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12:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Burn out is something I worry about a lot for myself. Somehow, it’s easier when you have the privileges to actually make a difference. I would love to improve the wording around the close reasons; I’ve been planning that for a while, but I’ve just been crazy busy with work, and that shows no sign if letting up. Mod election results notwithstanding, if you want to workshop on that at any time with me, and especially take the lead on getting buy-in from the larger community, you’re more than welcome to reach out to me, Travis. — Cody Gray ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I wasn't able to duplicate this on my Mac. I'll have access to a Windows machine later (today hopefully) and see if I can reproduce in Edge. Also, anyone should feel free to edit my answer in an attempt to reproduce. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I hate false kindness as much or more than anyone, so I know what you mean. However, there’s nothing wrong with Tschallacka’s proposed wording. While you may not need or appreciate the lead-in and empathy, @Andreas, most users do, and empirical evidence suggests that this approach works much better to enact change. Furthermore, mods have templates for most of these things. The most important thing for an individual mod is to add more details about the specific situation. I think Tschallaka would be able to do that. See also: meta.stackexchange.com/a/336550Cody Gray ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I have been a huge fan of your work in SOCVR, and I’ve been thinking for the past several weeks that you’d make a great moderator. In general, I have no objection to your stance of deleting more content. I ran on a similar platform, and I continue to practice it daily. I’m all for deleting low-quality content. However, years back, we had some in-fighting between two sects: those who wanted to preserve old content that is now regarded as off-topic, and those who thought it should be preserved. The historical lock was introduced as a compromise. Which side do you fall on, and why? — Cody Gray ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
A week later (forgot to follow the answer): @CodyGray - can gas be renamed to gnu-assembler as proposed before (you said that is a possibility earlier) and, judgment of solomon-style, gas not to be made a synonym of either? It can be done that way, right? Those who are new can't create tags, and a person established enough to do so will likely check what happened to gas and find out that it is named gnu-assembler. What do you think? — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is fine if you want to test something specifically here. I do appreciate that you aren’t bumping posts uselessly. But in case you’re not aware, there is a formatting sandbox on MSE, which should be good enough for this, since this formatting code is shared across all sites. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@CodyGray The middle, as always. If the content was useful back then, but it isn't any more, then applying a historical lock is a very good idea. Languages evolve, as well as this website. However, plenty of old content can be safely removed without anybody missing it. e.g. I would not mind seeing this post go, it has almost no useful information now, and it had very little back then. We also do not need 1000 duplicates asking how to do something in a deprecated library, but it does not mean we need to delete all of them. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is not why you were suspended. The moderator who issued your suspension sent you an entire list of comments that were flagged as rude. Focusing on one irrelevant example is missing the entire point, and misleading others about how moderators decide to issue suspensions. If you want, I will reopen this and provide a more detailed and specific explanation about your case. — Cody Gray ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
As Yvette said, this should be asked as a new question here on Meta, since you’re asking about a specific event. No need to worry about it being a duplicate. At any rate, your flag was not declined by a mod. No diamond moderators were involved. You raised a flag recommending closure/migration, and that put the post in the close vote review queue. You can see it here. You can also see that 3 users voted to leave it open (i.e., not close or migrate). This is why your flag was declined. Questions that are on-topic here shouldn’t be migrated. — Cody Gray ♦ 19 secs ago
 
12:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Thanks Cody, I feel like a lot of my feedback has been heard or reviewed by the team, not sure internally who played which exact role in all of the updates. I had remembered you commenting on some of the revisions so I was under the impression you had been involved in some of the edits. Right now though, as I said a little earlier, I really do believe that overall the closure system is in a good place. Going through the tooling to see what we as a community here can do to edit those reasons or adjust the list would definitely be something I would like to workshop on at some point. — Travis J 1 min ago
 
12:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dexygen
@Cody Gray It most certainly was one of the comments in that list that occurred so it was definitely a big part of the reason, i don't understand people's lack of reading comprehension and susceptibility to the "black and white thinking" logical fallacy — Dexygen 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ken White
Questions about this site itself belong on [meta]. This site is for programming related questions. — Ken White 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Please don’t add your own book. This is a community-curated list of high-quality books, in recognition of the unfortunate fact that the vast majority of C books are filled with errors. You have a clear conflict of interest when it comes to your own book. — Cody Gray ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Szuhay
Thank you for the clarification. — Jeff Szuhay just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I’m not sure about the error you’re seeing. I can’t reproduce it, because I’m a moderator and have edit privileges on almost any post. Perhaps someone else can comment on that. — Cody Gray ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Szuhay
Just to do something simple, I added — Jeff Szuhay 8 secs ago
 
 
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2:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by allmhuran
Yes - the reason why people get "upset" at downvotes on their answers - or their questions for that matter - seems completely obvious to me. A downvote means "something about this is wrong or bad". Which means "to be right or good, something about this would have to change". OK, so what would have to change? On the other hand, an upvote is saying "this is already right or good". We don't have to be told what makes it good - the thing that makes it good is "it" per se. It's already there. — allmhuran 54 secs ago
 
3:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
I miss you so much Shoggie xoxo — Yvette 1 min ago
 
3:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@CodyGray you probably can attempt to reproduce by posting edit suggestion from incognito browser mode — gnat 2 mins ago
 
3:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
While this may be a bad idea as Cody Gray pointed out above, I don't see what's unclear about it. — pppery 59 secs ago
 
4:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
For maximum robustness, you would actually want to fetch the height of the top nav, and use that as the offset for top. (cc @DavidPostill) — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You have 10 low-score deleted questions that you may not be able to see in your question list that are contributing to your question ban: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10Cody Gray ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Any that are fixable/salvageable, you should fix. They can then be undeleted and hopefully gain a positive score. If they're not fixable (e.g., they're totally off-topic because they're not about programming), then you shouldn't waste any time with them and should just leave them undeleted. The reason why I point this out is that the question ban is based on a total quality score, which includes all of your questions, not just the visible ones. So, any of them that you can improve in any way, you should do, whether or not they've been deleted. I'll leave you to make the call. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
@CodyGray shud i undelete it? vl it fix? — Cool Cloud 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
but my 630 reputation means that i am not scamming and proving good answers? doesnt my reputation help me get out of ban? — Cool Cloud 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
My last comment is just working around what I consider to be a bug in Stack Overflow that doesn't allow you to see your own deleted questions if they're older than 60 days. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Your overall reputation does factor into it, but doesn't necessarily outweigh a large number of zero-score or negatively-scored questions. A large number of questions that are not well-received is considered to be a drain on this site's resources, and more importantly, indicative of a larger problem, perhaps that you don't understand the true purpose of this site. We are a Q&A site, aiming to create a knowledge base (like an encyclopedia), rather than a help desk. Our mission is more like Wikipedia than tech support. So, questions and answers need to be useful to other viewers, too. — Cody Gray ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
For what it's worth, you are not currently question-banned. I can see that you were last blocked 12 minutes ago. I'm not sure if that's because you reached a throttle/rate limit (users are only allowed to ask a certain number of questions within a short period of time), or if you were just on the border and you received an upvote on one of your questions within the last 12 minutes that lifted the question ban. Either way, you can post now, but you should be careful. Make sure you've read How to Ask and help center. — Cody Gray ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
hmm, so hw can i fix this :( — Cool Cloud 1 min ago
 
5:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Szuhay
@pppery It was not clear from the instructions on the page exactly who can or should add book entries to the list. — Jeff Szuhay 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ken Y-N
prprly splin wrds wd hlp. I think a lot of professionals have knee-jerk reactions to l33t spellers - I suspect your native language is not English, so we are forgiving of imperfect grammar, but not TXTSPEAK. — Ken Y-N 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@CoolCloud can you please clarify why believe there is correlation between "proving good answers" and skill to ask good questions? — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
I'd also recommend that you try to write questions in proper English e.g. "why is that" rather than "y is dat". Don't give people an excuse to downvote you if you don't have to, especially when you're on the edge of a ban. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
stackoverflow.com/help/promotion seem to be very clear to me. "Don't talk about your product / website / book / job too much." - putting your own book on clearly curated list of books is nothing short of spamming. — Alexei Levenkov 26 secs ago
 
5:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Szuhay
@AlexeiLevenkov Hmm... I did not see a link to that page on the "Definitive C Book List" page. And please help me understand what exactly is "too much" — Jeff Szuhay 38 secs ago
 
6:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
@RobertLongson yes ill keep that in mind, thank you :) — Cool Cloud just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
@CodyGray Thanks for helping out buddy :) — Cool Cloud 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cool Cloud
@KenY-N native lang is not english but ik proper english jus lazy enuf to write xd and neither do i make it more complicated to read — Cool Cloud 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
@JeffSzuhay - It's at the bottom of every stack overflow page: "Help" => "Our Model / View More" => "How to not be a spammer". There is also "Help" => "Expected Behavior": Avoid overt self-promotion...dbc 1 min ago
 
6:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@BSMP This is helping to get further in the question, because it shows a misunderstanding. You can edit whatever you want, because in my case, I do not need to save it to see the error. I can already see the error directly in the edit window. Really like "re**ad th**e" where I have excaped the stars so that you can see how it looks during edit. I will add this to the question. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@CodyGray The formatting sandbox - though a good hint - is not needed in this case, because saving the edit is not needed to see the error. We can still use it of course, and good that you raise awareness of it. I did not know about it. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I think calling it spam is inaccurate…Yes, we've rules set out in the Help Center page, which you've already been linked, regarding self-promotion. They basically boil down to: (1) you must disclose your affiliation with the linked item clearly, (2) your recommendations have to be relevant & topical, and (3) there can't be too many of them (i.e., it can't appear the primary reason you're here is to promote your stuff). Adding your book to the list doesn't necessarily violate any of those rules. It's only a problem b/c of what I mentioned: conflict of interest, given the intent of this list. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
@Andreas basically what Cody Gray said I couldn't say better. Also the reasoning behind it is to be welcoming, I applied this even before this became a thing on Stack Overflow because of the negative sentiment outside of Stack Overflow concerning Stack Overflow. By leading with understanding their side, and viewpoints, you make a large portion of reciepients of a correcting message more open to recieve it. It works with kids, and I've found that it works with adults just as well. While some people like to cut to the chase like you, most people actually need this, otherwise they feel attacked. — Tschallacka 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Hmm, I wasn't able to reproduce with Microsoft Edge 44.17763.831.0 using Microsoft EdgeHTML 18.17763. Are you using any extensions? — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Everyone standing for election and being prepared to spend a considerable part of his time here has my greatest respect. But I also have to admit that I'm still pessimistic about the future of SO. Maybe some things have improved since the fallout last year, and there have been some developments with close votes or guidance by the UI but somehow my impression is that that only underlines how futile it really is. 3 instead of 5 close votes together with a higher close voting activity means we can now close twice as many questions as before, but it's not nearly enough. Will it ever be? — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@ BSMP I am not using any extensions. — Lorenz 1 min ago
 
7:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bravemaster
What about language-agnostic tags like if-statement, for-loop, while-loop, arrays, null and hundreds of others? — bravemaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I am really glad you decided to run. I hope you will get your diamond back. You truly deserve it. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
 
8:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Reza
worked for me. thanks. the ![description][number] method does not work for me. :( — Reza 1 min ago
 
8:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
I'm not sure what value there is in editing a four-year-old, heavily-downvoted post, to fix a single grammatical error in the title while leaving several other grammatical errors intact. — F1Krazy 58 secs ago
 
8:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@DalijaPrasnikar thank you for your support, I appreciate it. — Yvette 1 min ago
 
9:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gman
To me those are all meta tags as well. array is up there in the list from the 50 question. none of those tags stand on their own. They seem to fit the definition of meta tag — gman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
Pretty sure they will be once the question is deleted — ivarni 1 min ago
 
9:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
What question about your question do you have? — BDL 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 likes many things
 
9:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Repro with no extensions Win 10 2004 19041.329, Microsoft Edge 44.19041.1.0 — Nick 6 secs ago
 
10:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Groo
Yes, I've started received claps instead of upvotes now. Apparently, that means "this answer is not useful, but thanks anyway"? — Groo 1 min ago
 
10:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I can never tell the bronze and gold badge apart. Their color looks the same to me — Dharman 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
"The request is not new, and it got strong downvotes over the years." -- could that be because the community has felt along that the idea was not in the community's best interest? "Without a third way, nothing will happen" -- and maybe this is a good thing. Perhaps nothing should happen. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
You should be open to the possibility that you do not speak for the community on this topic. — ivarni 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
My own feeling is, "meh, it's just a badge. Ignore it if you want" — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
That is why I want to go around the community. Again, This is a process question, though I understand you drop such comments. I look at it more holistically, I just do not like to say "it is just a badge" if it induces an incentive that is at least critical. But again, it is hard, but I would like to keep it as a pure process question. — Lorenz 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Can you expand on why something should be done that the community disagrees with? I expect there are cases where that is a good thing, but why should it apply here? — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
Sure, by all means. I don't think a single person should be able to force the company to go against the will of the community and that's my opinion on it. — ivarni 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
Well if there is a answer, we all shoud be fair to think about it, regardless of the issue. As a principle. Thank you (!) — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
You got my upvote, thank you for the discussion points. — Lorenz just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
You can always try tweeting about it. Just show outrage and get a lot of people to retweet. (And yes, I'm criticizing the company here). — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Skeet
@Lorenz: Could you clarify what the reason to ask the question actually is then? It certainly sounds like "I want to know what I can do if I believe I know better than the rest of the community." I'd say that's a dangerous path. — Jon Skeet 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
An incentive is an incentive. Badges are considered to be good on the whole, if you see a person with her points and her badge number, you deduce her experience. That is why such badges is critical, even if they are called with name of negative connotation. That again should be all what I should say about the contents, as this generates a duplicate of the discussion, sorry for this. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
Thank you, perhaps it is also something someone else will do later on, I do not think I am about to do such a step. This is kind of alarming to me also how the community reacts here and in the other discussions. I have already branded such badge approach as disgraceful, and yet there is no outrage on my side, just disappointment, imagine, what kind of values are shown in this discussion... — Lorenz 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
Values? This is a silly rule about a silly tag that designates some sort of silly non-achievement. To paint it as a value problem... I'm sorry, it's almost comical. If you were talking about a badge that is required to become a moderator of this site, then you'd have some sort of a point. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You told a bunch of people that their collective opinion doesn't matter to you, and you want to bypass them to force your personal preference on them no matter what they think. Honestly, how did you expect them to react? Why do you think that would get a positive reaction? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
You simply do not consider the possibilty that a hypothesis that stands against the majority, whatever it is, can be right, even though it is not likely. It is that simple, by all respect. — Lorenz 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
Ok, then it is comical to you, that is also agreed. I do not see it like you, but that is no drama. — Lorenz 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Of course it could be right. But you aren't asking us to reconsider it. You're asking how to ignore us, bypass us, go over our heads and force your pet change down our throats. That's an entirely different matter. You talk about how this shows our values, but I think it shows yours a bit more clearly. Respect is a two-way street: you have to respect the thoughts/feelings/opinions of others, too, just as you want them to respect yours. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
This is already after having discussed for some time, seeing the history of the discussion as well, and statements that say that it is "just a badge" and I am comical in taking that too serious. Because I think that could really be a part of value discussion on a bigger level, especially if no one understands why this is critical regarding general values. — Lorenz 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
"especially if no one understands why this is critical regarding general values" - I'd caution you against that line of thought. It's all too easy to dig your heels in and assume disagreement is indicative of a flaw in the other's grasp of values. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
I know what you mean, which makes it no better. I still see my action here as part of the community, and I do not want to accept why we should talk about "danger". In the end, it is a discussion, and to me, it is more important to raise this issue than to change it in the end, I know that I do not have any realistc chance. I will think about your "dangerous" answer and I should probably keep away from this dangerous thing, which would imply some critism against such words as well. — Lorenz 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
The best way to avoid revenge downvotes is to not comment. Instead, raise a flag and explain why you think the content is plagiarised and then let a moderator handle it from there. — ivarni just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
