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12:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
there is no closed vote possibility for answer is given already in the answer. — nbk 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
When it comes to meta, especially with questions tagged discussion, there tends to be a lot of flexibility in what is considered duplicate. Some of that is cultural, but a lot of that is the fact there are a ton of similar-not-quite-exact-duplicates questions out there that have a lot of answers in comments. If we left them all open, it becomes an even more disjointed mess than it is now. I think this one is a little more borderline than others, probably didn't need closed in the first place but not particularly problematic that is needed reopening. It certainly wasn't blatant. — psubsee2003 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
A better solution rather than having 2 different similar posts with slightly different focus would be to edit the duplicate target to make sure the answer is clear and covers the details needed to make it a better dup target — psubsee2003 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@nbk If there's no close reason for it, then just don't close it instead of picking an inapplicable reason. — John Montgomery 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@psubsee2003 But the original duplicate was specifically about the 15-minute requirement. The new one that gnat just proposed makes more sense under your reasoning. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Okay, goodbye o/ — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
@JohnMontgomery gnat's dup is definitely better, but it also illustrates part of my point - we now have 2 complete different sets of questions and answers dealing with different aspects of accepting answers, creating a mess of difficult to find rules. I still think editing a quick blurb into the answer of the original duplicate to say something to the effect of "... and there is minimum reputation to accept an answer" would have addressed this in the beginning — psubsee2003 1 min ago
 
12:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
It's perfectly OK to use Stack Overflow without an account. Best of luck elsewhere. — Makoto 16 secs ago
 
 
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1:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charley Bodkin
I recieved this email too and I am new to answering questions. I got very scared that I did something wrong. I've probably answered less than 2 questions in 2 years, and this week I started answering like 2-3, and then I got that email. I was sort of freaked out, but then realized this was generic. — Charley Bodkin 1 min ago
 
2:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Siguza
@Andreas Sure, I don't have an issue with that, but a flat 4 sounds like a(n ever so slightly) more realistic thing to ask for at the moment. — Siguza 1 min ago
 
2:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Honey
lol. And I have been searching user:97337 [security] on Stack Overflow. — Honey 26 secs ago
 
 
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5:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
That's because there isn't any option to do so. — Robert Harvey 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
This was never very reliable. Stack Exchange has stated on a number of occasions that questions can still be answered up to 4 hours or so after they are closed, if you opened a window before the question was closed, and that this is by design.Robert Harvey just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Glassdoor kind of has this covered already, doesn't it? — Robert Harvey 10 secs ago
 
 
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8:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
@manassehkatz-Moving2Codidact “Unlike Q&A, I can't edit to see the source” — Use this SOBotics tool. — user4642212 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DA_123
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/398031/… - I can't comment as I don't have the rep, but thank you @Cody Gray — DA_123 1 min ago
 
8:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and belongs on the main site. — greg-449 1 min ago
 
9:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Curious, I was unaware this happened. Guess transparency and community involvement were never part of the moderator reinstatement process. — Erik A 18 secs ago
 
 
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10:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
Don't forget to add attribution to this (Wikipedia) table. — usr2564301 19 secs ago
 
 
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11:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
The URL shows #:~:text=4%20Answers…. Looks like an extension. — user4642212 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@user4642212 it’s a Chrome feature, actually. Google search result links include the highlight instructions. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
This was happening on my Edge as well — Ardent Coder 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@ArdentCoder yes, it’s supposed to be a proposed standard. I’m looking for the links on that. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@ArdentCoder: link added, Edge is indeed listed as supporting, with Firefox listed as 'skeptical' and Safari's stance being unclear. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
I did not want you to help me, actually I do not expect any help from meta. That was just a suggestion to improve your post, but thanks anyways :) — Ardent Coder 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
I could also understand not being notified of trivial edits (eg those less than 6 characters, as OP would not be notified either) but I assume that you’re talking about substantial edits. — Laurel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Yes, strange thing I got one notification today. I am not sure if there is a bug or glitch or an I misunderstanding how it works. — Dharman 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@ArdentCoder: I was just having a conversation on the extra bit of information you gave me, for which I was thankful. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
Feels so nice to see a diamond moderator being thankful to other users instead of censoring them out of site for commenting on posts because it is believed that if a comment adds value to a post, it should be written as a separate post. I wonder if these comments will be deleted because I chose to comment instead of writing a separate answer for Edge. — Ardent Coder 22 secs ago
 
12:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
I'd love to see you back and helping us with the flag queue. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I'm getting a strange impression that "This is not personal" is only a one-way street. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@ArdentCoder yes, the comments will be cleaned up, as they have served their purpose. I can be a little slower with doing so here because Meta isn’t as busy as the main site. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@Scratte in what way do you mean "this is not personal" - just unsure exactly which part of this you're referring to. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@ErikA I was reinstated on Pets as a moderator and not on Stack Overflow, the other moderator was not reinstated on any sites. I've reapplied again to be reinstated and will continue to do so until they reinstate me. It is unfair. — Yvette 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@SamuelLiew thanks. I'm waiting to hear from there. It's been crickets. Last time it took them months to process it, now I haven't heard anything as of yet and it's been a few weeks, as you know. If the other mods do not want me reinstated, they better cite good reasons why I'm unfit. How can I be fit to moderate on Pets and not on Stack Overflow? I can't see them reinstating me, it seems clear the team doesn't want me back. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
Sure. They have served their purpose in addition to something which you may not be aware of. This was another one of my experiments and thanks for your unknowing cooperation. Now these comments are conversational and feel free to clean them up. — Ardent Coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@Yvette Now I'm even more confused, since afaict there's nothing site-specific in the reinstatement process. Apparently SE did think you were fit to be a moderator else they wouldn't have reinstated you on Pets. I'd certainly like having you as a mod again, appreciated your different viewpoint on some of the meta issues and I think that's a great thing to have. — Erik A 1 min ago
 
1:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BartoszKP
"Users don't need mods to get answers." They do. Without the mods the would need to dig through a pile of cr... unhelpful stuff to find these answers. Great that you know the history of Usenet, but please don't stop there and see what happens usually with places without moderation. — BartoszKP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is downhausted
I can't count the number of times you say "mob". You're treating moderation actions like an offence to your own integrity, which is quite unreasonable. Moreover, as part of the welcoming initiative, I'm fine with people who don't appreciate a well moderated site to say goodbye. Those are usually the first to provide an unpleasant environment here. — E_net4 is downhausted 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Downvoting and closing questions is not a crime. The UN have no jurisdiction over this website, and even if they did, I doubt they would care. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I wish I could up vote this million times. Moderators have been elected by community. The ones that stepped down did that as form of protest, not because they were at fault. They should be able to get their moderator privileges back, if they want to without going through any kind of reinstatement process. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is downhausted
In these times, when the site is lacking moderators, it feels like a very poor move to hold back on moderator reinstatement. — E_net4 is downhausted 47 secs ago
 
1:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
I can just go through quickly and remove them all, and make sure they have the hms tag. — S.S. Anne 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Yvette Mistakes (if any) made by a community member seem to be a personal mistake with personal consequences. It doesn't seem to be so if the mistake is made by individuals that is.. well.. "not part of the community"?. Also, the reinstatement process seems very odd, since I assume votes to reinstate suddenly have a lot of weight, depending on the vote type itself. I get the impression there are veto-rights, which make just one vote decide the outcome. If this is the case, the process is now rigged and includes a warning to anyone who dare say "Stop! This is all wrong!". — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
I got rid of all these tags and double-checked that the questions already had huawei-mobile-services. There's a very slim chance that this is a voting ring but I view it as unlikely, it seems that the tag is just small. — S.S. Anne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
Thanks to all for your support. I won't reply individually to everyone. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@Scratte ah, thanks for the clarity. Yes, potentially one person, either an employee or moderator has veto rights. So, even without breaking the code of conduct, we can be vetoed. Insanity and feels like betrayal. It's hard work being elected as a mod and not everyone like every mod, but face it, a lot of people vote for those mods, so there's a reason they're elected. Not to mention I handled 75,000 flags and the thank you I get it, reapply again later. Well I have reapplied later and am waiting. — Yvette 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
This is just a troll post. — Robert Harvey 32 secs ago
 
2:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
I think it is not true, because most of the system (rep, badges, meta, etc) seems explicitly tuned to cause addiction. From the moment that the company uses our instincts to produce content for them, it is not only about the content, but also about our instincts. (Btw, I did not vote your post down, if it matters :-| ) — peterh - Reinstate Monica 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@S.S.Anne If you do that, then use [huawei-mobile-services] rather than [hms]. But I was thinking that a more 'formal' process could prevent such tags being re-created in the future. (And moderators have so little to do these days, you'd be depriving one of their fun!) — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
 
3:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
I think it is not true, because most of the system (rep, badges, meta, etc) seems to be explicitly tuned to cause addiction. From the moment that the company uses our instincts to let us to produce content for them, it is not only about the content, but also about our instincts. (Btw, I did not vote your post down, if it matters :-| ) — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
 
