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12:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@TemaniAfif - looks like someone restored the answer now. — MasterJoe 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@MasterJoe I am not familiar with the technology, but when I write an answer, I give an explanation of what the user has to change in his code. Then I put the final code. I can't know for sure, but maybe you didn't give the explanation? Anyways, it's undeleted now. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
hm .. stackoverflow.com/a/62973865/8620333 (don't spam the site with the same answer please) — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@10Rep don't do such edit please ... — Temani Afif 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Oh, I just fixed the link in the question. Now it all makes sense :p — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Maybe it's because you're posting identical answers on multiple posts: stackoverflow.com/a/62973865, if they deserve identical answers why not note to close as a duplicate? (edit: damn, that's a lot of comments that appeared while writing this on my phone...) — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@TemaniAfif - Thanks. I won't post the same answer twice anymore. I forgot that I had posted it twice earlier. A simple explanation for the deletion would have avoided this confusion. I would have not written this post and all of our time would have been saved. — MasterJoe 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
Now, plenty of haters will come to this question, not look at comments and simply down vote this question also. Obviously, I deserve -100 down vote for this unforgivable mistake. — MasterJoe 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
A simple explanation for the deletion would have avoided this confusion. --> a simple verification from your side would also have cleared the confusion. — Temani Afif 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@TemaniAfif - I did not know. I did not do it on purpose. I don't know why people blame users instead of fixing what seems to be a broken feature (i.e no explanations required). Would you have had the same answer if I had not posted duplicates and the answer was deleted accidentally ? — MasterJoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
the answer was deleted accidentally ? --> we don't elect Mod to delete answer accidentally. A mod will delete an answer because there is something wrong. In some cases it can be a complex reason and the Mod need to explain but in your case, it was trivial. — Temani Afif 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
Seriously, don't discuss things, don't fix issues. Just blame everything on users and downvote things to one's heart's content. Why even have "new contributor" tag on new users ? Why not just blame them for not being as smart and experienced as other users ? Its always the users fault. If someone makes a mistake, then its surely because they have bad intentions. There can be no other explanation, right ? — MasterJoe 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
That question should be downvoted & closed. Re "because some users did not like that I listed the types of responses I was not looking for": Except for users who told you that, you have no reason to think that. Re "already a mechanism for dealing with bad questions--ignore them": That is not consistent with how the site works. — philipxy 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@Nick - Read my statements again ! I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am saying what if I do all that. My point is that its helpful to have a explanation for a deleted answer. — MasterJoe 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"plenty of haters will come to this question......unforgivable mistake" oh, no no no, I didn't downvote you for making a mistake, I downvoted for this: "What if I become a mod some day and simply delete answers by people whose profile or views I don't like", seems like a pretty blatant and baseless accusation simply because you didn't understand why something happened, this question could've been better written just asking for clarification rather than making it on the assumption of not being "liked" — Nick 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
You're not going to like this comment, but you seem to show a sense of entitlement in your meta post and your comments and this is likely why this meta post is being down-voted. — DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@Nick - Ok. I removed the offending part. So, logically would you remove the down vote because the offending part is gone ? Parking tickets get resolved once you pay the fine. They don't follow you for the rest of your life like down votes. — MasterJoe 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@MasterJoe Note that down/up-votes on meta don't affect your reputation. And this post is probably getting downvoted because users did read the comments. Also, note that votes work a little differently on meta. They mostly indicate that users agree/disagree with the merit of the post. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
In addition to what @Daedalus said, you can always delete the post if you don't like having a post with many downvotes. — 41686d6564 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@MasterJoe I did read it, multiple times, and I see you've now edited it, but consider what you were implying by saying "what if I deleted answers because I didn't like people's profiles", it certainly indicates that that's what you think happened here. Even if that's not what you think happened, it's better to think about how other people will read your post, we can't read your mind — Nick 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@MasterJoe Downvotes don't follow you for the rest of your life either. For starters, this is meta, where downvotes don't cost rep. Secondly, magic internet points don't determine how your life plays out. — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter - Not sure why you said that. I the haters can go ahead and down vote me till my reputation becomes zero or even negative. After all, my mistake is unforgivable and I should be punished accordingly. Keep adding down votes just like you'd give someone a 100 year life prion sentence for first time shop lifting. I hope all the down voters have a good day. Bye ! — MasterJoe 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@Daedalus - I saw it now. Have a nice day. — MasterJoe 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@MasterJoe It feels like you've been ignoring the several times you've been told that meta downvotes don't cost rep. — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Well, pls do fix it. I had to remove it with a user script. — 10 Rep just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@Daedalus - Side note. I voted to close this (my own) question. Seems like a trivial bug with no impact. But, could it be a useful feature in some situations ? — MasterJoe 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@MasterJoe - please do not consider downvotes on meta a personal attack or "haters will come to this question". I initially upvoted your question, but changed my mind when I saw clarifications about reposting the same answer with no modification. This is just an indication of how many people agree / disagree with you (unlike the main SO). What makes things worse is that Jean-François is a mod, and one of the top contributors on the site (imagine accusing an esteemed community member of trespassing on your lawn) who you accused of the wrongdoing. — Oleg Valter 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@MasterJoe also, for future reference, take a look at this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/104227/…Oleg Valter 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
For the reasons that PeeHaa has mentioned, I think the only sites listed for a given volunteer (who wants to close vote - migrate) should be the sites where the given volunteer has at least n rep points. This is one feature where the "trust metric" would actually be suitably coupled. Whether the minimum trust threshold is 3K, 5K, or 10K, I don't care, but I think some privilege barrier would seem helpful in preventing garbage transfers. — mickmackusa 1 min ago
 
