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2:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Procyclinsur
I would appreciate constructive feedback. Please do not down-vote a question without giving a reason... I cannot improve this otherwise! — Procyclinsur 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Downvotes on Meta signal disagreement. People don't like this feature request. — deceze ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker I also don't mean to target you, but is this an isolated occurrence as well? Moderation lately seems inconsistent at best. I feel like a soccer player who tries to grasp new rules by watching inconsistent referees while the game is running. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Since the box keeps updating as you input the title, body and tags, I think having it somewhat "in the way" so you're more forced to look at it is something of a feature rather than a bug… — deceze ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
You might want to improve your feature-request as mentioned in the feature-request tag guidance? — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@modustollens If you can find an answer from the CM team that refutes what I’m saying regarding lack of research effort, please post it. — George Stocker ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Putting it above the title feels very weird, counter intuitive.Being able to collapse/expand it is then maybe the least invasive UX action. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@modustollens The policy has always been to not close questions because they lack research effort (I.e., if the only reason to close a question is it lacks research effort, don’t close it, downvote instead). I can’t reconcile “isolated” and “policy” in the example you listed. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@zoe if everything was cut and dried you could create an algorithm to take care of it. The nuance is why you have human moderators in the first place. — George Stocker ♦ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
policy change. Not the minor difference between two moderators, that's an individual policy change. If you go down that road without meta or someone else approving and making it official, we'll end up wasting our flags. The moderator lottery is far from what you're doing. — Zoe 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker Moderators still need to follow the rules. We have community guidelines, and while some mods handle stuff differently, there's a world of difference between handling an answer differently, and changing how a mod handles NAA flags (because that's currently the assumption I'm going under). If we don't have policies and everything is on a per-case basis, we won't need flaggers in the end. Petter's reasoning is far from incorrect, but you're not understanding the scale. If you start declining flags on link-only answers and other NAA's that could potentially be recoverable, that's a — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker Let me take this from another angle. Judging from my linked post and the two declined flags you seem to believe that leaving a post open longer to give OP a chance to work on it is a good idea. So why not propose a feature request to make posts non-flaggable and non-closeable for some time after they are posted? Imo that would be the correct way to try to enforce it. — Modus Tollens 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@GeorgeStocker It's in the What topics can I ask about here?, namely "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." This rule has been around forever. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker An algorithm is still no match for a real brain, at least not yet. Talk to Google in 6-8 years. There's human difference in the way flags are handled, yes, but you're going against consensus on how posts should be handled. if you don't have the majority of at least the moderators (but of the community would be better), you're not upholding the rules of SE - you're making your own and enforcing those instead. — Zoe 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Procyclinsur
@deceze Thank you for the clarification, and I agree, it is something that should be looked at.. but as it definitely gets in the way i would make the change to be able to expand/collapse it as mentions. — Procyclinsur 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You should never edit a question when your edit will invalidate existing answers. — rene 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Except they didn't even dump code, just the input data. Which makes it even worse. — Lundin 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Functionally, what is different between someone dumping homework, or just dumping a work problem? Does the source make a difference in not requiring research effort? — fbueckert 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Lundin That's homework help, and is very context specific when a user dumps code and asks "what's wrong with this?" . — George Stocker ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Two factor authentication ... — rene 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"Two meta issues brought up out of around 5000 flags handled yesterday is not indicative of a change. We're just a really small pond here at Meta." - either that, or the continued talk of how toxic and scary meta is, along with it being slightly hidden from the community now (thanks to SE removing hot meta posts) makes users not ask. Meta is no different from any other site in the network, aside it being opinionated by design. Also, how many of those flags were raised by new users who just got the signal "I just won't flag link-only answers as NAA", or equivalent for other similar types? — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Bash has over 100k questions. It seems to be generally well accepted. — fbueckert just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Procyclinsur
I added a bit more clarity — Procyclinsur 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
