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1:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Szuhay
@dbc screen shot added. Exact same error on mac+tor, mac+safari, mac+chrome. — Jeff Szuhay 5 secs ago
 
 
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4:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@gnat Yes, as far as I know, staff-retracted nominations would still be visible, since they're not deleted, just retracted. Regarding Robert, were it not for the suspension, he could just apply for reinstatement, without needing to go through the election. He certainly had my support when he applied, but the process was aborted at a higher level than mod input. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
The meta effect has downvoted the question to the point that it is now eligible for auto-deletion. — pppery 1 min ago
 
5:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Requesting the deletion of your user profile doesn’t delete your questions. There are restrictions that prevent you from deleting a question after you receive an answer. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
5:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AlwaysHelping
@SecurityHound My question was the other way around. But thanks for your comment. — AlwaysHelping 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Personally, I think I'm more offended by Salesforce. — Cody Gray ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Please don't make this about trust in the moderators. Even people who are trustworthy can make mistakes, and Robert or anyone else is entitled to ask a question about our rationale without even assuming that we made a mistake. Transparency is good. I personally don't see why Sam thought it necessary to lock the post, either, but he and I don't always see eye-to-eye when it comes to moderating comments. Nevertheless, I still generally trust his judgment. — Cody Gray ♦ 42 secs ago
 
6:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Mike I'm hesitant to do this on the recommendation of only one user. Are there others who are active in the GAP tag that have an opinion? I'd like to see them weigh in here as well. If we can get any sort of a consensus, it's an easy change, but this is not my area of expertise, so it makes me uncomfortable to just start forcing changes on the community. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
What is your question about that question? Also why have you posted a different question in this question? — jonrsharpe 1 min ago
 
7:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
we'd rather get some help in custom flags, IMHO. Custom flags queue is a bottomless well. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@SecurityHound even simpler solution that will cover all (supposedly infrequent) cases of potential abuse is probably the system raising automatic mod flag whenever bountied question is closed. This way moderators would be able to review all (again, supposedly infrequent) cases of such closures and catch if there is something / anything fishy — gnat 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shiv_90
I agree with Samuel's skipfest. It just destroys the whole joy of moderating and I fear this will be damaging in the long run since moderators will leave their roles and then this would result in a vicious cycle. — Shiv_90 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
What is your question about that question? Why have you included a different question in this question? — jonrsharpe 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
This answer might be useful to read (as well as the question): meta.stackoverflow.com/a/398810/578411 and then take the appropriate actions. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Antonis Yiannaki
Sorry for the confusion. My question is how to solve the percentage equation. As you can see in the first pc, the percentage values are not correct. I want to find the percentage of the sum of the above values and show them outside the chart — Antonis Yiannaki 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
This is Meta, we do not answer that question here, we give advice on how to improve your question on Main. What you need to ask here is what you need help with in that context, see the link I offered earlier. — rene just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@AntonisYiannaki You are on meta Stack Overflow, the site about Stack Overflow. — Daedalus 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Meta is for questions about Stack Overflow. You seem to just have a new question, ask it (or edit your previous question) on the main site. But see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326569/… and note that this isn't a code-writing or tutorial service. — jonrsharpe 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
code Snippet and code in general is never needed to ask a good question. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
8:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Know that this is not a new problem. Moderation is a never-ending muck-raking exercise, but if you are relatively new to the task it can look as if the muck is new too. That we have good and even great content is the result of this endless Sisyphusean task of raking mud, most of which is now gone and so invisible to our newer rake wielders. Don’t despair, just... keep raking! — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@JonH yes, I understand why you would feel that way. — Yvette 44 secs ago
 
8:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
When someone deletes their profile, questions with upvoted answers are not auto-deleted. So this would only apply to a question with a negative score and with no answers with a positive score. If a bounty is involved too then that’s a pretty rare occurrence. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
In such a rare case, the rep for the bounty would be gone. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AlwaysHelping
@MartijnPieters Thanks heaps. Just needed this clarification as i was not sure how this scenario works. — AlwaysHelping 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
All this is covered in the deletion FAQ. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AlwaysHelping
@MartijnPieters Thanks for the link. Its helpful - Did not have that one before. — AlwaysHelping 59 secs ago
 
