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12:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel A. White
i'm suprised something like this wasn't in the mvp. — Daniel A. White 1 min ago
 
1:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
These two editing forms are pretty redundant, when only the sidebar changes. — Martin Zeitler 1 min ago
 
 
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3:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joshua
I'm not worried about it getting gamed. If it gets gamed badly it will be changed again. — Joshua 9 secs ago
 
3:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Omielan
I believe you're asking the same thing as in this main Meta answer to The Follow Questions and Answers feature is now live across the Network. — John Omielan 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel A. White
@JohnOmielan thanks. there is no featured post over here. — Daniel A. White 1 min ago
 
4:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
It seems like the new "follow" capability will do this on a question granular level. — 1201ProgramAlarm 35 secs ago
 
4:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
There is also the "SO Close Vote Reviewers" chat room. It worked for me once. — Peter Mortensen 37 secs ago
 
 
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6:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
You're on meta.stackoverflow, not the main site. Before you post on the main site, please clarify your Question. It's not clear what you mean by "avoid status and date". — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I don't see how this answers the question asking for a canonical dupe. The questions can still be valid and we'd be giving them the canonical answer(s). — VLAZ 36 secs ago
 
6:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
When someone feels deeply enough about something, I guess they'll take any opportunity to rant about that something no matter the context. — ivarni 1 min ago
 
6:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan Lundy
@TemaniAfif "most of users don't agree with duplicate simply because they don't like their question being closed as duplicate not because the duplicate isn't suitable" Speak for yourself. Every time I've had a question closed as duplicate, it was because the people closing it didn't bother to read carefully. Then I have to go and painstakingly explain why it's not a duplicate because they couldn't be bothered to think about it themselves. — Ryan Lundy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by T.J. Crowder
@KlasMellbourn - Step 2 explains what to do about that: "At the moment, the list goes up through v16.6.3. To use hooks and such, you'll need later versions. You can grab the latest from a CDN (like cdnjs.com); use the "UMD" versions. For instance, to use v16.8.4:" followed by script tag examples for 16.8.4 (out of date now). There's also the "Live example using Hooks". — T.J. Crowder 1 min ago
 
7:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drag and Drop
The issue with bad / unreadable code is that you can't trust op. No amount of text will rebuild the trust and point you in the direction of the issue. The title will be "How to go to Paris?", the question body will describe a travel to London, the code is about Mexico and the comment are just prayer : "//Get gps coord; //Calc the best Trajectory; //Reroute the Tachyion flow through the warp drive polarity inducer;". Code comment does not describe code. Sometimes they are "Answer here", but most of the time they are just wish unrelated to the issue. — Drag and Drop 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
My strong suspicion is that a lot of automatic reopen votes (i.e. due to the first edit after closure) are actually cosmetic or otherwise not resulting in reopen worthiness. This might well account for the fact that 85% of edited questions remain closed. A later substantial edit would then end up in ... nowhere. Unless people actively see the edit and vote to reopen, the post is dead. Currently there's one chance for reopening, and most people blow it, unknowingly. Would be helpful to see the statistics on this. — Adriaan 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@Makyen Sure, that would be good - also for those edits on closed questions that translate non-English. So, you don't want closed questions "hidden"? I could live with it either way, but the OP is less likely to get helpful comments for improving or finding information with a question hidden completely... — Cindy Meister 51 secs ago
 
7:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No, there should not. That would not help to describe the subject matter of the question. Nevermind that many times, such a question could easily be off-topic. — yivi 1 min ago
 
8:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@RyanLundy of course I am seaking for myself and for the 3214 questions I have already closed as duplicate. I am not throwing words, I speak based on data and stats I made myself with the questions I have closed. I have no responsibility for people who wrongly close question (I face them a lot and I am constantly correcting their error) so don't judge me based on other actions. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"Difference between" should be disallowed in questions. (Also "Why is ... ?) It's a pretend question. The asker asks about multiple things. If they don't know what they are, why are they asking for "the difference"? They should find out what each is. If they think they know what they are, how is it that they need "the difference"? And what does that even mean?--Almost always an abstraction is needed--which? Either way they should give definitions/characterizations, show & apply research & ask 1 clear specific non-duplicate question about how they are stuck on a specific point. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"Difference between" should be disallowed in questions. (Also "Why is ... ?) It's a (lazy) pretend question. The asker asks about multiple things. If they don't know what they are, why are they asking for "the difference"? They should find out what each is. If they think they know what they are, how is it that they need "the difference"? And what does that even mean? Almost always an abstraction is needed--but which? Either way they should give definitions/characterizations, show & apply research & ask 1 clear concise researched non-duplicate question re how they are stuck on a specific point. — philipxy 6 secs ago
 
8:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christopher Stock
well hidden .. thx :) — Christopher Stock 1 min ago
 
9:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mast
Users should be forced to read the rules. That's it. If you don't start with that, all other efforts are a waste of time and resources. — Mast 29 secs ago
 
 
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10:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
There are hundreds of incorrect reviews in the Suggested Edits queue. Flag for mod attention only if a user has approved/rejected incorrectly too many reviews. — double-beep just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve
I am having a seizure... they did it. — Steve 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Yes, you would have rejected this and over reviewers should too, but OP has their own review right for edits on own posts and what do you think a mod should do there? Review-ban them although they don't have (standard) review rights anyway? — Tom 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I'd like to know the exact flag message and what you'd expect the outcome since that was approved by the OP. The only reviewer did reject the edit but was overturned by OP... — Andrew T. just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@double-beep I see. However, looking through the first page of reviews of this guy I found quite a few weird ones. — leonheess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@AndrewT. declined - a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it I think the editor is not editing when necessary but when possible to gain rep. Not sure what should be done in such a case. I just thought I'd bring it to the attention of a mod. — leonheess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I mean, your custom flag message, not the mod's response. Did you also state that the user had a history of superficial edits? There are more than hundreds (or even thousands?) flags daily, mods don't have time to investigate each case more than what the flags tell. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@AndrewT. Oh, I'm sorry. Here you go: IMHO this edit (stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/25587151) should not have been approved. Unfortunately, quite a few of this user's edits are like this.leonheess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@Tom This isn't about OP but about the editor who suggested it and got rep from it. Sorry if that wasn't clear. — leonheess 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
You mixed two things here. OP approving a bad edit and the editor doing bad edits. Two different flags with different expected/suggested outcomes would have been better, I guess. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That the flag was rejected does not mean that the mod thought the "edit was good" (or bad), but that they thought it didn't require moderator attention. Those are two different things and you should not conflate the two. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
If your flag wasn't about that OP, then the flag message is very misleading, because it starts with an action of them as a reviewer. If I were a mod, I would have thought you meant the reviewer shouldn't accept such edits and I should notify them. — Tom 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@yivi You sure about that? a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it sounds different to me. — leonheess 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You said it was "declined without comment". If it was declined with comment, you should provide that in the question. Additionally, yes, that mostly means that they thought the case didn't require moderator intervention, not necessarily that they thought the edit was good. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@RyanLundy a recent example if you want: stackoverflow.com/questions/60928576/… .. if the comments aren't yet deleted you can see how rude the OP is about my closure and there is no edit to explain why the duplicate isn't suitable (that duplicate is a perfect one by the way) — Temani Afif just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
@yivi I changed that in the question. It seemed like a generic message and not something they typed up so I didn't mention it. — leonheess 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Yes, it's a generic message that means what I explained before. That they thought that the case didn't require moderator intervention. You shouldn't read anything about that specific edit in the flag rejection. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
It is a generic message, but it still has a meaning :P — Tom 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rand Random
An edit to question should automatically ping the users that closed the question, and ask them if the question is worth re-opening and if not ask them to tell the questioner what is still missing. — Rand Random 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
folks who wrote above that it didn't require mod attention are all wrong, decline message clearly indicates that moderator picked different reason: "found no evidence to support it". If your flag message didn't refer to other cases of user persistently suggesting harmful edits this could cause a decline with mentioned reason — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@gnat I'm not saying I agree with the decline. I'm just saying that reading that the mod thought that that particular edit was OK, and to try to use that as a data point in suggested edit reviewing, is not correct. I don't believe the a mod would have thought that edit was correct. — yivi 1 min ago
 
11:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
I think you're missing the point about being "nice." Nobody likes to have their work criticized, but what people really don't like is being publicly shamed, which is what the current system effectively does. You seem to recognize that when you agree that hiding closed questions from the view of users with less than 3k reputation is a good idea. The change from "closed" to "hidden" directly reflects this move away from a public shaming approach. It's not just nicer wording; it reflects a different practice that is fundamentally more humane. — senderle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@senderle So when the post goes back to "visible", all comments should be auto-deleted? Or just the comments that users dislike? — Scratte 30 secs ago
 
12:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by firstpostcommenter
@WillNessHi, I deleted my own question 2 days back. I did not find it in "Activity - votes - deletion" page (?tab=votes&sort=deletion) — firstpostcommenter 16 secs ago
 
12:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@firstpostcommenter It's Activity ⇾ Questions ⇾ link at the bottom of the page "recently deleted questions". Similar for Answers. — Scratte just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@firstpostcommenter It's Activity ⇾ Questions ⇾ link at the bottom of the page "recently deleted questions". Similar for Answers. But it should still show in the other view, because you "voted to delete" it. — Scratte 11 secs ago
 
12:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
A review is a suggestive view of a person, that may o r not be the view of you or the moderator, but it cannot be wrong, because that would be a objective review, and that is impossible. You are right to flag this so that a moderator checks if the user has made more of such edits and ban them from editing — nbk 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@nbk There are wrong reviews, according to the rules of the site. There are users suspended from the review all the time (automatically and manually) for reviewing wrongly. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
Not disagreeing with your assessment, but the editor in question is doing a bunch of unnecessary bolding. — psubsee2003 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@senderle I think hiding closed posts from the views of users with less than 3k reputation is a good idea not to shield the asker from shame but because users with less than 3k reputation can't do anything productive WRT the question. They can't answer it because it's closed, and they can't vote to reopen it, either. Maybe drop the threshold to 2k so that users with edit privs can at least make an edit. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
Yup, you are roight. Just pointing out the bolding issue — psubsee2003 just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@RandRandom Users closing questions need to be able to turn off those pings per question. I close 40-50 questions a day... many of them cannot be edited into shape because they're inherently off-topic. I don't want to get 40+ pings a day about users complaining in an edit that their question was closed or that SO sucks. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@yivi i was banned for a week, because a moderator didn't agree with me, so i know that from experience. I got yesterday a question which i didn't want to reopen, because teh question was stupid, and had only comemnts with a solution to a stupid question, but it had 10 upvotes for c# tostring date formatting. I don't understand your review system, it is based on check and balances and still you punish people for having a different opinion, the revie system needs a urgent Revision — nbk 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rand Random
@TylerH - (cont) were responsible of the action, the story would have ended differently, also I think a user who closes a question should have a feeling of responsibility to that question and if it got edited the user who caused the close should be the first in action to be responsible to re-open it — Rand Random 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rand Random
@TylerH - that would imply that users actually edit there question, many of the questions I have seen so far that were closed because of off-topic or duplicate and so on didn't get edited and the questioner accepts the fact, though you could limit the pings to only those questions that got marked with "needs clarity", I also once had a question closed, and I edited but than I felt lost, because nothing happened, no one seemed to care, no feedback about my edit, nothing and I was left stranded with the feeling of "is my question, still not clear" but if I could interact with the users who... — Rand Random 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
[2/2] The fact that the user stopped editing after exactly 500 edits (gold badge + maximum rep gain) doesn't help either. However, I respect your authority on this subject and will refrain from reviewing suggested edits in the future. — leonheess 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
[1/2] Thank you for the clarification. Apparently my understanding of good edits fundamentally differs from the moderation's understanding. In my opinion, the edit I flagged is of terrible quality and either shows a clear misunderstanding of when an edit should be suggested or is a blatant attempt of gaining rep. Additionally, the edit history of the user is full of questionable edits that brush over obvious errors with some chance of correcting (sometimes from British to American English) a few spelling errors while introducing random formatting. — leonheess 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@RandRandom tying the asker directly to the people who closed a question is the wrong direction. Anyone with the right privilege level and knowledge of the Q should be able to help; the system shouldn't encourage askers to hold three particular users hostage (or personally to blame). Close voters shouldn't feel responsible for the outcome of a question's final disposition, either; that onus must always be on the asker. Unfortunately, there are woefully inadequate controls for managing bad questions, so many CVers do feel responsible: responsible for ensuring bad Qs don't survive. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@leonheess I disagree, however, that their formatting attempts are random. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@leonheess please do review suggested edits! It’s just that this user wasn’t so bad that it required moderator intervention. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@nbk There are no punishments in the review queues. At most, there are suspensions. But it's not a punishment, it's just a way to stop users from reviewing incorrectly. Since reviewing is work and not a reward, temporarily preventing users from reviewing can't be seen as punishment in any way. And the site has rules, yes. If a user disagrees with the rules and behaves in way inconsistent with the rules, there are some ways to try to limit the damage. Disagreement with the rules is never (in Stack Overflow or elsewhere) enough to avoid the rules from applying. — yivi 1 min ago
 
2:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Zoe the bolding wasn't excessive either. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@RobertHarvey No, I won't let it go. — Funk Forty Niner 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
The post you've cited has been deleted, and since comments are temporary (this one probably will get deleted as well), there's nothing more to see here. I'd just let it go. — Robert Harvey 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MartijnPieters the problem is that what people consider excessive is subjective. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I routinely clear out the review queues multiple times a day. Most of those cases have absolutely no way of ever being within scope. If I were to be notified of every question, linked to a close vote that I issued, the only notifications my mind could process would those notifications leaving the actual good questions that have a chance but required clarification in the dust. — Security Hound 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@RobertHarvey Heh, funny you should say that. I thought the same thing about a month ago. — Funk Forty Niner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Frankly, they ought to just do away with comments. The only thing that causes more wasted time is tag merges. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Have you noticed how most news sites don't allow comments on their pages anymore? That's for two reasons. The first is that they don't want to be bothered having to constantly comb comments to remove the trolls. The second is that they don't want to hear genuine, legitimate criticism about their reporting. — Robert Harvey 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@SecurityHound Because, they were deleted by someone other than myself. — Funk Forty Niner 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@RobertHarvey Well Robert, TBH I haven't noticed but I know your words are true and it wouldn't surprise me one bit, and all the better. I agree that comments tend to open cans of worms sometimes and tend to put some people in an uproar for absolutely no reason. — Funk Forty Niner 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@FunkFortyNiner - How exactly do you know your comments were actually flagged? If you understand commentary is temporary, and accept that comments that are no longer required should be deleted, then your comment should have been deleted. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
@Scratte, comments are a separate issue, and are not relevant to my point. We already have processes in place for dealing with unfriendly comments. — senderle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@SecurityHound I agree that the exchanges between the said member and myself after my initial comment to the OP were deleted, ok... but it's the initial comment to the OP that was (also) deleted that I found to be wrongfully done and find that the member in question started an useless fire, if you ask me. — Funk Forty Niner 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Anyways, to answer your question (in a comment), comments are temporary post-it notes that are subject to removal at any time without notice or explanation. INB4 comments get wiped here in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... — Robert Harvey 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@FunkFortyNiner - If any of the comments to that question were flagged the moderator might have thought it was easier to just delete all of the comments. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Just keep posting like you normally would. If a mod thinks you should change, they'll contact you. — Kevin B 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I don't think anyone knows that. If your expectation is that anything you post as a comment survives for any length of time, well... — Robert Harvey 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@RobertHarvey The problem here Robert is that how am I know what I can or can't post anymore as legitimate comments? I give a big "DF". — Funk Forty Niner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
A fire that is now out, unless we continue to fan the flames here. — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@TylerH Please see my above ^ — Funk Forty Niner 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
I understand that comments are temporary but find that my comment about them working with a copy is super important. People don't mention that until it's too late. — Funk Forty Niner 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
To answer the question in your title: because someone else disagreed. — TylerH 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Niet the Dark Absol
I would argue that "just 3% of closed questions are ever reopened" is a sign that the people who close questions do so with 97% accuracy. — Niet the Dark Absol 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@KevinB I will, thanks Kevin. — Funk Forty Niner 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@senderle Ok. What is the public shaming then? If it's having a closed post, there's nothing that holds the user back from deleting it while working on their edit. Maybe I spend my time in the wrong tags, but useful suggestions are coming from all reputation levels in those tags. Is there reason to assume that high reputation users are more helpful? (I don't have any data to back it up, but I tend to see somewhat snarkier comments from higher reputation users) — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@FunkFortyNiner It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about your comment being useful; if someone disagrees, they can flag it for deletion. If a moderator agrees with the flagger, they can and will delete it. As KevinB says, just maintain your usual course of behavior. If you think the comment is that valuable that it needs to stay, it's better to incorporate it into an answer. — TylerH 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
@TylerH I don't think you're grasping the nature and importance of the comment. — Funk Forty Niner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@FunkFortyNiner Doesn't matter whether I agree w/ the comment's importance or even whether I understand it. A comment could be literally life or death from your POV, but if it starts out with +1 and is only a single short sentence, I can flag it and get it deleted by the system all day long if I want. Likewise, if a moderator thinks it's likely to continue inciting arguments, they're just gonna delete it. As I already said, if you think the comment is so important, put it in an answer. — TylerH 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Even the most important comments are not that important. They are always second-class citizens at best. And a comment can't be more important than the post it was posted under, and that question was not very important at all. — yivi 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I don't think you're grasping the nature of comments. — Robert Harvey 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
@Scratte the closing system itself, as it exists now, calls wide public attention to the failings of a post. The possibility of deleting, editing, and undeleting a post will not be obvious to new users. It wasn't obvious to me until I was able to see deleted posts, and realized people were able to edit them while deleted. — senderle 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@senderle So what's holding "us" back from informing the users about the option to delete their post while they find out what they should do with it? Apart from that, I just deleted a Question of mine and I get this when trying to edit it "You cannot edit your own deleted question. Undelete before editing.". But if I wanted to edit this post, I could edit with my own favorite editor, then undelete the post and put in the edit. This way it's not exposed in it's horrible state for more than a few minutes. At least this gives me the control of reducing downvotes. — Scratte 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