That's a good question: Bash is a programming language; Python is a programming language; the question is about their interaction; and it has research, effort, and a well defined problem statement. Conda is used by programmers. I'm not sure why it was closed. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Some people adapt instead of going to meta, especially if they're still learning. That's great if the flag was handled correctly, and that the moderators are actually moderating according to the rules, and not by their own, self-made policies going against meta consensus and rules outlined by the company. — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
It was posted to SOCVR. Can't explain why it was closed though. — BDL 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Zoe At this point, I've given you all the clarification I can offer; I can tell you it's not a moderator change, I can tell you that in my mind these were particular cases; and I can tell you that 2 declined flags out of thousands isn't anything to be worried about. But at this point it seems like you just want to vent and say your piece and keep attacking. I don't feel like there's any further fruitful conversation to be had between us. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker So does this mean you would handle flags like that differently now should they come up again or what? — Modus Tollens 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Why would removing specific details invalidate the question for you? — fbueckert 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joey Quint
Understood. So I should remove my mention of the details to make them completely valid, and ask another question then? — Joey Quint 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker You've called out several users for attacking you when they're arguing with you on meta. That's still not attacking. That being said, it's definitely a sign we're done here. One last word of advice though: The current consensus is against you. If you disagree with that, feel free to attempt to create a new one. But even then, don't expect everyone to just blindly agree and support it. If you want to ignore my input, knock yourself out(I know some people are already doing that).Discussions build communities and define standards - you can't prevent it from coming from someone else — Zoe 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raedwald
Directing new users to a closed question could encourage them to post similarly unsuitable questions. — Raedwald 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raedwald
Closed questions that have not been locked could be deleted at any time. — Raedwald 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joey Quint
@fbueckert No, that's not it. What I meant is that I mentionned I wanted a subquery so I could gather additional information in the same query, but the thing is I didn't mention it was a SUM that I was using, which makes the JOINs (as suggested in the answers) invalid, because the data in my SUMs would be different then. — Joey Quint 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Because it's not about programming in bash, it's about a guessing game of "where on my disk is there something being run that's affecting my environment". If it is a programming problem, it lacks an actual MCVE, so there's no possibility of giving a definitive answer. The lack of a MCVE is evidenced by both answers just guessing at what the problem is, or just providing additional steps that can be taken to track down where the problem is. — Makyen 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
@BDL no it was a different user.. You seem to be confusing the question author name with the request poster in chat — Suraj Rao 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Procyclinsur
further added clarity — Procyclinsur 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Can you alter the subquery to do what you need, based on the information you received? — fbueckert 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@SurajRao: Yes, I did. Removed the comment already. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
Small pond don't agree with your judgement. Rethink your judgement. I don't like back and forth. Good luck for your modration. — Shree 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@KevinB the main problem is that OP could also have misconfigured GIMP and Rythmbox, which would result in the same problem. So yes, the tools are used in programming, but what tool it was, is in this case not relevant to the problem. — Adriaan 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Quite right @KevinB. — George Stocker ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
There's this thing in the GDPR that says that an "Opt-out" isn't acceptable... Now I realize that this isn't a privacy issue, but this basically made that ad "opt-out". Is that fact stored somewhere? Or will we have to "opt-out" every time we load that page? It's not exactly top UX to have to dismiss ads. — Cerbrus 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
Are you voting to close? Did you recently get 3k reputation? — Wai Ha Lee 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
FYI : Small pound really care about SO. Which gives us try to give back . — Shree 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tejas Shetty
How does one go about fixing a misconfigured bash shell? — Tejas Shetty 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kvantour
@TejasShetty There is in essence nothing wrong with your question. You clearly did your research and try to address the problem yourself. From that perspective, your question is already better than a large fraction of the questions asked on this forum. Unfortunately, everything in your question points to a mild bug in a configuration file and is not really programming related. These questions are not really SO related. I would suggest to move it to Unix & Linux or Super User. — kvantour 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kvantour
