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12:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
@10Rep let me know if "This doesnt answer OPs question" is snarky enough — Akshay Sehgal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
If it's just a one-off downvote, not really anything you can do about that except try to avoid it in the first place by not commenting. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
That is reasonable enough an assumption right? — Akshay Sehgal 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
I know its them because they copy pasted my comment on their post with EXACT text (missing an apostrophy) and then deleted their post and pasted it as a comment on my answer with a downvote — Akshay Sehgal 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@AkshaySehgal See my answer. I didn't say your comments are snarky, and I'm sorry if I offended you. Many times, people leave rude comments when they downvote, which is the reason it's discouraged. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@AkshaySehgal Send me the link, I don't fully understand. If I'm right, they put your comment in their post, and then deleted your post. If they did that, then your answer also gets deleted, doesn't it? — 10 Rep 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
The issue is not of serial downvotes, please check this recent situation on this post. Notice the time stamps. stackoverflow.com/questions/63226623/…Akshay Sehgal 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
One down-vote is not "retaliation down-votes". You don't know retaliation until you've had MANY down-votes — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Mods can only detect some types of serial downvotes. If it's more serious, only community managers can handle it, and that pathway is swamped at present. If you still want to go that route, I would just use the Contact Us link at the bottom, but you'll need more than just one or two downvotes for them to take your complaint seriously. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
Sure, stackoverflow.com/questions/63226623/…. Seems they have just reverted their delete, so you can now see the timestamps as well — Akshay Sehgal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
Please check the answer below and the comments under it. it seems you havent understood the issue. — Akshay Sehgal 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
You're right, the issue isn't serial downvotes. The issue is a non-issue. And I never said you were either, just that you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Move on. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
I gotta get going. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
@HovercraftFullOfEels there is a difference between serial downvotes and retaliation downvotes .. i never said i am facing serial downvotes — Akshay Sehgal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@AkshaySehgal I agree with you, so here's my advice: Contact StackOverflow and tell them to look into the matter. — 10 Rep 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
@HovercraftFullOfEels thanks for you 'move on' advice, i just came here the right course of action, and i have recieved my answer from the more helpful of the users. — Akshay Sehgal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Users are encouraged to downvote answers that they do not think are clear or useful. If they don't think it's an answer to the question, then they should downvote it. There's nothing to complain about here. Don't leave any more comments talking about downvotes on the main site; I deleted the ones that were there. — Cody Gray ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Akshay Sehgal
Thanks @CodyGray Ill be more careful about leaving comments next time. — Akshay Sehgal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
To reiterate what I said above, CMs are indeed the only ones who could rectify this but it's unlikely they will reverse one downvoteMachavity ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andreas
"Flag this post for issues" would get the message across just fine. — Andreas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
@Braiam Replace "intent" with "meaning" and you get the same result here. You're technically correct because you don't know anything about anyone's intent, only what they actually wrote, but in my mind it winds up being indistinguishable as far as editing goes if you assume that OP's intent translated directly to what they put "on paper". — ggorlen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Yes, you never know what intent was any time in life, you only have actions, and that's what you act on. If it later comes out that the OP's intent didn't match what they wrote, then they have the prerogative to correct that and state their actual intent. If OP made a glaring error in a post like "you can add 1 to 1 and get 4", then you have to assume that this was their intent, even if it's plain wrong or a "clear" typo. — ggorlen 1 min ago
 
1:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
 
1:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rayryeng
I agree with this synonym — rayryeng 1 min ago
 
2:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
A clear response to my question would be fine. Also, please don't rollback improvements. The name of the sites are Stack Overflow (with a space) and GitHub (with a capital H). Also, this is not about the visual design of the site, but about a stack snippet feature enhancement. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Specifically I'm curious if you think this would be integrated to the Stack Snippet featureset, how it would relate/blend with front-end languages which are currently available for any kind of programming. Alternatively, if you think SO should create an entirely new feature sitting side-by-side with Stack Snippets, why should such a limited-use language such as Flutter get such special treatment? Just because it is the flavor of the week? Why not make some broad UI sandbox that can then import Flutter and other UI mockup/wireframe technologies for when Flutter enters Google's graveyard. — TylerH 39 secs ago
 
3:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@OlegValter FWIW I'm just providing my perspective on why this was expedited; I wasn't involved with this tag removal at all. BTW, the fact this is a meta-tag of such an ambiguous name kind of removes any relevant for a "top answerer" or any such score that person might have in a random tag. I won't get in to how... debatable the topicality is of such use of this tag is for something like machine learning. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
3:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@TylerH - I know, I am doing the same here but from another perspective - since you are the only one who replied, I addressed you. I do not have anything against burning the tag, I just find that everything should follow due process - afaik, burnination criteria were created to help alleviate the problem of tag vigilantism. As for "top answerer" - I do not disagree, the point was to give a tag-to-be-burned a fair chance for defense ( just like being guilty of heinous crime does not mean we should skip the trial in court ), though. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
4:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Dmitrii No, I would not. Nothing in that comment invites discussion. It makes a statement of opinion, which is what all comments do. — Cody Gray ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Not really interested in lawyering this out. That's not what mods do. We clean up garbage. If it's extremely low quality or causing harm/distraction in our judgment, we delete it. Simple as that. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
@Bhargav: Thanks! See rayryeng's support. — Cris Luengo 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Thanks, approved. I'll merge after a few days. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Firstly, I disagree with the first NAA flag you posted here. It's not the best answer, but it is an answer. A comment asks for clarification, and that's not a comment. Downvote the answer if you don't like it. — 10 Rep just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Lastly, you shouldn't be reviewing when you are flag banned. If something requires a flag, but you can't flag, then skip! — 10 Rep 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
Secondly, you can learn about the review queues by looking through the guidance for each queue. For instance, here is the guidance for the suggested edits review queue. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
 
6:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vlizana
Thanks for the guidance tip, those are not easy to find if you don't know what you're looking for. I have to disagree on the first point though, how can an answer begin with "and also" without referencing anything? from deleted answers "Answers that do not fundamentally answer the question may be removed. This includes answers that are: commentary on the question or other answers" — vlizana 1 min ago
 
7:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
You are currently not flag banned. Note that a review ban applies to all review queues, not to just one queue at a time. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
If an Answer can be edited to be OK and understandable, then it's an Answer. The "And also ensure.." can be edited into "Ensure.." :) These should get you some more clarity When to flag an answer as “not an answer”? and Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer? on the "Not an Answer" flag. — Scratte 25 secs ago
 
7:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
That...actually is a fairly bad audit. Audits are supposed to be obvious, and an answer describing a solution to a problem (update the software)—albeit describing it _poorly_—probably should not be an audit. It's honestly debatable whether that answer should have even been removed. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
 
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8:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
Here it is. — Ivar 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
@BDL In the reopen queue filtered on the [width] tag. Came up as the first review. — Ivar 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@Ivar: Out of curiosity, how did you find that review? — BDL 1 min ago
 
9:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Mods can see pending reviews, it's there in the timeline. — Samuel Liew ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@SamuelLiew yes ... but if I am a Mod I can reopen all the question with a single vote ;) .. by the way, is there any expiration inside the queue? If no one review the question after a certain time, will it be removed from the queue? — Temani Afif 21 secs ago
 
 
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10:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
I see @CodyGray has closed the question as duplicate. I wonder, how your communication and what the intention of this post was. For me it now seems, Aaron made the post on its own. But I at least my thought was that all of you moderators decided or at least agreed to bring this post out to at least cure a little the problem with sock puppet accounts. Isn't the communication as close as I thought it would be? What is/was happen(ing) here exactly? — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 5 secs ago
 
11:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Umair Khan
@Shiva Having same scenario in my profile both for SO Site and Android App. Was this a bug or just caching issue? — Umair Khan 1 min ago
 
12:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rohan Bari
@user4642212 no, that thread shown in the image has nothing to do with me (neither I answered nor that's my question). — Rohan Bari 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rohan Bari
@user4642212 The OP didn't self-answer. — Rohan Bari 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
It’s not about you, it’s about the OP. Only the OP can self-accept. The blue background on the lower user card means that the OP answered. — user4642212 53 secs ago
 
12:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
"It doesn't mean—and shouldn't be taken to mean—that you did anything wrong in raising the flag" - alright, that's on me then. Thanks. — CodeCaster 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, we all <3 drama. — Cody Gray ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
I see crap questions get one or two upvotes all the time. It doesn't have to be malicious. People who write crap questions because they never read the rules will also upvote crap questions because they see nothing wrong with them. — Ahmed Abdelhameed 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I would bop you on the nose for that comment, though, if you hadn't self-deleted... /bop. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Ahmed no, but I like to think I've got a nose for it. I never base it on upvote count vs content quality alone. — CodeCaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
If you don't like downvotes, don't write your meta post in a ninja-facetious way. If I didn't know any better, a Stack Overflow general of 10+ years of battle hardened experience just played the "this feels like a slap in the face" card for a grand total of one flag rejection. Excuse me while I clean off the tea that I just spit on my screen. — Gimby 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
This whole question is either strange or I miss something. A mod reviewed the flag and found no evidence for wrongdoing and you think it is about you? Your previous flag history doesn't matter when reviewing the current flag. — Tom 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Gimby eh, I don't get many flags rejected, and when I do, I actually did something wrong. So this felt the same, but I believed I didn't. I wanted some clarification, and got that, thanks to Cody. My current writing style perhaps represents my current mood too much, that's something I can work on, thanks. On the other hand, if the tea incident was at least somewhat amusing, I think I got what I wanted. — CodeCaster 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I wasn't offended. If nothing else, this might make for a good canonical. I hate to see good tea go to waste, though. I hope it was something gross like Earl Grey. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@RobertS No, this post was not based on a consensus of the moderators. Not even in the slightest. However, the primary reason I closed the question is because it's been unfeatured and I really don't think it needs any more answers or discussion. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Hall
I've taken my hands off of it for a few days. Rob and ChrisF wanted me to put it in the FAQ. I'm going to think about it some more... — Aaron Hall ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
The flagging statistics you mention is probably only for a small subset of users that are obsessed about it. If I remember correctly it started with finding the moderator userscript, which can be installed by anyone and work for one's own profile. Moderators have access to this information for all users though. Like anything else, it's just a number on a screen :) — Scratte 1 min ago
 
2:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@RyanM I do agree with that, so I'll be adding a disputed-review-audit to the question. — 10 Rep just now
 
2:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Please don't abuse the answerbox for other purposes than answering the question. — rene 59 secs ago
 
2:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
"a tooltip that informs users that flagging should be done when a question needs to be closed would be helpful" - flagging and close-voting are two different things. If a question needs to be closed and a user has enough reputation to cast a close vote then they should do so, no need to flag. — Marco Bonelli 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@MarcoBonelli I am talking about new users who don't have close vote priveleges. After all, they would be the ones misled, right? — 10 Rep 15 secs ago
 
3:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
@10Rep problem is, if on one hand you think that tooltip is misleading for < 3k users, changing it to something like that would make it misleading for 3k+ users. — Marco Bonelli 30 secs ago
 
3:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@MarcoBonelli That is the discussion. What should we change it to? — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FZs
There are 2 comments on this post so far that doesn't include the word 'clear'... It's clear, that everyone likes puns here... — FZs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user573215
Back here in august 2020. Have forgotten where to find the logout again. WHEN WILL THIS FINALY BE RESOLVED SO? — user573215 12 secs ago
 
4:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
(gnat melancholically looking at own 134 declines) if these were slaps in the face I would probably be dead already — gnat 16 secs ago
 
4:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vlizana
@MartijnPieters I was at the time of the review ban, a couple of days ago. I also couldn't get into Triage, which I assumed it was because of the flags. At least this time I have a notice in review queues which I didn't have the last time, it was an issue last time not knowing I was banned but now it's solved. — vlizana 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vlizana
Thanks for the feedback, what I consider inconsistent is flagging an answer, getting the flag declined and failing an audit afterwards because of not flagging a similar answer. — vlizana 1 min ago
 
