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12:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
 
12:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Z Kubota
"But why? Do we really need an alternative to voting?" No, you don't need one, because you have enough rep to vote. People seem to forget what it was like to be a new user here and be completely unable to participate (except for asking questions which were highly likely to be dups due to being a newbie). I'm grasping for a comparison -- perhaps like the feeling of having your account suspended. This spawns "rep hunters." A thank-you button is like a release valve for that pent-up desire to be able to do SOMETHING on the site. — Z Kubota 32 secs ago
 
12:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Honestly, Stack doesn't do a good job of teaching this, so this isn't on you at all.. but you shouldn't use Stack for what you seem to want: learning by asking a ton of questions... For that you need a tutor. Stack is a 'ask a very high quality, specific, on topic, following guidelines questions when absolutely stuck, type of deal. — Patrice 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Title sounds like a lead in for a horror flic! — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Z Kubota
"Even if somehow this thanks feature was gigantically effective at reducing thanks comments and positively impacted voting, I'd hope you'd still refrain from pushing it through because of the simple reason that the community does not want it." That is a rather extreme and perhaps revealing statement. — Z Kubota 35 secs ago
 
1:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted question, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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2:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
Sadly, no @gustav - I was fired before I was able to implement the ideal resolution here, so at this point it's pretty much up to the mods to make do with what they have; I would dearly love to see a better outcome, but unless one of the increasingly few people with access to the necessary tools takes an interest in this it's gonna be a gruelling, manual process. — Shog9 1 min ago
 
2:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
That's... Unfortunate, @bergi. Donno how the react button is stealing focus, but hopefully that test comes to a merciful end soon and resolves the issue. — Shog9 49 secs ago
 
3:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tao
@Makyen. not an exact dupe, but the one it relates to is: Why are the chat FAQ in almost identical links different?. Good find. — tao 28 secs ago
 
3:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Neko Musume
@Dharmaraj thats kind fo obvoius if you read the original announcement post... — Neko Musume 44 secs ago
 
3:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The downvote arrow definitely implies "dislike" on Stack Overflow, so that's not different. Yes, I got confused when you related the downvote button to the middle finger. — Cody Gray ♦ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I know, isn't that weird, @Patrice? It's usually the diamond mod with the snarky one-liner! — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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5:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@CodyGray Even though a user doesn't have control over something doesn't mean they don't have an opinion about it :) — Scratte 10 secs ago
 
5:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AmerllicA
Dear @charlietfl, I apologize, excuse me for posting this question. — AmerllicA 1 min ago
 
5:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
I think answers to this question could be interesting and useful. I recall about handful different forms of civil disobedience available to moderators practiced and / or discussed during recent sad events. I think that having this discussed in questionnaire answers would help us get better prepared to handle similar difficulties in the future. Forewarned is forearmed and such — gnat 35 secs ago
 
5:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
Just a random observation; it was mentioned in the podcast with Ben Popper (Director of Content at Stack Overflow) and Paul Ford (not a Stack employee; he is on the podcast as a "friend of Stack Overflow"). Ben introduced it with a bit of fanfare, and Paul's reaction was "Finally!" As a listener, I was surprised and somewhat dismayed that neither of them seem to have heard about upvotes. — tripleee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nagaraju
I think law should be same for all rep users. If there is partiality based on high rep then low rep users will stop them from participating in meta or so — Nagaraju 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
Stack Overflow has its own image hosting (via Imgur) which doesn't suffer from random link rot, permission surprises, and obscure (lack of) reputation. — tripleee 19 secs ago
 
6:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gustav
Too bad, @Shog9. Some seem to regard retagging as a divine call. I've tried to locate some with influence on the tag system but have failed. This thread is the first I have found with a serious approach at some level. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. — Gustav 1 min ago
 
7:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@ZKubota "desire to be able to communicate gratitude/usefulness" But isn't there already the upvote button? Maybe the tooltip for the upvote button could just be extended to include thanks. I would also say that communicating gratitude and usefulness is not strictly necessary. The number of visits of a question in conjunction with a contribution's score already tells you how many people likely profited from a contribution. The number of thanks created by the new button is just another estimate of that. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by James B. Reese
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@tripleee See Yaakov Ellis's comment. The company thinks that voting and expressing thanks is not the same, i.e. there are useful contributions that aren't helpful and vice versa. One of these days, after the data analysis has happened I will ask a question about the exact nature of the difference between both. — Trilarion 52 secs ago
 
7:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
It's from 2013... — ivarni 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@ZKubota you only need 15Rep to upvote. You start at 1Rep so you only need 14Rep. Something you can easily get with the smallest effort possible: you simply do 7 edits and you are done, or one Good answer and you done too. We expect from new users few effort in order to be able to fully participate an earn privileges. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@James On a site as large as Stack Overflow, some questions are bound to slip through the cracks. I've closed that one now. Please do raise a flag if you find any other off-topic questions. We rely on users to help moderate this site. (To answer your actual question: the fact that there exist other off-topic questions does not justify your asking one.) — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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9:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Neph
@rene He hasn't answered yet, even though he was online and tbh, I don't think he will. :/ Is it possible to contact another gold badge holder to re-open my question? The "closed" info tells me to open a new question if the linked one doesn't answer it (which it doesn't), so is that okay then (adding the "this isn't a duplicate because ..." info of course)? — Neph 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Neph when did you cast that re-open vote? I can't find the review task yet, so it seems no-one looked at it so far. — rene 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@NekoMusume Shog9 was not just moderator, he was employee. He was let go as well as some other employees (some also left on their own) and that was even bigger hit, because company has lost the most valuable people that knew how sites operate and what sites need. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
 
9:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
If you haven't been down-voted into meta oblivion at least once, you haven't been participating on meta long enough :) — Lundin 1 min ago
 
10:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Turamarth
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I would guess it's in terms of the number of questions with a tag, there are more questions tagged array than cNick 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Presumably arrays simply overtook c recently. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
10:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anddero
@HereticMonkey Adding comments to JSON and HTML is often quite inconvenient, ugly and can break the code. — anddero 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anddero
@JDBstillremembersMonica Most likely scenario is when you have to include lots of boilerplate code due to using a front-end framework like angularjs. Even if your question is about 5 lines of code that would be sufficient for the readers to help, you often need to add a lot of more code to make a working snippet. — anddero 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anddero
When creating a snippet for a front-end framework like angularjs, you often need to include lots of boilerplate code for a working example that is not actually necessary for readers to understand your question. Can you select a specific section in the code to preview for readers before they actually open the entire snippet? And perhaps highlight and focus a section of code in the opened snippet? — anddero 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe For me it matters. It increases readability. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It really doesn't matter what order the tags are in though — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
What is a "language" tag and who decides that it is such a tag? — rene 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
How? If you're looking through all the tags anyway, what order they're in makes exactly 0 difference. It's still tagged C even if C is the second tag — Zoe 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@rene I would guess language tags are tags which have languages assigned... i.e. ones with something like: "Code Language (used for syntax highlighting): lang-js" at the bottom of the tag wiki page — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It's max 5 tiny pieces of information - it can't possibly take long enough to read for the order to significantly slow you down — Zoe 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe It is annoying to look through the tags. Doesn't mean I can't identify a language. These are two different things. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Nick Some non-language tags have those too, so that's not a good metric — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@rene I really don't understand what do you mean. "languages" are "programming languages" of course. What else could one mean with that? If a tag denotes a language or not, is really not worth to discussing. It is obvious. It is also obvious that an array isn't a programming language, isn't it? — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Neph
@rene Last week, after I wrote this question. I clicked it again and it said: "You already voted to re-open...". — Neph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio It's obvious to a user, you have to make it obvious to the server — Nick 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Nick Someone would need to write an algorithm then. I don't see where the problem is. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Anti-array is. If you look deep enough, you can even be a rockstar developer. Array isn't a programming language until someone decides to make a lisp-like language called "Array" — Zoe 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Someone has to go over those tags and designate them as "language" or whatever new category you want to invent. When this gets implemented we not only have to discuss tag usage / excerpt/ wiki /synonyms/ preferred highlighter but also whether it counts as a "language" and its only benefit would be "sorting" in cases where tags compete for the first spot. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe Why just leave defected features defected? Just because there is no common need to fix them? And why can't I just suggest to improve a feature? "It really doesn't matter what order the tags are in though" is your opinion. Thanks for that. But it is not mine. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio The problem is that the only real way is to manually label tags as programming languages. You can't write an algorithm because of esolangs - there's no easy definition of a programming language (and you also enter into the realm of machine learning real quick if you're planning on identifying languages, and I'd rather have other improvements to the site than a machine learning system to identify what order tags should be in). That's arguably as useless as the thanks "feature" — Zoe 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe Still don't understand why it is so complicated to classify a language. "The problem is that the only real way is to manually label tags as programming languages" - Yes, and where is the problem? A SE employee makes a list of all languages which are currently available. Then classifies the relative tags as language tags. This is what the server is evaluating based on algorithms. There is not every 5 minutes coming a new language into the game. Such task should be done easily with regard that the tags are already ordered by a criteria yet. Why not implement another criteria? — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
There are over 60 thousand tags, I fail to see how this is worth the effort of doing that — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@ "and I'd rather have other improvements to the site than a machine learning system to identify what order tags should be in" - I didn't said that this one has priority upon others. To erase this suggestion just because there are more important changes to do is not appropriate. SE should be able to set priorities as equal as for the tags. They aren't a little company without any feeling of order and accuracy. They provide platforms at which accuracy is absolutely desired and this feature would IMHO improve instead to decrease that. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Nick They are still be able to filter them after the counts of questions anyway. Where is here the difference to just add another filter criteria? — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio wiuth the amount of languages there are, it would take priority over other things, whether you want it to or not. And they are - there's so few devs on the public site that I can count them on one hand - literally. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Try implementing it then. Serious challenge - find all the language tags on SO — Zoe 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe "And they are - there's so few devs on the public site that I can count them on one hand - literally." - That is sad. But nonetheless that doesn't change anything on making suggestions to improve the site. To evaluate the priority of problems is one of their tasks or even better let the user decide to order the suggestions after their feeled priority. Just living democracy would help to solve problems. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
This isn't a democracy, and it hasn't been for years. We're lucky to get some stuff implemented at all at this point. Keep in mind that you're on the site that completely neglected feature requests for a few years — Zoe 1 min ago
 
11:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Might as well update the [go-gin] tag excerpt to be less "what it is" and more "how to use the tag", and to remove the plagiarized sentence from the wiki... — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cherona
This answer does not answer the question "how can I contact moderator" — Cherona 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe "Try implementing it then. Serious challenge - find all the language tags on SO, and see what happens when you throw new tags at it" - I don't understand what you mean with "throwing new tags at it" but it really isn't so hard to identify languages. We have when it comes up 100 main languages. Why is it so hard to identify these languages? This is a task a newbie could to at a single evening. I really can't understand you at all. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Because there's more programming languages than the "100 top frequent languages". There's apparently 60k of them. — Zoe 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
The order of tags is completely useless. The information contained in them is identical regardless of the order — Zoe 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe "We're lucky to get some stuff implemented at all at this point. Keep in mind that you're on the site that completely neglected feature requests for a few years" - That is really sad, but not subject of this question. And just because it was so doesn't mean it has to continue in that way. Also as I already said that this suggestion is not so prior to fix than anything else doesn't mean it isn't useful. It is a difference. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe I can't see how SO covers 60k different languages. I can't even see that 60k languages would even exist (without any dialects). I see it seems to be around 300: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languagesRobertS supports Monica Cellio 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Esolangs are still on-topic. Also: "The aim of this list of programming languages is to include all notable programming languages in existence," - the list doesn't include all programming languages in existence, only a subset — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Cherona You are not supposed to contact a moderator. As the answer says: "Even if you flag one of your posts for moderator attention, we cannot do anything to help you."Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe I don't see a reason nor an argumentation of mine that the feature should cover any made language with a unique tag. Also esoteric languages have one dedicated tag: [esoteric-languages], not uncountable ones. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
So basically, you want to sort some tags so you personally don't have to see language tags anywhere else than in the first position? How about a userscript instead? — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Zoe Hmmm, that would be an alternative, indeed, if it works. Thanks for the suggestion. But it is like: A: "Do you got a problem with our product?" - B: "XY" - A: "Why not change yourself so that you fit to our product?" — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 22 secs ago
 
12:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cherona
@CodyGray Why does the "Too many edits" error page say "Please contact a moderator if you require assistance."? Is it referring to assistance with the error? — Cherona 1 min ago
 
1:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
At least, do your work as moderator and actually mark the duplicate! And the question cannot be closed as a duplicate because, well, you already know why. Wait until the answer get an upvote or is accepted, and flag then. — yivi 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sathiya Kumar
This is definitely going to affect the reputation of the user who wrote an answer. Instead of pressing Up-vote (this gives 10 reputation) and people simply say Thanks/Claps that doesn't going to affect the performance of the user who wrote the answer. So day by day the users who writing answers will be reduced which will affect the growth of SO only. — Sathiya Kumar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Dorato
@yivi so not even the moderator can overcome that upvote limitation? It doesn't really make sense. At least, anyone (including a moderator) can upvote - then flag. I cannot, as there are my answers — Federico Dorato 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Anyone can upvote, if they know enough about the technology stack to ascertain the post quality, think the post if worth an upvote, wants to spend a vote, and has votes available. Moderators are not necessarily experts in the subject matter of the post they moderates. You need to wait until the votes come naturally. — yivi 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks @Cody. — yivi 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Dorato
@yivi so we don't upvote, but we remove legit answer or we edit them as we like — Federico Dorato 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@yivi Moderators are not subject to the stupid "must have an upvoted answer in order to close as duplicate" limitation. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Removing noise from a post does not require subject matter expertise. Removing duplicate content, either. Upvoting usually does, though. — yivi 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Cherona Yes, I assume that's what it is. I'm really not sure. It may be a bug, requiring that the error message updated. There is almost certainly no reason to contact a moderator when exceeding a rate limit. There's nothing moderators can do about it, either. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Federico Dorato
@yivi you are right, I didn't reflect before commenting. Still, I cannot remove that bad feeling "It should not work in this way" — Federico Dorato 54 secs ago
 
1:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@HereticMonkey Maybe because you are so bored of answering duplicates again and again (and for all foreseeable times) that this way of teaching is just not worth your time, whatever the number of upvotes or thanks you may get for it? Unfortunately you might overlook the few pearls, which do exists here and there. In a way they are collateral damage. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Remy
So much this. Despite knowing better I hope this won't get ignored this time.. — Remy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
Thanks for adding the Meta question. I was contemplating adding an upvote to one of your answers, in order to be able to start a duplicate closure process. However you asked for an upvote, and I tend not to upvote when people ask for upvotes; I was worried also that the upvote would effectively reward some post vandalism that we discourage here. So I was a bit conflicted, though I probably would have acquiesced in — halfer 10 secs ago
 
2:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@OlegValter actual disapproval may be even higher than 89% because it doesn't account for visitors having reputation between 15 and 125. All of them could vote it up but some (many? most?) didn't do that because they wanted to vote it down, not up (and were unable to because of rep requirement). It would be ironic (and probably fair) if that meta announcement had a special "thumbs down" reaction to let these readers publicly indicate their disappreciation — gnat 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JNevill
I went out looking for this meta post Q/A because for the hundredth time I've had Stack Overflow put a sarcastic sounding "Does THIS answer your question?" in my mouth. It's distastefully stated and with the push to be a more welcoming community, this verbiage should be looked at again. Why not "I think this may post may answer your question:" would make so much more sense here. It doesn't invite discourse unless it doesn't answer the question, which is good, and it doesn't come off as sarcastic/passive aggressive. — JNevill 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@gnat - probably, it is a pity there is no reliable way to know that for sure... Funny thing - despite me being very critical of the feature, it could have its place on meta sites if brought in in the same way as for Teams in a limited form to serve a purpose similar to what you described — Oleg Valter 54 secs ago
 
2:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@Yvette I believe it was Robert first of all. I was going to name another moderator who made comparable impact but after closer re-checking other resignation announcements I decided that it would be hard to tell if it was more individual or "cumulative" effect. I then recalled how it felt back then and every resignation announcement at MSO was like a sound of Judgement Day bell — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@Trilarion I apologize, I forgot to put the </sarcasm> tag on that one :). Since answering duplicates is rewarded, asking duplicates is rewarded, so finding the pearls among all those duplicates is that much harder. I agree they are collateral damage, and avoidable, if duplicates were easier to identify (before the asking) and remove (after the asking). — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Personally, I don't like these kinds of questions. They are essentially list questions, with the list being a changelog, although since Angular 2 was a rewrite of the ideas of AngularJS into a new form, it's more than that even. And then someone else will ask the same question when Angular 11 comes out in six months or whatever, and we'll be in the same place. Seems like this would be a great blog post, or a GitHub repo, that could be kept up to date by people, rather than a Stack Overflow Q&A pair. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Taking just your first example of "questions acceptable to the community," notice that the highest upvoted answer is a laundry list of items with very little descriptive text, and a "more information" link at the bottom. The accepted answer is merely an offsite link that apparently now redirects to a "What's New in Angular 9" page. All in all, a rather disappointing outcome. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@CodyGray I see what you're saying but I also feel like they're the opposites... what about combining them into one big question so you get both sides? — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
...yeah I think I missed to point that "team effect". First resignation felt like an earthquake, really, but series of next ones... it was maybe even worse. It was like, "look, there are 25 mods at SO now. Every week or two one of them resigns. This means you've got about 40 weeks until the end of the world. 38 weeks... 36 weeks... 34... etc". It was like watching a train wreck in a slow motion — gnat 29 secs ago
 
3:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁
@HereticMonkey the question can be asked to give space for updating existing answers with new versions. — Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁
@RobertHarvey about that one, even the accepted answer wasn't able to provide a one link only answer — Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
How many new version? There's a character limit for answers.... No, I would personally close such a question as too broad. If you want to know the detailed differences amongst that long of a history, do the research. If you want to share that research, there are innumerable ways of doing so outside of Stack Overflow. — Heretic Monkey 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Why should this content be on Stack Overflow? Shouldn't the developers do this already via their release notes? — Braiam 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁
@HereticMonkey assuming versions will go on forever I can see that concern yes. Yet, up to this point we have up to version 10. Do you know if more and how many will come? — Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁
@Braiam fair point. They do have some of that information in their GitHub (github.com/angular/angular/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md) but the focus is more on new features and bug fixes as opposed to new features and changes. — Tiago Martins Peres 李大仁 1 min ago
 
3:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Harpistry
Giving a thank you reaction without an upvote actually gives users who can't downvote a way to express their frustration with unhelpful answers in a relatively harmless way. It could also be used by higher rep users for frustrating but technically helpful answers. I don't think this use would do any more good to the site than the designed one, but should be considered. — Harpistry just now
 
4:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
The correct solution to this problem is to answer one of the questions, receive a single upvote, and then flag the duplicate question. What you don't do is copy and paste the exact same answer, to multiple questions, I cannot think of a single reason anyone would do that. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
4:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M--
I thought of something which wanna share here since you suggested adding reactions to questions for users without voting privilege. Why not just let them use the same voting buttons but count them differently. Instead of decreasing/increasing vote count on the post, up/downvote by newcomers can be counted towards number of thanks (or something similar). Count# can appear in the same place as this feature but it'd be still associated with voting buttons. This way, newcomers practice voting as well as being able to give feedback without commenting. Two birds, one stone. — M-- 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Depends on the context — Zoe 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica Yeah, I always ask, and can only pray the OP responds :/ — Ann Zen 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
It may take more time, but you were able to answer. Assuming there's nothing else wrong with the question (and you didn't have to do guesswork, just come up with a test dataframce to demonstrate your solution), I'd say it doesn't quite make the question non-reproducible. Might be worth just commenting and asking the OP politely to add a sample dataframe to the question. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
You should just spend your time on more deserving questions @Ann. No one is entitled to your free time. Don't do this if it's a chore. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
 
5:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
If you have all the details necessary to answer the question then you can't say it is missing reproducible example. If you have to make guesses or generalizations then it means the question should probably be closed. If the question has the details necessary, but not in a handy format then it's not worth your time. Just downvote and move on. — Dharman 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
 
6:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Dharman I've heard that a question should provide enough code so that users can simply copy-paste to reproduce the problem. — Ann Zen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
No, the code needs to clearly show the problem. Often it will not be possible to copy it and run on your machine without boilerplate, configuration or other irrelevant things which were removed from MCVE. The help page describes how to make such code. — Dharman 38 secs ago
 
6:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Note that we also have questions about brainfuck, whitespace-language, and... false-language?.. so it'd be wonderful if there's a way to find all programming languages, particularly the esoteric ones on SO... — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wim
As you have a high candidate score you have been here long enough to not remember what it was like when you started here as a user. That's a false premise, I remember what it was like as a new user. The more relevant issue is that a new user 10 years ago would have a quite different experience than a new user nowadays, as the site has changed significantly since then. — wim 1 min ago
 
7:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Could you please close the off-topic question when you remove the tags? e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/45351675/1839439 The whole reason why we have the burnination process is not to simply remove the tag, but to remove all the harm done by having this tag in the first place. — Dharman 1 min ago
 
7:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Dharman: I do when I spot them, sorry to have missed that one. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I think the better alternative would be to shut it down. — Kevin B 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I'm not "high-rep" but I have no interest in doing other people's research for them... — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
This assumes that a lot of experienced users even want to engage with those types of questions. They were made off-topic here because they attracted a lot of garbage and were very difficult to maintain. There's a lot of "I just don't want to" sentiment out there. — animuson ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Solving interesting programming problems on a piece of software I'm familiar with presents a fun challenge and sometimes a learning opportunity for me. Recommending software to people? Not so much. Participating on Software Recs just doesn't seem interesting to me, and I don't think anything but changing the subject of the site could help with that. — Erik A 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@HereticMonkey no one is asking to do other people's research, you're free to share what you know if you want to, just like you answer homework dumps here on SO ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@rene From my reading of the help center, and the answers to their meta question What is required for an answer to be high quality?, there's a lot more to it than "sharing what I know". — Heretic Monkey 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@AnnZen is "but it doesn't make me feel right that the dataframe in my answer greatly differs from the one in the question" causing you the problem? Because there is no requirement for code in answer to match code in the question... so consider not spend time on matching OP's code. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jacob G.
I hereby nominate Monica Cellio. — Jacob G. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Floern
"This election ended 10 mins ago." — Floern 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
Is there a link to the questionnaire as well? — cs95 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ChrisF
@Floern I've just raised that very issue — ChrisF ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@Jaap Comment was probably delete because you can't nominate someone else. — NathanOliver just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jaap
Or was the election ended because someone wanted to nominate Monica Celio? (comment deleted already) — Jaap 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I wonder who won? — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@Makoto That's not what I meant. Low-quality question often attract low-quality answers. — Dharman 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Close dupe (not quite which is also why I'm not hammering it shut): meta.stackoverflow.com/q/270829/1079354Makoto 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
No, that's just an acute abuse of the dupe hammer. One shouldn't be hammering questions shut just because they're being flooded with low-quality answers. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ChrisF
The election page is now open. — ChrisF ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
...and the dupe hammer isn't meant to be used for those situations, which is what I read in your second paragraph. If that's not what you intended, please do edit your question to make that more clear. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
[shrug] You can run from it, but you can't hide. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
I strongly dislike the new dupe auto-comment, by the way :p — Frédéric Hamidi 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@AlexeiLevenkov There's always "what would newbies think?". — Ann Zen 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@pppery, of course, but it's just not the same. — Frédéric Hamidi 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
@FrédéricHamidi You can edit the auto-generated comment — pppery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
1. Questions on most SE sites are not like solving puzzles, and are not "interesting" in that way. 2. I'd guess over 90% of questions on SO are not like that either. 3. A long-lasting library of good questions and answers can and is being built; the requests are not usually for super-niche software (which likely hasn't been written by anyone). 4. The voting is not important on SR.SX unless there are multiple questions which offer different pieces of software. 5. Anyway, this has all been decided when that site went out of beta. But having said that... — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@animuson: Well, I don't know about the past, but from what I can tell, there's not "a lot of garbage" there now, while SO is swamped with "garbage". — einpoklum 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Is there a doctor in the house? The election is showing up three times in the "Upcoming Events" sidebar. — Robert Harvey 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@ChrisF, three times, apparently. Maybe these automatic announcement posts are not such a good idea after all... — Frédéric Hamidi 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
Your last point is interesting. I've wondered about that myself. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
you can also nominate yourself for the 2020 moderator election and get elected: problem solved — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
It's all the same link. — Robert Harvey just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@Axeman, but the one that says the elections end on Jul 28th leads to a page that says July 21st... Seriously, how do you screw that up? — Frédéric Hamidi 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@HereticMonkey: SR.SE is not about doing research for others, it's about sharing what you already know. The amount of effort to give a basic decent answer a question there is much lower than on SO. Of course, you often just don't know a relevant piece of software and then nobody expects you to go looking. — einpoklum 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
It's one thing to say that one is not interested in some other stack exchange site and another to say it should be shut down. That might be a different question. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Axeman
With different end dates, even. — Axeman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
@einpoklum That it isn't there now is only a side-effect of it being a lesser-known site and people would rather try their luck at Stack Overflow. Doesn't mean the idea would effectively work if it got a huge influx in askers. But as I said, most experienced users have already gotten a lot of headache from these questions in the past and have no interest in giving it another try. — animuson ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I find it an incredibly delicious irony that the Community Wiki system decided to make me the defacto author of this post. — Robert Harvey 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
@Robert, so I cannot vote three times? Color me disappointed. — Frédéric Hamidi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@AndrasDeak: Most likely. — Robert Harvey 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
But... Where is the page where I can vote anyway ? — TGrif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@RobertHarvey so it was your fault... — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@Trilarion I included the last part because op asks how to move resources from SO to SR (expert time is limited). I have no problem with the existence of the site, but I don't like to actively encouraging SO user to spend time there. I guess I should have written that more clearly. — BDL 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@animuson: To be more concrete - have you looked at a sample of questions, say, on software related to HTML editing, CSS editing/previewing, browser-like apps etc. , on SR.SX recently? Or - are you generalizing from past experience on SO? — einpoklum 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@Trilarion: Maybe you can check my edit to see if my points is now better covered. — BDL 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It was started three times to test who would post on Meta about it. You won. — rene 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shadow Wizard is Ear For You