@TejasShetty The best thing you can do is make a copy of your .bashrc and .bash_profile files and then clean them out. Restart bash reading the empty configuration files and see if you still have the problem. If the problem persists, bash is not the issue but something else. If the problem is gone, slowly feed in elements of the copied configuration files and restart the process until you find the line that creates the problem. — kvantour 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
The way I have read the quote in OP's post above is that any question about tools used primarily for programming is OK (considering it doesn't run afoul of other off-topic rules). Bash is, AFAIK, used primarily for programming (AFAIK it actually is only used for programming) -- thus a question about a configuration error in Bash is OK here. Put another way, "How to configure a program" is off-topic here, except when the program is one used primarily for programming. I'm guessing you read that quote in OP's post a different way? — TylerH 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@kvantour NB - gold badge powers only work unilaterally for closing questions as duplicates, not for other close reasons. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
3:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by James
If you block third party cookies you don't automatically get logged in on other SE sites. — James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Are you browsing in private mode or in a browser with tracking/cookies blocked, by any chance? — TylerH 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@gnat that's the one. — Zoe 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taplar
Cookies are not blocked, but I have them set to delete when the browser closes. Is this a cookie issue? Edit: Tracking is blocked though. — Taplar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@Zoe after you mentioned declines that weren't complained about at meta I re-checked my flag history and found a suspicious one I've got yesterday. Post author name is the same as displayed on screen shot in this recent discussion of non-English flag decline but I can't see the deleted content. Having over 10K rep you can check if it's the same post or a different one in this LQ reviewgnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I would imagine whether the banner is shown after being closed is almost definitely powered by cookies. If you're not closing the browser before going to another page, though, then at least something else is at play. — TylerH 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by James
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I had intended "curate" to encompass creation too, but perhaps I stretched the definition a little too far. — James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taplar
Not closing the window. I can definitely try enabling tracking though to see if anything changes. — Taplar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taplar
Short term, I'll probably just add a snippet to my userscript for the site to remove the banner, but it's just annoying. — Taplar 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taplar
Changed the privacy settings back to standard and unchecked the deletion of cookies on close. Behaviour did not change. Also tried using Edge, which I don't believe has my privacy settings in it (rarely use it), and the behaviour was consistent there as well. — Taplar 1 min ago
 
3:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@jpp Would you mind posting that as an answer? — TylerH 1 min ago
 
4:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@TylerH yes, very much. Questions about how to set your environment vars or path in the Windows Command line are not on-topic either. At lest not to get your Eclipse IDE started. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@rene Gotcha; we simply disagree completely on this, then. IMHO how to change any setting or get any thing configured correctly in an IDE or programming tool/env is on-topic here, based on how I read the quote in the Help Center. (Though questions such as "what's the best configuration" or "do you prefer dark mode vs light mode", etc. would not be on-topic). — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 404
A screenshot? So we can be sure we're talking about the same thing. — 404 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I have done this many times in the past (almost always for comments by the answer author) -- edit a substantial or length comment response into the answer and then flag said comment (and any related ones) for deletion. Moderators thus far have tended to mark such flags as helpful. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@TylerH well, yes. We disagree. If they had used the C Shell they would have ended up with the same problem. Their issue is more of a Shell configuration issue then anything else. IOW it is not Bash programming issue. But let us disagree that is fine. — rene 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@NickCraver BTW, do y'all still use LESS? Or have you switched to Sass (or, dare I ask, writing actual CSS [where possible]) since 2015? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by smileycreations15
Thanks :D I hope this may help some teams — smileycreations15 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lightness Races in Orbit
Well that was largely tongue in cheek — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taplar
@404 screenshot added — Taplar 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
@GeorgeStocker that comment wasn't directed at you, personally and sorry if you took it that way. I have 20+ wrongly declined flags in the network and, as you guess you can't have declined them all. Regarding the other expression, I can't see how it makes you think I come across you as combative. It is commonly used for <2k people who do minor edits to old posts. — double-beep 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You might want to open your developer console and capture both traffic, cookies and local storage. The earlier bug report was status-completed but got reverted back to status-planned. Lack of reproducible bug reports I guess made it stalled. — rene 1 min ago
 
4:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What is this "Charcoal's Team" you speak of? — Peter Mortensen 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@TylerH As I'm sure you know, bash is a shell that's used to enter commands into various computers (a wide spectrum of machines; it's available on most machines in one way or another). While it is also used for programming, I'd say its primary use is general computer use and/or system administration. I have no statistics for that, but I wouldn't say that it's used primarily for actual programming. It certainly isn't only used for programming. My impression is that you may be conflating the computer use that you do day-to-day with the portion of what you do that is actual programming. — Makyen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
MOD power , comment deleated who disagreee with them. — Shree 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
@PeterMortensen chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq that are running smoke detector have a team channel called Charcoal. — Petter Friberg 1 min ago
 
5:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
"After a long search it was a minor typo in the XSL stylesheet" => No longer reproducible is the correct close reason. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
I hate to say this but, there is no consensus amongst moderators, and this is not a new problem. If it was me, I would have deleted both the posts, as that is what the FAQ mentions 1. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297673/… 2. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265552/…. It is very frustrating to see that even though we take the utmost care in flagging posts, according to the guidelines made by ♦ moderators, we end up getting declined flags, by those ♦ moderators themselves. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
I had a flag declined on this post (also gibberish). the post was deleted by a moderator (the same one involved in two of the there linked discussions, as well as in this one), my flag was declined, but other R/A flags appear to have been validated. If it indeed is the case that other spam flags were validated, the targeting part is unfortunately true. — Zoe 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I also had a declined red flag on that answer. Worth mentioning that the user account is unregistered. I don't think they will ever come back. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Can you rephrase that last sentence? I'm not much interested in what you believe and your motivations but more in what policy the moderator followed that we missed and as such might need re-adjust on (if we think that is feasible). — rene 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@yivi We know who deleted it, and considering it's gibberish, there's a good chance it is the same mod who deleted and handled the flags. (I can add a screenshot if you want) — Zoe 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Do you even know if the flag was declined by the same mod? I'd keep the question focused on this incident. Linking the other posts is not really relevant, IMO. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I still believe it's unwarranted. Either the question is "why was this flag declined", or the question is about certain moderator moderating style. — yivi 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
I don't want to be "combative" nor sound "arrogant" but the mod needs a review break on Stack Overflow, we can't have meta feelings spilling over to main. I hope that the mod team discuss this problem and fine a feasible solution — Petter Friberg 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
What @yivi says is exactly what I meant with my comment (but ofc yivi worded it much better). I'm as disgruntled as anyone else but let's take this step by step, not in a single big sweep. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
If the edits are adding value... what's wrong with them? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rlee827
IMO I don't see a problem with this so long as this user isn't ignoring other problems that could be fixed at the same time. — rlee827 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Eh, the problem here is that if it is that mod, we know they have a history of flag declines I can only classify as weird. They go against meta policies, and policies established by the company, and we now have at least 5 posts (hopefully we can encourage other people affected to step forward as well to get the full idea of what we're dealing with) that were handled by the same mod. What else would you suggest, rene? Suggest people to take to meta and put forward as much evidence as possible without linking it to previous cases? They are linked, at least two of the previous ones. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You can leave the links @Zoe for "possible related" but at least that last sentence need to be removed. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by duplode
Or, being more direct: "I have started to believe that this is targeted decline to active meta users and flaggers" should be removed because it is groundless and unconstructive. — duplode 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Makyen I have never used bash. From what I know it's the same concept as running commands in PowerShell but from what you're saying it sounds like it's more for single commands a la the Command Prompt. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe W
Looking at two of the pending edits and they are just changing code formating from the 4 spaces format to the tripple backtick one — Joe W 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kendra
Normally, I'm kinda "Meh, whatevs" on this kind of debate, but... George, doesn't your answer/decision here go 100% counter of the canon advice on NAA from Shog? Specifically, this line from "Your Answer Is In Another Castle": "If you see this, flag it. Moderators, if you see it flagged, delete it." (Emphasis mine.) Even if you wanted to give the answerer time to edit, why such a huge and abrupt departure from the usual advice, and from what everyone has expected for so long? As has been pointed out above, answerers can edit a deleted answer. I think an explanation of this would help. — Kendra 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@JoeW Then those are pointless edits, and should be rejected. — TylerH 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