 
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5:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@10Rep - It shouldn't be changed. The statement has an or contained within it, so a flag should be used, for serious problems or to bring something to a moderator's attention*. It's intentionally vague with regards to what should be brought up to a moderator, since they are paid to figure out if that something, is something they can deal with. Yes; I understand community moderators are unpaidSecurity Hound just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
I can't see deleted answers but have definitely commented on about three of them on this post. I think this answer has been downvoted because it would be better suited as a comment on the question (there are currently many such comments on the question). — Wai Ha Lee 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
No. A generic "read all this stuff" answer is not helpful to people. Particularized answers are the name of the game, even though for 'efficiency', some people want to close anything that looks like a duck. — George Stocker 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Prabesh Gouli
Congratulations Makyen and Machavity , now you can sleep for 4 hours per day :D :D high paid jobs are waiting for you :P :P — Prabesh Gouli 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I'm not sure that your example is a good example, literally the first point of the NPE canonical says: "Object variables which are uninitialized and hence point to nothing". People need to be able to learn for themselves and not get handheld, if they can get all the way through the NPE post (while genuinely reading it and trying to understand it) then there's no reason that they can't edit their post to explain why they still need additional help. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@Nick, I disagree there. While what you say is technically true, if you put yourself in their shoes, reading, understanding, and breaking down the contents of a post like that and understanding how it relates to your own problem can be a daunting task for a newcomer. I don't see getting help from a more directed answer as 'being handheld'; I consider it more of a guided learning experience. — Sach 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
Not for every case, but if the "particularized" answer is "because x is null" and the generalised answer is a detailed explanation of what such an error means and how to debug it, the generalised one seems more helpful. — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@GeorgeStocker, this is my thinking as well. I wish people weren't as happy as they are now to close down questions. As a 'have your cake and eat it too' resolution, wonder if the admins can make it so that it's still possible to answer closed questions for no reward points. — Sach 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
We really need a feature to close questions as duplicate + link to the appropriate answer. As of now, I usually close-vote and leave a comment pointing out which answer op has to read to find there problem. Answering every NPE question individually won't help anyone except op. I would even say it makes it harder for people coming from google to find a helpful answer. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@BDL, how long is a closed question is still accessible? As I suggested before, what if that period is prolonged and during that time allows users to post answers without getting points? This way, a) quality of the archive is maintained, b) OP gets more detailed/directed help, and c) don't encourage people to answer post solely for points. — Sach 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
The same problem applies to a number of different topics though. For example: [What is an undefined reference/unresolved external symbol error and how do I fix it?] — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Sach answer, not question — Nick 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@BDL, We really need a feature to close questions as duplicate + link to the appropriate answer. It's already there? If you give the close reason as duplicate and link the post, it now automatically post a comment saying something along the lines of "Does this help your problem" and link to the post you linked. — Sach 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
Oh, right. Yeah that seems a good idea. — Sach 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@Sach: Are you sure that it links to the answer? And isn't the comment removed when the question get's closed (or not posted at all when you have a gold badge)? I meant something like a permanent link to a specific answer in the duplicate question — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
How helpful would it be for a user to find thousands of questions referencing a NullReferenceException? This would just drown the useful content in a lot of sand. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@gnat rest in peace then. — CodeCaster 38 secs ago
 
6:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@BDL yeah I misread your comment. See mine above. That does seem like a good idea. — Sach 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@gnat Really? With "51,825 helpful flags" I'm pretty sure your ratio is just fine :) — Scratte 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@Tom, this post is intended as a discussion to see if it's possible (and if people want to) find a solution to this. As I acknowledged in my post yeah it doesn't improve the quality of archives but I was wondering if there's a solution. One such as that pointed out by BDL, and another is what I suggested where we prolong the period a closed question remains accessible, and during that period let users answer the questions for no points so the OP get some more directed help. — Sach 1 min ago
 
7:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian
Super sorry Tyler, but just to clarify, you would like assistance understanding the large animated examples in the post? I am sure if you wait long enough, someone will walk you through it. — Christian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I would close any question I see against that duplicate if the issue is in their code. The canonical has plenty of answers to work out what is wrong. If the null reference is triggered inside a library the OP doesn't seem to own, for example the stacktrace shows the bowels of the BCL, then closing as a duplicate is not correct, assuming it is clear from an MCVE that their vars to go into the API are not null. — rene just now
 
7:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@Sach, this would warrant an answer, but in a nutshell, many of us old devs started with "unmanaged" languages, where you did not get some kind of FoolYouShippedWithSomeVexingException, but a cold, hard crash. Thus, a tendency to close these things as you don't know what you're doing, now that there is no excuse for a programmer not to understand them. — Frédéric Hamidi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@FrédéricHamidi, you probably just narrowed down the root cause of this problem as well as the general trend of SO which seems to put off a lot of newbies. I know that the SO management has been trying to address this issue for years without much success. It's a bit unwelcome to people who aren't good at programming, partly due to the reason you mentioned, and I dunno if it should be that way. I personally think it shouldn't, but my experience as well as most answers here seem to suggest otherwise. — Sach 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Sach: I'd be a lot less hostile about being treated as a free tutor for beginners if I were compensated. Feel like opening up your wallet? 🙃 — Makoto just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@Sach New users are expected to adhere to the same standards as everybody else; that includes having at least a modicum of experience with programming. When questions are marked as duplicates, we don't (and won't) guarantee an answer they can just copy and paste. The expectation is that readers will be able to understand a more general answer and implement their own solution. That is key to SO. — fbueckert 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
I understand that we are looking at this problem from a fundamentally different viewpoint. And it's hard to come to common grounds when that's the case. I still hope that SO look at this problem (and I'm happy that they have been trying - albeit mostly unsuccessfully - to address the issue of SO being unfriendly at best and downright hostile at worst towards beginners. — Sach 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
Again, fundamental differences. I'm much more happy to devote my time free of charge while you're not. Neither is wrong. — Sach 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@fbueckert, closing isn't necessarily hostile, but I've seen enough of hostile attitude from users even if it's a most basic mistake the newcomers make. — Sach 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I would disagree. It's not that we're coming at this from differences of opinion, @Sach. I'm coming at this from established precedent over the last twelve or so years of how Stack Overflow has operated, whereas others are believing that the scope should soften to allow for a more interpersonal relationship with beginners so that they can use us as a way to help jump-start their career or understanding of programming. I'm only saying, 'If that's the way we're moving, then I'm going to need $$$ before I agree to this.' — Makoto 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@Sach This isn't hostility. It's curation. The goal has never been to help everyone with their programming problems. It's always been to become a repository of knowledge that will help far more people over time than specific one shot answers. Closing as duplicate is trying to help them. — fbueckert 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@fbueckert: Exactly! — Makoto 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
@Makoto, the SO management(?) has been trying to move it towards that direction though, although not working. Maybe you might need to talk to them about it. :) — Sach 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@Sach, I understand your point of view, but IMHO we're not doing aspiring programmers any favor by refusing to explain things to them -- about machines, memory, and pointers -- just not to rustle their feathers. In the end of the day that is why they have to work with. Managed languages are easier because you get an exception instead of crash, but untrained users keep asking about it. So what? Other languages like Rust abstract that, but you'll still find newcomers asking why unwrap() breaks their program. Again, so what? We cannot teach the basics, we can only help users grow from there. — Frédéric Hamidi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@Makoto In other words, we didn't sign up to be tutors. If SO wants us to be, they can pony up the cost of hiring them. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Sach: Do we call them outside of their display name? Do we insult their intelligence? Do we hurl abuse at them? All of those things should be reported so that the jerks who do that are dealt with. Downvoting/closing as a dupe? That's not hostile. One is simply interpreting it as an act of hostility. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Sach: I would but I don't think they listen so well. Or, they listen but react to parts of our message from an emotional perspective. I've got enough on my plate to disincentivize me from trying to continue to explain to our benevolent dictators how most of their ideas fly in the face of what some of us started to contribute to the network for in the first place. — Makoto 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sach
Well, some-others-of-us started with slightly different ideas, so I've not complaints in that regard. — Sach 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Chan
This is currently under investigation. This one's been difficult for us to pin down the cause, and it's in our backlog to address. — Jon Chan ♦ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brian Preslopsky
I don't agree with any of these responses. I asked a perfectly formatted question and was downvoted (along with a nasty comment stating they were actively trying to get my question removed) merely because I had provided examples of solutions I already knew, but that weren't what I was looking for when I posed the question (because they were workarounds/not solutions or I already knew wouldn't work). I try to avoid the "did you try this, or this" etc. comments, and for whatever reason that cheezed a few people off. — Brian Preslopsky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brian Preslopsky
Upvoted because the community at large is not responsible enough to use the close question voting responsibility. — Brian Preslopsky 1 min ago
 
8:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brian Preslopsky
Maybe, but three such votes is a ridiculously low threshold. — Brian Preslopsky 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
that's... not abuse. it's the opinion of said voters that it met the close reasons they chose. You are free to disagree, so are other people who have the ability to vote to reopen it after. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Could you link the post you're talking about? It's not obvious what you're referring to from looking at your post history, and without the context we really don't have much to go off here. With what you have here, there's only a subject that has been discussed many, many times before: opposition to question closing in general. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@RyanM OP has a question asked 3 hours ago and all other questions asked 2018 or later. How is it hard to find which question he's talking about? — Tom 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brian Preslopsky
@RyanM stackoverflow.com/questions/63251611/… Key thing here is that it wasn't immediately apparent to me that this was a driver issue, although I was sure that tinkering with the SQL query was not the solution I was looking for. — Brian Preslopsky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Tom I had assumed that it was a post that had actually gotten closed, which that one hasn't. In retrospect, I probably could've been reasonably sure if I'd stared at it for longer. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@Tom usually OP would delete post they talking about... so it is better to get confirmation from OP. — Alexei Levenkov 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shiva
@UmairKhan: It was a long time back but I feel it was a bug, or update issue on the site. We never fixed it, and frankly I too never followed it back on it — Shiva 1 min ago
 
9:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brian Preslopsky
OK, I can see this is going nowhere. I still don't agree that "user has nothing constructive to add"="legitimate reason to vote to close a question". For what it's worth, I've taught grad and undergrad level CS, stats, and econ questions, and I can give you plenty of examples of actual dumb questions. Allowing opinionated or heavy-handed mechanisms to close down discussion is not helpful--you know it drives away contributors. Do what you will with that information. — Brian Preslopsky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is being targeted
 
9:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
We...don't do discussion, @Brian. That's literally outside our scope. It can't drive away contributors, either; SO is a victim of it's own success. If anything, we have too many contributors. That's why systems like the question ban, anti-recidivism, and review queues exist; to weed out that which is lacking, and narrow the field to what still fits. — fbueckert 1 min ago
 
9:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
this is no abuse, the same high reo users troll "their" tags and so you see them in vlose voting more times than others that is no abuse, it is part of the SO system. If someone really should abuse you can always flag a moderator and tell him about your suspision. — nbk 24 secs ago
 
10:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brian Preslopsky
@fbueckert, So after posting this, some people went an looked at my old posts (that nobody ever bothered to answer as they were too hard) and down voted them. Yes, it can drive away contributors. It just did. — Brian Preslopsky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Are you formatting your HTML in a code block properly? If you're just pasting it as raw text, the site will try to render it. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@BrianPreslopsky It's called the meta effectModus Tollens 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
Does this answer your question? How do I format my code blocks?nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
I'm pretty sure every vote is tied to an account, so there's no concept of Stack Overflow the site upvoting your answers. This is a tinfoil hat situation <:-) — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Here's a more plausible theory: when you apply to jobs, it increases your visibility, and some of those folks who see your application look at and upvote some of your answers. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
 
11:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@BrianPreslopsky - with a quick look at your rep history, you only got 1 downvote on an old question that: 1. Contained "hope this makes sense" noise -> distracts from the question, 2. Lacked code formatting -> makes post harder to parse. 3. Had double tag duplication in title -> not appealing to open. 4. Had two chunks of text at the top and bottom with no separation -> makes post hard to read. The downvote may have come for any of these reasons or for any other (I am not an expert in R, so can't tell), I went ahead and edited it. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
11:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
I spent a bit of time in writing this answer. I haven't copied anyone's answer or just repeated an existing answer in some form. Its really demoralizing to have answers deleted without any explanation. Makes me think twice before posting an answer or putting extra effort to make an answer better. — MasterJoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
No, moderators don't just delete an answer because they don't like the person. They're trusted to use their own judgment so they aren't required to leave an explanation, but ultimately they're still human and sometimes make mistakes. — John Montgomery 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
A [mre], as minimal, is working code minimally extended to broken code. So these questions do not give MREs, they give dumps of disorganized code. If they didn't know their problem is an uninitialized pointer then after reading the canonical duplicate they do & they can find per their design where working goes broken & edit their post if they still have a question. If they already knew, they should already have done that, and should do it. I would agree typically their design & program are messes but then they should ... ask re code that is working code minimally extended to broken code. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
@SecurityHound What you say does make sense. However, is not having enough detail a serious problem? On other platforms serious problems refer to things like spam or abusive language. SO is not like other platforms, and miseducation of new users is the main reason this site gets VLQ questions everday. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MasterJoe
@JohnMontgomery - I understand that people generally don't down vote or delete content because they don't like someone. But, its helpful to have some kind of explanation so that I know that the deletion was not in error. Delete your account options in Twitter, Google etc. ask you to type something in a text box to make sure that you really want to delete your account to avoid accidental deletes. Why not require an explanation for deleting a question or answer ? — MasterJoe 1 min ago
 

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