@rene I object. I won! :D — Shadow Wizard is Ear For You 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
the problem is not closing the question faster but rather delete them later. We can let people answer and interact with such question BUT we need to make sure they are deleted later which is not happening even with very low quality questions. We need a delete vote queue! — Temani Afif 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
we need more moderators, so instead of increasing the number, they are running 3 elections at the same time — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TGrif
This new election is so fun! — TGrif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@TemaniAfif Where can I find the feature request for it? I would like to upvote it. — Dharman 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Hamidi
The first try at the election ended prematurely after 10 minutes with no victor. Looks like attempts to restart it have resulted in duplicate, spurious announcement posts (but I'm still waiting for my duplicate, spurious Caucus badges). — Frédéric Hamidi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@SamuelLiew: It didn't work. You have to throw this switch. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by m4n0
Now you have the answer for "How StackOverflow hires engineers" — m4n0 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
someone need to request it, I don't think there is already a question about ... I suggest this at different places (like here for example: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/394607/8620333) and I will keep doing .. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
In my comment above, item (4.), s/multiple questions/multiple answers. Also, @BDL, I think you are not actually aware of what kind of questions get asked there. And - tools and libraries don't change that frequently; and when they do change - new answers are given, or the old tool's homepage suggests trying something else. — einpoklum 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Celius Stingher
Can downvoters please help me understand why is this question innapropiate, I'm new to meta and didn't find much information on how to ask or what's the correct type of questions for this community — Celius Stingher 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
not that week-end is not the same for all the countries around the world (you may get surprised but it's true), let's not forget the different Time Zone — Temani Afif 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
update your Q ... define SME — toolic 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
downvotes on meta == we don't agree with your request — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by akuzminykh
I think additional badges like that are kinda over-the-top. It's not like anyone is forced to do stuff on weekends. This is kinda an analogy to the new "Thanks"-feature. — akuzminykh 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
You may want to re-read info on "feature-request" tag - meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/feature-request/info - you put on the post... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
I strongly suspect an association with We <3 people who code, on the front page. This post also has 3 downvotes at the time of this comment. The number 3 keeps popping up! This can't be a coincidence. — Erik A 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Celius Stingher
@akuzminykh While I agree nobody is forced to do anything on weekends, there is a diffrence in the amount and speed of contributions, and some people might be facing tight deadlines, let alone learning, and can't dedicate much time during the week, making it extra valuable for them to receive this help, in comparison to weekday contributions. Therefore, praising this contributors over the regular weekday ones. — Celius Stingher 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Turamarth
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Taking some major umbrage to "tight deadlines" - we're not the world's help desk; we're volunteers. It's unfortunate that someone has an issue that they must solve with haste over the weekend, but it's not really our role to "fix" that or bridge a gap. If anything, the gap lies with something we probably can't even tough (cultural, political, or skill-grade issues). — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Celius Stingher
Thanks for your quick reply. I'm getting there (site analytics) :) Contributing as much as possible — Celius Stingher 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Celius Stingher
I understand and wouldn't want you to think its disqualifying or anything. I have been in this kind of unfortunate situations, which and the extra help I received from SO community was amazing and something that made me proud of. We're volunteers, I agree, but when someone is in a tight situation and I can help and make it easier for that person I'm very happy to belong to this community and help them. — Celius Stingher 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rsjaffe
@CeliusStingher Downvotes on meta don't affect you at all, and are being used to vote on the usefulness of the suggestion. I admit that it is surprising the first time you post and get downvoted liberally, but don't worry about it causing any problems with being able to post again. — rsjaffe 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Well @CeliusStingher, you do you. I'm cool with you helping out over the weekends. But I would strongly caution you to slow down your zeal; you can get burnt out trying to help everyone do everything all at once. — Makoto just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
I just checked the SR.se front page. I think it suffers from the same issue all SEs do: the front page is full of boring, quotidian questions. This is as true of my “home” site, EL&U, as it is of SR.se, as it is of SO. So it’s not a unique situation. However, for those who try dipping their toes into SR.se, as I just did, it might be discouraging. Maybe you can create a Meta.SR thread to collect some of the most interesting Qs? And promote that somehow, eg a link here in your MSO question? Maybe just Qs focused on programming libraries? — Dan Bron 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Maxt8r
I know that users are constantly posting these questions and they get annoying Yet you offer the alternative of downvoting and closing to cure the annoyance. Isn't the CURE to just ignore the question and move on ? Wouldn't that be the NEUTRAL solution to espouse to ? Instead, you just PILE ON with a real penalty. I happen to believe every html and xml tags can be parsed with regular expressions. The form of tags is in fact defined using regular expressions. This has nothing to do with regex and html. — Maxt8r 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
in the mysql tag are more or minus the same questions as during the week, only there are less people whpo answer, but the high reps always come and see, so no simple answer is not made. — nbk 1 min ago
 
9:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cs95
Thanks for including my question (#2) without altering its language or structure - it's important people understand the intonation behind this question and answer it exactly as asked, it helps determine whether their answer will be convincing enough (for the community, and themselves). — cs95 1 min ago
 
9:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
On question 7 there is sub 1 and sub 2. but those texts didn't make it in this post. Not sure if all of them are relevant but either the texts they refer to need to be added or the 1 and 2 needs to be removed. I'm torn. I think the 2 can be left out. The 1 referred to I am not stating this promise has been kept. and I have the feeling context is lost if that doesn't get added, somehow. — rene 1 min ago
 
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