The edits I see don't add syntax highlighting at all. The questions are already tagged with the language. The syntax highlighting is already in place. — Ivar 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe W
I am a sort of surprised he is still able to edit with all the ones that where rejected on the first page — Joe W 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@kendra Help how? Will I suddenly get upvotes and apologies for how I've been treated? — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kendra
Upvotes and apologies? Doubtful, as is unfortunately the nature of the beast called human. Help with understanding the whole situation and getting people off your back? Maybe, and I hope so. As far as I'm concerned, you're just trying to do your volunteer work. All that's baffled me enough about it to say something is the fact this action counters the cannon advice. Personally, I think people are taking things a bit far already, and just hoping a bit more explanation from you might help clear things up and get them to back off. — Kendra 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
I appreciate Undo's take on the "gibberish is abusive" problem, if you haven't seen it yet it's here. — Andras Deak 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@Zoe whatever you might think there's no way not to take offense at "I don't trust you". — Andras Deak 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kendra
There's no per day limit, just an at-one-time limit for edits, unless I missed a change. — Kendra 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"Nothing is further from the truth" - you used your own deletion vote, and there were pending flags left. If all were declined, it wouldn't be hidden with the spam filter thingy, and if you cast a spam flag, it would be nuked by Community. It's not an unreasonable assumption, and one you haven't proved with anything but your word, which I honestly don't trust (no offense intended). You adding evidence for the flags on this post, but not on the comment also seems suspicious. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kendra
And apologies if my first comment seemed abrupt or brisk- I was running out of character space and had to try to make it fit. — Kendra 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@AndrasDeak Thanks for sharing that. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Zoe It might be targetting if I handled the same flag differently depending on who raised it; but as you can see from my screenshot that isn't the case. I had my own internal logic for handling flags; and it harkens back to this blog post from 2012: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/160754/… Continuing to say you're being targetted just creates a conflict where none exists, at least not from my perspective. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@AndrasDeak there's a difference between not trusting an uncited statement, and not trusting a person when there's one cited statement (proving it's technically possible), but one that's attempted dismissed isn't. I see your point though, but I can't think of a different way to put that. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
I'd suspect chaching delays. — πάντα ῥεῖ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker no, I see a screenshot from a different post. That doesn't prove anything about the other post. I never said I was targeted, I said if it's the case that my flag was singled out while others were marked helpful, it would be targeting. You're holding all the evidence here, not sharing it doesn't prove or disprove the statements of either side. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Zoe you marked it as spam; it wasn't spam. I quoted the SE post as to why it shouldn't have been flagged as spam. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mathieu Guindon
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't think the rep history trace involves caching though. Also, it's well over 48 hours and 2 recalcs later. — Mathieu Guindon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mathieu Guindon
Also last I remember, the "removed" adjustment was pretty much instant. — Mathieu Guindon 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Zoe you raised the only spam flag on that post. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
Thanks for your answer, it has my upvote since it shows the most important issue, caring and trying to follow community consensus — Petter Friberg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker There were other flags too, which judging by the fact that it's hidden as spam, were validated. I've said this several times now, if you don't see that, that's on you. Whether it's spam or not isn't the question, but the state of the rest of the flags is. You keep dragging this over to other topics, so if you're so interested in hiding it, what other reason could there be? — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
OK, fair point. — πάντα ῥεῖ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
(This is probably designed this way to avoid vote fraud). In order to be fair in this case, Mathieu would not only gain +2 for removing a post that was downvoted, but then also have to lose the +30 from the three upvotes in already accrued on the post. — TylerH 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mathieu Guindon
@TylerH TBH what I expected was the old +30 to stick and the new -2 to go, but eh. — Mathieu Guindon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
... and you're enforcing R/A on gibberish, and declining spam flags? Y'know, if you said that in the answer in plain text, I wouldn't have to ask. That being said: meta.stackexchange.com/q/307259/332043 meta.stackoverflow.com/a/345333/6296561Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@DavidHeffernan I've posted these comments in the mod chatroom and pinged Shog. It's something we should address as a team. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kendra
