Rep 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@10Rep Mods can only refund the bounty. They can't end it. If they were to refund the bounty now, then OP would have gotten what they wanted for free. There is no way close the question without giving the reputation points back to the person who placed the bounty unless the bounty is awarded to someone. Mods can't award the bounty. — Dharman 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@Dharman But that would be a good feature, right? This way it would save a lot of work, and you could close bountied questions. I'll place a feature request if you agree. — 10 Rep 43 secs ago
 
1:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
I'm opposed because "identifier" is a formal term in programming. It refers to things like variable names in programming languages and table names in databases. "ID" refers more often to some kind of unique numeric key. — jpmc26 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
And if it happens, maybe they'll upvote it. If not... we don't need to somehow "fix" the system to accommodate it. — Kevin B 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sellyme
"Will someone who has this problem come up with the same question, similar title, such that they'd be able to find it?" - an extremely well documented and comprehensive question+answer to an obscure problem should be comparatively easy to find, as there's not going to be many other relevant results for whatever search queries you try. Looking at the specific question that prompted this discussion, I can't see how someone with the same problem wouldn't find the question simply by searching the error message with one or two other keywords. — Sellyme 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@TylerH Because identifier is not the same as unique identifier, and "id" typically refers to the latter. — jpmc26 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
I'm opposed because identifier refers to a name that the programmer uses in code (including SQL code or similar languages). "id" typically refers to a unique identifier. Those are totally different. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Leffler
Thanks for the work checking for 'multifactorials' — and for synonymizing the tags. — Jonathan Leffler 8 secs ago
 
2:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
 
2:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
Alternate proposal: burninate identifier too — Joundill 1 min ago
 
3:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
you can try to edit the question, at least wuth up and down vote ot works — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wjandrea
@Joundill Hey now, I just self-answered a question about identifiers ;) I'm also starting a project about identifiers, so the top questions should be useful. — wjandrea 1 min ago
 
3:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Synonym was proposed by oberstet, Jul 31 '14; Approved now. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
What if there's a new tag, or tags without gold badgers? What possible ways you can see your feature request being abused? — Samuel Liew ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
@wjandrea To be fair, the identifier being discussed in those questions is different depending on the context. There are a decent number of questions in there relating to id in the HTML DOM, which is technically not incorrect. — Joundill 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
How is this question related to tag-hierarchy? — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@SamuelLiew 2. One possible way is that a gold badger upvotes DV to trigger another ceiling of reward and then answer the question by himself, so I put my opinion in the #1 of how it works to rule out this possibility. Another one is that people are going to wait for another ceiling to trigger by some gold badgers for more reward and then answer it when the reward is high enough, which is exactly what it is really intended for because they wouldn't bother solving this question any way if they don't want to. — holydragon 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@SamuelLiew 1. Gold Badgers, to me, are guaranteed experts in SO. If there is another way to identify them then feel free to suggest. Therefore, if a tag has no gold badgers then no one will be able to use the feature in such tag. — holydragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pestophagous
@cyqsimon this skewed reward/points thing happens to answers as well as to questions. I have come across several of these unanswered-for-years questions and have on occasion finally found my own solution and then posted the first valid answer ever (after years). These answers of mine are truly my proudest and most beloved answers, but most only ever achieve 1 upvote, if any. But at least I get a necromancer badge :) — pestophagous 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
As if we don't have enough "I searched Netflix for two weeks and could not find an answer but you just downcasted my perfect question"... Now twice as much - one for downvotes, one for "you are complete ... elitist - this is very difficult question. And I'm not going even try to investigate myself as it is so difficult one". — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Why do or should we care about the difficulty level of a question? Regardless of difficulty level, good questions and answers make a contribution to our knowledge base, which is the mission of this site. — Cody Gray ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
By and large, feature requests don't get implemented, so we work with what we have. And if I was going to choose one feature request, it wouldn't be allowing mods to cancel bounties without refunding. It would simply be to let the community close bountied questions by consensus. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
4:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
"Difficulty" is highly subjective. It doesn't depend on the question alone, but also on the experience level of individual users. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@ModusTollens So I scope the usage to only the Experts in the field (Gold Badge users). If experts say it is difficult, it "most likely" is really difficult. — holydragon 1 min ago
 
5:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
I guess the people who voted are in the best situation to answer that. Beats me. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Until you define "difficulty of a question" this doesn't say anything. — philipxy 28 secs ago
 
5:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@yivi - totally off-topic, but possibly useful comment, the English idiom is "muddies the water" (as in, adds mud, making it less clear), not "muddles" - I'm not sure that I could tell the difference between muddled water and water that was neatly sorted :) — DaveyDaveDave 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@philipxy If a Gold Badge user cannot answer a question, it is considered "difficult" and hence worth a DV. — holydragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@CodyGray There are several unanswered questions that have not been attractive enough or are difficult that made them still unanswered. This will make that kind of questions from this moment onward to be more attractive so that they will get answers. Since more questions get answered, shouldn't we, the community, care about it that it helps contributing to our knowledge base further more or less. — holydragon 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@philipxy I'm so sorry. I will update the information accordingly. — holydragon 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Your post doesn't say that. — philipxy 1 min ago
 
6:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Your comment describes precisely what the bounty system is intended to resolve. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by endolith
"There is so much information on SO that I tend to answer my own questions 99% of the time." Sometimes more literally: "Wow this person from 5 years ago had exactly the same question that I have, I wonder wh... oh." — endolith 1 min ago
 
6:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
General purpose programming languages can be used for a very broad field of problems. Gold badge holders for a given language tags are not likely to be experts in every problem area however. E.g. I am a Python gold badge holder but you won’t find me answering machine learning questions. But not every Python machine learning question is “difficult”. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mast
Burn it. There are way too many tags that became useless by being overused, this is one of them. — Mast 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
@MartijnPieters It depends on individual expert. If one is not expert in the field, you should give no vote. If you consider yourself one and you think it is difficult or you cannot answer it then you should upvate DV so it makes sense. — holydragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@MartijnPieters I feel you made my point better than me. And before me. Just as another example - let's say I've a gold badge in a language. If there is a question that is algorithmic in nature, like "Find 3D area encompassed by some object" I wouldn't be able to answer it because I not that good with geometry. Yet that doesn't mean the question is hard because of the language. A user completely unfamiliar with the language could answer it had they the mathematical knowledge. So, what's "difficult" for a gold badge holder doesn't mean it's "difficult" overall. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@holydragon that’s not what will happen. Your feature gives this power to all gold badge holders in a tag. Users will not arbitrarily hold back using it. The bounty system already covers the same use cases and at least incurs a cost for the “difficulty vote” (placing a bounty requires investing your rep), and that cost regulates their use. How would you regulate “difficulty votes”? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
Super agreed. And I still confused in some explanation of FAQ. Stackoverflow is better that has different answers explained in different ways instead of one. — Michael 1 min ago
 
7:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
In first paragraph you say merge, in second you are against. So what are you up to? I downvoted the answer just in case.. — Sinatr 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthieu M.
I think it's important to realize that reputation is a popularity contest. I have poured my soul in some of my answers: diving into the specifications, demonstrating the effects with code, tying it with the OP's particular issue... but the question was so gnarly to begin with that nobody bothered reading it and therefore I received maybe 10 or 15 points, 25 at most. On the other hand, I've written one-liners to easy questions that scored over a 1000 upvotes: easy questions are relatable, everybody can judge whether the answer matches... — Matthieu M. 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matej J
Is this a bug or is it intentional? — Matej J 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matej J
If the bug is reported, does it ever get adressed? Because in my case, people only started to explain what is happenning, I did not get any answer from mods if it is gonna get fixed... — Matej J 1 min ago
 
7:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
It’s a bug. Bounty invalidations have several related issues, this is one of them. I’d not worry much about it, and we generally strongly encourage avoiding the set of circumstances that lead to such invalidations anyway. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
8:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by amalloy
Even to someone who doesn't care about fake Internet points, a bounty is still attractive. Expert answerers are on Stack Overflow for interesting questions, and a bounty indicates a problem that is at least not so trivial as to be solved by random passers-by. — amalloy 31 secs ago
 
8:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
Gold Badge user cannot answer a question, it is considered "difficult" and hence worth a DV. --> I have a gold badge on the JS tag and I don't answer JS questions .. I simply got it because many CSS question are tagged with JS so I am far from being a JS expert — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
I now realize that Gold Badge user is not a guaranteed expert of the field. However, my point is that I want bind the ability to DV with experts but there is no way to identify the experts of the field for each question in SO. So, this is not going to work. Thank you. — holydragon 46 secs ago
 
9:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivan866
Lets make it clear already; SO is not the best place to seek IT-related answers, as it was somewhere in 2012; moreover, I suspect there is also an affiliation-based effect present nowadays - members with high ranks and ratings get more attention and receive positive feedback (marks, likes etc.) more often even when the question is too easy, too naive or far too difficult or unnecessary specific — ivan866 6 secs ago
 
9:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
Because they are not broad. They ask very specific thing — Alex Guteniev 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Any reason to believe the complexity of the questions would be the reason for closure and not, say, because they are too broad? — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The first question when it got closed asked "Why is Intel JCC Erratum called "JCC" Erratum?" and "So what exactly is going on? Why only JCC is mentioned sometimes (including title), and why is macro-fused mentioned separately (in MSVC doc) if any jump is impacted (the list above means pretty much any jump) ?" while the second one asks "I'm wondering what are the use cases.". — Jeanne Dark 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Asking for a list of use cases is not really specific... — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I think the second one needs some editing to ask something more specific than "what are the use cases," but that with some light edits, it would be a great question with a great answer. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
Use cases of a specific function. I don't think it is broad. Can be rephrased as "why does this function exist?" — Alex Guteniev 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tinkeringbell
I'm going to send this over to MSO, because it's asking about that site only. — Tinkeringbell 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
The first question was asking for a specific thing yet it was opinion based. "Why was X the way it is?" questions tend to rely on opinions, not facts. An authoritative answer is most likely to come from an actual person who designed or created X. That's not really a good fit. See Eric Lippert's Why Doesn't C# Implement "Top Level" Methods? - it usually applies to the oppisite "Why is" rather than "isn't. It's a broad question without a specific enough answer in most cases. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
@VLAZ, I see, but there are still a lot of questions and answers on CPU architetcure based on opinions and researches, since the sources are unavailable. Would be rather bad if all them need to be closed — Alex Guteniev 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
If I visit a question from 2009 today, you're counting this as a visit in 2009. Given that, I really don't see how more recent questions can ever compete with older ones. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
Comparing activity on posts spread over such a wide timeframe requires a different method than just flat out comparing the numbers. You'd need to compare their activity over a fixed timeframe, e.g. the first week the post existed. I'm afraid your query does little more than prove that the accumulated number of views and votes don't decrease over time. — ivarni 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@AlexGuteniev depends. Do they fit within the Q&A framework we have here? As in, can they be authoritatively answered by people who aren't the creators/designers of a piece of technology? Sometimes that's possible. But in many cases it isn't. See for example the discussion of the cURL question where the only person who could answer was the creator himself. It was also answered by said developer. The question was specific but still not fit for SO. — VLAZ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
⁺¹ for proposing to reward answering especially elaborate questions which are therefore hard to answer. But the problem of the question above remains: How can we change the automatic SO behavior so that the elaborate hard to answer questions are more obvious? Currently they aren't reaching many people, that's the point. — Alfe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Alfe Added this concern. Thank you. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jamiec
Your query is waaaaay to simplistic to draw any meaningful conclusions from. — Jamiec 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
I see. The rephrased question should JCC really be treated separately? has quite reasonable answer, and even under the original name Why Intel JCC Erratum called "JCC" Erratum it is still a reasonable speculation at the end of the answer. — Alex Guteniev 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
the examples you're showing here are all quite old and back then it seems to have worked out well, but recently I more often see such questions down- and close voted in no itme. Sometimes the question is downvoted and closed as a dup, but get's a quick answer before getting closed and then answer gets some upvotes. Not sure if the idiots game is the way forward — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@jps Yes, The issue is still the same. The examples are just a few examples of what I meant. Elaborate answers recently get dvted and closed as "needs details or clarity" or as dupe very quickl although it might not be appropriate. - Yes, As I already said this method I don't like either, but what to do when you want an answer. Of course, I would never omit crucial parts of the questions, but I would try to omit what omit parts of what I tried to do so far to accomplish it or get an answer. It's silly I know, but that's the only way that is going work well, I try it. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
The main question wasn't about how well such a complex question gets scored, but how well it is spread in order to reach the few people who might be able to answer it. We seem to mix the two aspects here. — Alfe 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@jps Yes, The issue is still the same. The examples are just a few for what I meant. Elaborate answers recently get downvoted and closed as "needs details or clarity" or as dupe very quickly although it might not be appropriate. - I experience this by myself often. - Yes, As I already said this method I don't like either, but what to do when you want an answer? Of course, I would never omit crucial parts of the questions, but I would try to omit parts of what I tried to do so far to accomplish it or get an answer. It's silly I know, but if that's the only way that is going work well, I try it. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It does make a good twitter headline ... — rene 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@rene "8 reasons Stack Overflow is not as popular as before. You won't believe the last three!" — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
10:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
And we have another candidate for the win with > 5K results: Thanx in advance! — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
In case the inference is lost, let me copy my comment from the question: So, we need a tag for each property that a programming language can have? Of course not. Tagging with [python] should be enough for anyone to know that some knowledge on python is needed. — Braiam just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Sinatr it's moving the proposal from comments. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
10:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I think we have enough review queues as it is. — Cerbrus 22 secs ago
 
11:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gldraphael
I like where this is coming from. Not sure about implementing something like this, but it'll be nice if SO can shift focus from disincentivizing poor questions to incentivizing good questions. Maybe this doesn't even need a queue. Upvotes from tag-badge holders could, for instance, bump a question's quality rating. And the home page could take quality rating into consideration when showing questions... just a thought. — gldraphael 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Greg Burghardt
I like the general idea behind tagging these sorts of questions, but I don't think the asker should be responsible for this. How many questions will I need to wade through like fix 'syntax error, expected ;' (tagged: expert-question)? Maybe a moderator like system where people nominate a question as such? — Greg Burghardt 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jerrymouse
Old answers are more trustworthy due of their current upvotes. Hence they will continue to get more views and upvotes due to Matthew effect. This also means that newer posts will have to wait longer to gain same number of votes as their predecessors. — jerrymouse 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@GregBurghardt Yes, the tag I proposed is different in this aspect, correct. I just called it a tag in brainstorming mode. Actually, I think it rather is a new value for each question which can be influenced by other people, maybe moderators, maybe high-scored users or similar. — Alfe 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and belongs on the main site. — greg-449 57 secs ago
 
11:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@jerrymouse Maybe you should factor in that new technologies and new libraries often will be more frequently searched for than older things before drawing a blanket conclusion about that. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lino - Vote don't say Thanks
Also brainstorming: What about a new "queue", into which rather large and extensive questions are put and then can be reviewed by reviewers — Lino - Vote don't say Thanks 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
The biggest question is: Why are accepted answers on top at all? — klutt 38 secs ago
 
12:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@AlexGuteniev - As a member of the community I don’t find speculation very helpful. I want concrete factual answers, as a reviewer, I vote to close questions that will probably receive answers that are based on speculation. — Security Hound 58 secs ago
 
12:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
this question: stackoverflow.com/q/63098186/8620333 is far from being a good question — Temani Afif 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
What is your question? Have you read How does “Reputation” work? or Why did I gain/lose reputation? Can I audit my reputation history?? What is your feature request? At any rate, it doesn’t matter how experienced you are. You are still expected to do your research: How much research effort is expected of Stack Overflow users?. — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
All questions are expected to adhere to the same standards, no matter the asker's experience level. That's not a flaw, that's a feature. — fbueckert 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@ColleenV "Maybe we need a network-wide "stumpers" list for well-received but unanswered questions that have been hanging around for a while..." With custom filters one could probably already get that information. "is:question closed:no answers:0" in the search and then sort by score. stackoverflow.com/…Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Answerers can’t be responsible for it either, if it means they would then get anything for answering it. The bounty system exists for this purpose. — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
1:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
@Trilarion Score, age, views, would definitely be part of any “stumper” ID algorithm. I think there would be some benefit to putting a rotating list of the best ones on the sidebar to try to catch people’s attention, just like the Hot questions. We know that works because we’ve all seen a crappy question get a bunch of upvotes because it was “hot”. Imagine harnessing that power for unanswered questions. — ColleenV 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@jpmc26 it sounds like you are responding to a question I did not ask. — TylerH 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
If you feel like too many good questions don't get attention they deserve, one way to help (a bit) is to prune poor questions by down voting and close voting. — Dalija Prasnikar 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
Another idea - What if Stack exchange had daily or weekly quests (they would be based on the privileges you’ve earned)? Answer an “unanswered” question that is more than X days old. Review 5 posts from any queue. Suggest a tag wiki for an old tag. Maybe quests get you profile flair instead of reputation once you hit 20K. Or something. It seems like SE could encourage people to tackle a variety of things & learn more about the site. — ColleenV 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
It looks that you are questioning the current tag excerpt, otherwise what is the point of mentioning to previous one? The other hand the way to handle tags that causes harm is called "burnination" — Rubén just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Burninate has special criteria. Causes harm isn't the only criteria. The point of mentioning of previous guideline is that, that is the guideline used for 3 years and the latest guideline barely for 1-3 months. — TheMaster 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
Using your logic, the ask a question page causes more harm because it's failing on guiding askers to use the tagging feature effectively — Rubén 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"have moderators upvote posts" - unclear what a "moderator" is here. Should we assume you mean site user, since we're basically all moderators? You can't possibly mean diamond moderators, there are not nearly enough of those assimilated into the collective to make any kind of a dent. Reviewing quality takes domain knowledge to even further subdivide that small pool. — Gimby 46 secs ago
 
1:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
The root cause of questions "being hidden" from potential answerers isn't this tag. It's very likely that root cause is that the askers of those question don't know how to ask a good question. Anyway, did you know that there are >4k questions open, without any answers that currently have google-apps-script? — Rubén 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@bravemaster yeah don't use so many words in the site search :) Search as if you're a cave man. "Review suspension meta, unga bunga". — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bravemaster
@Gimby Searching by "Review suspension meta [unga bunga]" will only show posts of users complaining their review suspension in SO. :D — bravemaster 1 min ago
 
2:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Does this tag offer any advantage over just google-apps-script tag? Why is segregation necessary? If you want debugging or editor related questions, Wouldn't it be easier to just search for google-apps-script+ editor? — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Personally I find bountied questions to more often than not be the worst questions around. They're often poorly researched or poorly debugged. Everyone seems to think their own problem is somehow more important or more complex because they can't figure it out, and reinforce that idea by the fact that their post isn't getting attention. — Kevin B just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
@TheMaster This tags i helpful to find canonical questions / dup candidates for questions about the GAS editor. Relaying only on google-apps-script makes it very hard and is becoming harder and harder as the this tag popularity increases. — Rubén 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rubén
This tag is an essential part of what I do every "night", "... try to take over the world!" :) — Rubén 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The best way one can contribute to this community is to provide answers, then as you earn rep, begin helping with moderation duties such as editing poorly worded/asked questions/answers into better ones, frequenting the review queues, and participating on meta and in chat. We have enough askers. — Kevin B 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
"Is it possible for SO to completely provide the FB experience but in an educative way? Or is it simply not SO's aim at all?". It's simply not Stack Overflow's aim at all. And that's the reason the site remains useful. — yivi 1 min ago
 
2:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Let Facebook be Facebook, (or Discord, or whatever). Let SO be SO. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Elm
Thanks @yivi for this clarification. I know my ideas will be highly downvoted, but I don't agree with "And that's the reason the site remains useful" at all. Older generations (people of 30 and above) will not understand me. And unfortunately these are, I guess, most of the active members of SO. Passive visitors are much more though, and I don't think most of them would disagree with my post. But unfortunately, they'll not be aware of it.. — Adam Elm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You dismissing the opinions of other users because they are older than you is as wrong as other users dismissing your opinion because you are younger. I presume you wouldn't like it. So please do not do it yourself. — yivi 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@jps I've updated the list to see what I mean. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
I do not want private messages from thousands of homework vamps:(( — Martin James 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
The people who were young when Facebook came along are literally in their 30s now. — ivarni 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"If someone thinks their question is deserving of more attention, that's what the bounty system is there for." worth noting that people can place bounties on somebody else's questions as well. So, in a sense an expert can already reward "difficult question" by putting a bounty on it. — VLAZ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@ivarni millenials ruining Facebook... :P — VLAZ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I feel like the general idea of giving more weight to experienced users' rating is good. However, the real question then is how to actually do that without just shifting the problem. A review queue just does not fit – close-votes and such are based on formal characteristics, not quality. SO's voting is based on popularity/quantity, not expertise/quality – which is precisely what this question is about, by the way. There are lots of tags (e.g. python) where having a silver/gold batch is no statement of quality at all. Boosting the importance of such users might just increase the problem. — MisterMiyagi 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
I hardly ever answer now. I cannot even be bothered to downvote the homework dumps. — Martin James 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@jps I've updated the list with recent examples. Some of them got closed but before they had sufficient answers and an unbelievable amount of upvotes. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@PeterMortensen Yes, Thank you. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "read through an answer": Don't you mean "read through a question"? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
In those situations the best thing you can do is leave a comment saying something like "likely a duplicate of X". Then future visitors can see it and flag/vote with that target. Yes, you won't be able to but overall the situations where you flag with one reason then have to change to another should be rare. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@ColleenV Would probably get some interest in that idea if it were it's own question... though unsure if it would be more appropriate here or mse — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@MisterMiyagi Fair points, but the idea is "something better than nothing" - and currently there's precisely nothing systematic in place to reward question quality. A Python gold badger yesterday marked a Keras question as duplicate, and the duplicate was barely relevant - so the current close system isn't perfect either. — OverLordGoldDragon 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OverLordGoldDragon
@Gimby I did mean them, and you're right - hence why I proposed the queue to lift the burden. Perhaps we could have an entirely separate set of moderators, exclusively for quality review - but that seems fetched at this point. — OverLordGoldDragon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio I get your point but there seem to be differences in the various tags, I also find it hard to predict, which question will get many upvotes and which one will be down- and closevoted. But for sure, short questions get at least more attention in one way or the other. — jps 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@MartinJames You need new bottle of Vim ;) — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
"To me it looks like the only thing SO wants is to create an infinite library of questions and answers, and not really to create a learning based social network of people evolving together." This is PRECISELY what SE is intended to bePaulie_D 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@jps Deleted the prediction part regarding voting. Maybe I dived a little too deep discussing about voting but I think it is constructive to illustrate and discuss about it here as it is however relevant in showing the contrast to a question with elaborate research effort. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
"There are two hard things in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -- Jeff Atwood. Nearly all questions asked on the site are fundamentally easy and come down to help using a language feature or hitting a typical gotcha. SO isn't typically a platform for solving difficult research problems on the frontiers of computer science. And even if we were facing truly difficult problems, there's no obvious benefit in voting or bucketing them differently, and even if there was, nobody will agree on how. — ggorlen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Also, keep in mind that "DV" typically means "downvote", which adds a lot of cognitive difficulty in reading this proposal. "if a Gold Badge user upvotes the DV" reads like "if a Gold Badge user upvotes the downvote". — ggorlen 1 min ago
 
3:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Without quoting thank in advance returns over 100k results. — oguz ismail 1 min ago
 
4:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blayer Bond
Oh. I wasn't aware of that. Does it mean I can't do anything about it? — Blayer Bond 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Deleting questions actually cause more harm in terms of the question ban than good. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@DalijaPrasnikar I'll bear that advice in mind when I go to Lidl later:) — Martin James 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Once you reach a question ban, it's very hard to get out of it. Supposedly (i've never experienced it myself) you receive several warnings along the way long before you reach the point of a full on ban, but once you get there... all you can do is improve your existing questions, or wait 6 months from your last question to ask the next, making sure the next one is good quality. That one question may not undo all the negative,but over time you can get back out of it if all your future questions are good. — Kevin B 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
I wonder what would happen to me if I labelled a user as 'ridiculous', 'childish' and 'pathetic' in a comment, even on meta? Naturally, SO curators get blamed for everything,as usual:(( — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blayer Bond
@MartinJames, well, it's how I experienced the negative reputation? Do you disagree on how the votes turned out? :/ — Blayer Bond 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
You don't know who downvoted and you certainly can't know WHY unless they specifically told you...please don't make assumptions like " because he disagrees with the object orient design of the OP"Paulie_D 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@oguzismail - oh, god... 10q in advance fixed (2 questions turned out to be valid, btw) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blayer Bond
@Paulie_D, you're right. I only know someone commented a day after the answer and suddenly I got a down vote. — Blayer Bond 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blayer Bond
@MartinJames, I wasn't aware of the fact that I was violating the rules if I shared what I thought of it. But since I am, I hope I can prevent another ban by editing it. Thanks for letting me know. — Blayer Bond 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
just added variation 49 and 50! — jps 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@BlayerBond if you misinterpret curation as hostility and hurl insults in reply, you are in violation of SO rules/policy, and that is not my problem - it's yours. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
'to create a learning based social network of people evolving together' AKA 'do all my home/paid work for free':( If SO wish to get rid of me, all they have to do is graft a social network onto SO, and I will be gone from here faster than a genie from a bottle. — Martin James 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
@Oleg yeah. I think this is a lost cause... — oguz ismail 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Your views are welcome, just keep the vitriol out of it. How would you respond if I labelled all those who ranted about a question ban as 'hopeless deadbeats, throwing around unjustified allegations without evidence to back them up'? — Martin James 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blayer Bond
@MartinJames, you're right; I've removed it :) — Blayer Bond 1 min ago
 
4:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
you forgot to add what is wrong with your code — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Hi Kazim Shabbir, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — rene 1 min ago
 
5:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
It's the other way around, isn't it? Also, according to stackoverflow.com/tags/synonyms it happened on June 15. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
 
5:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
The point of downvoting is to distinguish good content from bad. There are many reasons something can be bad, and it's a pretty subjective judgement. People not liking your approach is a reason to downvote; it could very well not be a good approach, thereby making it much less useful for future readers. — fbueckert 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blayer Bond
@fbueckert, I understand the system and I think it's a good thing; like you say, by downvoting you prevent the bad content from reaching other readers. If I only knew in time that I could get banned, I would have left out the opinion-based questions :/ — Blayer Bond 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Paulie_D just to clarify in case it's not clear what "that" in "This is PRECISELY what SE is intended to be" - it refers to "an infinite library of questions and answers". — VLAZ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
That is, unfortunately, sometimes what it takes to get users to sit up and take notice. It's an endemic problem to have new users ignore all warnings and guidance provided and continue to contribute low quality posts. It's a rough reception for those users, guaranteed, but it has to be done, for all our sanities. — fbueckert 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FabricioG
Part of the problem is that there's different levels of programmers. For a newbie a "below standard question" aka "dumb question" is a real question for them. But you get a "high end programmer" who thinks it's a below standard question. Not everyone has the benefit of getting a high end programming education before they start programming. #NewBeginnerProgrammersLivesMatter — FabricioG just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
@BlayerBond so this Q is now undeleted and from what I can tell the system no longer considers you q-banned — Jon Clements ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davide Fiocco
Correct! I had forgotten that "is synonym of" is not a symmetric for tags on SO :) Edited @JohnMontgomery! — Davide Fiocco 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blayer Bond
@JonClements, and others who helped: thank you very much for this chance! I will carefully consider asking questions in the future, so you won't regret it. I'm already simplifying the questions you just deleted, because I found it could. — Blayer Bond 1 min ago
 
6:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@CodyGray Could you kindly undo the synonymization [gas-web-app]=>[google-apps-script-web-application] instead? We can't propose any synonym of this tag anywhere. It says Reverse synonym google-apps-script-web-application already proposed on the tag gas-web-app. Thank you — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ColleenV
@KevinB Probably mse—If anyone wants to write it up feel free. I’m a bit slammed at work right now and not quite up to girding my loins for mse :) — ColleenV 1 min ago
 
6:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@KevinB Correct, a way to gain rep by one's own actions should not be invented to avoid giving an incentive to manipulate each question. But I think the bounty system has a different purpose; it is to be used if the asker (and only them) wants to raise the visibility of a question, typically because they need of working answer for individual reasons. This new proposed system on the other hand would improve SO by a new feature in which also answerers and pure readers can shift the visibility to a special interest group for social reasons. — Alfe 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
eh, not exactly, people use bounties all the time on questions they didn't ask for the explicit reason of reigniting interest in finding an answer for it. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@KevinB So in this case I think we could use one of many ways to avoid the bad incentive you mention: ① Let only moderators do this kind of voting, ② Raise only the accepted answer reward (not the upvote reward), ③ Take a rep-point from anybody who does this kind of upvote (a kind of micro-bounty system), and probably some more. — Alfe 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jerrymouse
@ivarni In that case, recent posts should be getting higher views than older posts. But that is not the case. — jerrymouse 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@KevinB Yes, they use bounties on other people's questions if they are interested the answer to this question (I dare assume for individual reasons, mostly). It doesn't matter that they didn't ask the question themselves. — Alfe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's always an individual reason. Even if they intended to answer it themselves, a bounty on the question increases the eyeballs, and therefore votes, that pass through the question and its answers. The bounty system is essentially a "paid" ad, only the payment is the made up currency we call rep. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
it doesn't make sense (at least to me) to add bootstrap4 or even bootstrap5 (which is still newly released) to a very old question/answer clearly not using bootstrap4 or bootstrap5 — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@jerrymouse How do you come to that conclusion? The older ones have still been around for longer. I was just countering your Matthew effect. The entire point here is that you can't directly compare those numbers like that. At least not if you want to use the results for anything. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@KevinB And the proposed system is rather a way to specify (by many) that this question is of a specific kind, namely this kind expert-question. It can also turn people away (the noobs) as well as raise the interest of the experts. — Alfe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AndrewL64
@TemaniAfif With regards to Bootstrap 5, I guess that does make sense since it is still on alpha version right now but with regards to bootstrap-4, it was a new version back then but it was relevant in 2015. — AndrewL64 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
who... is the many though? How do you get people to, well, see, these super complex (but otherwise no different than poorly researched/debugged questions) in front of people such that they can... "flag" them as special/complex? who does this serve? How does it help build a knowledgebase of useful questions and answers? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
If you don't think the relevance and popularity of the topic the question deals with will affect how long it has to "wait to gain the same number of votes" then by all means don't let me stop you. — ivarni 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jerrymouse
@ivarni I was replying to "will be more frequently searched". Matthew effect does exists. An answer that has 100 upvotes is more likely to be upvoted than an answer that has only 2 upvotes. The second answer might be more relevant. — jerrymouse 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
but the question is clearly about bootstrap3 not bootstrap4 — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@KevinB I don't want to answer the question who is supposed to vote a question to be an expert-question any more precisely than I already did because it's not part of my proposal. I am sure that this next question you raise can also be answered, though. Some ideas were already given but I didn't think them through to a point where I have made up my mind which would be the best solution. — Alfe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I was mostly hoping for some clarification on "① Let only moderators do this kind of voting,", considering moderators aren't there for their technical expertise and can't possibly cover such a workload. It would have to be community driven to even get off the ground... but that brings us back to... the people interested in these kinds of questions can find them. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AndrewL64
And that question definitely cleared up a lot of doubts that I'm having with regards to this but I'm still confused about certain things (like for example, the hypothetical JavaScript situation in your question where the OP accepts a different language[not just a different version] so the new tags are now relevant). Or with regards to the above question, I'm sure users using v4 which is the standard right now for a lot of users will definitely find the v4 solution useful since the tile of the question is generic. — AndrewL64 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The "system" cant determine the difference between a 0 vote complex question and a 0 vote "write my sql query for me" question. The people who can see that it's a "complex" question are the same people who can answer it. — Kevin B 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AndrewL64
I honestly think posting a new question+solution just for v4 and v5 alpha simply stating that you can use a class name instead of adding CSS is a tad bit overkill tbh. — AndrewL64 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@KevinB I see. Please take my proposal primarily as »let's have a new value for questions which states how expert-level this question is«. The question on how to determine this value is a different one (but I think answerable). I could imagine community-driven mechanisms (while ruling out abuse), but also admin-driven ways like flag-reactions, or even automatic aspects (like length, tl;dr at the beginning, structuring, a lack of points to discuss, just brainstorming again). — Alfe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, that's kinda the process of presenting and fleshing out new ideas. The problem is a lot of the pieces of this idea... have been discussed at length over the years, and there's easy answers to many of them that make it a non-starter. If we can't even discuss those problems... where are we going with this? — Kevin B 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alfe
@KevinB »The people who can see that it's a "complex" question are the same people who can answer it.« Naah. I've seen a lot of such questions which I clearly identified as being well-researched and complex and where I understood that diving into that topic would be time-consuming as hell. And of course I could not answer them. — Alfe 1 min ago
 
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