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12:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GG.
Just my 2 cents. I'm that kind of guy who posts a "thank you" in the comments once in a while. I just used the new button to thank a guy who saved me from tearing my hair out. He got 5 thank you and 40 upvotes for his answer, which shows people don't use both mechanically and there is room for both. For me, there is a difference between upvoting someone for a good answer (= doing my job as part of the system to improve the site) and saying thanks to someone for helping (= expressing a feeling). StackOverflow might not be a "social network" but we are still humans interacting together. — GG. 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GG.
My 2 cents. I'm that guy who posts a "thank you" in the comments once in a while. I just used the new button to thank a guy who saved me from tearing my hair out. He got 5 thank you and 40 upvotes for his answer, which shows people don't use both mechanically and there is room for both. For me, there is a difference between upvoting someone for a good answer (= doing my job as part of the system to improve the site) and saying thank you to someone for helping (= showing appreciation). StackOverflow might not be a "social network" but we are still humans interacting together. — GG. 31 secs ago
 
1:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You mean the other links grow to compensate? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Tim Did you mean to remove the summary in your first edit? I suspect you were just trying to format the bulleted list and accidentally removed it, but I can't be sure, so I didn't want to just reinstate it myself. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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2:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
Another recent example: an 8-year-old SEO question was suddenly given a bounty asking for updated answers: Non-ASCII characters in URLs, good or bad for SEO?. So allowing users to vote to close bountied questions might be a good idea. Perhaps the dup-hammer should be disabled for bountied questions though. — dbc 1 min ago
 
2:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
Another bad "spam" audit. Most likely, the OP was a spammer and most/all of their posts were deleted as spam (including non-spam posts); I've seen this happen before. Just wait for a mod to confirm. — Ahmed Abdelhameed 1 min ago
 
2:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Why not just burniate it? The Elixir and Hibernate tools could have dedicated tags, but 39 questions is a very small number, indeed. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
The swift question is using the tag because they want their code to conform to a specified Protocol (eg an Interface in Java terms). — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Ugh, there are also posts that simply misspelled “confirm”. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
After cleaning out the Swift protocol, confirm dialogs, and compiler errors that use the verb ‘to conform’ posts, there are 2 elixir and 22 nhibernate posts left. All of them several years old. I don’t think we really need this tag. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Exactly. It's the details required to debug, whether that's things already tried that answerers don't need to try, or the information needed to reproduce the situation locally to try to debug it. — Ryan M just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LightCC
Okay, so "debugging details" means the poster needs to provide more details tried so far in debugging, and/or to allow other users to debug further by getting them a quickly as possible to where the user got "stuck" in the debugging process? That makes sense. — LightCC 1 min ago
 
 
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5:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Did you mean "because they were never answered and will be deleted after ~30 days."? — Scratte 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Scratte I did indeed, thanks! Fixed. — Ryan M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
For those who think this is a bad idea, I'd love to hear why. Do you think it's a good tag, or perhaps that it is a bad tag, but my proposed solution to the problem is also bad? — Ryan M 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
If you think this is a bad idea, I'd love some input: Do you think it's a good tag, or perhaps that it is a bad tag, but my proposed solution to the problem is also bad? I'm definitely open to other ideas here. — Ryan M 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
As a suggestion, burnination requests usually directly address how the tag fits the Criteria for Burnination. — Makyen 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Makyen thanks. Should this be reclassified as a synonym request rather than a burnination? Or is it kind of both? — Ryan M just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Prabesh Gouli
Ok like 50 reputations to comment its 80 flaggings for moderator. Recently I have started contributing on this platform, no offense but this site has lots of restriction for new users. — Prabesh Gouli 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
How else are we supposed to decide anyone's capability? — oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Looks like something of both. A straight synonym request wouldn't usually require individually editing the questions. It would just be a change to the tags in the database — Makyen 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
Well...a new user who does not know well enough about the platform is not really a good candidate to be a moderator. Regarding comment you can always comment on your questions and answers, and any answers to questions you've asked, even with 1 rep and it's really not that tough to get 50 rep..all you need is ask few good questions — Arghya Sadhu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think asking Questions is hard, especially good ones, so I'm not with you on "all you need is..". Answering is way easier. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Prabesh Gouli
Ok, might be new users do not know well enough about the platform, but what about someone like me, I am using StackOverflow for a long time but I just started contributing so I have less reputation and badge. I know well enough about the platform so am I capable? No, I am not I don't have enough badge. This is just my feelings, Please do not get offended. — Prabesh Gouli 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Prabesh Gouli
I don't know but let me ask it to others. — Prabesh Gouli 1 min ago
 
6:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@PrabeshGouli For someone who "know well enough about the platform" this question and the next one shows surprising lack of research effort... "This is just my feelings, Please do not get offended.". — Alexei Levenkov 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shiv_90
@weegee Well we could of course develop the first posts review and moderation further. As moderators we're here to provide inputs and if required work on implementing them. That's our job - in keeping the forum clean. We could add more features that prevent users from not checking similar questions/dupes. For example, you can ask If the user has checked for dupes, if he/she selects 'yes' and if it solves the problem then the question cannot be allowed to be posted. If the user selects 'no'; then again the question cannot be posted. We can certainly keep improving the existing system. — Shiv_90 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Prabesh Gouli
Thank you, everyone, for participating, I got what I need. Please someone do 'status-completed' to this. — Prabesh Gouli just now
 
6:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henke
"Obviously the same rules apply: code-only questions or answers will still be blocked" https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/269753 - Is the sandbox an exception? — Henke 1 min ago
 
7:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Hi @KevinMeboe - I was one of the reviewers and rejected on a premise that if an author is still active on the site, it is more respectful to ping them in a comment a move on. Once you have 2K rep, you can go guns blazing, but I wouldn't recommend that either. Before that, when you reach 1e2 rep, you can open a chat room (and on 1K - private ones). Unfortunately, the review comment section is very limited, so the wording may have confused you — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
7:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
You also need a minimum of 3000 reputation to contest in the election. — adiga 1 min ago
 
7:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@PrabeshGouli you are a member since only 2years. This doesn't count as long time. It's indeed very short. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
8:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
@Shiv_90 Failing to see how would that improve anything, if users at first place don't check for dupes when they are shown similar questions, do you think they'll be honest in clicking that checkbox? — weegee 1 min ago
 
8:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
If you "really want to apply and give your best to help the community" please use the existing tools made available to you. You have cast 0 votes, raised 0 flags and edited only 2 posts. — adiga 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
read the banner on the top — Temani Afif just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
It clearly says at the top of their profile that they've been suspended for 60 days. — F1Krazy 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
At the end of this timed suspension period, your reputation will be recalculated, and your account will resume as normal.Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
It says This account is temporarily suspended to cool down. The suspension period ends on Sep 5 at 15:27. in his profile. — oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bravemaster
Does suspension affect reputation? — bravemaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
Does this answer your question? User unexpectedly on 1 reputationweegee 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bravemaster
@weegee See NOTICE in my post — bravemaster 1 min ago
 
9:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It was posted by a known troll, and a moderator used the spam flag to nuke it before destroying the account. They should have used the "rude/abusive" flag, which has the same effect, but doesn't allow it to be used as an audit. (In some sense, it was spam, as this troll has been spamming the site repeatedly with the same question, but that's not something a reviewer could or would be expected to know.) As ever, it's a bad audit, since audits are supposed to be obvious. Fixed now. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
 
10:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
We don't mark discussions as [status-completed], @Prabesh. That mostly only applies to [feature-requests, and occasionally to certain [support] requests. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Prabesh time spent as a user isn't super meaningful though... How much activity do you have, how much do you know about how we work? How much of the culture of the site, of what's good and not, have you shown? None :/. That's why the badges are important — Patrice 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nikita Demodov
Question #6 should be edited to not say male, but any gender instead, since some may see the question itself sexist. — Nikita Demodov 1 min ago
 
11:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Nick only if they voted on that election, otherwise the right-hand side is empty. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
11:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The whole point of a PDF is that it preserves the format exactly across all platforms. It is like the "Pretty Print File" that you describe. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michelle
@CodyGray how do I see those moderator votes, is there an easy way from the question? — Michelle 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Michelle Look in the timeline by clicking the clock icon in the sidebar of the post (underneath the vote arrows). That'll give you links to all of the reviews that the post has undergone (unless the reviews are still pending, in which case you cannot see them in the timeline unless you have moderator privileges). — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michelle
@CodyGray Thank you. I had noticed the clock before and didn't realise what it was for. — Michelle 1 min ago
 
12:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
Go to their user profile. Look at the activity and contributions. In particular, their moderation activity (flags, edits, close votes, duplicates: do they moderate well, in your estimation?) and their posts on Meta (do their positions on the issues align with your own?). Second priority: look at their posts on Main (do they answer questions which you think represent the kind of content you want on the site? Do their answers represent the kind of content you want on the site?). Badges and rep are just a high-level summary of these activities. — Dan Bron 57 secs ago
 
12:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
Are you linking to your own work or product elsewhere on the internet and (a) not disclosing your affiliation with that work and (b) not summarizing the solution in the text of your answer on this site, so people OP can solve his problem without visiting your link? — Dan Bron 1 min ago
 
12:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Depends on whether the answers to the one question also answer the other question. — Jeanne Dark 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Not only that answer was deleted but your second answer, an exact re-post for the deleted answer, was deleted as well by a different mod. A user also left a comment to inform you that your earlier answer was deleted. — rene 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Just downvote it. It appears that the question may be the problem, so consider voting to close it too, if it is indeed lacking a MCVE. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It doesn't matter whether you choose VLQ or NAA. They're handled in the same way, and they effectively mean the same thing: this answer is utterly unsalvageable and/or causing harm and therefore needs to be deleted by a moderator. That particular answer was self-deleted less than 1 minute after being flagged. The author realized they were wrong and deleted it. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Questions can be asked differently or have nuanced variations... it's the solutions that matter — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
It was not spam-deleted. Both were deleted by moderators, but the second one received one spam flag that wasn't dismissed when the moderator deleted the post. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
And also relevant, from the help center: How not to be spammer. Disclosure is just one component of what would make a post not spam. I actually missed that the link was to a fiddle rather than to your own site because you included a disclaimer, and otherwise nothing but a link. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aliqua
Given the fact that many people find stackoverflow by asking search engines questions, isn't it a good thing to sometimes have different questions which have the same answers? So long as a "duplicate" is marked, or answers with links/references lead to the question ultimately being answered? — Aliqua 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@charlietfl Where did I state i'd remove them? — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Why would you remove the duplicate? Even when there is a chain of duplicates leading to other duplicates that chain can be helpful to sorting through nuances and alternate apporaches — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@charlietfl Gee, didn't realize that. Should I put the link back? — Ann Zen 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
By reopening it removed the link to duplicate — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konstantin Triger
@ma Any answer that references a project with my involvement may be looked as a promotion. — Konstantin Triger 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@charlietfl Like edit it in, or close it? — Ann Zen 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Judging from the votes you are getting on this answer what do you think? — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Not sure, issue is why remove it in the first place or reopen it? If the current answer is a good anwser I doubt it needs more answers. Marking as duplicate won't affect it being found or getting votes — charlietfl 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konstantin Triger
Ok, so what should I do in this case? Can I restore the answer (and add more details)? — Konstantin Triger 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Konstantin Triger
@MartijnPieters: Any answer that references a project with my involvement may be looked as a promotion. Clearly I'm a domain expert and can give the best answer related to the work I do. So giving an expert answer is a bad thing to do if I'm affiliated with the project? And again, what about the #2 answer which does more or less the same? Indeed I'm interested that more folks would use the project, but because it's great! (my project is free, and the #2 is not) — Konstantin Triger 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@charlietfl Where can I see who casted open vote? — Ann Zen 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
There's still the Edit the question so it is on-topic for Stack Overflow. option, right? — Ann Zen 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
This question went to the reopen queue three times and got only one vote in favor of reopening it, that's not a strong sign that the community want that question to be open and that one person alone "killed" it. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"You are the first to have ever voted to reopen it.", isn't OP the second one, because the question got one single reopen vote on the third reopen queue iteration? But I still agree with your answer. — Tom 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
The question has entered the reopen queue six times, and 18 users decided to leave it closed. However, you and two others reopened it now. Well done — oguz ismail 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
Closing something on the web is generally tantamount to killing it. Any of us could test this by closing our Stack Overflow accounts and then trying to log back in. Close has always had an air of finality to it. — Rounin 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Rounin what do you mean? — Ann Zen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@Rounin No, it is not the same. That question has not been deleted and can still be indexed by search engines so how is it "killed" — charlietfl 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Rounin That goes against the entire purpose and intention of the closure system, which has always been intended as a temporary state for the question while it gets edited to comply with our requirements. On Stack Exchange, "closed" means "not accepting answers". Your accounts example is also flawed: you don't "close" accounts, you delete them. I agree that deletion is final (even though, on Stack Exchange, it can technically be reversed). — Cody Gray ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
@AnnZen - Yes. It's a bit like a forced confession, isn't it? — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@charlietfl Where can I see who casted open vote? — Ann Zen 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user202729
"vote for the content, not the user". It's irrelevant how many reputation the user have now or back then. Also it's okay if this site doesn't accept every kind of questions. What's the problem?... — user202729 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Of course there is. They can edit it. Have you read the help center? — Cody Gray ♦ 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
Thanks. It looks nice. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
@AnnZen I mean there's no chance for an OP to maintain a position that their question is already on-topic, without alteration. — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Rounin Oh, silly me! — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
@charlietfl - it's de-facto "killed" because it's dead and abandoned in people's minds due to the semantics of the verb "to close". It's not actually "killed", but it is, de-facto. — Rounin 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
"Close" doesn't imply a temporary state. I'd submit that we are using the wrong verb. — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@Rounin Closed to new answers but the content is still available and searchable and votable. Seems like an over reaction to something trivial — charlietfl 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
@CodyGray that makes sense...I was thinking if my flag will get declined if I choose wrong — Arghya Sadhu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
I was able to reproduce this once using Safari 13.0.3 on macOS Catalina 10.15.1, in a private browsing window. But then when I tried again, in order to take a screen shot, the problem went away! Even rebooting + restarting Safari didn't bring the error back. Very strange. And I couldn't reproduce the problem at all using Firefox on mac. Sorry I can't be of more help. — dbc 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The tour explains how Stack Exchange is not like any other forum. If you'd like to propose another verb, you are free to do so, but the meaning of "closed" is pretty well established now, not to mention explained in this help center article and the community FAQ. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
@charlietfl - no, I don't feel it's an over-reaction to something trivial. But neither of our opinions on this matter. Usefully, we can look at the data on how much a question is interacted with before and after it has been "closed" (even though it remains available, searchable, votable etc.) — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"Please someone do 'status-completed' to this" ... doesn't this show that "I know well enough about the platform" isn't that true? You know some parts about the plattform, but nothing/not much about the important parts for a mod, like flagging, close voting, reviews. — Tom 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I agree that the 3 votes are useful, but with time people become experts in their area of expertise. They are often capable of deciding if the question is clear and on-topic. — Dharman 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
@CodyGray - other verbs: "temporarily put on hold", "temporarily put on ice", "temporarily put on the shelf", "temporarily pigeon-holed", "in recess", "held in abeyance", "kept in abeyance", "under review", "temporarily shelved", "temporarily suspended". — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I meant gold tag-badge. The gold badge you earn for answering questions in the particular tag. — Dharman 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
@CodyGray Your point makes sense — Arghya Sadhu 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
SO will not be stable with so many users being able to dictate that. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Dharman Even presidents elected by thousands have the white-house to make decisions upon agreement. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
There are currently only 9.7k people with such badges. They are mostly very active and they are trusted already with the dupe hammer — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
The point you are raising in your answer is a very valid point, but I believe that we need to improve something when it comes to closing questions. A lot of questions never get closed, because there is not enough people to cast the remaining 2 votes. What do you suggest would be a good way to overcome this problem? — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
Re: "The fact that people find something useful and/or worthy of an upvote doesn't mean that it is on topic or otherwise suitable for Stack Overflow." If we can't agree that Stack Overflow is the people who use Stack Overflow then I regret we may never see eye to eye on this matter. — Rounin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
Sorry, I can't suggest a solution, at least not at the moment. But I know a bad idea when I see it. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
 
2:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick L.
You are right and it is, however, I am curious if typically we should close such a question, or just leave it open and refer the older one along. This is not limited to this question, my point is in a more generic matter: "What is the point that one question should be closed as duplicate, even if it slightly deviates another?" — Nick L. just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
Okay, I give up. I'm deleting this question. Once again - as ever - it's always a massive pile-on of people putting the platform ahead of the people who use the platform. This is a philosophy which would go down well in North Korea. No wonder the platform has garnered a reputation for being... unwelcoming. — Rounin 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pierre
I'll try on another browser. — Pierre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
no repro. ... ... — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick L.
@oguzismail since the question entered the queue six times (along with additional reopen votes apart from the last three), it alone indicates that there is some ambiguity there. I also believe the question should live, based on its impact and that typically, it slightly deviates from the original. However, a link should be placed towards the first question. — Nick L. 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
That's good to read. Thanks for mentioning that. I'm glad, at least, to learn that happened. — Rounin 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Rounin SO tried another verb - questions were able to be put "on hold" for some time as an experiment, but it didn't show any different effect, so it was cancelled again. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clive
Yeah, as soon as you start taking about “dictatorship” and comparing people to the North Korean regime, you’ve kinda ruined your credibility. People are allowed to have a different opinion to you, even if that makes yours the unpopular one — Clive 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Rounin I wish I could link you to the posts where the name change and the outcome was discussed, but I can't find them at the moment, sorry — Modus Tollens 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Questions marked duplicate don't disappear. SO's goal is to create a knowledge base, not answer nuanced variations of the same questions over and over. Suppose someone else comes along and finds your referenced question but they also have another variation. By looking at current one and following the duplicate link doesn't that give them an even better chance of solving their issue? — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pierre
@JonasWilms Indeed, I found the issue. I updated my question. — Pierre 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
The question is closed because it attracts self-promotion and non factual answers à la try my library xy. If this is supported natively someday, the question can be reopened or the answers can be edited. Till then I see no reason why it should be reopened. — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? When to flag an answer as "not an answer"?gnat 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
I think the filter gets persisted across pages, so if you looked for bounties somewhen, the filter still applies. So this is rather by design and quite useful IMO. — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@NickL. The question does live, is searchable and vote able. It is only closed to new answers and why is that a problem? A duplicate link is a benefit for future readers not a negative and has no impact on either the asker or the existing answer — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick L.
@charlietfl my point is that the question is slightly different, therefore typically we should not mark them as duplicate. Check my update inside my question. There can be answers to the first question that do not answer the second. But this is to they typical extent, since practically, it is so close that it can be considered as dupe. So how do we handle this? — Nick L. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
There are 8 answers in the duplicate. Just because one answer may not fit I simply can not see how being provided all the variations is a negative to future readers. You seem to have a misconception that marking questions as duplicates is counter productive to the goals of the site — charlietfl 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Rounin on hold was removed with the redesign of the post notices: meta.stackexchange.com/q/339700/158100rene 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick L.
@charlietfl with all the respect I disagree. I believe also that the best response in the dupe question contributes greatly to the original question - therefore, it adds value to the topic. But my point is not focused on this question, rather on how we handle such cases in general. We have focused on one case, rather than trying to find a good, well-measured attitude on this. Some food for thought: stackoverflow.blog/2009/04/29/handling-duplicate-questionsNick L. 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick L.
@charlietfl "Is erring on the side of alternate approaches bad or wrong?" Probably it is not, and I find the discussion highly constructive on this - actually this is why I opened the question, to have a discussion on which extent it is necessary, or bad to close a dupe (and thanks to you and everyone for taking the time to discuss it). To me, I judge the dupe questions by their high quality answers, at times. If we see that there is value there, then the dupe should remain active with a link to the first answer - and I believe this is the particular case. — Nick L. 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
This question belongs on a site that didn't exist at the time it was asked: software recommendations SE. Yes, there are some legacy questions from the early days of SO with a lot of "I'm having this problem too" upvotes. Such questions are often kept for historical reasons, but it doesn't make them on-topic. A few canonical, highly-upvoted recommendation questions doesn't justify opening up the gates to a flood of essentially garbage recommendation questions that show no effort. — ggorlen 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Ok but it seems from this and from another recent similar question that there is a misconception that the content is no longer active. The only thing not active is new answers, otherwise the content exists for all. You found that question didn't you? Did you have a better solution to add that wouldn't cross over all the alternatives? — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