 
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10:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I would say it's a bit disappointing for users that don't have the time to answer such questions ... — Temani Afif 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not a porcupine
Heavily relevant questions (not voting as a duplicate because there may be something more specific to interactions at SOCVR): meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/260263 and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/374359E_net4 is not a porcupine 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If a question does not fit the site's rules, needs to be closed as soon as possible, so it can be fixed (if possible), or deleted (if impossible to be fixed). — yivi 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not a porcupine
And another one: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/379284 "The sooner the question gets closed, the less likelihood that someone will come along and post guesses."E_net4 is not a porcupine 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The sooner that an unsuitable question is closed, the better. See: How soon should I vote to close?Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
If the question got deservedly closed, the sooner the better, because the question is not a good fit for SO (even if it's not completely off topic it might still be too broad or unclear and cannot be sensibly answered) and shouldn't be answered. Imagine a question is too broad, someone answers it and then the OP narrows down their actual issue and it turns out differently from what the answerer thought (because they could only guess). So they just wasted their time writing the wrong answer to the OP's question. That would also be disappointing. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
You don't even need SOCVR to close questions quickly - popular tags tend to close bad questions within just a few minutes of being posted. — VLAZ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I am not suggesting to closed all bountied question but off-topic bountied question that should have been closed even before the bounty was set. Also such question should not be answered in the first place — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I don't think, there is rules that define an off-topic question. If you ask an off-topic question, it should be closed (even if you were able to set a bounty to it before it get closed) — Temani Afif 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Victor VosMottor thanks Monica
@TemaniAfif If I throw a bounty I want to be sure that I won't lose 50 or 100 or 500 or rep because somebody thinks "the question is offtopic". — Victor VosMottor thanks Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Just for completeness: SOCVR is governed by a strict set of rules, codified in our FAQ and those rules are actively enforced by the RO team, room regulars and now and then by a diamond moderator. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
Also read my question carefully. Bountied question can be closed by moderators. I am suggesting that we allow users to do the same so closing bountied question already exist since too long. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
I believe you'll make a great moderator, and I disagree with those who say otherwise. You've not been afraid to express your views on many things, even despite knowing that your viewpoints would be very unpopular. That's something that I'm still unable to do, especially as I hold minority viewpoints on some of the recent controversies. I'd love to see you as a moderator here again. — gparyani 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If a bountied question is closed, the bounty is refunded. So no rep is lot. At most, and that's the tricky part, answerers lost time. One can argue that they shouldn't have spent time answering an off-topic question, but that's another conversation. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
What else do you think would help in moderation of first posts? We have first posts review qeue to take care of them for now. till the OP checks at least some number of related questions that come under the "Similar questions" pane. So if users don't check for duplicates, do you think they will 'check' for some number of related questions that are dupes? A floor limit of # of words required to avoid questions that have only titles. if I understand this correctly, a word limit on the question body to prevent title only questions? — weegee 23 secs ago
 
11:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
we don't need to approve the bounty, we need to close off topic questions .. if you ask an off topic question it should be closed. If you happen to bypass the closure and you are able to set a bounty they we should also be able to close your question. It's about closing off topic question, not about the bounty. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
 
11:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Bounties are never refunded when they "expire". They are only refunded if the bounty is removed from a question. — yivi 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
What should be the time limit before a question is closed? — adiga 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@gparyani thank you for your confidence. The problem with speaking an unpopular opinion is then handling the fall out. So that is something I need to be circumspect about. — Yvette 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I'm curious. Have the numbers of banned reviewers gotten back to the levels of last year? I guess the changes made by the CM team are in place by now? — Trilarion 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@adiga Exactly 0 seconds. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
See the spreadsheet. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@adiga why should there be a limit? — Patrice 20 secs ago
 
12:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Thompson
I appreciate the calibre of your nomination, you seem so successful employing 100 employees and I can see being a mod would add to your business similar to MS Regional Directors. Why don't you want to run/build up your business at VP level instead of spending your spare time helping out here for free? You mentioned you're the only IT guy too so I don't see any monetary/business incentive, do you have a cash cow and just want to hang out mod'ing here? — Jeremy Thompson 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@CodyGray I would love to have a system where people submit a question and it's automatically closed because it lacks details or something. — VLAZ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by adiga
@CodyGray I know. I'm asking OP since they think questions are being closed too fast. — adiga 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@VLAZ I do my best, but I just can't get to them all! — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthieu M.
@yivi: Been a while since I put a bounty on a question, thanks for the correction! — Matthieu M. 33 secs ago
 
1:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
Interesting to note: many questions are closed quickly because the poster posts the question and then leaves, often leaving comments asking for clarity and improvement hanging. This meta question has been asked and similarly comments and answers have been posted and left unaddressed by the OP at the time of this comment, 2 hours later. I think that the best way to avoid having your question closed is to do the opposite: to address comment concerns as soon as possible, for the OP to be an active and early participant in any discussions on their question. — DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
...As an icing on the cake, I closely followed all that Robert posted at MSE since his resignation post at MSO and suspensions were on matters totally irrelevant to any moderation duties at Stack Overflow, all were matters of opinion that happened to be disliked by particular MSE moderator or company employee. BTW you don't need to rely on my words here, as Robert is very active at MSO you can simply check everything he posted here and make your mind on how probably it would be for him to be suspended at MSE on fair, objective grounds — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Cody, I just re-checked all publicly available reinstatement procedures and, you know, suspension does not block applying (and as far as I know @RobertHarvey did that, which kinda proves my point). What is more, procedures do not require that suspension would automatically block reinstatement - per my reading company employee only needs to be aware on it and take it into account, and it remains 100% their decision whether to reinstate or not. So it was totally company employee decision to block him, and not some formal rules — gnat 1 min ago
 
1:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
At this point I agree deleting an unsuitable question as soon as is the way to go — Arghya Sadhu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@ArghyaSadhu Not deleting. That is different from closing. Closed questions are only deleted if they don't get edited to fit our requirements. — Cody Gray ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
Yeah closing and if the question is edited sufficiently then it can also be reopened — Arghya Sadhu 1 min ago
 
2:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by benc
Q: Why is this question marked as "off-topic"? — benc just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by benc
@rene: I'm confused. I understand why the queue state is expensive to retrieve, but isn't the banned-state for user inexpensive to retrieve? I can live with the state of being banned for something I did, but I think it is very distracting to have that red dot around when I can't do anything about it. — benc 18 secs ago
 
2:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
@m0sa would you care to add a status-completed please? — Luuklag 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
there is also a lot of tricks to bypass the closure like using unpopular tags and later add the relevant one or ask the question when there is not a lot of activities, etc .. question reach the bounty even without any pending close vote — Temani Afif 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
This looks to be fixed in the meanwhile. — Luuklag 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
@TemaniAfif that is gaming the system, and would always require moderator involvement. As these posters would need a warning, or possibly a suspension for such behaviour. — Luuklag 1 min ago
 
3:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Félix Gagnon-Grenier
I guess it'd be hard to prove or quite long to investigate however, wouldn't it? — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 28 secs ago
 
3:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Luuklag - A question's tag doesn't have to be changed to have a bounty opened on it. The act of the bounty being offered will present it on the front page regardless of which tags the question has. The community also can't catch every question that is out of scope before a bounty can be offered. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
3:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
What is the purpose of this tag? Why do we need it at all? — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
@FélixGagnon-Grenier well changing tags on a question is public record, so not that hard. If it was the first time someone did that a mod could issue a warning and revoke the bounty. If it happens more often, by the same user, bans would be in order. — Luuklag 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Yeah, I agree. Let's burn it instead — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Collecting even more data you don't need? — Zoe 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zero298
What about setting the close votes required back to 5 for bountied questions? I very much like 3 for regular questions, but wouldn't mind a need for increased scrutiny if a question is bountied. I hate the idea that people can "pay" to keep there question from being closed, but think needing additional votes as a "double-check" mechanism on bountied questions might make sense. — zero298 52 secs ago
 
3:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
I was reading it, it seems to be used mostly for android-notifications, but there are non android nor android-notifications questions, so merging isn't possible either. Manual clean up seems to be the best option here. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
4:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
Yes, and add C, C++, Python too — oguz ismail 27 secs ago
 
5:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
But your 2nd bullet is just as easy to gamify if you make them orthogonal. I answer, then close. Unless someone reopens it, no one else will be able to answer during the bounty so might be an easy win unless someone notices the answer and close votes from the same person — psubsee2003 1 min ago
 
5:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthieu M.
@psubsee2003: If the question stays featured, even closed, and it is legitimate, chances are that it will be re-opened. — Matthieu M. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abolfazl
I just googled for 'How to log out' of the most visited programming website! That's so ridiculous and funny at the same time! — Abolfazl 1 min ago
 
5:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blechdose
someone writes if ( x = z) in c#, which cannot compile at all and is not the topic of the answer/question. but you cannot fix it with an edit, because of those 6 characters. — Blechdose 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clash Cosmos
I don't follow. Should I delete this and ask again? — Clash Cosmos 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
You're asking this in the wrong place. — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AndrewC
Unsubscribe! Unsubscribe! I want to unsubscribe! — AndrewC 51 secs ago
 
6:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I don't know, I think "questions don't get closed quickly enough" is a pretty popular opinion on Meta. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AndrewC
@Blechdose Please read the section entitled If you disagree and want things to change...AndrewC 1 min ago
 
6:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@benc when you open that dropdown and that server call is made that hits the database anyway I think we can live with an extra few milliseconds to determine that "no review queues available" is due to being banned. This question is about the red dot and for that it doesn't matter what is expensive or not as it already is determined that per user querying of that state, banned or not, is too expensive. That is not due to the state for one user, but due to having to do that for all users, on each every page view. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@JeremyThompson - Thanks for the interest from the down under! I work a lot, but that isn't all I want to do. I am also very good at delegating. I don't want to spend all my free time trying to maximize profit, because people need to have balanced lives. Never underestimate the value of joy. Stack Overflow helped me a lot along the way in various aspects, and I enjoy giving back, helping the community, and doing what I can to ensure that it thrives. — Travis J 10 secs ago
 
7:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bergi
I agree that they should be orthogonal, but I don't think that "gameability" is relevant here. If you have "friends" to vote on your call, that's something that should be dealt with separately by a moderator. — Bergi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
You're right, I should probably have done that, but I wasn't sure my answer would be good enough, so I just decided to hope for an expert to come along and answer. I'll keep this in mind next time — user 45 secs ago
 
7:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vaccano
I agree with this, though I think that the bounty should not be refunded if closed by users. Seems harsh maybe, but it prevents any "gaming the system" shenanigans. — Vaccano 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
revisions would be a better name for the count and range search. — user4642212 50 secs ago
 
7:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 0-1
Hm. this should not come up with a result.. Negative view range. — 0-1 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I don't think this is possible with search. An alternative might be a SEDE Query if you accept that data can be up to a week old. — rene 29 secs ago
 
8:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
Your suggestion that I should have added a bounty to an existing question is valid, but I found similar questions very hard to find. Here's one that I have a link to because I answered it, and I only ever found a couple more related questions. You're absolutely right that this isn't a brand-new API (or an obscure one), but it's still hard to find questions like that, so I figured I'd make a catch-all question. — user 36 secs ago
 
8:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
Agree with @Vaccano. Someone with enough rep to put bounties on questions also has enough rep to know what's off-topic here, which means they're intentionally bountying a question they know is bad. Losing that rep would be a valuable deterrent to such bad behaviour. — Ian Kemp 37 secs ago
 
8:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vinzee
Just happened to me regularly this week and the "much longer" was accurate: takes less than 1s to load when it's a proper review and >5s when it's a test. I had 4 tests this week, and it happened the 4 times. — vinzee 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@user SEO is hard... If you believe you nailed the question you still could have marked it as duplicate or self answer like James_D suggest - making others do that work so you can collect upvotes on the question when you could have done it yourself does not reflect well on the post. — Alexei Levenkov 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Note that if you are confident that you nailed the SEO for the question initial downvotes for "no research" don't really matter... (whether it aligns with SO goals of upvotes or not). — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
8:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vinzee
Yes, thank you, the keyword I was missing was "migration". Too bad it did not appear in any of the already asked questions nor while searching on google.. ^^ — vinzee 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian
What would you guys think about a queryString param for URL-encoded source code, i.e. &code=import%20'package%3Aflutter%2Fmaterial.dart'%3B... to populate editor onload? I think the reliance on gist is the only real speed bump here. — Christian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
What about only getting half of the bounty (back or awarded) if the question got closed? Wouldn't that greatly reduce an incentive to cheat? — Trilarion 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidW
Is there anything to be said for just removing bounties from the site completely? Self-bounties are pretty "overpowered" since the rep-recalculation. And the general quality of bountied questions honestly isn't that great - it isn't universal but there's often a reason that nobody answered it originally. — DavidW 15 secs ago
 
 
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10:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Burnination could be a whole lot easier, but it's been tied to the notion of "if you clean up one thing, you're responsible for cleaning up everything," which makes otherwise routine burninations of worthless flags an excruciating process. I'm in the "incremental improvements are still improvements" camp. If we had a Trogdor button, those posts could be sent into one of the queues for review, as bad tags are almost always an indicator of other problems with the posts so tagged. But those other problems should not prevent tags from being summarily dispatched. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
 
11:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christopher Moore
@SamuelLiew I am in the same situation that zack105 was in. After looking over the review I got banned for and reading the many SO Meta posts regarding "Require Editing", it's pretty clear to me that it can be interpreted as "If I could edit/improve this post without the OP". Definitely won't be doing that in the future. Also, I was trying to go through my review history to see if I did similar errors in the past and on my first ban, but I was unable to figure out how. Is there a way to do that while I'm still banned? I would really like to get back to reviewing. — Christopher Moore 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RedBrogdon
We've thought about it, but URLs have length limits, which would in turn restrict the length of code snippets that could be loaded that way. — RedBrogdon 1 min ago
 
11:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonah Williams
Could we set up some sort of postMessage based API? I think that works cross-domain — Jonah Williams 33 secs ago
 

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