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12:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE
@peterh: There's no way to avoid it because the users who spend significant time on meta rather than actually helping folks on the real site are exactly the ones responsible for the behaviors I'm criticizing and they're inherently over-represented on meta. — R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE 1 min ago
 
 
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3:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
The deleted answer doesn't provide attribution. There's a big difference between putting something in quote format and saying "The is a quote from [link] by Jane Doe" and just saying "Read more [here], [here]". The first is providing attribution for what is clearly not your own work. The second, which is what that user did, is plagiarism, because you are implicitly claiming the work is your own. — Makyen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Honey
I see the difference. But giving the benefit of the doubt, the author of that post, may have thought that just linking is fine. I honestly after 5 years of being on this site didn't know of that difference. The answer and community could have benefit more if the answer was just edited and if this was a repeated then yeah definitely then just delete the answer — Honey 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
A moderator will need to say if it was repeated (the user is deleted, so it's impossible to look for even non-deleted posts by that user). It rapidly becomes a significant undertaking to determine the copyright and licensing requirements for what was copied in that answer. It's really not the responsibility of anyone other than the OP to make those determinations and comply with the referencing requirements. Most of the time with plagiarized content there aren't convenient links which indicate where the OP probably got the content from, so any source others might find is just a guess. — Makyen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The onus is on you, as the author, to comply with our referencing/attribution guidelines. If you don't, then the answer will be deleted by moderators. The information is made readily available, and it's not something of our own invention. It is standard practice in academia, journalism, and everywhere else where ethical standards and copyright law are adhered to. We simply don't have any sympathy for people claiming to not know. Regarding the user account, no one knows anymore who it was because the answer was dissociated from the posting account. This was done to remove ill-gotten rep. — Cody Gray ♦ 37 secs ago
 
3:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Honey
providing a link does provide some attribution. But not enough. Moderation can be harsh and end up in deletion or it can be constructive and end up edits or commenting... — Honey 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Honey
@CodyGray "It is standard practice in academia, journalism" Precisely my point. We're neither. Given the number of rules that this site has and that the user did link them at the end. I think deleting an answer is harsh. Though users can make an edit and have the answer undeleted. — Honey 1 min ago
 
3:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Honey
If a user is providing original links then it's unfair to say "no attribution whatsover". Providing a link does provide some level of attribution. I can only admit that it's not enough. Moderation can be harsh and end up in deletion or it can be constructive and end up edits or commenting. Similar to how we want to be welcoming to new members I think this area also needs improvement. The goal of proper attribution is noble. The execution is not friendly to new users... — Honey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pratik Bhat
I support this. how to get enough attention to this thread? — Pratik Bhat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
A link is not attribution. Copying others' work is not friendly to anyone. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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6:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
I did complete all the answers, but didn't submit it, because the questions were all just meh, it seemed to have lost the fun element (tabs vs spaces, etc), which rather reflected the mood of the company towards its users. The results seem to reflect that too. — DaveyDaveDave 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What citation format is required for your manuscript? Generally, you would include the author's name, the posting date, a link to the answer (which you can obtain by clicking the "share" link), and (optionally) the title of the question to which the answer was posted. All content posted here is licensed under CC BY-SA. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@CodyGray I had a similar case yesterday. Obviously a last name is required in citation formats .... — rene 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Can you let me know if one of those queries is close to what you need because then I'm happy to add the bits to make it a good fit on your question and provide it as an answer. — rene 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
@MartinJames You are talking about rude questions, while the OP is talking about the rude comments — Leonard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
@MartinJames You are talking about rude questions, while the OP is talking about the rude comments and users on the answering side. Your statement "do you expect that I would comit suicide for offenders" is just extreme and the rest does not make sense. Seems like you are so stuck in the frame of "rude askers" that you are failing to see the rude comments and downvotes. We need to acknowledge both, not just one side. — Leonard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Let me rephrase: it is standard practice everywhere. We do do a lot of things differently here, but attribution is not one of them. As I mentioned below, links are not attribution. The links did not even mention the author's name, which is a minimum bar. Yes, the user can potentially edit their answer to comply with our requirements and then have it undeleted. But, as I said in a comment immediately above, the onus is on the author, not on moderators. Deleting an answer for failure to comply with attribution requirements is not harsh. It's the least we can do. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eklavya
@rene Both are close but I want to merged results. I actually want like the similar result as https://stackoverflow.com/users?tab=Reputation&filter=quarte‌​r I updated question. — Eklavya 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@Leonard the title describes only 'rudeness' without further qualification. Rude downvotes? It's an integer number, not abuse. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
@MartinJames So you answered without reading the entire post. You asked "How is that missing the point?", now you answered it yourself. As for downvotes, it is not an abuse but at the same time it is problematic in that it is sometimes not justified, the same goes with marking wrong duplicates which I see so often. And yes in that case it is VERY rude because you falsely took away someone's opportunity to get answers. SO needs to be modified to address those issues.å — Leonard 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonard
@MartinJames You are assuming that the resource is only limited to solve one side of the problem. Th is problematic. — Leonard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
What is wrong with it? — rene 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
@rene It shows just zero (see added screenshot), but I found a few more. — jay.sf 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
@Leonard This is not the place for extended discussion. For what it's worth, this answer covers a very concerning portion of this site's warts and is hardly getting any better. If you disagree, post your own answer or ask a new question. — E_net4 is out of comment flags just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Okay, I found the issue, the close reasons got an overhaul and that query doesn't handle that nicely. Working on a fix now — rene 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
@rene Thanks for taking a look at this! — jay.sf 1 min ago
 
7:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
How should be decided if a question has been improved? Simply editing can't be enough to remove all downvotes. those who give downvote will not revoke their downvote - Yes, because most of the time they don't even notice that the question has been edited. Especially when the edit happens later on. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
How is the system supposed to determine whether the question has improved? Are you suggesting that if someone makes any change e.g. fixes some spelling mistake then all votes should be reset including upvotes? Everyone would just add a full stop everytime they got a downvote. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
When user edit to improving the problem, SO can provide the user with an option to "reset negative vote". This option will submit this edit to the review list. If passed review, the negative vote will be reset, otherwise it will not. Limit the frequency of users using this right to avoid abuse and harassment(1 time per week) — Flithor 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
The idea that we ignore or disregard the matter of rude comments is simply false. Quite recently the company revealed their latest efforts with The Unfriendly Robot. And even before that, the Heat Detector has been very helpful in finding offensive comments to quickly flag away from the site. What you might be concerned about is comments being used to bluntly criticize posts, but that is a grey area in moderation. Better take constructive feedback for what it is. — E_net4 is out of comment flags 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
1) The options in your downvote dialog are exactly the ones from the close-vote dialog. At least duplicate is not even a valid reason to downvote. 2) Duplicate closing per-se is not a rude action. I can see your point on rude comments/answers, but please don't throw close-voting in the same pot. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
another generic query that gives stat of all users: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1237407/… .. you can easily update to get only your stat by adding a simple where hc.UserId = ..Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
The issue was introduced when the ", License: CC BY-SA X.x" note was added to the title attribute. Having anything other than just the date, specifically a string with a .length != 20, will result in the relative time not being updated. The code needs to be updated to parse the date out of the title, even with the licensing info in there (specifically, the time.length != 20 is on line 1209 of full.js). — Makyen 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
And as already pointed out by BDL, the final paragraph is conflating true rudeness with moderation actions. Providing reasons for downvoting also collides with this, and will never be mandatory. — E_net4 is out of comment flags 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
Great!!! It's working fine now. — jay.sf 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
why your query is giving me more than 4000 while this one (data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1237407/…) is giving me around 3700 ? — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jay.sf
@TemaniAfif Awsome, thanks for letting me know! — jay.sf 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@TemaniAfif that query only looks at the new close reason (ids > 100) My query also takes the previous close reasons into account. Id's 1 and 101 are the ones to be taken into account. — rene 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
Your last "Off topic" block is completely unfounded. It does not bring good light to a question to suggest that the community members are unable to think by themselves, especially since no one can read minds. Consider rolling that back for the sake of the feature request. — E_net4 is out of comment flags 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
@E_net4isoutofcommentflags It was indeed offensive, I have deleted it. But the truth is - on the Internet, many do not have the ability to think independently. — Flithor 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
You have already posted a feature request here. It doesn't sound reasonable to then assume most votes are simply bandwagon'd. — E_net4 is out of comment flags 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? Notification on edit of downvoted contentgnat 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? Notification on edit of downvoted contentgnat 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
an idea when the change from old to new was made? I guess I was not yet here because I don't remember seeing close reasons like Too localizedTemani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anatolyg
Maybe apply the same idea for close-voting too. Seems even more relevant there. — anatolyg 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
@gnat This is another solution to the same "problem". They cannot be equal. — Flithor 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
@E_net4isoutofcommentflags Based on my years of experience using Stack Overflow, once a question or suggestion is has bean questioned or downvoted, the participants tend to pick fault the question itself rather than help the questioner solve the problem or improve it. — Flithor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Ironically, the code would work as written if they just removed the || time.length != 20 from that line, except for the fact that doing so exposes an off-by-one bug in the line time = time.substr(0, 10) + "T" + time.substr(11, 10);, which should instead be time = time.substr(0, 10) + "T" + time.substr(11, 9);. That line isn't currently an issue, because restricting the length of the String to 20 means there's no additional character to be included when time.substr(11, 10) tries to use more characters than exist in the .length === 20 String. — Makyen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
 
9:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
A downvote is not rude. Full stop. Now, of course, actual rudeness is unacceptable. We have a solution for that: flags. If you see a rude comment, please flag it for moderator attention. — Cody Gray ♦ 44 secs ago
 
9:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
I welcome any reasoned rebuttals. I must admit, you are right. — Flithor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
"If you can't ask a good question, then you should not come to SO." right? — Flithor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pureferret
@CodyGray based on the (now) linked email, the people who find it welcoming as the sort who may have forgotten about SO, and then been 'welcomed back' by being reminded via email... Thats probably not common among people who would come back anyway. — Pureferret 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Flithor I wouldn't put it that way. But you should not be surprised when low-quality questions get downvotes. This is the whole point of a downvote: to signal a question that is unclear, not useful, and/or does not show research effort. — Cody Gray ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
You won't put it that way. I also admit that SO has a lot of bad quality problems. But criticizing newcomers is not a good community culture. SO has always been like this. SO community members are offen telling newcomers by action: Get out! Maybe the chat room is more suitable for newcomers.Flithor 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It has nothing to do with newcomers. There is absolutely no prejudice here against newcomers. Low-quality questions get downvoted (and should), regardless of how new the asker is to the site. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:01 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is downhausted
@Flithor It is part of a professional stance to be open to feedback and constructive criticism. This is even listed in the code of conduct, and new users are not exempt from abiding to it. If people insist on hardwiring this idea that moderation is harmful, we cannot help with that. As explained in the other answer, by letting people ask low quality questions, you would be harming the experience of thousands of users over the feelings of a single new user. — E_net4 is downhausted 1 min ago
 
11:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ch3steR
@Flithor It's not just newcomers I even saw 50K+ rep users getting downvotes and a newcomer getting 20+ ups(This question was from R tag and was even in hot network questions. It's just the community's way of telling your question/answer is lacking something. And it's useful for future readers to segregate good answer. — Ch3steR 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@Flithor 'giving downvote is much easier than talking with others' yes! You get it. Bad questions get a free downvote from the skilled and experienced engineers who give volunteer time to curation. I, for one, would be only too happy to review questions that I downvoted and were later edited. How much do you suggest I charge for reviews? I would want, at least, $100 up front, non-returnable. PayPal will do nicely, thank you. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Some meta posters have suggested review systems before, often expecting that curators to expend effort on endless, and often probably pointless, reviews for free, despite the implication that OP's are hiring the reviwers. Such suggestions are utterly ridiculous. — Martin James 1 min ago
 
11:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
While I agree with this answer, I wouldn’t mind a private review queue, that contains contributions that had been edited since I issued a vote. Keep it in this private queue for 48 hours to keep it small (or shovel the order daily). — Security Hound 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Create a [mcve] for your problem i.e. a Spring boot application that has only the necessary lines of code and structure to demonstrate the issue. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jon
@RobertLongson So you're saying you want want the entire minimal application posted into the question? — jon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
Yes, that. I solve 90% of my issues while trying to reduce my code to the smallest sample that still fails. — ivarni 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Well you might well have realised what the issue was yourself once you did that and then you'd not have posted a question at all or alternatively you'd know enough about what to search for to find an existing Q&A. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
12:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
It's a mode for foreign key behaviour. Did you google it? — philipxy 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Did you even google it? There's a mode MATCH ALL for foreign key behaviour. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Please see my edited comment, I already tried to improve it. — philipxy 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@philipxy Your tone is a little bit condescending. Could you share a link to the resource you found in your search? — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flithor
@CodyGray sure, that's right...But some downvotes are really confusing — Flithor 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@philipxy I would really appreciate you sharing some links. If you understand the topic maybe you can even write an answer. I can't find anything in Google that would explain this, but maybe I am searching for the wrong thing. — Dharman 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris K
@Braiam, you want us to do the work, all of it, then as a dupe finder are you doing all the work to find the nuances of the situation, or just accepting the results of the search engine? Works both ways. — Chris K 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I just googled & the term I'm thinking of is MATCH FULL. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@ChrisK I have no idea what you are responding to... — Braiam 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I'm wondering whether it's more or less cases of relational division, for which there is a tag, where we want rows that match all of some other rows. check if a column contains ALL the values of another column - Mysql Select values that meet different conditions on different rows?philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
This is Meta; you need to ask this on the main Stack Overflow site. You wouldn't happen to be question-banned there, would you? — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I'm wondering whether it's more or less cases of relational division, for which there is a tag, where we want rows with values that match all of some other values. (The latter given in SQL via table or literals.) check if a column contains ALL the values of another column - Mysqlphilipxy just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidPostill
@rene Do that query work correctly given that mods have a built in hammer? — DavidPostill 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Where does it say it was sent because of your recent activity on Stack Overflow? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@yivi - apologies, missed it when I copied and pasted. It's in small text at the very bottom. I'll add a screenshot because the formatting adds to the confusion. — DaveyDaveDave 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave
Glad I'm not the only one who was a bit surprised by that email. If something really did trigger it it would certainly be helpful to know what. — Dave 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I don't agree it's either "passive-aggressive" or "patronising". I don't find it either. I do find it a bit unclear, though. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Interesting, I just got a mail with the same based on recent activity with search tips, leading me to instantly permanently delete the mail and turn off tips and features mails (too bad because I like getting notified about new features). Also unsure why my recent activity would lead to me getting search tips, but at least it's not as passive-aggresive. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Owens
I received a similar, but different email about search. See meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/397896/… -- I'm not sure if they are duplicates or not. Something is up with these emails. — Thomas Owens 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@yivi Based on your recent activity, here's some help doing X out of the blue implies you're bad at X and is somewhat passive-aggressive imo. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Rereading my comment, I see some ambiguity. If you log into Chrome with a Google account, you can go to myactivity.google.com... Nothing to do with how you log into Stack Overflow. My apologies if I confused anyone, or if I only confused myself :). — Heretic Monkey 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@yivi - I mean, there are definitely more patronising ways it could have been written, and maybe I'm being over-sensitive, but as someone who makes a real effort to be polite and professional in my activities here (and everywhere), it feels a bit rude to suddenly receive an email implying that I've done something unkind without any justification or citing of what it is that I supposedly did. — DaveyDaveDave 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@ErikA There is nothing passive-aggressive in providing users with guidance, IMO. The question says the email was ill formatted and terribly confusing, I don't find that aggressive or patronising either. It's just this user's opinion. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@yivi Agree to disagree. Sending specific users a mail, and stating it's based on recent activity makes you feel singled out and approached personally, based on something you apparently need guidance with. Since this based on recent activity is terribly vague, I don't know why I got singled out for this guidance, which is, not nice, imo. — Erik A 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
To play devil's advocate, I have seen such high rep users asking blatant duplicates, so I'm happy to see them trying to help people figure out how to search on their site. Now, if the email doesn't start by saying "go to google instead" then it's probably not that helpful of an email... — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
"I opt into all of the emails"... Well, there's your problem... ;-pHeretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Why is it patronising to imply you may have done something wrong? No matter how careful and how much effort one puts, one can err. This is feedback, like votes. It pays to heed feedback, instead of getting annoyed by it. Exactly like votes. This can likely be auto-triggered by flags, and if so it makes sense that no exact example is shown. E.g. comments may have been already deleted, and it's rarely productive to tell a user "your comments under this post were deleted because of x and ". — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
Got the same email and was equally confused. What exactly am I being told? Why am I being told it? And the advert for Teams on the bottom looks like it's part of the whole email too. Bizarre. — DavidG 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
I suppose the reason I feel patronised by it is that it's (IMHO) blindingly obvious information. I'm therefore left feeling that whoever sent the email (and I understand that it might be automated) assumes I'm an idiot with no understanding of basic politeness. Clearly there's a difference of opinion here, which is to be expected, but there's some irony in a message intending to make new people feel more welcome ends up (one again) alienating a more experienced member and leaving him feeling offended. — DaveyDaveDave 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@yivi This is not because of flags, because I got this with tips for search, and there's no user is using search statements poorly flag. I could imagine getting this when asking duplicates, but I didn't. And you got this because you got multiple flags indicating your comments were not necessary is enormously more useful than _you got this based on your recent activity. While I get you sometimes don't want to point to the exact errors, if you don't leave at least a clue as to what someone did wrong but imply they did something wrong nonetheless, that's rude imo. — Erik A 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I'm sorry, but that comment shows an utter lack of imagination. I hope you do not find patronised or insulted, it's just how I feel about that comment. For me, it's obvious that you were sent a very likely automated message that could be useful for many other users for whom the guidance wouldn't be equally obvious. E.g. I find the guidance alright. So you see, blindingly obvious lies in the eye of the beholder, and sometimes it pays not to get offended too easily. I do find the message could be improved a lot, and that the Teams ad is quite confusing. — yivi 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@ErikA So what's patronizing and passive aggressive in sending you search pointers? — yivi 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@TylerH - nope. I spent quite some time checking that. It's definitely not! It's not saying "Based on what you (i.e. I) wrote", if you read the next bit, after the line, it's telling you that that's how you should write a comment asking for clarification. — DaveyDaveDave 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@DaveyDaveDave wait, so the "based on what you wrote" line is not a link? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@yivi - he explicitly said above "at least it's not as passive-aggresive". I'm not sure why you're so upset about an opinion here. I find the message passisve-aggressive, at least one other person agrees. You don't. That's fine. But perhaps suggests that the wording could be reviewed if some people find it rude. — DaveyDaveDave 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@yivi I think I can search perfectly fine, and I don't know what I did to deserve it. These "pointers" did exactly nothing to help me search better. The mail both wastes my time and implies I don't know how to search properly. That's rude imo. There are cultural differences in what is perceived rude, but in my culture, giving personalized, unsolicited, and very basic advice is just that, rude. — Erik A 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I see, so someone flagged your comment then probably, and you got this automated email as a response. I agree, this email is about as clear as mud. The blatant, completely unrelated advertisement of Teams is rather annoying, too. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mario
I'm intrigued now that they have such a mail at all. But is it truly "Tips for searching" or just a reminder that the search bar and its pointless filters exist? And isn't it most likely you just got hit by the tip algorithm, because you use Google like any sane person? — mario just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user9716869
It is funny that I received the same message today and I thought "how did they manage to detect this?". Recently, I provided a generic answer that merely quoted the documentation and thought to myself "probably, this will not be enough". Of course, the asker started asking further questions about my answer in the comments and I did my best to provide further explanations. I am still curious how exactly my behaviour was detected, as the detection was "spot on" (clearly, not always). — user9716869 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@TylerH - I guess, maybe. But as I said, my only activity for some time was a comment on a meta post about the developer survey, where I said that I didn't think the survey had any of the "fun" of previous ones. The comment's still there. If these emails are triggered by flags, surely they aren't sent based on a single user's flag? — DaveyDaveDave 1 min ago
 
1:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's just an excuse to advertise teams. — Kevin B 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Frankly, on rereading it it doesn't even look like they are telling you did anything "wrong". It's just generic guidance. "Recent activity" may be a blanket "you were active on SO". If I were to guess, I'd say this is mostly generic guidance being sent as an excuse to push Teams ads. I dislike that, because it dilutes the usefulness of the message, and the bit about "activity" further confuses the matters. I find the message poor because of the above, not because of its perceived tone. — yivi 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@yivi - absolutely, hence my question - "am I being told off?" I don't know. It kind of feels like it, although I recognise that it can be just as easily interpreted as an attempt at simple friendly advice. As Erik says though, the intrusion and waste of my time - if not the tone - are annoying. Given that I didn't opt in to such emails, I wonder if there's a GDPR issue with it. — DaveyDaveDave 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@SecurityHound I'm fairly sure this is the first email I've ever had from Stack Exchange. I guess I'll follow your lead though. — DaveyDaveDave 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
This email is an example of the reason I mark emails from Stack Exchange as spam. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
I got a search tips one and immediately unsubscribed. SE's search engine sucks so I use Google, they should fix it instead of spamming users with pointless emails like that — oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kemicofa ghost
This comes off as slightly arrogant. — kemicofa ghost 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user9716869
A side note. I do not find the content of the email offensive. However, given that this seems to be a new feature, I believe that it would be useful to (at least) make everyone aware of it in advance and explain how exactly it is meant to work. — user9716869 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
investigation in progress to find who accidentally pressed the "send" button ... — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
@user9716869 - yes, with some context about why I was being sent it, and that I wasn't being told off, it would have been far more innocuous as you (and yivi) say. — DaveyDaveDave 16 secs ago
 
2:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zero298
Quite often doing the things suggested gets you revenge downvotes and is discouraged by several meta posts that tell you to just "downvote and move on". — zero298 31 secs ago
 
2:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
You should also consider spelling out, in the email, the specific action that triggered it: ie “Because we noticed you asked a question in the last 12 months, we thought you might be interested in question-asking tips on SO...” (link to the specific question the user asked is optional). And I’d strongly recommend going beyond “considering reputation”: target users who have had poorly-received questions (definitely score < 0, maybe closer questions, maybe maybe score = 0 & no answers [not no-upvoted answers, literally no answers]). — Dan Bron 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Owens
Based on this, I closed this question as a duplicate of the linked one since it's the same campaign. But yes - being more specific about why the email was sent (what action or inaction triggered it) and taking reputation of the user into consideration would be extremely helpful. — Thomas Owens 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
I realize this conflicts with the secondary/ulterior motive of finding opportunities to promote Teams to as wide an audience as possible, and targeting struggling users probably minimizes buyers, but ... this is the choice in front of you. — Dan Bron 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joy
@DanBron - captured and bringing back to the team. Appreciate it! — Joy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DVK
There's a simple litmus test. Do research on "how many women became active SO/SE users influenced by new SE initiatives aimed at upping female participation". While at it, "how many women became active software developers explicitly influenced by new * initiatives aimed at upping female participation". Then, honestly decide if you're doing this to feel self-virtuous, or to actually achieve a real measurable positive result. — DVK 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
This would be a better email if, at the very top of the email, it include verbiage substantially similar to the second paragraph in your answer above. — Robert Harvey 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
Thanks for rereading what you wrote to us, some of us have fairly high Flair and do try hard to understand what is written and respond correctly; you've included a lot of people in your mass email who did not have this admonishment coming. --- After the repair I don't need to see the revision, write a Meta and feature it if you can't narrow your audience appropriately. --- We don't want to block important notifications. — Rob 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I wasn't aware that it was possible to revert moderator flags. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DVK
Not like any more anecdotal evidence is needed, but I have refused to take the survey this year over SE inc's overall policies and ideas, on a variety of levels. Which is just a side effect of a (what should be) far more worrisome development: I virutially stopped my SE and SO participation for that reason, AND actively worked IRL to ensure SE commercial products would not be used at workplaces where myself or people who listen to my opinions work. — DVK 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joy
@Rob - captured and being brought back to the team. Appreciate it! — Joy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joy
@RobertHarvey - captured and being brought back to the team. Appreciate it! — Joy 1 min ago
 
3:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
@Ch3steR - I'd go further. My subjective experience is that when a newcomer posts a high-quality question they are likely to get a slew of up-votes. Gee, it's almost as if the community is happy to see a newcomer that contributes good content, and doesn't have anything against the newcomer status. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@Flithor 'But some downvotes are really confusing' what about the inexplicable upvoting on really terrible questions? We should require review and explanations of those too, (actually, I can explain some of them as robo-random upvoting to cover up voting-ring and puppet fraud). — Martin James 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
" Moderators are just human beings..." 'Just' in the sense of 'merely', or in the sense of 'fair and upright'? — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
@MartinJames - Don't forget the vpvotes from those "helpful" individuals who set out to "correct" the "harm" done by others downvoting. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by desertnaut
@AdrianMole option A holds here. — desertnaut 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
I understand the intent here, but perhaps you should exclude people who have posted a significant number of answers? Or do you feel we also need educating too? And please drop the adverts for Teams on the bottom too (or at the very least, don't make them feel like part of the education) — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@DavidPostill it will record that you dupe voted having a goldbadge. The bindingreason is there. When you dupe vote "regular" questions it isn't indicated you did so as mod. I can tell if you're the only close voter put that is about it. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@ThomasOwens: These are two different emails which have two different audiences/applications. I'm not seeing this as a dupe. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Owens
@Makoto It appears that there is one educational email campaign that isn't properly targeting users based on criteria like reputation or site involvement. — Thomas Owens 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Neko Musume
SO also should add rewards similar to the Famous Question badge for questions that can answer a lot of other questions or many questions were marked as duplicate for that question. — Neko Musume 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@ThomasOwens: I don't think that reputation was even considered for these email campaigns, so it's a reach to call it "improper". — Makoto 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You searched something on SO. The SE search engine returned "0 results". The system assumes that is your fault. You need to be fixed ... ;) — rene 1 min ago
 
4:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zero298
@DavidG I have a feeling it's like those mass emails you get at work where some number of individuals have done something wrong (like people failing a security audit) and the company sends out emails to everyone so that they don't accidentally divulge who failed the audit. I understand the point of this email, but I sorely wish that Joy's second paragraph was included as pointed out by Robert. When I first read the email, I was rather frustrated. — zero298 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@DavidPostill here is a query that is the best I can do to show a diamond vote, regular vote or tag gold badge vote: data.stackexchange.com/superuser/query/1245928?UserId=337631rene 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidPostill
Neat. Thanks... — DavidPostill 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@RobertHarvey Not normally, although as OP says there was one high profile example recently where several mod flags were reverted: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/397579/…Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
I wouldn't say that answer was even close to plagiarism. It has the same final response (remove fit_intercept=False). Both are very differently written, one (notably not yours), provides a citation. IMO rejecting it as a "conflict of interest" is absolutely wrong, but I would agree with it's rejection. (Yes I know this isn't your question. That's why this isn't an answer.) — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by desertnaut
@Nick thanks. I wouldn't disagree re plagiarism. it's only that additional little thing (expressed in the comments there, not here) that possibly goes "now that I know what the answer is due to the existing accepted one, let's go and look for a different justification", which may sound kinda cheating. — desertnaut just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave
I'm amazed that "the team" didn't realize the implications of what they were sending, how it might be received and the size of the audience that would receive it. Makes me wonder if "the team" is a group without much experience actually using SO. — Dave 9 secs ago
 
5:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
Agree that "conflict of interest" is a bad reason. If i am the owner of any kind of content and someone plagiarizes that content, it should be my right to raise my objection to the plagiarism. — psubsee2003 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I ultimately removed the alt text (explained why in my edit) but also wanted to leave a note that alt text needs punctuation; otherwise screen readers will read them as a run on sentence with whatever text on the page comes after it. — BSMP 54 secs ago
 
5:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
Sincerely thank you for engaging here and answering the question. That feels like a massive step in the right direction in terms of the company's relationship with the community. — DaveyDaveDave 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveyDaveDave
I can't remember his name, but a while ago there was some guy who worked for the company and was quite active in the community, and was pretty good at this sort of targeting. I wonder what happened to him. — DaveyDaveDave 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
Eh; if this was a bus factor thing I'd have a bit of sympathy, even for the bus driver. But... I know there are folks still there who can do this sort of work in their sleep; this smells like laziness. — Shog9 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Please provide a mechanic to opt-in to these type of emails. If I continue to receive low quality emails, I will flag as spam, which means I might miss information that is important. I will never be interested in Teams, so any email that is an advert for Teams, will be flagged as spam. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Please provide an option, within the user profile, to prevent receiving these educational and promotional emails. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
6:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
It's already been asked for on twitter and got a response (from Nick saying it'll get looked into), I fail to see what bringing it here will gain — Nick 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jin
As a former member on the SO Design Team, I have to say this isn't a design issue. No designers can dress up confusing content and copywriting. — Jin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Ericson
I got this email and figured there was some mistake because I haven't answered questions on SO in ages. But it turns out I answered in November. Guess I better think twice next time. In all seriousness, "Based on what you wrote, it sounds like you need a solution for this. Is that correct?" is very confusing. It sounds like this is the question Stack Overflow is asking me, but I really can't make heads or tails of it. — Jon Ericson 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight
@Nick because Meta - not twitter - is the proper place to track SO issues. — Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@DanIsFiddlingByFirelight I didn't say it wasn't, it should have been posted here in the first place, I still fail to see what can be gained from cross posting it hereNick 1 min ago
 
6:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CodyGray "I certainly do not see why someone would find spam to be welcoming" I'm sure, phrased that way, 100% of respondents would agree. But that's a mis-framing of the issue; the emails are not spam; they're sent to registered users who are opted into emails (or have not opted out), are directly relevant to the site sending the email, the mailing list isn't shared with other parties/external companies, etc. Calling these emails spam is... highly inaccurate with regard to what spam is. tl;dr Just because you don't want to receive an email doesn't mean that email is spam. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
6:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by oguz ismail
@rene Why don't you just tell your full name? — oguz ismail 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@oguzismail because my full name doesn't matter, at least not here. — rene 1 min ago
 
7:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
There's no spam in the answer. As far as I know, there's no rule against advertising your web site in your user name. As for the answer itself, I don't know Java so I don't know if it's contributing anything, but even if it isn't that would only merit a downvote at most. — John Montgomery 53 secs ago
 
7:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Does this answer your question? Can a username be considered spam?Machavity 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@HereticMonkey Extension: also this is why the SEDE does not lock, independently with the complexity of the queries running on it. However, during their sync time (about 03:00-05:00 UTC, as I can remember), yes there are often "surprises". Obviously a continuous replication would avoid even this problem (what would be very useful on the current SEDE, too). — peterh - Reinstate Monica 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eriawan Kusumawardhono
@HereticMonkey thanks! the link you mentioned is quite the same. — Eriawan Kusumawardhono 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I think you're missing the parentheses around the date, and some periods/full stops after some of those pieces in your example. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eriawan Kusumawardhono
BTW, the website includes cc attribution, but the translation destroy the meaning of the Q n A, and the intent is totally different from the original QnA. — Eriawan Kusumawardhono 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@HereticMonkey Good point. Fixed — Machavity 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Shekey
I agree that this email goes beyond design issues, @Jin — Aaron Shekey ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
If the translations are poor quality, then that's really their problem, not ours. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
If the site properly attributes, they can do pretty much anything they want with it. It doesn't have to be Q&A. They can use the content to write a play, as an inspirational text to a brownie recipe, for a political rally, anything. Your only right is that you can request de-association, that your name and any reference to you is removed from the content. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eriawan Kusumawardhono
I understand. But the website contains questions and answers that when translated raw, it contradicts the original intent of the QnA and the links in the QnA still points back to the original SO. In some sense it may bring damages in the long run. — Eriawan Kusumawardhono 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
but yes, we're going to edit all your answers starting now :) — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-Fran&#231;ois Fabre
just got that e-mail today. Instead of creating a meta post, I just went "what the hell" and put it in the trash. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
The answer to the question I linked to mentions using the Contact Us form to report the scraper. You can also use that form to report your concerns with the translation. There's really nothing Meta regulars or even moderators can do about the site, beyond those available to individuals for the content provided by those individuals under CC-BY-SA. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eriawan Kusumawardhono
thanks! I already reported the website from the Contact Us form. — Eriawan Kusumawardhono 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I doubt a Stack Overflow employee went through and hand-drew the borders of the world's countries... or maybe they did, because they did a crap job with Hawai'i; I was born on an island they don't even show! I want my money back! — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Based on my opting out of emails I think I did the right thing. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EnlightenedFunky
How do I get out of a question, when I know nothing of coding? I mean I typically come here to ask questions. — EnlightenedFunky 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@IInspectable It's surely a significant effect and not just noise, but I still would like to see a steady decline for two consecutive years to declare it a downward trend. Maybe next year the numbers are rising again. It's not impossible. — Trilarion 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thelr
When a user first gets access to review queues, they should have a link to this guide presented to them. I've recently been suspended from reviews because of fundamentally understanding a few things that are explained VERY clearly here, but aren't intuitive. — thelr 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Nick "It's already been asked for on twitter and got a response (from Nick saying it'll get looked into)" I'm a bit confused. Is Nick looking into it? Are there two Nicks? — Trilarion 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by djsmiley2kStaysInside
but but but it might bring people 'back' to the site! and they'll become the best users ever!!!!1111oneone. — djsmiley2kStaysInside 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Trilarion Nick Craver, not me :p — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by djsmiley2kStaysInside
You know what happens when I get a email, and there's no unsubscribe link, and I didn't want/expect the email? I hit the lovely spam button, and poof, no longer my problem.... is that what they were hoping for? — djsmiley2kStaysInside 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@Michelle Items automatically go into the queue based on votes, whether they're deleted, etc. Nobody is choosing to put those specific items into the queue, the system just messes up sometimes. — John Montgomery 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michelle
@JohnMontgomery Thank you. — Michelle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think every single person that gets this type of email should use the "contact us" link to ask for clarifications about what exactly they wrote to get this email. — Scratte 50 secs ago
 
9:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
I know you're being funny, @djs - but that's not wrong. With a big enough net, you will tend to catch some specimens of every behavior imaginable and plenty you'd never have thought of. Due to how digital marketing operates, folks involved tend to get very accustom to both casting very big nets and retrieving very small success rates - but those expectations can trip you up big-time when it comes time to write for a (relatively) static audience. As always, it's important to define goals before strategies, and strategies before metrics. — Shog9 1 min ago
 
10:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Also, the link is supposed to render as a url, not code ;) (I know it's probably trying to mess up with the auto-title render, but a escape character may have the same result) — Braiam 1 min ago
 
10:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lankymart
@MarcoBoerner that in my book would not be a duplicate, unless there was a Swift specific question that dealt with the same problem. — Lankymart 6 secs ago
 
11:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Ericson
@Scratte: Please don't. It'll just make unnecessary work people people who are already overworked. :-( — Jon Ericson 1 min ago
 
11:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivanzinho
@JaneS Most of the people are biased and downvote just because they think they are always right instead of being humble enough to accept they are wrong sometimes, paradoxically, your question is a probe of that and will be one of the most popular questions so I gave you a downvote just to help a little bit. I got here looking to see if my post ranked. — Ivanzinho 1 min ago
 

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