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4:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Use "uBlock Origin". — Scratte 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
 
4:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kartik Ayyar
This is a hack rather than a real option to fix it. This feels like a very user hostile feature. — Kartik Ayyar 1 min ago
 
5:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Justin Liu
It has 2 comments now. — Justin Liu 1 min ago
 
5:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
Shouldn’t this have been reported on MSE? — user4642212 35 secs ago
 
6:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@user4642212 ohhh hadn't noticed. But indeed, the other post doesn't mention the occurrence in "Next privilege". Mods feel free to migrate and convert to answer if you prefer. Or leave it on MSO as a signpost to prevent duplicates. — bad_coder 1 min ago
 
7:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
That depends, when it is client side, you must search all the code that is downloaded but if it comes from the servber you can't figure its out.The popup is created by the server code and transmitted to your browser. I tried searching on a website which realy was anoying and i searched all the code jscode that was downloaded, but couldn't find any hint of the code, but after reading about nodejs and angularjs i am convinced that is on the sever side and therefore i can not filter it. — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I doubt it is a hard question but you made it into a guessing game. It is impossible to reverse engineer code we don't have access to. Once this one is answered it is unclear who will benefit from that answer except you. Users that know the answer probably will spend their time on questions that have a bit practical use for future visitors. Also worth noting that it is weekend for most users. "Hard" questions often need patience as well. — rene 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shui
The client side need to insert the DIV to the client browser, so even the content is created on the server side, it'll go through some code on the client. So it should be possible to catch on the client side if there are APIs to set breakpoints dynamically. — Shui 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I can confirm that the score is wrong even after 24h. I asked a similar question that I deleted (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/398013/…) and I followed the score of that user and still no update of many of them. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shui
How did I make it into a guessing game? — Shui 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
Is your self-esteem not automatically linked to (1) being able to search before you ask?; (2) being able to read the introductory tour when signing up, and browse the Help center before asking?; (3) being able to provide a Minimal Runnable Example, with a clear problem statement? Or are your (and others' like you) feelings incredibly hurt when you are asked for this? — usr2564301 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
There are several ways to achieve what you see in that screenshot. How do you expect anyone to tell which one it is if we don't have access to that site or a code example that mimics that behavior. We can only take a guess. And that is not what debugging is about. The answers you get will probably be useless or open doors. — rene 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zero298
Nothing should get in the way of voting and making comments mandatory opens you up to revenge down votes. This isn't a site to teach you to program, it's for helping you solve a programming problem. — zero298 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
"If the malicious downvote and close persist..." -- and there's your problem -- you're taking the votes personally. Understand that site members don't vote based on newbie or on poster but based on question quality only, and that is as it should be. If a newbie finds that their questions are not felt to meet site standards, they should hopefully study the subject of how to ask a good high-quality question and improve what they post. If they can't do this, then they should hold off asking questions until they do. — DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shui
Good point on the weekend factor. Only me benefit is a good point too, but it's not correct. I'm not asking anyone to reverse-engineer the specific site, I'm asking the method to do it. It certainly benefit anyone who do similar work. — Shui 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by houtbewerkers
I'll just say that your comments can't justify raising barriers to entry for new users. and you are rIGHT!@!!!! — houtbewerkers 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zero298
There are no barriers. It's free to sign up and you can immediately ask a question. That doesn't mean your question is appropriate for the site. — zero298 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shui
There are several ways? No, I didn't see any way. Can you list any? — Shui 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MattDMo
"Maybe let people with tag rep insta-close for the "questions asking for debugging help need code in question" reason, same as they can insta-close for duplicates?" Ha. If only... — MattDMo 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
As a long-timer lurker, I know that it is not easy to ask a well-received question on this site, and if you see my profile, you will see that I've answered some questions but have asked none. The reason for this is partly my first statement, but mostly that I get my answers from this site quickly and easily without asking a question. In fact, I will posit that the best use of this site for newbies or long-time users is to in fact, not ask a question but rather to search the site exhaustively and thereby find your answer. Only after doing this should you ask a question. — DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Maybe you can better venture into reverse engineering techniques but don't post your question on that site, it will be off-topic. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
There is no requirement to leave a comment, don't add that noise to your meta question. — rene 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You didn't find that a document.createElement() can create a div and with appendElement you can add it to the DOM and show it? Nor could you find that by means of XHR both javascript and content can be delivered to a client? You didn't find the loading of images that are generated server-side? I didn't check ServiceWorkers, maybe those can interact with the DOM as well. Several ways. — rene 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zero298
Edit 3 is explicitly against the rules as it is voting fraud. — zero298 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by m02ph3u5
Still an issue and making me skip all these. — m02ph3u5 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
And in fact, such a statement might alert the moderators to look at your Stack Overflow account and voting patterns a bit more closely. That may not have been a wise statement to make. — DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shui
What I'm after is programmingly set up a break point based on a condition that I set. So if there are several methods to generate the DIV, then I can add those methods to the condition to catch all. But since the native debugger has the ability to break on DOM manipulation, I expect I can do the same, but on the programming level. That is, I can pause the execution by specifying a condition. — Shui just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
".. not really a penalty at all" but a continuous streak of badly received posts will lead to a short, then longer — usr2564301 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
“Look at some good questions (by score). Why do you think they were highly upvoted? What differentiates them from questions that aren’t[?]” — Recent questions. There are several very old, highly upvoted, off-topic questions. — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
If there are old highly upvoted off-topic questions, ask another question here that point them out and they will likely be closed. As to a streak, you have to show signs of improvement otherwise we'll have to slow you down so that people who can ask good questions get a fair shake too. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@usr2564301 You have to show signs of improvement otherwise we'll have to slow you down so that people who can ask good questions get a fair shake too. — Robert Longson 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Columbia
Have you been banned from asking questions on the main site? — Robert Columbia 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
@Adrian They're synonyms. — S.S. Anne 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is downhausted
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter Well, considering that this question was apparently at +7 before it was migrated to Meta... — F1Krazy 1 min ago
 
8:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ronan Boiteau
@m02ph3u5 Can you send a link to a page where you still have this issue? The link from the post above looks fine for me. — Ronan Boiteau 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheWanderer
It looks like Huawei employees are doing this. A prolific HMS answerer, shirley, almost definitely works for Huawei in the HMS division. Many other users with most of their posts being related to HMS are based in or around Shenzhen, where Huawei is headquartered. — TheWanderer 1 min ago
 
9:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by m02ph3u5
Now that you mention it it's suddenly gone. Wtf? — m02ph3u5 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidPostill
Short answer: No. — DavidPostill 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
No, votes are not personal, and votes are not cast on people. Vote on content alone. — user4642212 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
I'm pretty sure you let me know when you posted this. Sorry for not getting a status tag on it. Fixed now! 😀 Thanks for asking about this. — Catija ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Spevacus
@Catija No problem, thanks for the tag! — Spevacus 53 secs ago
 
9:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@TheWanderer I did suspect some sort of synchronized activity between the users who created the tags, but you seem to have nailed it down a bit more. Is there any way a tag "blacklist" can be applied in a 'wildcard' sort of way, like to any [hms-*] tag? — Adrian Mole 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
and what do you do if, in your research for an upvote worthy post, you find absolute trash. You don't downvote it, cause your imaginary "karma" isn't balanced? — Patrice 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
You were sent a reply on May 29th... I'd kindly ask you to double check your email. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is downhausted
Indeed. 8 upvotes and 1 downvote. Incident flagged. Complaining about downvotes and close votes was bad enough. Committing vote fraud is then insult to injury. — E_net4 is downhausted 1 min ago
 
9:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheWanderer
Someone could contact Huawei. I'm not sure how receptive they'll be, though. — TheWanderer 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RedKnite
@user4642212 maybe they aren't supposed to be, but people certainly take them take them personally — RedKnite 1 min ago
 
10:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
"The purely cynical view here is that Monica was fired to drive home just how serious SO is about trans rights, and that we should take the new CoC seriously... or else." No, you can easily be more cynical than that. Example: SO is now dominated by ideological radicals that actually do not wish to tolerate differing beliefs on trans issues, even if you're willing to go quite a ways toward trying to peacefully coexist alongside people you strongly disagree with. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@SamuelLiew Why was this featured now? — jpmc26 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@Catija there is no reply. I just double checked it. — Yvette 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lasse V. Karlsen
@user4642212 Wouldn't this be much better answered by "You can't. Yet."? — Lasse V. Karlsen 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
@LasseV.Karlsen Why? What does an answer like that add that the existing answer, or the announcement that it quotes doesn’t cover? — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
I just hope we’ll get some search filter that we can negate, so I can search for ⟨interesting topic⟩ notfavoritedby:me or something to get to all the posts I haven’t followed yet. — user4642212 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette
@Catija can you check where the email was sent and resend it? I have not seen the email. I have not received an email around that date — Yvette 1 min ago
 
11:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, and they should stop. You should not contribute to this misunderstanding, and it should not inform your behavior. — Cody Gray ♦ 21 secs ago
 

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