 
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2:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"moderator or diamond holder." somewhat implies that these two categories are exclusive, I'd be tempted to drop diamond holder, as for all intents and purposes, that is the meaning here. It would be rare for a CM to take part in moderation of the main site — Nick 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Does this answer your question (in addition to mentioned above, as a close vote)? How to restore an answer deleted as duplicate by a ♦ moderator?Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@Nick I throw that out because not all SE employees hold a diamond. The CM team does, and you're right that they don't do a lot of direct mod work — Machavity ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
And, to top it off, another related Q&A: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/291667/…Oleg Valter 41 secs ago
 
2:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@OlegValter - thanks. — MasterJoe 1 min ago
 
3:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Triple backticks, enter, paste, enter, triple backticks? That's what I always do — CertainPerformance 36 secs ago
 
4:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
Alternatively, you could paste/type all the code, then select it all and hit Ctrl-K to indent it (or unindent it if it is already indented). But the backticks are easier. — 1201ProgramAlarm 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
5:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
If you can update the firebase ones, I can merge the tags. — Bhargav Rao ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@BhargavRao - thank you for looking into this - sure, I can do that. Just a small question before I do it: can the firebase-admin be renamed to firebase-admin-sdk first (or after the change) while we are at it (it is its official name) or should I start a new meta Q&A to give it some time for dicussion? — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
It doesn't look like it needs to be changed. [firebase-admin] seems to be quite descriptive. Anyway, do feel free to open a new meta. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@BhargavRao - all done (at least those I know of). re:naming - thank you, I still think it should be renamed, but that is a question for another time as it is far from being an issue, I have to gather data on whether it makes sense or not. — Oleg Valter 58 secs ago
 
5:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
This is other platforms. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Yay - thank you! Let's hope there will be no more people who will slap Admin SDK to Firebase in the process (I will keep an eye on them until the merge happens as well). — Oleg Valter 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Retagged from [discussion] to [support] as We have clear consensus. — TheMaster 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Offering a bounty on a question will only prevent it from being closed for a small amount of time. Borderline abuse to offer a bounty on a question to prevent the question from being closed (IMO). — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
This isn’t other platforms. The message is perfectly clear in my opinion and tell you exactly when the flag option should be used. — Security Hound 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
Should you blame Cache? Like server side cache. — Drag and Drop 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
That’s 79 posts edited, but 89 (not 87) edit suggestions or revisions. Posts are not revisions. — user4642212 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vivek Jain
No I am not comparing with revision count, I am comparing with suggestion count. Suggestion Count is showing 97 Suggestions where 88 edit suggestions approved, 16 edit suggestions rejected and 1 is in pending and in profile it's showing 79 posts edited. — Vivek Jain just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Maybe you made multiple suggestions to the same post at some point? How edit count works is in the linked post — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
@VivekJain Approved suggestions are revisions, and their counts are exactly the same for you, because they are exactly the same for you. However, posts edited is neither of them. — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vivek Jain
@user4642212 when you look into my profile there approved suggestions are 89 and revisions are 116. — Vivek Jain 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
@VivekJain Ah, yes, right, of course you can edit your own posts without approval, but still, those three things are all different metrics, in general. Do we need another post just asking for the distinction between the number of “approved edits” and the number of “posts edited” even though that other Q&A could simply be copy-pasted verbatim with “revision” replaced by “suggested edit”? It’s the same issue. — user4642212 1 min ago
 
7:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Arenburg
This is kind of contradicts what the OP said to me and they even shared the answer on GH, but I'll take your word for it. — David Arenburg 38 secs ago
 
7:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Or use a Snippet — Paulie_D 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@gnat - I am familiar with that question. I commented several times. I also see bounties being used to prevent questions from being closed often enough to consider it to be abuse. Thankfully, my main community, has really good moderators who handle issues quickly. — Security Hound 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Not really sure why we're being cagey about it. It was deleted because of voting irregularities, @David, so that's why the OP is not being forthcoming with an explanation. — Cody Gray ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
We prefer not to air dirty laundry on meta, @CodyGray, which is why most of us avoid mentioning such things in public. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pensebien
The backticks are not very easy to do on every line. Selecting the block of code and using CTRL+K is okay. But why can't we use tab? — pensebien 9 secs ago
 
8:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Well, it's not even an entirely rookie mistake. Every experienced developer has attempted to dereference an invalid pointer many, many times, ('oh shit, I forgot to create the Werble instance, mutter...mutter'). It happens so frequently that I often know immediately what I have done as soon as the AV box appears:( It is unrealistic to do any more than point at the canonical answer. — Martin James 39 secs ago
 
8:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
If users cannot step-debug to find out, even roughly, where the bad pointer/reference is coming from, they cannot program computers. — Martin James 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
@ggorlen So according to you we shouldn't edit "1 + 1 = 4" because that was indeed the intent of the author? That seems absurd to me. What's so important about conserving intent? The primary goal should be usefulness and accuracy. The "intent" of the author should come second. Who cares about intent if it doesn't provide accurate or useful information?! Again, SO isn't a place for self expression; it isn't a place where wannabe artists come to share their view of the world, which should be preserved as is to conserve the author's intent. — Anakhand 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
I mean, I would be happy with the head of a trace, some code and some sign of understanding, say 'I found my Groggit instance bad. It was returned from the GroggitLookup() with what seems to be good arguments. What might I do to debug this further?' — Martin James 43 secs ago
 
8:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
For starters, you could wait 24 hours and see if they get reversed. The reversal script knows if it's the same user downvoting, you can only guess, and afaik 4 votes is often enough to trigger it but the exact algorithm is unknown. — Erik A 32 secs ago
 
8:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
serial downvoters are more clever, I start getting only 3 downvotes in a row which doesn't trigger the serial downvote (at least based on my experience) — Temani Afif 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@TemaniAfif: If they were clever they wouldn't waste their life on serial downvoting :-( — einpoklum 1 min ago
 
9:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
yes, they think they are clever ;). As you said, they are simply wasting their time so let them do. It will hurt only them. — Temani Afif 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Vote twice for what? — TheMaster 15 secs ago
 
9:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Dear serial downvoters, please down vote at least 8 posts to achieve an optimal experience for all involved ...rene 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
This sounds like serial down voting... you probably tripped someone while moderating... I had cases where user cast only single down vote for me, but then he went over other users that close voted his question and down voted them too, so it was easy to spot who was responsible. — Dalija Prasnikar 6 secs ago
 
9:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
To add to the comment by PaulieD, the page says the Question has to be about programming. Your Question isn't about programming. — Scratte 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Your original question is being migrated here. Once that happens this question will be closed as its duplicate. — Robert Longson 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by asic
I didn't realize it's already migrated. sorry. — asic 58 secs ago
 
10:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
While I agree that there can be some edits that invalidate an answer (we do have an example here), I don't think that the "Don't touch it! You might break it!" paranoia is the correct response. By encouraging to add a new answer whenever one wants to make an addition/modification, no matter how small that is, instead of having 3 good, well-edited answers that present a different approach each, you end up having maybe 10 unpolished answers that still present the same 3 approaches overall. Within each of those 3 approaches, each answer essentially "forks" another in a messy way... — Anakhand 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
...which leads to conflicting information, and information being spread all over the place—especially when you consider that answers that deal with one approach will be interleaved with answers that deal with another approach, and that new "answers" (i.e. new edits, essentially) will start at the very bottom. This in turn leads to confusion and an overall poorer experience of a user reading that Q&A. Is this tradeoff in quality really worth the "let's avoid accidentally approving wrong edits by banning substantial edits completely!"? I don't think so. — Anakhand 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by asic
@gnat Hi, this is a meta question about the other question I asked, and you had already closed my other question. It may seem personal that you would close two of my questions in such a short time. And the reason you give for closing this question is there is a duplicate with "Why can't I ask customer service-related questions?"? Maybe any meta question asked about stackoverflow can be accused to be "customer service-related questions". I think it's fair to ask if it's fair a user can repeatedly close multiple questions of another user in a short time? Is there no prejudice at play here? — asic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
High rep users can and do delete answers with < 0 score. That's often what happens to answers that aren't useful because there are more useful answers against the question. The power of crowds voting allows them to do that. So yes there's a process, it's just different from the one you keep espousing. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yousaf
Its up to the person who posted the question to approve or reject the edit unless the person who made the edit has certain level of reputation. — Yousaf 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MauriceNino
It has been rightfully rejected, but for the wrong reasons in my opinion. This should have been rejected as "attempt to reply". Generally people who accept/reject your changes don't check if the changed code works better/worse, but they reject it because it should really be a comment to the answer. Something like "Hey I think you should remove the brackets on the a() at the end. Fails to compile for me". — MauriceNino 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It doesn't look like you "fixed" it but make it do something different as you also had to change the outcome: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26859236 that is a major deviation from the original intent. If calling s() returns an error that is unfortunate but if it before that produces the outcome as described I would have left a comment and not make en edit, even if I can edit at will. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
So that includes spam and rude/abusive flags? — Scratte 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
It is rarely the case that answers that provide essentially the same approach as another but with a minor modification reach a negative score. (In fact, according to the reasoning here, there's no reason they should.) So that mechanism isn't enough to deal with this—if it is even relevant at all. If it was indeed suficcient, we wouldn't have many questions with a barrage of highly similar answers—but we have plenty of those. Example: this question has 34 answers, all of which boil down to the same 3 or 4 approaches and have positive score. — Anakhand 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is being targeted
Please read the duplicate question carefully. It is not being claimed that this Meta question is related to customer support, but that the linked question is. Remember also that we're all volunteers, not actual customers (unless we actually pay for other services provided by Stack Overflow). — E_net4 is being targeted 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
With @gnat we already have our beloved cyber agent. Not sure if he is sponsored ... — rene 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KHAN
Well, it's not that callng s() returns an error only, but it also highlights how function assignments work! For newcomers in JS, it is not fair to be exposed to even a letter of wrong coding. JS is confusing enough already! — KHAN 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@TheMaster - I don't know, that's the problem - these are the OP's questions, I suspect the flow is something like this: A suggests to synonymize 1 to 2, B suggests to synonymize 2 to 1 (if that is even possible) -> the question is whether the OP will be able to upovte/downvote both of them — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
B cannot suggest as long as there is a pending synonym request on A — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KHAN
Moreover, the question itself was about the difference between returning b vs b(). — KHAN 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by asic
@E_net4isbeingtargeted The "duplicate question" was given as the reason to close "this question". How can reason for "the other question" be reason to close this question? — asic 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@TheMaster - thank you, then we have all 4 questions answered :) I can make it a CW if you'd like and you / me can fill in the last blank — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaster
No. You can fill it up:) — TheMaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is being targeted
Because the linked question answers your own, @asic. — E_net4 is being targeted 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
@einpoklum Well, they're clearly wasting your time too... Otherwise you wouldn't be spending time wondering if something can be considered serial downvoting ;) — Anakhand 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
This includes rude/abusive flags. If the post is deleted, the flag is marked as inactive due to the post being deleted (this is unchanged from previous behavior). The only change is that if the post is subsequently undeleted, flags marked inactive in this way will be reactivated. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@TheMaster - ok then, thank you, I will add as soon as I can (I want to add a couple of error screenshots as well) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
11:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Wouldn't it suitable to create a feature-request so SE-Staff will look and maybe update the parameters for their voting reversal script? They don't need to publish the old or the new parameters, but they could look if the "ordinary" serial voter has adapted to the reversal tool and if they should adapt as well. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I'm confused. My flags have always been marked as "helpful" is the post is deleted. never "inactive". — Scratte 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by honk
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
Interesting. The status we see on actual posts is 'EventInvalidated'. I hope these flags are still being marked helpful and not invalidated? — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@Tom: This is not for me to say, I'm biased in favor of myself here. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PeterJ
@Rob I just checked my profile and they're not listed under helpful, but they don't come up under declined or disputed either so they seem to go into limbo. — PeterJ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
@PeterJ I suspect this is because the post was deleted (which used to mark flags helpful), rather than the flags being manually marked helpful. I've pinged a CM to look into this — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
That is just me using the term "inactive" to refer to a flag status other than "pending". On post delete, they used to be marked as Helpful. Now they will be marked as EventInvalidated(which is the more correct state, one that delineates that the flag was removed because the parent post was deleted, not because the flag was specifically marked as helpful). — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Oh. How does that effect the calculation of helpful flags on our profiles? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Khan - So the question should be closed since it was caused by a typo. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
12:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
btw: I've been told that "Not an answer" flags are now not being "helpful" anymore in the flag page. — Scratte 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
It looks like this change is affecting more flag types than it should. We'll be fixing shortly. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Why are post flags behavior changed instead of comment flags as the question points out? What happens now with comment flags? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
It seems that "Not an Answer" flags can never be "helpful" under this new logic. If the post is deleted, the flag goes into limbo. If you want an outcome, it can only be: declined. — Scratte 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
How many of those answers have you voted on? — Robert Longson 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Definitely related. Apparently this wasn't the plan. Being fixed now — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blastfurnace
Write the triple-backticks once before the block of code and once after the block. — Blastfurnace 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
Just want to check... if a mod deletes a post with active spam/ra flags on it, will it still automatically mark as helpful (eg: old behaviour), or does the mod have to modify their workflow to make sure to accept the flags before deleting? Following on from that, if a mod casts the only but binding spam flag thus making the community user delete/lock it, does that also count as helpful because since that's all immediately actioned, there isn't a pending flag for a mod to have approved first, so if that happens, no spam/ra flag to hide content and audit criteria etc... — Jon Clements ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheLethalCoder
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheLethalCoder
@JonClements It sounds like, to me, this change should really only affect comment flags and mod intervention post flags. All other post flags should be unaffected. But I may be wrong. — TheLethalCoder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Not what it looks like. Somebody that cares a lot about the [cuda] tag staying tidy is feeding dead questions to the roomba. Not just yours, another example. About the only practical way to moderate small tags. — Hans Passant 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
If someone claims you're rude, then you are rude. No point in denying that. If you meant to be rude then you can ignore the comment and dabble on, if you didn't mean to be rude then you can try to resolve the tension by explaining what your goal was. If you are a subject matter expert and the comments don't resolve the problems in the question then closing as unclear is fine. It takes three to have any effect so if you are the only confused expert your vote will age away. — rene 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@HansPassant: But two of the downvotes are on answers. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
I saw one, the question was DVed as well, surely for that reason. It was not a great answer. — Hans Passant 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by asic
Now I see why the present state of StackOverflow with the overflowed agents.. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/… meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/389991/…asic 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Need to add a ! before the markdown to indicate it should render as an image. ![alt text][1]Machavity ♦ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
When I click on the image toolbar button and paste an image, I get the proper markdown inserted into the question: i.stack.imgur.com/bMekj.pngHeretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by balandongiv
I get the proper markdown [![enter image description here][1]][1] as well, but still the image is not showing up. FYI, this happen at SO — balandongiv 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by balandongiv