@Zoe Per that first post you linked, using the correct flag is important. The answer this question asks about is gibberish, and therefore an abuse of the system, hence an abusive flag. But it's not spam per our sites definitions. So, not sure what your continued point is for pestering George? (It also therefore contradicts your second post...) — Kendra 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Kendra The user whose post was flagged as a new contributor and I wanted to help them out. If I had marked helpful / deleted the post that wouldn't have been very helpful. I left it to give them an opportunity to resolve it without their post being deleted. — George Stocker ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
@Kendra According to this answer, spam flags on gibberish are okayweegee 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kendra
@weegee That answer, however, contradicts the answer by Animusion (a SO Team member) in Zoe's first link. It is also more of a "want" answer from a normal community member. (As awesome of a member as Art may be, they're still only a normal member.) — Kendra 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Kendra I'm working off incomplete data. If I don't get data to prove or disprove my statement, I'll keep asking. That last comment was enough. The reason I'm asking George in the first place is because he's involved in this specific incident (because asking some other mod in chat or in a flag is just awkward when there's a meta discussion). — Zoe 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Yes, that answer by a non-moderator or community manager... — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
@GeorgeStocker but it is sure accepted, upvoted so the community agrees. I take that as a reference, not the fact that the answer was posted by a moderator or a community manager. Comparing qualifications doesn't help much here — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker ArtofCode has two diamonds on other sites and the post has support by the community. Isn't that good enough? — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@weegee you could write a question that says "what days should moderators moderate?" and Zoe could write an answer that says "only on mondays" and you could accept it and people could upvote it. It doesn't make it binding. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Zoe I'm saying that it takes a bit more than just upvotes to make something 'the answer', especially if it conflicts with an older answer by an established authority: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/260638/…George Stocker ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
Are mods and CMs listening to the community's voice now? Or just act as they want? — double-beep 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Okay, so just to be abundantly clear, what you're saying is: unless it came from an on-site mod or a CM, it ain't valid? — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
Part of the problem is Bhargav and I handled a great portion of these flags and I'm now on a break. So other mods are more active in handling flags, so there is an inconsistency. @BhargavRao and I have discussed handling these flag types at length and I changed my flag handling style to be more in line with his, as he made good sense on the issue. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@weegee I'm being completely serious. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
@GeorgeStocker Don't troll us, please. The answer has clear upvotes and is accepted. Those votes are not a joke. They are enough to govern that the content is right or wrong — weegee 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kendra
@Zoe You assume you're working off incomplete data. Honestly, having read through this entire chain three times over already, I'm not sure what else you think George needs to provide to prove his innocence here. It feels like you're judging his actions on these flags in bad faith, even though he admits that for most of the declines in question, he made a mistake born out of lack of knowledge. George has been ganged up on a lot lately, and for someone who volunteers there time to help clean up garbage on this site, that's an awful way to thank him. — Kendra 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
So if a mod decides to overrule existing rules, that's fine, even if it's against the community? — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
Okay, you want to judge according to the people and not the content? The thread I linked and which to @GeorgeStocker do not agree with meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/345332/… Check the comments below Brad (a moderator) commented that that's how they moderate. — weegee 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
It's not our fault somehow, that is the thread, it's in front of you and it clearly tells the mods mark spam flags on gibberish answers, helpful. We take that as a reference. — weegee 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Kendra I was finished with that 23 minutes ago (as in my original claim is wrong). George didn't do anything wrong in that specific case. I also never accused him of anything, I said if I was correct, that would be the case. But yeah, you're probably right on the bad faith part, mainly because of the way the previous discussion ended. I know several people who hold grudges for a really long time and let it affect the way they behave (recently stumbled over someone like that here on meta actually). I don't know George, so I made (wrong) assumptions, again, off incomplete data. — Zoe 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Louis
@Zoe George is not overriding any rules about spam. The posts people have cited only show that opinions vary as to how to handle rude/abusive flags vs spam flags, even among mods. There isn't a single party line from which George has somehow departed. You're looking for a level of moderation consistency that does not exist, and has not existed for as long as I've been here. — Louis 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