Try to help somebody. Well, that's the last time I do that. They can gain the experience the hard way. See if I care now. Yeah, the other member "made" it into something else that wasn't. When I said my comment, it meant just that; that they should be working with a copy rather than the original. I found I was pretty clear on that, come on. — Funk Forty Niner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Funk Forty Niner
"That's why you should always work with a copy." - And you removed it? Why? That was an important comment for anyone who hasn't been faced with that, or have no experience. Wow.... Ok.... whatever. — Funk Forty Niner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
There was some vague hinting that OP experienced some problem after deleting code, but again, that was all totes vague. Your comment may have been useful. I'm sure OP saw it, so perhaps it helped them. But ultimately it didn't contribute to solving the problem at hand at all, and then it even sparked some "rude" back and forth (even if it was a misunderstanding and not even your fault), at which point it was simply easier for it all to go away. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
"Additionally, the whole idea seems to be based on the dubious proposition that a desire to avoid public scrutiny during question revision is a significant barrier to people fixing their questions. Data please?" I don't see how even proving this to be true would matter. SO is a public resource readily accessible to everyone on the internet. It was founded explicitly for the purpose of publicizing information. If you're not willing to deal with public scrutiny, why are you even here? — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
@Scratte at this point I have to wonder why you object to the idea of automating that process, since you don't seem to object to the process itself. — senderle 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@senderle I wrote an answer myself, that addresses some of the struggles that I'm having myself with the site. I'm not a fan of short canned help or the abyss of "meta". Users may read the help and still have no idea what to do to bring their post back on track. Also, feeling all alone will not help feeling "unwelcome". Their best bet is have people notice their post. My other objection is not having options. If users want to hide their post, they already have this option. Why not let them keep it, instead of forcing their post to be hidden? — Scratte 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Does the duplicates answer your question? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
You appear to just be expressing your frustration here. While I can understand your frustration, it's not clear what your actual question is in this post. The only actual question is asking how a question can be closed by only one voter, which is definitely a duplicate of questions about the dup-hamer available to gold tag-badge holders. — Makyen 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Your question really does look like the same issue which is answered in the duplicates, which means you got your answer in less than a minute thanks to the user marking it as a duplicate. If your question isn't covered by those duplicates, you're going to need to edit it to explain what makes your question different because if you're asking something else, I don't see it. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
I think the close messages could be more helpful to authors of close questions, to be honest. It would be better if they could be more explicit about the fact that questions can (and are) reopened, if the correct processes are followed. That said, close voting is a community service carried out by volunteers, so it is entirely wrong to think of them as motivated by a desire to close random questions. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
I have pinged the Gold badge holder who closed the question, as is only fair. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Will Ness
you can also SO-search for "user:me deleted:1". — Will Ness 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bmm6o
I think you meant to post this on the regular stackoverflow site, not the meta site. — bmm6o 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
@Scratte I guess my answer shifts towards the experience of other users at this point. I think part of the problem here is that people who would otherwise post questions are discouraged by the sight of other questions -- reasonable ones at first glance --being closed. I gather your point is that not everyone will want to have their questions hidden and I can respect that. But I honestly think it's more appropriate to the situation... — senderle 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@FunkFortyNiner I can't see the deleted question, but couldn't you have posted your comment as part of a proper answer? — Modus Tollens 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@TylerH: I get that there's definitely resistance to the automatic reopening idea, and I'm maintaining that I would acknowledge this as a sore point. But what I'm not reading in any of this is the same old Stack Overflow Inc. that would make a decision and ignore feedback. This entire process reads to be iterative. They're going to try some things and get some actual numbers about how impactful this is. I would much rather automatic reopening be an actual scourge we need to deal with than some boogeyman that we're just afraid of. — Makoto 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
Many schools explicitly prohibit publishing student work without consent. Why should we not extend the same protection to learners on this site? The analogy isn't precise, but there are enough overlaps that it's worth taking seriously. — senderle 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I edited your question to fix the name of the company/site. I didn't want them to think that you didn't care about their survey ;-). — Heretic Monkey 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Modus The question was not fit to keep around. Is not the kind of question we want to be answered, but closed. — yivi just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@yivi I see,ok. — Modus Tollens 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@senderle Because the schools do not prevent student that wants to publish from doing so. Which is my point. This suggesting is making the decision to not publish for them, not with them. I do not believe that posting a Question and being surprised about the ill reception will make things any better. That may just hit a user like a ton of bricks. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
There was yet another typo with the punctuation mark inside of the closing parenthesis. It's important to make an effort so the reports don't get dismissed. Personally, I am forgiving of typos. No Ragrets. — yivi 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
[ Boson ] New comment posted by beyondtime
"Conservative algorithms" might be a problem, if one is ahead of or on newest technical innovation level compared to wider customer level usage or reaction, what might affect software side also and judgement considering positive contribution (at this moment)? — beyondtime just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
@Scratte I don't think that's quite correct though. The decision to publish student work requires mutual consent. The student is free to publish their own work separately, but not under the auspices of the school. — senderle 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
In light of this apparently-inscrutable decision, can you at least explain what is the intended purpose of this "non-preferred technologies" feature, if no relevant party is able to see it? — Cody Gray ♦ 58 secs ago
 
4:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matthias_h
Thanks, I already read this answer. It was very helpful for a better undstanding of the Triage queue and the issues with "Requires editing". — matthias_h 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
mountain != molehill — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@senderle Closed questions are not broadcast across the site as you seem to be claiming. Users have to look for them and then willingly navigate to them from question lists/searches to find them (same as pretty much any question). On top of that, the majority of users do not assign a real or identifiable name to their account. The concern of "public shame" doesn't have much ground to stand on here. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
5:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
OK, so the bribery is "I'll give you my code if you solve my problem"? If so, I don't really think it's a very effective way to bribe people - if somebody can solve the problem with the code, they'd very likely not need that code themselves. Also, if the code already has a problem, then is it really that valuable? I'm trying to wrap my head around how this is supposed to work. — VLAZ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by senderle
@TylerH I'm not claiming they are broadcast across the site. But they appear in search results with a prominent notice that they are closed. There's no point in getting into a debate about what degree of prominence constitutes legitimate "public shame." Obviously there is a gradient. On that gradient, closing questions in a public way ranks higher than hiding them. — senderle 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by k0pernikus
Finally, after years of waiting, it arrived: stackoverflow.blog/2020/03/30/…k0pernikus 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by k0pernikus
There's one now! stackoverflow.blog/2020/03/30/… This question should be reopened to include the link — k0pernikus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Shekey
"also, dark mode is not dark enough for me." Challenge accepted. — Aaron Shekey ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Bugs should be given as answers on the announcement: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/395949/…Nick 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Thank you! Exciting to see such developments. — deceze ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Also for future bug reports, don't use the bug-reports tag, see it's description: "This tag is not for reporting a bug! Use this tag for questions about bug reports." Just bug (plus any tags about the issue you're seeing) will do nicely. — Davy M 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tenfour04
It said something like, “I’ll give you the code for an Instagram clone if you answer my question.” The question had no apparent connection to the Instagram clone. — Tenfour04 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cássio Renan
Not sure if it's related to my monitor not being that great - that's why I'm not posting as an answer here - but I'm having a hard time differentiating between bronze and silver badges when looking at them against the dark background. It's not impossible - I do notice a small difference - it's just somewhat hard to tell. BTW, In some places (for example, on Activity>Badges) it's not possible to know which are which just from context, and the color is the only way to differentiate them. — Cássio Renan 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
That sounds slightly more reasonable...except if the Intagram clone was useful, we wouldn't be talking about an "instagram clone" but that thing. There have been Facebook clones, Twitter clones, Instagram clones, MySpace clones, etc since those became popular. And none of the clones have replaced the services they tried to emulate. Heck, I worked for a company that made one of these. Not by our choice but, hey, the customer was paying. You've not heard of that product, either, I assure you. So, I'm going to say that the Instagram clone wouldn't be a huge success either. — VLAZ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
It's an svg, not an image, so it should be simple enough to style the elements of it — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
Also happens after clicking "Newest" badge. — double-beep 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian Gollhardt
Nice, was expecting an April joke, but was offered something much better :) — Christian Gollhardt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave
While everyone seems to be in love with dark themes I am one who does not get them at all and really dislike them. I find the contrast very hard on the eyes and even harder to read for any length of time. I may be an outlier but that's my 3 cents worth. — Dave 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Roberts
oh man, if we're going to get WCAG involved, I imagine there's a lot of places on the site that would fail in Dark Mode right now. — Patrick Roberts 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
@PatrickRoberts these are just some that most users see every day. You can go ahead and report more. — double-beep 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
It's pretty safe to assume that this isn't an intentional choice, merely an oversight... it's... headache-inducing to know about how many manual overrides and hard coded things there are. :) No need to bring WCAG into it. :D — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
Could this possibly be extended into chat.SO? — NathanOliver 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
@Catija this one (and the other I reported before) are the ones hurting more my eyes :) — double-beep 58 secs ago
 
6:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blex
You don't need this anymore :) stackoverflow.blog/2020/03/30/…blex 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
It's not just phones, modern computer OSes support it as well. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
This is present on recent versions of all major operating systems afaik, Windows, Android, most linux skins, etc support it too. Note that this is usually an OS setting, not a browser setting, but the browser must support it and will follow the OS setting. — Erik A 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nabeel Khan
@ErikA yes i meant that too, updated the answer. — Nabeel Khan 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
From the question: "Site sprites (appear in the site switcher or on profile pages) haven't been adapted to the dark theming. This means sites icons with dark colors (e.g. Super User, U&L, Salesforce, Wordpress, etc) may be difficult to see. " — double-beep 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
[ Boson ] New comment posted by shadowsheep
Gr8!!!! Dark mode beta is just awesome!!! Finally you did it! And it's gr8! My eyes really really thank you all guys! — shadowsheep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@double-beep I just noticed. Feel free to edit it out into your own post :) — Scratte 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Not really a fan of dark mode, but it is extremely encouraging to see a feature that so many users in the community clamored for for so long. Well done! — Travis J 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
No can do, I'm all out of votes for today — Davy M 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@MohammadMoeinGolchin Note that you do not get reputation for posts on Meta Stack Overflow. People are, of course, encouraged to vote as they wish nonetheless. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@AaronShekey Please don't make the current one darker! Maybe just add a 'midnight' option for those who want things truly black. — TylerH 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Disagree w/ this one; I think the links look way better against the dark background now than they ever did w/ the white background. — TylerH 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
This is great; thank you very much Catija (and the rest of the team)! Can't wait to see it make its way to Meta. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Also the tour needs to replace the white images in the examples — Scratte 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I don't know if this is worthy of an answer, but I miss the colored logo in dark mode... — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Well, don't know about the others, but I care about the odd bug. I've seen many software products offer dark mode and unfortunately most have huge issues that prevent me using it. It's always some key functionality that's also not immediately obvious, so I might use this for a week or a month and suddenly find something that's absolutely unusable with this theme. There was one where you couldn't edit the settings because you couldn't see them. An editor made config files unreadable, another did the same for comments but you could see code. So, I care about bugs. — VLAZ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
... OK... so... I'm not sure what y'all think about things... we're getting a handful of different kinds of answers below - some things are bugs with one bug per answer and others are huge digests of many bugs... some answers are FRs and some are a combo of bugs and FRs... some of the digests include individual answers. I usually prefer single answers but I'm wondering if it makes sense to have one big bug wiki answer and FRs as separate answers... or something else... thoughts? — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
Agree with this, except that I think it's perfectly ok to have an artificial separation of a "hidden" and "deleted" status if it has some positive psychological effect. — einpoklum 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vencovsky
Much more clear with the answer, but it would be good if there was some explanation or a tooltip — Vencovsky 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@Erik this seems to be a serious new bug, the last two questions on meta closed as duplicate are showing the same thing (not related to this one by the way) — Temani Afif 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
No, we really don't want 100% of the questions to be reopened. Many - probably most - of the closed questions can never pass the quality/relevance test, at all, or without being duplicates of existing questions. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
While I also worry of conversion into type IV, do you have a basis for claiming this has been happening recently? — einpoklum 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
I've flagged the original question as per this new MSE question for escalation of issues, and hope it'll be addressed — Erik A 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
It's weird: instead of just failing to insert the target question, it's inserting a bunch of white space. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by eyllanesc