Adding irrelavant tags works on a known bad audit. But adding them to a known good audit and expecting a user who is paying attention to not fail is ridiculous. If someone is filtered on specific tags, you have to assume they are fluent in the technologies so would spot wrong tags and try to edit or flag — psubsee2003 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
On two posts you even got 3 downvotes in a very short time period, which means that more than one account is involved. I smell sock puppets. — Ivar 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, what @ivarni said. Please raise a moderator flag and let us handle it. We take plagiarism very seriously, and we appreciate all reports of it! Reporting it to a moderator will take the "heat" off of you and hopefully avoid revenge downvotes. Nevertheless, sometimes inappropriate downvotes happen, which is why we have a script that automatically detects and reverts them. I've marked this question as a duplicate of the FAQ on that. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
If the comment full! answers the question, why not write it as an answer instead of commenting? Comments are terrible for long-standing values because you can't vote on them. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dani
Yeah but sometimes SO automatically posts your answer to the comments if its short and doesn't contain any code, therefore the original poster of the question cant accept it — Dani 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No. Comments are not answers. Full stop. The length of an answer doesn't matter; if it's an answer to the question, it should be posted in the answer box. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aditya Singh
Thanks all, that helps. — Aditya Singh 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
So add a bit more explanatory text. The minimum character limit is extremely minimal. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Skeet
@Lorenz: I talk about it being a dangerous path because I don't think any one community member should be able to go over the heads of everyone else. Why do you think more attention should be paid to your views than to the views of those who disagree with you? — Jon Skeet 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@JonSkeet thank you for clarifying this, that action of yours is also important now, thank you. I believe that such a clear downvote over the years with so tiny opposition - the people who ask for a change are a tiny minority - could show a systemic problem of the meta community voting system. Up to now, I have seen just one upvote, the others are gone. Now comes the logical puzzle that I also face. What is more unlikekly: that there are only 5 people who share a not so far-fetched opinion on SO or that there is a majority of people on meta who might be wrong (not saying who is who now!)? — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Skeet
@Lorenz: I don't entirely follow, but if you're basically saying you think it's okay to ignore the community because you think there's a silent majority who would agree with you, then again I think that's dangerous. If you can't persuade the people who are actually engaged in the matter, I think you should drop it. (Note that it's not a matter of "wrong" or "right" here - it's an opinion.) — Jon Skeet 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica Good point, I showed a weak side here, and you are right, it is not about me or you being better in a moral or values sense here, it should all be about the sake itself, thank you for correcting me on this (no irony!) — Lorenz 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
There has been community manager intervention in the room, some years ago now. — Yvette 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Dani- No; A moderator might convert what has been flagged as commentary submitted as an answer to a comment but that doesn’t happen automatically. — Security Hound 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lorenz
@JonSkeet It is a small misunderstanding now, yes. I do think that the majority does not care or is against such badge change and its discussion. I do not think that my opinion does represent the majority of silent users. I think that it is just very unlikely that the point is just made or is supported by so few people in the votes, even more unlikely than that these few people might have a justified opinion against a major other opinion. Well it is hard to explain this perfectly, could be done better, it is only a logical puzzle to think of. — Lorenz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It can, actually, @SecurityHound. See, e.g., meta.stackoverflow.com/q/367433. Note that this is, as you said, in addition to manual conversion of answers to comments by a diamond moderator (generally in response to a "not an answer" flag on it). — Cody Gray ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I was clearly not aware of the 39 characters being converted to an answer, but I am hard pressed to believe, even the shortest answer is actually that small unless it actually should be commentary. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
12:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Lorenz and what amount of "support" for you would make you back up? You say you are looking to bypass the community cause you seem to think there are others like you who just don't speak up. So... how many upvotes would your proposal needs, while still being HIGHLY downvoted, for you to go "there's enough ppl supporting my view for it to make sense now"? Cause.... I feel like there is no actual number, and until you get what you're asking for, there will always be mental gymnastic to rationalize it. — Patrice 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@TemaniAfif We could probably use a new custom flag type, yes. I can't remember if that's been proposed before on Meta, or if it's just on my to-do list. However, in the meantime, rest assured that custom moderator flags never age away. So, we'll get to them eventually. — Cody Gray ♦ 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@AlonEitan hasaccepted:1 would be better as it returns the questions rather than answers — Nick 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alon Eitan
You can use the main search and include the isaccepted:1 parameter. Read hereAlon Eitan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@CodyGray we also need a better way to flag plagiarism (probably another type of flag) .. I am afraid that my [plargiarism] flags will simply age away lost in all the custom flags — Temani Afif 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alon Eitan
Good point. Thanks @Nick — Alon Eitan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Correction: "This is an easy, objective, and publicly available metric on how meta users experience this new feature". Is it not written that "In no uncertain terms, the .015% of the Stack Overflow community that is on Meta does not speak on behalf of the entire community. They speak on behalf of themselves, and we are listening, but this is not the only place we are listening to"? — Andras Deak 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
 
1:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
Just looking at the first/last couple of pages - they seem to be about Team Foundation Server... seems a bit coincidental... — Jon Clements ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Looks like tfs-2010 was nuked — Zoe 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@Andras I believe these 0.015% of the community are less than 1000 users, so they couldn't possibly cast 1000 downvotes, even if every single one downvoted. The specific post I refer to has been featured for long and thus seen exposure to many users that don't frequent meta. Of course, if SE would include user experiences, that could dispute the many votes on that meta post, but they don't. They only collect metrics regarding increasing and decreasing certain user actions, and while that is interesting, it shouldn't be a goal of itself. — Erik A 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Interesting, because other tfs tags are still fine. I wouldn't have a clue why someone would nuke tfs-2010. Sounds like a bug or accident that likely should be reverted — Erik A 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
I would say almost all are about TFS...what are the appropriate tags here? Just [tfs]? There are also [tfs-2005], [tfs-2015] and [tfs2019] (sic!), it might make sense to remove those as well, while we are at it... — janw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yeah, it is especially strange, since I merged [tfs2010] into [tfs-2010] in December of 2019. I would obviously not have done that if [tfs-2010] did not exist, so it got removed some time between now and then. (This was part of a larger clean-up of TFS version-specific tags that I did. They were all intact at that time.) — Cody Gray ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
...but I agree with @ErikA, having specific tags for TFS versions isn't a bad idea, as long as these are consistently named and used. — janw 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
It's strange that there is no edit listed in the timeline where the tag was removed. Can moderators edit tags without leaving a timeline entry? — BDL just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
This is a mistake! — Braiam 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
@Cody was just looking at the syn. page... wonder if it's possible the merge fell over and only did the remove tag part but never actually added the tag? — Jon Clements ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@BDL if they use the tag tool they can yes, or at least a CM can. — rene 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
It is suspicious that the most recent of these untagged TFS questions got posted in November 2019, but that might also just be because the 2010 version is way outdated by now and no-one asked anything about it this year — Erik A 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Jon Yeah, that's possible. I can't really think of any other explanation. I doubt a CM just got a wild hair one day and went in to delete the [tfs-*] tags. — Cody Gray ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
@BDL look at the screenshot in Martijn's recent answer: i.stack.imgur.com/MOKqM.pngJon Clements ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Braiam: I'm-a gonna delete that comment, because I can't make out if you are serious or not, yet have no stake in the affected tags. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
mumble mumble something about using database transactions mumble mumble...Jon Clements ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Excellent work. Perhaps we want to feature this somewhere, so the community can be aware that this has finally been resolved (except for the access-vba part, great work on the access tag btw). But I guess with the election featured space is tight. — Erik A 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by terdon
Bear in mind that "correct" means different things in different contexts. In the context of the SE network, the simple fact is that the only definition of "correct" is "this is what the community wants". That's just how it is. So even if the community is wrong, by some other measure, that isn't relevant. The only measure of a proposal's value that has relevance here is whether the community approves of it or not. Yes, there are huge problems with that approach but i) there are also great benefits and ii) that's the way we work. — terdon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
Can this be undone in an automated way, or do we have to go through these 562 questions and retag them manually? — janw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