A heads up people. I disagree with George, but have done so respectively. Please avoid making personal attacks. It's understandable that people feel disempowered, but please be respectful. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Louis
@Zoe You've implied it. — Louis 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Louis that is unfortunately accurate. That's partly why I chuckle when people say "why don't you do what all the other moderators do" -> none of us moderate in exactly the same way or handle the same flag the same way in all circumstances. In fact, it'd be impossible to. We use our judgment and we take in the context of the situation; which sometimes leads to what you see above. — George Stocker ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Louis I never said that. That was a hypothetical, because it's nice to know whether my vote matters or not if something like that were to happen in the future. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Interestingly, @double-beep It'd be impossible to ask any moderator to be aware of all posts since even listed in this comment section and answer there are conflicting posts. — George Stocker ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Louis Not intentionally. We're already being overruled by SE, is it really that unreasonable to know whether mods could do the same? If I wanted to imply a specific case, I would've explicitly said that. — Zoe 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
As a general note regarding your answer: in your computer you don't press "download" to every app you find, but read carefully about it, right? Do the same before handling flags, please: read when they should be marked helpful and when declined, when you should take action and when not. There are hundred of FAQs both on MSE and here on MSO. I take the 2+ year period I stayed away from meta as an excuse. When you came back, you should have read everything about flag handling. TL;DR: It's not acceptable from a SO moderator to say I wasn't aware of {x} FAQ.double-beep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
You can change the state of the flag to disputed, I think, since mods have this ability. It has happened to me in Ask Ubuntu: I flagged a post as spam, mod thought it wasn't, disputed my already helpful spam flag and undeleted. — double-beep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@double-beep it's impossible for most people (Shog is one exception to this) to know everything about the site. I've gone off half cocked and blundered head first into mistakes with the best of intentions.. the main thing is to learn from this. The site has a lot of meta discussion about how to do things and it's sometimes easy to miss things. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@GeorgeStocker TBH, I am not so happy with the mod actions you did recently. Is it time to take a break? — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@George Are you threatening me here? — πάντα ῥεῖ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@double-beep yes I thought I could, but there's some type of change with the interface. I'm not sure if I've uninstalled a script or what I'm missing. I'll ask Shog. I am supposed to be on a break from the site (So I had uninstalled a lot of scripts.) , but feel the need to step in a little. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@πάνταῥεῖ If you feel like you should, sure. — George Stocker ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
I have edited my comment to clarify and I hope you have already caught the point. You also have some years of experience (more than some other mods). These cases (R/A flags) are very common and you should know how to act on them. — double-beep 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@πάνταῥεῖ What is giving you that impression? — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
I think there was a limit at a certain amount of posts per day (I don't remember the number, possibly 50?) for users without the editing privilege. Beyond that, the only limit is that you can't have more than 5 pending edits — Zoe 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@double-beep I spoke to a CM. I think it can only work if the flag has been marked as helpful and then cleared, it becomes disputed. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@George I just mentioned an observation that there might be seemingly bad moderation actions were observed from your site recently, and you're asking about that I should take a break instead. Or did I misunderstood anything about your reply? — πάντα ῥεῖ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
Hmmm... so what did Rob meant here? — double-beep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
mod note the discussion was deteriorating and going off the rails. I've temporarily locked the post to stop comments. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@πάνταῥεῖ no one is threatening you. I've cleared up those comments as the discussion was being derailed. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
Welcome back Yvette — Petter Friberg 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@double-beep ikr! I am missing a script I'm sure. It's 5.49am here, I'll ping Rob for when he wakes up :D — Yvette Colomb ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@PetterFriberg thanks :) I'm trying not to handle flags, as I'm uber busy IRL. I just thought if I actually don't read the site it might be a totally different concern by the time I get back... and reading leads to talking and you know the rest :D — Yvette Colomb ♦ 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Heffernan
@Yvette Thanks. — David Heffernan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
George, it could have been converted to a comment by you - which would have left the information for the OP. I see no use in rewarding the person who left a link-only Answer by doing the work for them, and that person perhaps getting rep for it. That's sending the wrong signals. — Cindy Meister 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@double-beep done! — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