Ops, Maybe someone vote to close it. — balandongiv 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@balandongiv the question isn't closed? — TylerH 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by balandongiv
The issue is not resolved yet, why it has been closed? Please see the latest link: imgur.com/gallery/jlhZxQObalandongiv 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"any post that is deleted with active mod-attention flags ... will have the flags deactivated on post delete" presumably this excludes custom mod flags? — Nick 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Machavity I know, I wanted to make sure that they both survived and remained active, because it wasn't clear to me if this was intended as a change — Nick 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@Nick Mod flags survive deletion already. The surprise here is the NAA/LQP (and maybe red flags). The interfacing for mods presents deletion as a path to resolve flags. That's gonna be a pain if it changes and we have to manually mark them helpful first. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juice
Adding your SO account to your Dev Story is optional and I'd say only a third of users do so. Even if this was the case, the effect would be statistically insignificant. — Juice ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Are you accessing SO from a school / work network? Is it possible that there's a firewall blocking the imgur domain? — Cerbrus 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
I just got a case where spam flags on the posts of the very same user got partially marked as "removed during a deletion" and "helpful": Screenshotjanw just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Alternatively, you can just click "edit post -> edit snippet" and then tweak around as you like, but then don't click save. Or copy the HTML and CSS to a proper sandbox like JSFiddle or CodePen. — TylerH 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by balandongiv
Hi @Cerbrus, this is my own personal network — balandongiv 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by balandongiv
Hi @Machavity and heretic, I tried both approach, but still the problem persist as shown in this link imgur.com/gallery/skjQAeBbalandongiv 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
You can just delete the answer draft. — TylerH 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Finally, if "save & insert into post" is changed to "save and add to [a new] answer", then you've effectively eliminated the possibility for someone to add a code snippet to a question, or to update their own code snippet within an existing answer. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
There is a lot of HTML/JS/CSS sandbox out there. On line, in EDI, offline with a browser , a text file , and a jquery. With node some of the well know online tool offer offline mode. — Drag and Drop 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pedro Lima
@TylerH I disagree with your last comment because the changing of wording would be just for this case and you can't add an existing snippet to a question already. Besides that, my proposal is for optimization of a process that I recognized that can already be done. I propose a change of the UI of StackOverflow for better usability without any penalties to the site on its own. We are talking of a tool that runs client-side only. Why not make it more accessible? — Pedro Lima 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pedro Lima
I added the "(or another wording)" after the name of the button because I immediately saw the same problem you described, but I couldn't find another wording for that. I just guessed someone more qualified could. In my opinion, this would be a great improvement to the site and would be too sad to give up on it because the wording of a button. — Pedro Lima 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
"... there is nothing that said "We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow." - There is also nothing that says that we don't allow questions about cat grooming. However, that doesn't mean that questions about cat grooming are on-topic here. Either way, you have (now) disputed the closure, and the verdict is that the closure and closure reason were correct. — Stephen C 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@PedroLima For starters, you're wrong; you can have multiple snippets in a question. More importantly, I think you are missing the point. Say I am writing a question, and I want to add a code snippet to it. I click the code snippet button, add my code, and then go to save it/insert it into the post... only now I don't see that button! I only see "Run" and "Save and Insert into Answer" (your suggestion). Oops! Guess only answers can contain snippets now. — TylerH 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
"... there is nothing that said "We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow." - There is also nothing that says that we don't allow questions about cat grooming. However, that doesn't mean that questions about cat grooming are on-topic here. Either way, you have (now) disputed the closure, and the verdict is that the closure and closure reason were correct. If you want an answer to your question, ask it on SuperUser. — Stephen C 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Your first image shows incorrect image markdown, that's why I mentioned it. If the toolbar button is not generating the correct markdown, that is a different problem than the image not showing with the correct markdown. It appears as though this is the latter problem, which could be made clearer in the question. — Heretic Monkey just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@TylerH I believe the OP is thinking that "Save and Insert into Answer" button would show for people other than the poster of the question. Of course, if I am editing a question to add a snippet from existing non-snippet code, I'm out of luck, but that's a different scenario ;-). — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pedro Lima
@HereticMonkey, thank you. That's exactly what I meant. — Pedro Lima 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pedro Lima
@TylerH If your issue is with the wording of the buttons, that can be thought in the future. What I am proposing is to make the tool more accessible. You are saying that can't be done because it would be confusing, but it can be not confusing with the right words. I think it would be a good addition to the site. Do you agree with that or do you think it would be useless? If you think it would be useless, I'm ok with that, but if your issue is it would be confusing, I say it can be done in a way that would not be confusing. — Pedro Lima 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I think such a feature would be unnecessary. There are already several easy ways to fiddle with stack snippet code both on and off the site. — TylerH 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
But that's a question not an answer.. You cannot edit the code from a question to fix thing. — Drag and Drop 5 secs ago
 
2:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
This fix has been temporarily reverted - we need to better define the flag types to which this applies. Will update here when we have further changes — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
we can't use tabs because it wasn't implemented meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290026/… and 6 to 8 years later that is still the case. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@CertainPerformance There's a lot that needs to be changed/updated in the accepted answer there. Especially, the "Syntax Highlighting" section. — 41686d6564 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by asic
I wonder if .cn is the customer ir — asic 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@asic It looks like you hit Enter too quickly while typing your most recent comment. Could you clarify? — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by asic
I wonder if .cn is the customer or the employer now... Anyway quite honored to get 8 down votes (perhaps still counting) from agents already... For this? Wow. The post already had a good answer and was doing fine still some kind of big issue was really seriously red flaged. My guess it's really about the .cn, to get this kind of massive repercussions... — asic 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@MisterMiyagi - If we are truly talking about low quality answers. Raise the issue to the moderators. The community moderators have it in their power, to issue a suspension, for low quality contributions. — Security Hound 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@balandongiv Are you sure the image exists in imgur? — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@41686d6564 It's a community wiki, there's an edit link... — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Dharman - Let's be honest the answers we are talking about don't meet those qualifications of actually adding something, even if they did, the author of the answer should be answering the existing question. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by β.εηοιτ.βε
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
@Anakhand Yes, editing "1 + 1 = 4" no matter how obvious is against the editing guidelines. If it's incorrect or you disagree with their answer, downvote it, write an alternate answer or leave a comment. Don't change meaning. It's not a matter of self-expression, it's (counterintuitively) a matter of correctness. The problem is, it's almost never as cut and dry as my example scenario. Jon Skeet said it best. — ggorlen 52 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
@Anakhand By the way, the post you edited to correct and are asking about in this meta thread proves my point. Very likely, the editor who made this edit thought they were 100% correct in their statement. I strongly doubt the misinformation was malicious sabotage. The edit was approved by multiple well-meaning users. This scenario shows why we reject these sort of edits in the first place. This situation isn't an edge case, either--if we open edits up to changing meaning, information correctness and consistency would degrade, not improve. — ggorlen 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
@asic That's a bit far-fetched, don't you think? The reason why you got "this kind of massive repercussions" is because your question ended up here on Meta. It is seen by those who care most about this site and its quality. Those downvotes are most likely by people who simply disagree with you that the question should be on-topic. Don't take them personal and don't worry about them. Votes on Meta don't affect reputation anyway. — Ivar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@SecurityHound Answers which are formally fine but technically dubious are usually not the responsibility or even capabilities of moderators. Plus, since this is about the massive volume of repeated, low-quality answers, I doubt the moderators have the sheer capabilities to handle as much. This very thread exists because it's already (almost?) too much for the volunteers using regular user moderation tools. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@JeanneDark But if you clicked the rollback button, what does it do? — 10 Rep 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Back in 2014 at least: "No, a rollback does not remove a post from the reopen review queue if it was entered through an edit." — Jeanne Dark 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