If Martijn has done his job right, this doesn't need to be featured. The problem should now be resolved, and the confusion allayed. — Cody Gray ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It's probably best to tag them manually. Also gives us the change to fix issues with these posts, where applicable — Zoe 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@ErikA: exactly. And frankly, this issue has been grabbing attention for way, way too long. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
I'm thinking more: people can finally remove excel-vba etc out of their followed tags, and know why access-vba is the exception to the rule for the hopefully short time being. But I guess that's just a niche of the site and they will notice eventually. — Erik A 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
Ok, I would be glad to help, if I can. Should off-topic questions be sent to SOCVR, or just flag and pray? — janw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
The excel-vba tag is gone. See Status of removing the Excel-vba (and similar -vba) tags for what happened. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You can send a couple in, sure. Don't flood the room though. There is a reason I said 6 to 8 weeks in the question .. ;) — rene 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
Not all the untagged questions are for TFS. See e.g. stackoverflow.com/questions/52983796/… or stackoverflow.com/questions/58506656/…. Can a regular user like myself create an untagged question, or is this some reserved tag? — dbc 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@janw I would stick to existing tags for now — rene 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Should we now create a new tfs-2010 tag? It's a bit inconsistent when other tfs version have version tags and 2010 doesn't. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Voting to close as no repro because the *-vba tags have now mostly been removed, with only one left and that one being scheduled for removal (can't delete because of the answer). — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
Another question: The very first question I checked is about TFS 2012, where no tag exists. Do we do this properly and create new ones? — janw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@dbc correct. that is why I said majority in my question. As for the adding the tag yourself to a question, I just tested that: The 'untagged' tag is not allowed. This tag is for use by the system for questions that have had all other tags removed. Please use a real tag instead.rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Your answer to #6 seems quite different from the previous similar chat interactions I've witnessed. — Kevin B 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@rene: The edit history doesn't show this particular edits. — BDL 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@dbc I tried looking at the edit history as I expect the tag edit to be found there but haven't checked one today. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@dbc We could probably use one of the data dumps, but if SEDE has picked it up, there's no easy way to do it. tags being removed in the way this one was is basically the equivalent of deleting and pretending it never existed. There's no way to check it using the timeline, or revision history, or any other non-frozen (read: data dumps) data assets — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@KevinB that is how I've moderated chat, after I originally went into the JS chat room and it caused all sorts of bother, I changed how I moderated chat. I've only pulled people up where there's been huge CoC violations and after consulting mods like Madara. — Yvette 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I don't have any problem with people creating [[tag:tfs-*]] tags where appropriate, to match the existing pattern of [tfs-2015] and [tfs-2005]. But remember all the usual caveats of version-specific tags, namely that you shouldn't use them just because the asker happens to be using that version. The problem needs to be somehow specific to that version. Also, always use the "master" tag (in this case, [tfs]), never just the version-specific tag. (cc @BDL) — Cody Gray ♦ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
It has the same empty state text for all categories becase reactions are a type of vote. Maybe the tab shouldn’t be called “Votes and Reactions” then, which would incidentally resolve the overflow issue. — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by UuDdLrLrSs