There is one other benefit to marking duplicates that is trying to get askers to do more research when they ask questions that have been asked many many times. It gets really tiresome seeing many questions where it is really obvious that little to no research hs been done before asking — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick L.
You are right that the content remains active, however, should it close? Is it an exact duplicate? Based on this Meta SE question and guidelines it is not an exact dupe. To clarify this: I am in favor of dupe voting/closing - however I am skeptical on whether or not it should be applied in variations of the original question that contain high-quality answers, especially if the variation gives space for different, high quality answers. There is no question if the variation leaves no space for this. — Nick L. 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
"Users who have beneficial contributions to the site should be given more leeway than those who have no beneficial contributions" Does that mean you would apply a lesser penalty to a high-rep user? In what way would you give them more leeway? — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Also, an elected ultra-power user and moderator like Martijn represents the views of many people on the site, myself included. I'm happy to have moderators making good decisions like this on my (and many others') behalf. The idea that it's "one member" is a fabrication. Also, I'm sure pretty much everyone who asked or answered a reasonable number of questions back in 2008 has 40k+ rep by virtue of time accumulation and beating everyone else to the punch. And as others have pointed out, it's irrelevant anyway--I see low-quality questions on a regular basis from top 3% users. — ggorlen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Getting into nuance now though. Suppose it was reflected as 2 questions... 1) How to check array exists/length and 2) How to create new one if not. The dup clearly answers the first and the second is trivial and super easy to reserch — charlietfl 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick L.
Alright, to see if I get this right: a good indication would be to check if answer is easily found in research terms: if duplication closing adds in terms of research (less questions to find for the same topic) and no answers are lost, then we have to close the "dupe", despite being a slight variation, in case. — Nick L. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Opinions will vary if you consider that as a two step question. The first step is answered by the dup and the second is beyond easy to research — charlietfl 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
That is an answer to a question about closing one's own question, and not as a duplicate. Be wary of using quotes out of context... — Heretic Monkey 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@charlietfl "easy to research" yet there are several gotchas: the array isn't an array but has .length, the object is null, the object is an array like, etc. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@HereticMonkey Where did I use quotes? — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@Braiam From the dup Array.isArray() covers those gotchas — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@charlietfl Which is only accidental. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
sigh citing, whatever. You pointed to the words of another to make a point. I call that quoting, you can call it citing, referencing, pick a word out of a thesaurus. The point is that answer does not bolster your point. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@Braiam Not sure what you mean by accidental — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@charlietfl that the mere fact that is there, doesn't mean that someone would ever think about using it in the other scenario. It's accidental that someone through "hey, maybe I should make sure that the array I'm creating is an actual array" which the other scenario you should make sure. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
How about we just close it as a duplicate of Check if an array is empty or exists and call it a day? — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@Braiam How to create a valid array is not easily researched? I think people not accepting this scenario as a duplicate are thinking only about the actual code in the question itself and not about future readers who benefit from the dup link as part of the knowledge base — charlietfl 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@CodyGray Of course there is. They can edit it., sorry, is that for me, or the OP? — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@charlietfl you are putting way too much faith in readers. The fact that the "duplicate" has more views than the target should be enough to tell you otherwise. And no, I don't accept them as duplicate because they are conceptually different questions. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@heretic I agree. This is the right solution. — Dharman 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@HereticMonkey It was originally marked as dup until this question caused people to open it pointlessly and thus remove the dup link — charlietfl 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
After I closed the post it was automatically entered into the reopen review queue, where three reviewers voted to leave the question closed. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
There have been two reopen votes on the post since, not including yours. In both of those cases the review concluded with three “leave closed” votes, in Sept 2017 and in Nov 2019. So far 8 members of the community with review privileges have voted to leave it closed (one member voted on two of the reviews). — Martijn Pieters ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
You appear to be conflating “popularity” with “on-topic”. That’s not how this site operates. That’s not how this site has ever operated. For example, we got rid of a hugely popular “programmer jokes” thread at some point because it was a huge mess. It was popular but didn’t work with this format. Lots of things are popular on the internet but that doesn’t mean they have a place on Stack Overflow. Like cat videos for example. However much I’d upvote a cute video of a cat on a computer, it would not become on topic just because I like such videos. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 59 secs ago
 
4:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Johannes Kuhn
Honestly, the easiest way to bypass this is to post the question, delete it, and un-delete it 2 days later. — Johannes Kuhn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by franz1
Does posting useful comments to other questions help to get out of Question ban? — franz1 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Johannes Kuhn
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@KonstantinTriger no one said anything about you answering with expertise is a bad thing. That’s completely misreading what I tried to say. I’m saying the way you answered is bad, not the fact that you answer. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
What other differences do you think there might be between your answer and the one with the second-highest vote count there? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
Having said that, he later elaborated upon this statement in that paragraph - "However, that doesn't mean that on a matter of policy there should be different treatment between a user with 100k reputation and a user with 1 reputation [...]" - which makes it quite evident that he will not discriminate users while giving a so called 'penalty'. — Ardent Coder 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
@Dharman I did not know the meaning of 'leeway', but I'm here after learning what the word means - "the amount of freedom to move or act that is available." The quoted statement simply highlighted a difference between contributing and non-contributing users, and just like contributing users are given more privileges on the site, they implicitly have the leeway and that's a trap in the question, which Makyen did not fall into. — Ardent Coder 50 secs ago
 
5:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
"Users who have beneficial contributions to the site should be given more leeway than those who have no beneficial contributions" - Yes I have read the following 'However' qualifier. However, I really don't agree with this philosophy. It's a major contributing factor to new users being run off the site quickly. That said, it's clearly embedded into the culture with no prospect of ever changing in any meaningful way. Even one of the questions here (incorrectly) links reputation with experience. Oh well. — ouflak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
On a post which is lacking disclosure of affiliation, my choice to edit in disclosure, rather than deleting and having them fix it up themselves, will be primarily based on my impression of their intent with the post (e.g. does it look like their intent was primarily to promote their thing, or to give a good answer; how many similar answers did they post; how fast; are they good answers without the promotion), and how sure I am of the nature of their affiliation (e.g. own it? just work on it/work for the company? etc.), as that will inform the wording used for disclosing their affiliation. — Makyen 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@Dharman What I meant was largely similar to what you wrote in response to the same question. If the user is providing, or trying to provide, positive contributions, then work with and guide the user towards contributing within the policies and guidelines we have for the site. While I have respect for the effort which a user has put into the site to have 100k rep, that doesn't mean they get lesser penalties than a new user who is also contributing positively, or just honestly trying to do so. Both must be in compliance with the policies and guidelines. — Makyen 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Your example question has been in the review queue 3 times, reviewed by 9 different users, and no time in the last 5 years received enough votes to be reopened. Sounds like a question that’s not suitable for Stack Overflow if I ever saw one — Security Hound 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
@ouflak Thanks for proving Makyen's point - "I usually find it's very easy to mentally put myself in other people's position in order to explore their point of view and understand them better." as he already had a reply to your problem in the same paragraph - "Users who appear to be here to positively contribute should be guided towards doing that." Which philosophy do you have problem with? When I was a new user, I found lack of feedback annoying as I was simply left with unexplained downvotes. Guiding new users properly is one of the solutions, and Makyen's comment history proves it. — Ardent Coder 1 min ago
 
6:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
@ArdentCoder, The question is about whether higher rep users should be given more 'leeway' on the site than lower rep users. Not whether low rep users should be coddled, which is a separate discusion altogether. — ouflak 56 secs ago
 
6:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
@ouflak To execute quality control across the site, which is done by the community itself, who would you prefer - low rep users or high rep users? This distinction may seem harsh, but trusting established users more is quite natural - which explains the privileges a user gains with reputation. Now, let me explain the meaning of that "however" to you: If those high-rep users misuse the 'leeway', there is no compromise in punishment. — Ardent Coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Meboe
@OlegValter That makes sense, and I'll be doing that from now on. This was a bit of a unique case where the code was incorrect as written, and was actively going against what the author was trying to do. — Kevin Meboe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
@ArdentCoder, And that's the problem. The 'trust' factor is inherently measured by reputation, not genuine ability, experience, or interest. Hence the meta posts about users who've flashed their way to 3k on a hot tag, bumble into the review queues (especially the close-vote queue) and quickly get review banned, leaving a mess behind. I understand that the culture here prefers high rep and that this will likely never change even if it is in the best interests of the site moderation-wise for it change. Established does not necessarily equal high rep. — ouflak 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
That said, I like this candidate and would not hold this view on higher rep users against them at all. It reflects a view that's already ingrained into the culture. One of my top three votes will likely going here. — ouflak 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Meboe
I assumed they were a relic that remained as the code was developed. Regardless, editing to remove the bug seemed to be the correct choice, especially since it didn't change the spirit of the answer (other than to fix the obvious error). — Kevin Meboe 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
@ouflak Do note that Stack Overflow has a reputation for quality. User reputation is awarded by the community, which is often a good measure of experience. In cases when that is not the case, we rightly have review-bans (as you pointed out) and other mechanisms to handle the situation. If you still have problems with "rep == experience", feel free to suggest a different measure of experience which is both feasible and more accurate than the current metric on Meta. — Ardent Coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Duniho
... In those cases, what harm is there in providing the author of the question "what they need"? More generally, shouldn't we always be striving to provide users with "what they need", even when they themselves aren't necessarily posting the best-quality question? How does it harm us to help someone else? — Peter Duniho 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Duniho
I'm not against the suggestion in principle, but would appreciate you clarifying this statement: "The OP will no more care if their question is deleted later since he already got what they need". Is that really a concern? There are certainly questions which are off-topic and shouldn't be answered, and it's not ideal to encourage a user to continue to post such questions by providing accurate answers to them. But I think this happens rarely. Most often questions need closing because they simply aren't presented well or are duplicates. ... — Peter Duniho 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
If someone is looking for noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ's answers, he posted them here. I found it by searching in chat and following links, but it wan't easy. — Donald Duck 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@KevinMeboe - thank you for replying. I am usually torn on reviewing such edits, this guideline helps avoid ambiguity in decisions on rejecting / approving such edits - if the due process was followed (i.e., the OP did not log in for a couple of months or did not respond), you can go ahead. Oh, and another thing: you can take such edits to one the public chat rooms if you are unsure. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3386109
@TemaniAfif Tricks to bypass closure should be fixed. E.g. if a question has a bounty, only the OP can change the tags. If the OP does change the tags, then the bounty is immediately removed/forfeited. As for changing tags before adding the bounty, or the delete/undelete trick, the 2 day wait period should be starting from the last tag edit or undelete. — user3386109 1 min ago
 
7:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wiktor Stribiżew
Great code snippet :) — Wiktor Stribiżew 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Muhammed Refaat
@F1Krazy no value — Muhammed Refaat 1 min ago
 
7:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@WiktorStribiżew - thank you (oh, the irony) - this is a remnant of the version prior to Donald Duck noting that an insensitive match could be used. Happy to incorporate the change shortly, what may be better than to show that the community can build this from scratch, review and debug? :) — Oleg Valter 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Sorry, this was my error. It’s not so much a troll as someone who has an extraordinary tone-deafness towards “no longer welcome” combined with a narrow single-minded focus on a single topic rarely seen, reposting several times a week. They have been trying to solve the same narrow task for over a year now and seem incapable of learning on their own. Anyway, I tried out a new tool built by a fellow moderator to expedite the regular clearing of accounts and forgot this also put the post into the audit queue. I’ll review the past few posts involved to see if I need to clear more such posts. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@MuhammedRefaat Then why do it? — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
There is no circumstance where someone who has been an inactive/passive member for a long time would be a good moderator. Would you hire a programmer that has never coded but can show you they've spent a couple years watching videos on coding? — ggorlen 8 secs ago
 
8:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@PeterDuniho the same logic apply to SO — Temani Afif 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@PeterDuniho an easy example: You are not allowed to upload copy of film that you hacked so that people can download them and watch them for free. This is illegal and your content need to be deleted BUT suppose that I delete your content too late. It would be useless because a lot of people already downloaded the film and I no more care if you delete the files I uploaded after months. I did what I want and I don't care if you apply the rules to me. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@PeterDuniho SO isn't a place to help people, we aren't a helpdesk. We have strict rules to accept high quality questions and very specific question. If we don't apply such rules then SO will be a simple Forum or a chat where anyone can ask what he want freely and he will do it because he know that at the end he will get the answer. After that, he doesn't matter what will happen to his question since he got what he wanted. — Temani Afif 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
After some considerable discussion about this in SOCVR, I feel that the new duplicate target your refer to here (found by Heretic Monkey) is a far better dupe target. However, I don't really feel like now offering a reopen vote (which would be the third), just so that the question can be closed again. Better to wait for a Gold-Hammer or Moderator to change the dupe target. — Adrian Mole 9 secs ago
 
8:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@charlietfl I expect it was due to the "impedance mismatch" between the two questions. The problem, as I see it, is that people spend so much time and effort arguing about a specific duplicate when there's almost always other choices for duplicate target, especially in JavaScript. If people would spend more time trying to find a duplicate that meets the needs of the asker, rather than arguing about whether the current proposed duplicate is 100% accurate, questions which should be closed as a duplicate would stay closed as duplicates. — Heretic Monkey 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NobodyNada
However, if the exact same answer was posted by, say, Jon Skeet, that would be a wildly inappropriate course of action. Because of the hundreds of thousands of quality contributions he's made to the site, we could safely assume that it was a one-time cat-on-keyboard accident, and it wouldn't make sense to penalize him so harshly. It doesn't mean that Jon Skeet is allowed to post "djkslhaflkjsdfhalks" -- it would still be deleted right away -- but it does mean we'd give him the benefit of the doubt to a greater extent than we would a 1-rep user. (2/2) — NobodyNada 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NobodyNada
@ouflak Consider an example: Someone posts an answer consisting solely of "djkslhaflkjsdfhalks" or similar nonsense (this happens all the time). If the answer comes from a brand-new unregistered 1-rep user, the user is almost certainly just being disruptive and standard procedure would be to delete the post as R/A, nuke the account, and feed it into SpamRam so that they would quickly get an IP-level block if they recreate their account and keep posting nonsense. (1/2) — NobodyNada 38 secs ago
 
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