Thanks, that makes sense! — double-beep 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Just for good measure in case the comments on the answer get nuked: I was wrong. The decline targeted spam flags (because of a debatable policy saying gibberish must be flagged R/A, which later has been contradicted elsewhere, also not the point). Anyway, I never intended to accuse George of anything (but that seems to be the general perception). I did say "if that's the case". I worked off partial data and made some stupid assumptions. The evidence for the flagging status is in George's answer. — Zoe 1 min ago
 
8:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
related guidance at MSE: Why don't we treat rubbish the same as spam? "The problem folks have with these is that they see the pile of nonsense and try to extract meaning from it... This is an utter waste of time. There is no meaning to the post! ...pick the flag that speaks to you. I'm partial to "rude or abusive", because enough of them immediately delete and lock the post, which is handy in those rare scenarios where someone's flooding the site with a lot of these..." — gnat 48 secs ago
 
9:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JBC
For what it's worth @GeorgeStocker, I appreciate what you guys do and what you put up with. — JBC just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by duplode
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@tweray wink winkJL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
An uninstall problem with a programming tool like [anaconda] is on-topic. Basic issue I see here is that you got way too many views from people that don't know beans about [anaconda]. That doesn't slow them down to vote, or call in the help of a chat room filled with people that don't know beans either, or invoke the help of a moderator that doesn't eat beans, or get a room owner to respond that serves meta beans. Always easy to find people that don't know the answer. It is important to limit the number of tags you add to the question, you don't want their help. — Hans Passant 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@Cerbrus Yes. I did. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"I even participated in one" - Do you mean you voted? — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Can someone please explain the downvotes here? I know this information is elsewhere, but it will be useful in the FAQ. — JL2210 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
As it is right now, this question isn't exactly in FAQ format. It's a personal experience... I'm also not convinced we need a FAQ entry for this, as the election process is already well explained on the election pages... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
Just downvote 3 shitty answers and you're back to a nice multiple of 5. :) — Cris Luengo 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@Cerbrus Any suggestion on how to improve? — JL2210 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
Not only is it in the wrong language, it's not an answer. It says "I have followed the same tutorial and have the same problem, did you manage to solve it?" — Cris Luengo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ
This is a discussion "question." — noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
This just seems open-ended. Also, the n at the end of your username is upside-down (if you view the display upside down to view your username). — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
What do you want to discuss then? I only see an announcement? — rene 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
OK, that's nice to know, but what are you asking us? You still have to be asking something. — JL2210 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ
@JL2210 description for tag discussion: A tag for questions that may not necessarily have a clear-cut right or wrong answer and often subjective. " — noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by joanis
Thank you for the feedback. I see the spree stopped, maybe the ban took effect. As the primary message, what I'm taking here is that I should review each edit for its own merit, and trust the ban to kick in when there is a problem. — joanis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
More than likely, the code edit is what got this edit thrown out. — Kevin B 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You can only ask a question about your question here. — rene 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by enharmonic
Reviewer names are obscured to help focus the discussion on the process as opposed to the individual reviewers; I'm happy to link to the original question or include the reviewers in the discussion if that would be helpful. — enharmonic 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by joanis
As for editing old posts, I can't find it now, but I remember reading advice that said editing old posts had the side effect of bringing them back front on the issues lists (when sorted by activity), so they should only be done if a significant improvement was done. I've taken from that advice that typos or small presentation changes should not be done on old posts, only sizable edits. As as result, I tend to accept tiny or small edits on recent posts but reject them on older ones. Do you agree with that approach? — joanis 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Look like you need to ask a new question but please read and apply the check listrene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@joanis If someone is editing a ton of stuff all at once, yes, it's bad because it can flood the tag view of that tag with outdated questions (though I also think it's not too much to ask users to put some effort into reading dates and clicking a few buttons to get to the questions they want to see). However, 1-3 questions at at a time (e.g. a day) is not problematic even for low-traffic tags. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by enharmonic
@KevinB I added clarification that it was an answer rather than a question that was edited, and linked to meta guidance re: "When should I make edits to code?". — enharmonic just now
 

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