@user4642212 sounds like an implementation detail leaking through. In apps I work on I probably would favor a "less is more" approach here simplify the text to something like "None" which then would work in all categories, is static, and requires little maintenance. — UuDdLrLrSs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Lorenz - are you testing if anyone notices Russel's paradox here? The due process for going against the community is winning people over. Democratic processes are not about the correctness / righteousness / wothiness of a cause - they are about reaching an acceptable solution that most can agree upon. This is by no means a perfect system, but it is more than 2 millenia old and battle-tested. If you really care about an unpopular position - rally those who think the same, gather hard data (i.e. "how many users complained about fanatic badge") - make it difficult to refuse you outright. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
Putting aside the edit contents, there are two comments on the answer complaining about the inability to edit, most recently I wanted to add my book Extreme C but it seems that the formatting is incorrect and I can't add it... from Jan 27 2020. Comments are from users with < 2000 rep. Maybe there's a real problem here? I can't reproduce it in a not-logged-in private Firefox window though. Could the problem be browser-specific? — dbc 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Dorato
@SecurityHound The comment was probably the most "let's stick to the rules" action, and I still don't really like the idea a lot. I've never used the chatroom, and probably I should start to. I don't really get what "third time" you are talking about tho — Federico Dorato 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Dorato
I will follow this suggestion if I were to end up again in this situation. I am surprised that you did not propose something like "if you question both are lacking upvote/accepted answer, there should be the possibility to flag the duplicate and to have a moderator handling it" — Federico Dorato 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I have no idea what you're talking about. For starters, it seems you're confusing comments and answers. Second, you haven't given us any context at all, so I don't know what you're referring to when you say things like, "Flask does have a manage.py." — Cody Gray ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@dbc that was about time? And then hope Jon Skeet comes by to tag it correctly ;) — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Down votes are not factually correct or incorrect. Voting is a personal choice, but usually indicates how helpful an answer is. Technical correctness is just one factor in determining how helpful an answer is, and just because an answer is technically correct doesn't mean it is also helpful or shielded from voting. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
@dbc Looks like java, datetime-conversionjanw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Now, I think I can safely say I am a bit of an expert on Flask, and manage.py is not typically found in an Flask project. If you are dealing with a Python web project and find a manage.py file, chances are you have found a Django project. This is not a blanket statement, but finding manage.py in a Flask project is rare. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Last but not least, this is essentially a duplicate of Why shouldn't I assume I know who downvoted my post?. You are attaching way too much emotion to the downvote you received. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
BTW, do we have some chatroom for this? There will probably be more questions, and this comment thread may get unwieldy. — janw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
I'm no expert on Flask. But I just want to understand one thing. This is about one vote? — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
if I am looking for a solution to a problem in React and find a POST that has absolutely nothing to do with problem in React, I can then down vote it because it is not useful to me? Really? --> yes you can. You can downvote when reaching 150Rep and you can do it for any post you want and no one will ask you why or judge your action (either good or bad faith) — Temani Afif 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica some people don't handle downvotes well, regardless of the scale. This is one of those cases - and possibly one that can't be convinced, based on two posts (the first of which was just an attempted pitchfork assembly) — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by janw
@CodyGray Re-creating the tag doesn't work: i.stack.imgur.com/XDu88.png (this question) — janw 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
@Zoe - Oh I know, I was one of those people. I was asked the very same question at some point... — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Oh, that's super weird, @janw. Something is broken here. I think rene might need to revise this into a bug report, rather than a call for cleanup. — Cody Gray ♦ 2 mins ago
 
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