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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@JohnMontgomery It didn't fail the second at the time of creation of this post. I believe it's since been going through the motions of the "meta" effect. It's not completely useless either in my opinion, so I'm at a 50/50 on the last point. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@Scratte Even before the meta effect it had already been closed once and downvoted multiple times, and it still only has single-digit upvotes. That's hardly overwhelming community support. As for usefulness, I don't see how you could get anything useful out of this. At best it's a duplicate of this question, so it would be closed anyway. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael - Where's Clay Shirky
@Lino Reöpen queue? — Michael - Where's Clay Shirky 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I think TL;DR should be "it is hard to say 'not showing research' to the question that has 10 page detailed self-answer, while it is pretty much guaranteed to get downvotes for 'list this for me' request"... Otherwise totally agree. — Alexei Levenkov 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco13
Consider the question stackoverflow.com/questions/22866901 : Is it too broad? Yes. Is it (indirectly) asking for off-site resources? Kind of. Is it off-topic? Probably. Is it a "good question" in the classical sense? Certainly not. But (as it was said similarly in some answers here) I think this has absolutely nothing to do with the reputation of the asker or the answerer (and I wonder why you thought that, but that's another point...) — Marco13 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@VLAZ "on-topic" is somewhat tag-specific. What if there was just stream of "can I do XXX in C++17" completely on-topic questions at that time and broad answer by Yakk was put there to serve as universal duplicate? Like "Null Reference/Pointer Exception" questions for each language... Clearly people in that tag did not find post off-topic (and note that C/C++ community put efforts into maintaining similar questions like famous "C book list" - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/355588/…) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@AlexeiLevenkov you'd notice that I've not actually argued whether the question discussed is on-topic or not. That's because I honestly cannot say. What I did do is say that self-answers are not exempt from quality requirements. I stand by that statement. If a question is self-answered but off-topic, then it should be closed. I did actually VTC one today. If a question is a self-answered and on-topic then there is no issue. Whether the specific question discussed here is on-topic or not is for others to decide. — VLAZ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Whether "What are the new features in C++17?" is off-topic or not is already discussed in meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326951/…... So as long as "New features of C++20?" question can demonstrate that it meets the same reasoning it should be fine... we just need to have answer demonstrating that list is "short" and finite (later is definitely the case as spec if fixed size :) ) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Linking to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326951/… may be useful as it exactly about on-topic-ness of "C++17 features" — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You have 17 deleted questions with low scores: (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 ... — Cody Gray ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It works fine for me... I can still read the text even with ultra dark mode enabled. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Downvoting is not an insult. No one is obligated to explain their votes (in fact, they're encouraged not to). Discussion about votes is inappropriate, especially on the main site. — Cody Gray ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
You're right, but your are missing some things. One is that at least the first and second downvote is maybe for the same persons that closed the question. Another is that average users or users with not high reputation do not tend to upvote questions that had been downvoted, and even some tend to downvote them, even without thinking about that. In most cases, question that had been initially downvoted will likely keep a negative record. — lateo96 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nalzok
@CodyGray I see. Sorry for the behavior on the main site. Can you see why this meta post is being downvoted, BTW? From my understanding, votes on the meta site is to express dis/approval of a feature request, etc, but I’m literally asking a question (how can I improve ...), not even proposing anything. This is really confusing. — nalzok 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
Even if I research and provide a decent answer I'm pretty sure that it will not been reopened. — lateo96 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
This is a bug, and it's not limited to your own questions. It affects everyone. I do not know why, or under which circumstances this bug is seen. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
Also, I already had an experience with a self-answered question about Qt6 new features that I self-answered and was closed. So thinking on that, I do not think that this answer deserves my upvote, because I don't think that it is true, based on my own experience. — lateo96 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HolyBlackCat
@lateo96 "Even if I research and provide a decent answer I'm pretty sure that it will not been reopened" You wouldn't be able to provide an answer because it's closed. But you're right that it's hard to get a question reopened; sometimes it's easier to ask a new one. If you wait a few days and ask a new question, it has a good chance to not be closed if you write a great answer (and especially if you word the question to not look off-topic: no requests for URLs, etc). — HolyBlackCat just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HolyBlackCat
@lateo96 "your are missing some things. One is that at least the first and second downvote is maybe for the same persons that closed the question" Yes, it's possible. I think I mentioned it, but maybe my wording wasn't very clear. When I said that "close votes are being used as super-downvotes", I meant that people often close-vote in addition to downvoting, when they think a simple downvote isn't enough. — HolyBlackCat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
I tried, sorry, but it was deleted. I also google about how to get the link of a deleted question but it says that I need at least 10K of reputation, sorry... :-( — lateo96 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HolyBlackCat
@lateo96 "I already had an experience with a self-answered question about Qt6 new features that I self-answered and was closed" Self-answering doesn't unconditionally make your question on-topic. It often improves how the question is received to a some degree, but if the question is blatantly off-topic, it will still be closed. Can you link to that question? — HolyBlackCat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HolyBlackCat
@lateo96 You might find it here, or in your browser history. I think you'll be able to view the question even without 10K rep since you posted it. — HolyBlackCat 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
But it was more than 60 days ago... so it is not "recent" no? — lateo96 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
There are ways... If it is important enough, you will discover them. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ken Y-N
But the banner here links to the duplicate - now I'm confused! — Ken Y-N 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
This post literally requests questions and feedback from the community. Voting to close as appearing to not seek input or discussion is preposterous. Can we please see some sort of extended term review ban for people who cast close votes here? — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HolyBlackCat
@lateo96 Yep, if it's so old, then it's not in that list. But it should still exist, so a link from your browser history would work. Though looking for it probably doesn't worth the effort. — HolyBlackCat 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Calvin Bonner
Came here to post this, glad it's already on the radar — Calvin Bonner 1 min ago
 
2:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Bennett
I love the first comment that refers to "a pretty simple CSS swap". Compared to the effort shown in the blog post: stackoverflow.blog/2020/03/31/…Steve Bennett 1 min ago
 
 
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3:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
@chris Regarding "I suspect that it's heavily related to the C++17 author seeing a lack of any such comprehensive list" the very first comment to the question posted such a list within 24 hours of the question being asked, and several other links were posted later in comments. And regardless of all that, it's absurd on its face to think that C++ 17 would have been released without a list of the new features. The OP obviously put a lot of effort into that answer, and it's beautifully presented, but it's not as though the information wasn't already available elsewhere. — skomisa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@nalzok If you are asking "how can I improve" that does not show up in the way how post is written. It reads like "those @#$@# downvote my clear and well researched question even if the rules I set for this $##$%# site include 'one must comment on downvotes'" (achieving the goal of demonstrating you are pissed off). Even ignoring that tone of the post you are still (same as on main) expected to show your research - even with SO search meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=comment+required+downvote should have given you some ideas how "require comments on downvote" post will go... — Alexei Levenkov 39 secs ago
 
3:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris
@skomisa, My mistake. I should have anticipated those comments would be there. — chris 1 min ago
 
3:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nalzok
@AlexeiLevenkov It is my mistake to assume comments are required for down/close votes, and I must admit that. I have seen many helpful moderators/users commenting (can't remember the exact words) "this post cannot be improved if OP is not made aware of the problem with their question blah blah", so I assumed this is a requirement, but TIL that it's not because people are scared of getting insulted. Well, that makes sense. However, re-read your own comment, and tell me, are you speaking in the correct tone? — nalzok 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M.M
Instance of this problem: stackoverflow.com/questions/60982340/… . Maybe it is an April Fool joke. Duplicate but you can't even see the duplicate — M.M 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nalzok
@AlexeiLevenkov That being said, always comment if you want SO to become a better place, even if that is not required. Do you really expect a question to automagically fix itself by taking downvotes? — nalzok 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
@VLAZ I played with the thought of also telling people where something is wrong, in addition to what specifically is wrong. Maybe something like an annotation system could be valuable: in the question, select some paragraph, sentence, word, variable name, or whatever, then pick one canned comment like “This part is unclear, because [… type reason here]” or “It’s unclear what the value of this variable is; please edit and include its definition” or something like that. Has something like this been suggested on Meta? — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Butko
IMO comparing to the dark theme from Dark Reader Chrome Extension both built-in dark and ultra look pretty ugly. — Oleg Butko 36 secs ago
 
4:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gman
You can not set the background of the iframe to dark by default. You'll break every example that explicitly set the color of the text to some dark color. — gman 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gman
I can't upvote this enough. I have no idea why but my eyes can't focus on the stack overflow dark mode where as both my editors and the websites I work on all support dark mode and I have no trouble focusing. — gman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@einpoklum Although you focus in early comments on this answer on meta.so knowledge in the sense of the site, the key issue of this post is that users are not exposed to the so site rules. Scratte has learned via meta.so, but the point is that so users should be appropriately exposed to so protocols without taking a meta.so route. Presumably most likely via feedback. — philipxy 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@einpoklum Although you focus in your 1st comment on this answer on SO knowledge as something learned via using the meta.SO site, the key issue of this post is that users are not exposed to the SO site rules. Scratte has learned via meta.SO, but the point is that SO users should be appropriately exposed to SO protocols without taking a meta.so route. Presumably most likely via feedback. — philipxy 50 secs ago
 
5:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@nalzok this post is a solid example why comments are pretty much pointless - people tried to point out that large portion of the question is rant/incorrect statement totally unrelated to what you claim is the point of the question ("how can I improve SO post") and yet instead of editing post to be focused on just that question you started flame in comments and essentially stated that post is exactly like you want it to be. It is somewhat tiring to see such feedback to comments... — Alexei Levenkov 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
... And no, I have zero expectation that people will fix downvoted posts - I simply don't want to see them on SO. — Alexei Levenkov 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mohit Sharma
Guys, Hi there any way I can get my account. — Mohit Sharma 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@user4642212 All I can say is that I've not seen such a suggestion. That doesn't mean it hasn't been asked for. I get what you mean, though - like the notes feature in Google Docs where users can annotate parts of the document with comments. You can certainly suggest it, if you wish - either here or maybe as a new question. I'm sure you'll get linked to a dupe if one exists. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@KenY-N doesn't happen on every question. Just on relatively few. But if you want a meta example (heh) look at this one. It's a post on Meta.SE about this same issue and it's marked as a duplicate...but the duplicate doesn't show. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
This issue has already been reported. — double-beep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mohit Sharma
Guys are there any way I can get the account back. — Mohit Sharma 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nalzok
@AlexeiLevenkov In fact, you are the first person to tell me that I need to edit this meta post to match the content with its title, and that is why I haven't edited it until now. The majority of the comments are people educating me that we are not required to explain the reason for downvotes and close votes by the guideline. Yes, I made a false assumption, a mistake, and it has been corrected by the comments above. How is that related to "started flame in comments"? That's just false accusation. — nalzok 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nalzok
@AlexeiLevenkov "I simply don't want to see them on SO." Come on, let's be realistic. This attitude is what makes SO unwelcoming. — nalzok 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dcorking
What is the best way to stop [snap] being misused if we remove the synonym? Bhargav said this when he complete the task: "I've left it with the haskell framework, as that's the one which is the most famous snap" — dcorking 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@KenY-N welp, the link I posted before is actually different to what I had in mind. This is the question I was thinking of I saw it yesterday. I just now noticed that the one I found for my previous comment is different. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Potter
I agree with this; the SO dark theme has the same problem most dark themes have; too much blue-against-black. — Jonathan Potter 1 min ago
 
6:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Valay_17
@AaronShekey Hey there, I see you made an Ultra Dark Mode but you have made it available only till 5th of April, in the Ultra Dark Mode you have kept the background pitch black whereas in the Dark Mode, it looks like a grey wash. In the Ultra Dark Mode, the pitch black can help people with OLED screens. Also a humble request for a customizable color scheme where one can select the color for links, buttons etc. Hope you take my request into consideration. — Valay_17 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
It's also partly that these incredibly broad questions are asking answerers to do an unreasonably broad amount of work to produce a comprehensive reference for someone who likely only requires a small portion of it. If you've already done the unreasonably broad amount of work to cover everyone and just want to share it, well, great. — Ryan M just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and belongs on the main site. — greg-449 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
Read my first comment - this is Meta Stack Overflow not the main site — greg-449 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luck Box
Where are all the tags that I have always used and why is stack overflow thinking this is my first post? What is going on with this site right now? — Luck Box 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
nalzok how else you call heated discussion in comments on topic absolutely not related to the question asked? Comments are expected to be used to request clarifications of the question/answer (both on main and meta). Yes, often those comments go into direction unrelated to the post - usually on meta mod (often @CodyGray, but he decided not to do it here) will come and move all comments to chat as being off-topic of the question. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
"no respect to the OP intended" - Freudian slip — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nalzok
@AlexeiLevenkov You think clarifying a false assumption in the question is "absolutely not related to the question asked"? It's not like I am trying to convince others that the guideline should be changed to encourage comments, which I agree would be off-topic. I just accepted the fact when double-beep and John Montgomery told me that both votes don't need to come with a comment. In fact, Martin James has posted some off-topic comments regarding explaining upvotes and potentially rude comments such as "You think YOU are pissed off? You have no clue.....", and guess what? He is getting upvotes! — nalzok 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chb
@CodyGray Well, I'm not sure what was done on your end, but email alerts resumed yesterday. Thanks. — chb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
An extended (and obsolete) discussion about explaining close/downvotes was moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Cody Gray ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm also going to go against the grain here and say that I think your question on the main site is fine. I do not believe it is too broad to be reasonably answered. The questions you ask, while there is technically more than one, all fall under a single umbrella and are a valid fit for our Q&A format. As such, I've re-opened the question. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Grammatically speaking, the editor was correct in changing "which" to "that". The other edits were simply incorrect. — Cody Gray ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
You might want to elaborate why we want to prevent answers: it's not because we're sadistic or anything, it's to prevent bad answers to arguably bad questions. With an open ended question like those C++ examples, any average answer is guaranteed to be too short and incomplete, and it's highly unlikely that somebody'll spontaneously come along to write an answer complete enough to do the question justice. Having such a partial answer hanging around and possibly becoming canonical is worse than not having the entire question in the first place. That's a non-issue with self-answered Qs. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Side note: community already coming together at least once on that particular "C++17 features" question - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326951/… with roughly 3:1 split favoring "on-topic". — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
And if you cheat the rules often enough, moderators will discover you. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Did you click through to the post in order to correct your mistake? — Cody Gray ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
"The point of closing a question is to prevent it from being answered" <- That's only a secondary point for questions that are off-topic. Also, what you're describing completely disregards the low-reputation users, who experience a norm which is at best inconclusive and poorly described to them and at worst unfair/discriminatory. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That's more than month long... While this click might have been accidental, a suspension that long might have been motivated by poor reviews conducted previously. — yivi 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emix
I wasn't aware I can correct my mistake. — emix 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
Also, and this addresses @deceze 's comment - you're rationalizing after the fact. If self-answered "list of things" questions can be on-topic - that needs to be made explicit, and more importantly - it needs to be clear to newbie users what they should and should not ask. So if we continue to make such exceptions, they need to know why they can't. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emix
Still a month is somewhat harsh. You can ban me for one day. I would get the message. I already feel ashamed, but still, a month? That just doesn't feel equal to the amount of time I donate to this site. — emix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Well, it seems you didn't notice the previous review bans, on March 4 for this, and then March 15 for this. You aren't alone. Plenty of people don't notice that they've been review banned because the system doesn't do a good job of letting them know. That's why moderators tend to give longer review bans, to increase the odds that you'll get the message. Furthermore, the duration automatically doubles each time, so if you've been review banned recently, it adds up in a hurry. — Cody Gray ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@einpoklum I agree, the basic concept of SO is badly conveyed, and barely anyone remembers the purpose of SO anymore. The letter of the law is all that most people see these days, its spirit has mostly gotten lost. SO is supposed to be something like the Wikipedia of programming in a Q&A format. It's not a place to get your question answered, it's a place to find answers to questions. If a post is a net positive in this context, it's great. If a post is a net negative for that purpose, it must go. — deceze ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emix
I got the message last time. Now I pay a lot of attention when dealing with the queue. Is there someone I could ask to to shorten that suspend time? — emix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Cody Emix does not appear as a reviewer on those items. Is it because they were reviewed as audits or something like that? — yivi 1 min ago
 
8:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emix
Mine question is similar. I guess we will have to wait for the US to get out of their beds for the feedback. — emix 1 min ago
 
8:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
@emix Lifting review bans is usually done by moderators. And they don't all live in the US. — Ivar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sweeper
@Ferrybig People could also refer to a black line in a line chart though, right? I feel like it would take an AGI to figure out how the image intended for bright mode should look in dark mode... And don't forget the dark mode people who might create an image that looks good on dark mode, but looks terrible on bright mode. I suggest that every transparent pixel is replaced with white or black, depending on the uploader's preference. — Sweeper 1 min ago
 
8:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Fenn
There is a difference between preventing and encouraging though. SO encourages people just to copy and paste without thinking. There should probably be a rule against posting anything over 50 lines of code if it's clearly some kind of test or at least make it an option to flag posts for people assigning the tests and not having to play a constant game of cat and mouse. — Andrew Fenn 10 secs ago
 
9:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
I once got around [meta.stackoverflow.com/q/392900/8620333](8 User removed) but you beat me here ;) .. by the way, moderator won't give you a clear reply since this is supposed to be a secret but this is for sure a disassembled Voting Ring — Temani Afif 11 secs ago
 
9:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp
@TemaniAfif, Understood... but this is literally 30+ users. Which seems remarkable to me. Seems like a ring which revolves only around me! — jpp 2 mins ago
 
9:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Telon
I suggest Transparent == White. That was true before and I think that should be true even with dark mode. That way there will never be any confusion regarding the colors. People will have to live with white images in dark mode anyways. Adding the default white background behind images should ensure that images always looks like intended. — Alex Telon 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Telon
Making sure the image always looks the same is probably very important for discussions about colorblindness and other topics specifically about colors. See this example I think the images in that thread should look the same even if they would have been transparent. When the images were posted they did not know that it would make a difference so the safe choice is to force transparent to be white. — Alex Telon 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
Here's why you didn't know what Requires Editing means. — double-beep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lou
@VLAZ - Fair enough point, I've edited the question to better reflect the tone I was going for. — Lou 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Forgive me for being a little unsure but is this really 30 users or just 30 votes being removed....If a user or several users have voted on many different questions/answers, wouldn't their deletion look exactly the same as 30 users each voting once? — Paulie_D 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Telon
This is a link to the post you found. Those are in fact transparent images. So this seems to be a duplicate of meta.stackoverflow.com/a/396071/1723886. — Alex Telon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lomtrur
The C++17 question has been reopened two hours ago as at the time of writing. — Lomtrur 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Paulie_D has a point. If one user has upvoted two posts, then removing the user will remove 2 * 10 rep. I've actually been thinking about this recently - people with very high reputation scores usually have a lot of answers that are very prominent on old questions. So, they are very likely to be seen a lot. I got thinking about this because I suddenly became worried - I was browsing few old and VERY popular questions and upvoted good answers on them. But the answers were from the same people, so I was worried if it would count as targeted voting, yet those users simply provide good content. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
So, seeing you have a lot of rep and a lot of highly upvoted answers, then it's entirely possible that even a single person found them helpful and upvoted them...then was deleted. Or it might have been, say 2-5 people or something. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rahul Wadhwani
If there is a duplicate issue present should I let this post be here or delete it? — Rahul Wadhwani just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lomtrur
I don't see why the C++17 question should stay open. It got an answer. It is unlikely to get another answer of comparable quality. The answer can still be edited if needed even if the question is closed. To me it just feels "inconsistent" to leave an off-topic question open just because it got a self-answer. Are there any effects that closing a question has that I am missing? According to the Help Center the main difference between an open and a closed question is that a closed question can not get any new answers. — Lomtrur 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp
@Paulie_D, Implication of Martijn's answer on a related question is that indeed each "User removed" is indeed a single user removed. — jpp 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Generally the same goes for questions which are too broad; they usually cannot be answered in any appropriate manner and which just leave half-answered ruins which many people might stumble across but which all would find unsatisfactory. Since a great answer already exists, that's of no practical concern. Yes, in the case of self-answered questions the question is somewhat judged based on the answer. But let's be practical: we want a useful. quality knowledge base of programming related wisdom. All the tools like question closing work towards this purpose. Don't put the cart before the horse. — deceze ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Again, the main purpose of closing a question is to signal to the OP that the question requires improvements and that answers won't be accepted until the question has been improved. The point of that is to prevent bad answers, which may be posted because the question is too vague or not focused enough. You see this all the time in tags like php, where some vague coding puzzles leads to half a dozen really terrible answers quickly which just spread a bad understanding of the language because the question itself was fundamentally flawed and can't be answered well. — deceze ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@Lomtrur: A shame. — einpoklum 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@YaakovEllis: your rollback now means this post reads in reverse order, which makes it harder to understand for new readers. — halfer 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Xymanek
ok, will not try to help then. Also, the one you linked doesn't include my first point ("Active tab top-right") — Xymanek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
@halfer There is no need for the condescending language please. We want the update at the top because it is a very long post, and the update is super important. It will be very easy for users to miss it if it is at the bottom (even if there is one line at the top saying that there is an update). Thanks for your feedback. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@YaakovEllis: you have mid-read me. I did not intend any condescension. I am happy to hear how I might have worded my comment so that it does not sound condescending. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Turamarth
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Telon
I'm new here too so don't know either. The other post is mine so I don't want to be the one telling you that you should remove yours in favor of mine in case that is not the way to deal with things here. — Alex Telon just now
 
11:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Telon
This is a good example of the issue though so I added a note about it in my answer with a reference to you in case this is closed. — Alex Telon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You need to read that answer on the duplicate very precisely. if you do you'll find If a post was poorly-received (downvoted or closed), that will continue to count against your account even if the post is deleted! Whenever possible, try to fix posts instead of deleting them so deleting your non-useful questions as you stated is going against that advice. Everything you need to get out of the ban is mentioned in that answer. A moderator might comment here soon-ish to link you to your deleted questions. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
If you scroll through the answers, you'll find similar issues that have been reported. — double-beep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donal Fellows
Came here to post about the My Logins issue. — Donal Fellows 1 min ago
 
11:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emix
This entire ban system doesn't seem fair. Such definite action like banning should be reserved for somebody who is either overusing his "powers" or deliberately acting rogue. We're all human after all and make mistakes. Simple automatic message with a warning would be more than enough. Now, correct me if I'm wrong: when I make a mistake next time, it will be 2 month suspension? — emix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Warning posters over stuff posted in the past is a waste of effort. There were about 19.1 million questions before the dark theme was introduced. Blaming all of them for a change that happened up to 12 years after it was posted is a waste. Optimally, we should replace these with Mathjax, but that requires Mathjax to be enabled. Doing so enables the theming to properly integrate formulas with the site instead of hacks. You can just manually add a white background on the screenshots if you're in the mood to fix it, but there's no universal workaround when there's two mainstream themes. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bob__
@Zoe Yeah, adding an opaque background is something that the poster can (should) do, but of course we can't ask to do that to all the images already posted. — Bob__ 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by alain
Regarding the number of bugs in the current dark mode, I'm not sure if all layers of the april prank have been unfolded yet ;-) Maybe many bugs will be 'fixed' in 6 to 8 hours. — alain 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@emix Or you could just stop reviewing, no need to terminate the account. There are so many tasks to help out with. Reviewing is just a tiny part. — Modus Tollens 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Troyen
@TylerH Disagree that sub-3K rep users can't do anything useful. We can flag for reopening if we find the occasional question that shouldn't have been closed. Not all close voters are on the same page. — Troyen 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The suspension will be double only if it is applied in less than 30 days after you are out of this suspension. If it is applied after 30 days, it will be halved. — yivi 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Wrong reviews do not have zero value, but negative value, since they create work for other volunteers to fix. Imagine a person tries to volunteer to a meat-space organization. And during their volunteering they end up hindering the organization work instead of helping it, doing things wrong and creating more work for other volunteers. One would expect this person would be told off, right? That way they can learn that they are not contributing effectively and can change their approach. This is the objective of suspensions. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emix
Thank you for your input. — emix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Troyen
My anecdotal experience is about 40% of the questions I land on when Googling something turn out to be closed. A substantial percentage of those end up helping me figure out my answer, despite some people claiming they're "too broad" or "unclear" or whatever they're called now. And even dead questions can sometimes contain hints for things I haven't tried to help me along. So I hope hiding closed questions doesn't actually happen. — Troyen 24 secs ago
 
12:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Bean
Just my two cents, but I hate that desaturated orange used in the Overflow Blog panel. — Martin Bean 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
Well some of your question may look pretty appealing in order to look human. Perhaps you are a top user on a tag where the voting ring was really active and they just voted for few of the top questions in order to evade detection. — Drag and Drop 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0: (1 2 3 4 5 6) — Samuel Liew ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
As I've said elsewhere - you're only providing one reason for closing questions. Off-topic questions are closed, on their own and regardless of answers. — einpoklum 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I'm really sorry, jpp. You have been the one victim most affected by this ring. It's a real shame we didn't catch this particular scheme sooner. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 44 secs ago
 
12:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luke Brown
Sorry I've just noticed there is an existing thread over on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/395949/… to report this. Is it possible to move this? — Luke Brown 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
years = more than one — Samuel Liew ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
I guess it would be much easier when you just delete this question here and repost it as an answer there. But make sure this issue hasn't been reported yet. Moving a post needs moderator support and they always have a lot to do, so doing this yourself is much faster. — Tom 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
you said for a number of years?? how many years? — Temani Afif 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Troyen I think most likely the # of questions that were incorrectly closed is a rounding error compared to the # of questions correctly closed, let alone the # of questions that should be closed but aren't. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"Evil mods take away the socks of people" for shame! Now there are people walking barefoot because of you. — VLAZ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matt
Fascinating. Forgive my naïveté but to what end? Or were they also upvoting each other, and the OP was just cover? Not trying to pry, just wondering how to spot this sort of pattern. — matt 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@matt that's usually the M.O. of a voting ring - boost the votes of several accounts. Space this between many fake accounts to evade detection. Also, try to vote for other content in order to not seem like the users only vote for particular content. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matt
The same thing happened to me so welcome to the club. Moral: stay out of triage, it’s a death trap. — matt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
A lot of similar work has been done re: Russian-backed bot accounts across different networks on the web by those such as Renee DiResta and others. — TylerH 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matt
Clearly I need to think of easier ways to boost my rep other than crushing my rivals beneath the weight of my withering insightful logic. — matt 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@matt Yep, the goal with effective bots on any network is to establish a baseline of credibility. This throws off detection algorithms because they look like normal (read: random, distributed) patterns of activity. If you create 10 accounts in one day that all upvote an 11th account at the same time, it's pretty obvious. But if you create 10 accounts over weeks or months who upvote random accounts (even better if they upvote known-good content like this case) and then at different times give the occasional upvote to that 11th user, it pretty much requires human inspection to uncover. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@SamuelLiew 100+ sounds pretty significant. Is this the largest ring ever uncovered? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@lateo96 "then about half the questions on this site would be closed" There are nearly 20 million questions on the site. I doubt more than a few hundred of them are 'what are all the features of X language/version'. — TylerH 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@AaronShekey I feel the ultra dark mode is such a nice playful feature, that it should stay permanently. If it gets to stay or come back later it may be a little more useful if the flashlight would show the light mode instead of a colourless mode. I've been reading several posts on ultra dark mode already, just because it's fun :) — Scratte 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
@TylerH no, just shy of the record actually — Samuel Liew ♦ 23 secs ago
 
1:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by baptx
I can confirm that the issue happens again. I am using several RSS feeds and the issue happens only with StackOverflow Jobs so it looks like it is not a Thunderbird bug. — baptx 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp
@MartijnPieters, Thanks very much - that's all the confirmation I needed. — jpp 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
Wow. I wish I could've done this good of a job. — S.S. Anne 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arnav Varshney
Dude going through all the posts to look for already reported bugs is not really ideal — Arnav Varshney 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp
@SamuelLiew, This one was very interesting. It seems a number of accounts upvoted a single answer of mine which got me a "Guru" (40+ score) badge and now has < 10 score. The reversal seems entirely right to me, it is hardly my best answer. — jpp 1 min ago
 
1:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
@Troyen yes, that's also my experience. Hiding closed questions also goes against their own logic of having more traffic. — Marco Bonelli 37 secs ago
 
2:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Think this might be a dupe but i can't find it right now. — Paulie_D 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Macke
@AaronShekey Heh. Appreciate flashlight gimmick. But honestly, if the flashlight just covered the entire screen, it'd be perfect for me. :) 🐱‍👤 — Macke 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@matt crush other answerers. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations in the comments. — VLAZ just now
 
2:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
This is still going on. Again. — j08691 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Columbia
 
2:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by billynoah
@RobertColumbia - yes, as stated in my question, this is a duplicate or several questions. As none of them have been answered, I'm hoping it can get answered here. — billynoah 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
Yes i avoid reviewing too, because i can't comprehend the rules, sometimes so sometimes so, why do they ask a users opinion, if they don't follow it and the punish them for that opinion — nbk 1 min ago
 
3:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@StoryTeller-UnslanderMonica: You surely knew that I meant "no disrespect to the OP intended". — Makoto 1 min ago
 
3:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@jpmc26 how would that be different from the current situation? <3k rep shouldn't be given the prompt as they can't vote to reopen, and those with >3k already have the reopen button to use and get the question into the queue. — Adriaan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
Yes, and also, my sister is kind of intrusive so I delete the browser's history from time to time. — lateo96 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flame
TBH I like to see the occasional joke amongst all serious questions here. Maybe put a little icon 🐣 in front to mark it as a joke. Reputation gain should be exempted though. — Flame just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
@TylerH Uffff again... do not take that literally. That was just an answer to an exaggerated comment. — lateo96 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@lateo96 My point is it is so wrong that it's not even right as an exaggerated comment. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Adriaan I suppose it wouldn't be equivalent of the "reopen" button, then. Whatever mechanism the system uses to kick the the question into the reopen queue should be used if the OP selects yes on the prompt. The point would be to give the OP more awareness and control over what edits kick it into the queue. — jpmc26 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
You do understand that "requires editing", indicates the question needs to be improved by somebody other than the author, is that the case with the question your asking about? — Security Hound 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
So you aren't even going to mention the large set of discourse revolving around the c++-faq tag in general? Wouldn't you agree that an organized group was more influencial here than simply a single high rep user? Don't you think that was an essential piece to have disclosed here as part of your smear against high reputation users? — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
For the review you linked, what would you edit about it to salvage the question, or what would you expect someone like myself to do when we are asked to edit it in the help and improvement review queue? — Larnu 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
"Very Low Quality" should only be used for question which are downright gibberish. I don't see spam in the question marked as spam. The rude flag on the non-deleted question is also wrong: The question text was not rude towards anybody. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WackGet
Absolutely it's a bad thing. StackOverflow has become a virtual "meme" between myself and my colleagues, because whenever we post a legitimate, well-thought-out, eloquently-written question it's very often closed by some over-zealous editor who thinks it's a duplicate or an "opinion-based" question. I absolutely agree with relaxing the ability to re-open questions. — WackGet 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
If you need more cases here is one such case. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@MohitSharma - Your original account has not been deleted. You can recovery it, using the account recovery options, but it will still be question banned due the voting abuse. You have complete and total control over the account despite your claims based on what the moderator revealed. — Security Hound 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@Larnu: Given that Flame reviewed the first revision of the question (which has been closed) and some random user already edited it into shape (and got it reopened), the H&I queue should have applied exactly that edit. Requires edit is really often missused. But this time it imho wasn't. — BDL 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Even when reviewing the second revision, I'd still go with "Requires Editing" because the syntax highlighting on the second codeblock should be removed and there is a wrong capitalized Install in the last sentence. — BDL 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@BDL - The revision the author saw, was before the question was improved, in this case "requires editing" would have been the incorrect choice. This is supported by the timeline. While the question was ultimately improved by somebody, in the case of the triage queue, the incorrect decision was made (IMO). — Security Hound 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
"...except for what we felt were least risky which is outlined as phase 1..." Phase 1 is extremely risky. Users are not likely to respond any more positively to their questions getting hidden completely, as this effectively turns closure into a deletion. The fundamental problem is that most people are not invested in writing a quality post, and this creates friction with a community and system that prioritizes that quality over giving answers. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@BDL - I made that decision based on the fact the current revision looks nothing like the original revision. If it was the correct decision then I can't explain the review ban. — Security Hound 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@SecurityHound: How can you say that "Requires Editing" was the wrong choice when afterwards someone else than op edited the question into shape?? This is exactly the case which requires editing is for: questions that can be fixed by someone else than op. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
I'll just copy/paste something I wrote in a comment on the question: "The fundamental problem is that most people are not invested in writing a quality post, and this creates friction with a community and system that prioritizes that quality over giving answers." Our emphasis on quality is not elitism. It's a goal that optimizes for questions and answers with long term usefulness. Characterizing it as elitism is rude. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@BDL - So a blanket policy? That seems like a policy that would result in more work instead of less. — Security Hound 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@SecurityHound: They are probably banned because the mods ban everyone who chooses "Requires Editing" on a question that is closed afterwards. They don't automatically take away the ban when the post get's reopened and it turns out the the review was correct. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@SecurityHound: No, I don't suggest any change to the current mechanism. The ban should just be lifted now. And I suggest not to tell the asker here that there ban is deserved/correct. — BDL 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
I couldn't find any closed questions on your profile. You should demonstrate your point with evidence. Even context, explanation, and what you've tried aren't always enough to make a question high quality. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WackGet
My questions have always been high quality; I provide context, explain what I'm trying to achieve, and detail what I've already tried. Obviously it's just my opinion but all of the questions I've asked have been totally sensible and justified. Regardless, several of my questions have been closed and it left me feeling extremely frustrated because of the wasted time and - ultimately - the fact that one or two editors took away the opportunity for me to find a solution to my problem from an entire community of knowledgeable people. That's what angers me. If that's not elitism, idk what is. — WackGet 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That question shouldn't have been reopened, even when edited. Without the composer.json file, it's impossible to answer. With the composer.json file, it's a dupe. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kodos Johnson
ultra dark mode is an april fools joke — Kodos Johnson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lateo96
@TylerH I think you misunderstand me. I was replying to a comment against "list of things", no "what are all the features of X language/version" which is a lot more specific. It is still exaggerated, tough. — lateo96 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Flame
@yivi I guess it could be a duplicate depending on how you interpret the author's intention (does he want to circumvent this issue or simply want to know why?). Most importantly I dont want this thread to be about this specific review. As you can read in the bottom half I consider my other declined reviews to be gray-area to say the least. Not to mention the amount of total reviews compared to the handful of errors I made shouldn't result in months of bans. — Flame 39 secs ago
 
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