@einpoklum Maybe you have partially read my sentence, the complete sentence is: We all want 100% of the questions to be reopened but obviously that they pass the community quality testeyllanesc 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
With respect - I'm absolutely certain you (and your experience) are an exception to the rule; and while the problem you bring up does exist, I (and probably others here) believe it is orthogonal to the rest of this discussion. Not downvoting you though. Also, I very much agree that the phenomenon of many downvotes accruing on closed questions is in itself a problem worth addressing. — einpoklum 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@HereticMonkey I did post an answer below about that — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@TylerH Got my vote, thanks. — Heretic Monkey 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mbomb007
@blex That's only for SO. If you want meta, SO.blogs and other network sites to match, you need to use the flag until Dark Mode is network-wide. — mbomb007 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
I was just about to make this same report... Just to point out this is a different issue from “This question already has answers here:” banner without target links. Is this a bug? because that bug is supposedly only present on old questions that didn't get converted to the new notice right. This issue seems to be present when a user accepts a duplicate flag/vote instead of it getting closed through the full vote process. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
No, I actually did read that. You're making the implicit assumption that all closed questions can be made to pass this test, which is not the case. So your caveat cannot justify the beginning of your sentence. It is probably closer to the truth to say "We all want the salvagable 10% or 20% or whatever to be reopened, but obviously that they pass etc." — einpoklum 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
Yeah. It's going to take some finesse. Some of the theme color options for Teams work just great, others are a little hard to discern. :) — Catija ♦ 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Catija It might be easier to ask that feature requests be posted to a new thread. Unfortunately I don't think mods can migrate answers in a pick-and-choose fashion. But I think the vast majority of responses here are bugs, not FRs, so maybe the initial Q could include the existing FRs and whether they'll be addressed, and then a request for additional feature requests. That'd make the most sense to me for being able to separate bug fixing from new features internally. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
meta is different, we don't need answer. It's the same bug and we are waiting for it to be fixed — Temani Afif 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Hmmm, looks like there's a bug with self-accepting duplicates not showing up. — TylerH 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
please accept the duplicate so we can confirm another bug — Temani Afif 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nkosi
@NathanOliver Yep same problem, but still no answer — Nkosi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@einpoklum I think you're right. Nobody in their right mind would ever put this much effort into a voluntary thing with little reward. But the first month I spent here I had no idea what meta was. I just answered Questions. Some of my answers were deleted with the Question and I lost my reputation on them. I didn't understand why they were removed. Some times I spent an hour getting an answer ready and just as I was about to post it, the Question got closed. I didn't understand why. I didn't ask Questions because I didn't understand why. I think that first month may be very representative.. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@TylerH It's strange. Didn't happen here so not sure if it is still an issue or not. — NathanOliver 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by eyllanesc
@einpoklum I think I should say: In the ideal case we want 100% of closed questions to be reopened obviously by passing the quality test, but unfortunately we are far from the ideal case. That is, that phrase does not refer to reality but to ideality. — eyllanesc 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nkosi
ok cool accepted. — Nkosi 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blex
@mbomb007 Yes, the question is exclusively about SO :) — blex 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
When text is literally unreadable, I care about that. And when it's technically readable but hurts my eyes to look at it, then that defeats the entire purpose of dark mode. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@Scratte: It took me quite a while before I started answering questions. Also, SO is very harsh relative to other SE communities when it comes to voting. Some other communities will more delicately nudge you to edit-or-delete less-useful answers, and are more likely to reward a newbie with an upvote for a half-decent question. — einpoklum 1 min ago
 
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