Has that user ever received a comment about his attitude? Maybe he's just not aware of it being bad. — akuzminykh 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by terdon
SO charges a prohibitive amount of money for posting a job ad (enough so that we no longer use SO jobs to find candidates, it was way too expensive and didn't bring particularly good candidates, so we found that using a traditional recruiter was both more effective and cheaper), so I don't think they also charge extra if someone is hired through them. — terdon 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
@ggorlen The editing guidelines do back what you're saying, but I'm not sure they should. By the same reasoning, the author themselves shouldn't be allowed to edit their own post: their edit could be wrong too. What differentiates the author from other users? (I realize this is taking it to the extreme.) Moreover, avoiding any edits that affect content at all leads to single conceptual answer being fragmented into multiple actual answers; see my comment under Robert's answer. Can't there be a middle ground? — Anakhand 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dgknca
why downvote?.. — dgknca 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
@RobertLongson Precisely. Three or four at most. Users will never go through each and every one of the answers and cast a vote (and if they do, it will most likely be an upvote). This another reason why the mechanism you mentioned (deleting answers with < 0 score) doesn't mitigate this problem at all. (But I do agree with your other points.) — Anakhand 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dgknca
am I the only one with this problem? — dgknca 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
@ggorlen Also, this doesn't address the question of adding complementary content. — Anakhand 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Added to what? Please edit your question to explain more clearly what problem you are having — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dgknca
@CodyGray I earned about 10 css score yesterday but not added. — dgknca 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dgknca
@CodyGray the tag scores updates one times in a day in specific time. but today not updated the tag score. — dgknca 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is the same language used in user profiles. I thought we decided many years that the Streisand Effect argues strongly in favor of disclosing a small amount of information, over trying to keep everything hidden, resulting in unproductive speculation (like all the times I've seen this exact same answer discussed: in chat, on Meta, and elsewhere). — Cody Gray ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@Cody Gray: I thought the question was pretty clear and that they meant "updated" where they said "added" (since, generally, tag scores trend upward rather than downward). — BoltClock ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
@Anakhand I wouldn't worry about fragmentation. The way the site is set up, there is a strong motivation for someone to come along and write a good, accurate, comprehensive answer, and these answers do rise to the top using votes, is the most useful form of community expression along with answers. In spite of what SO did recently by diluting votes using "thanks" emojis, voting and answering works. Shifting the discourse about correctness to editing instead of voting, answering and comments (as needed for clarification) harms quality control, creates edit wars and hides information. — ggorlen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
@Anakhand Authors can edit their own post to fix accuracy, clarify or change their meaning. That's the point--you leave a comment and/or DV, they fix the post (or not). Why is this better than editing it yourself by force and without consent? Healthy discourse helps correctness and improves quality. Having said that, the content is a community resource to an extent and if the OP sabotages valuable content they've created, intentionally or unintentionally, I do believe there are grounds for reversal of such edits. — ggorlen 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
@ggorlen Fair point. — Anakhand 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Anakhand
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
tag scores are notoriously haunted when it comes to updates. Can take up to 48 hours, assuming everything runs as planned. — rene 1 min ago
 
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