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12:40 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
Ping. Ping. Ping. — JL2210 29 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Brock Adams
Re: "I have no idea why." Then you can put it back?! The SQL gets nasty the way it is right now (and liable to timeout SEDE). — Brock Adams 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
Are you sure that you want to ask about this specific post? Or did you want to do something else? — JL2210 just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
Side note: Adding a TL;DR to this question may convince people to read all of it. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BACON
@JL2210 Good point on the TL;DR since I already had a paragraph that worked for that. I'm not understanding what else you're supposing I might have wanted to do? It is that specific post that sparked this question for me, though here I've just simplified the terms to X and Y so it can be discussed in more general terms. Should I not have used a direct link or the specific-answer tag? — BACON 46 secs ago
 
1:26 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makyen
While I think the goal here of not having questions uselessly in the reopen queue is really good, I don't feel what's proposed in this question is the right way to obtain that goal. I think that what TylerH mentions in their answer (and which has been proposed at various times elsewhere) is a much better solution. I don't believe I've ever seen an edit by a 3rd party, who can't also vote to reopen, change a question sufficiently such that it should be reopened. It'd be better to just not have 3rd party edits automatically put questions in the reopen queue. — Makyen 58 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pedro Lobito
@Trilarion I cannot see any tracking cookie or affiliate id being added to the URL during redirection. — Pedro Lobito just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makyen
The Metas describing what edits put questions in the reopen queue are: Which edits push closed questions to the reopen review queue? and Lots of questions in the reopen queue. The main difference from what you've said is that tag-only edits don't put the question in the reopen queue. The edit must be to the body, not just the title and/or tags. — Makyen 46 secs ago
 
2:08 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0: (1 2 3 4 5) — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
2:18 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
I fixed the tags on that question. For asm, callstack exists separate from stack data structures. (So does stack-pointer, but I don't think we need yet another tag, it should maybe be a synonym for callstack). Anyway, reading a dword from somewhere above ESP and then restoring ESP isn't a pop operation at all And the danger comes from moving ESP upwards, not from the pop itself. Thus abi and red-zone are appropriate (because of the lack of a red-zone in any 32-bit x86 ABI that would make this safe). — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@duplode: you recently retagged several asm pop questions. If you're doing any more later, please have a look at what tags are left and make sure it includes an ISA; some posters forget the existence of non-x86 assembly and don't tag x86 or x86-64. Also IMO we should be changing [stack] to [callstack] for asm questions, unless they're about a stack data structure. Or removing it when it's a pretty basic question about how the ISA works at all. (I updated the community wiki answer with this guidance for asm.) — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
 
2:42 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@bergi You have my vote there :) — Jonas Wilms 26 secs ago
 
3:04 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
@PeterCordes All [assembly] + [pop] questions have been retagged, and you have caught all of the ISA-less ones. I guess I should have had a look at the [assembly] excerpt before handling those. Replacing [stack] on those questions did cross my mind, though I didn't risk attempting it then. Changing it [callstack] as you describe does makes sense. — duplode 10 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
Some questions will be too broad everywhere in SE, while others might be a good fit in some other site (see the suggested question for some possibilities). In any case, always check the guidance of the relevant site before posting your first question. (By the way, Meta isn't an appropriate place for that; it is meant for questions about Stack Overflow itself and how to make best use of it, in the vein of this very question.) — duplode 42 secs ago
 
 
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4:20 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
It's not militant, just reasonably scoped and curated. You may feel that it's this way because you probably haven't seen stackoverflow.com/help/dont-askSamuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
4:40 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
If you look at the user profile, it says "CEO at Piio". It was spam (see bottom of the image: "deleted as spam or offensive") — Modus Tollens 48 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andronicus
Still don't understand. This is an attempt to answer, right? Affiliation automatically implies spam? — Andronicus 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
It was posted without revealing that the user was affiliated, so yes, is spam. It would also be condidered spam if the user posts links to their own products frequently, even with disclosure. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andronicus
Ok, so I'm banned for more than 4 months, can anything be done anout it? The case is not obvious... — Andronicus 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
See How not to be a spammer: "However, you must disclose your affiliation in your answers." — Modus Tollens 7 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
If a post does look ok, but is in the Low Quality review queue and links to a product - that's a red flag. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Were the posts edited based on insights gained from comments? If yes, they could have been flagged as "no longer needed". — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by John Rees
@ModusTollens Yes the answer was edited due to comments, so I understand now. Thanks. Also, I'm afraid I must really misunderstand Meta, since I got a downvote so quick. Is this really not a Meta question? — John Rees 54 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by cdabel
So many developers work late into the night on dark-themed IDEs, only to switch to SO and be temporarily blinded Regardless of using blue-light filters and dimmed screens, it's still very jarring. I think a dark-theme would be highly welcomed by the community and could even increase usage. — cdabel 16 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andronicus
Ok, I get it now, thank you — Andronicus 35 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Sometimes downvotes on meta mean that users disagree, maybe that was the reason here. In my opinion it's a valid meta question. — Modus Tollens 8 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andronicus
Actually there is one more question, @ModusTollens. Do you know, how is the ban time calculated? I did get banned already, but not throughout the last month. — Andronicus 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Andronicus There is some information about ban time in this post: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/256231/1288408Modus Tollens 52 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
your current (7th) review ban is 128 days, because you have previously hit the 2,4,8,16,32,64 durations. I recommend if you fail any review audit in future, stop reviewing for 15 days. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andronicus
Alright, I get it now. Thank you guys! — Andronicus 47 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
The comments were flagged as "no longer needed" after the post was edited. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by John Rees
@SamuelLiew Thanks. I'm not concerned with those particular comments. It was intended to be a general question about accepted practice. — John Rees 44 secs ago
 
5:48 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
i think the first comment is meant as a joke, playing on the conundrum presented in the question... — Cindy Meister 35 secs ago
 
6:06 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by StoryTeller
No, they should not be comments. They do answer the question. They may not do so in a way you find useful, so it's your prerogative to vote on that, but they make an honest attempt at an answer nonetheless. — StoryTeller 1 min ago
 
6:18 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@SamuelLiew s/haven't seen/didn't bother to read/ — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
 
6:42 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by John Rees
I just don't understand the negativity to this genuine question. Could some people give me some constructive advice about why this question is so unpolular instead of simply voting? — John Rees 47 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Comments have always been second class citizens, easily deleted. The policy has not changed here. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Catnaps909
Please comment explaining down votes thank you. Down votes without explanation only further entrench the sentiment that this place has become a gated community where 'eccentric geniuses' flex on regular people. — Catnaps909 52 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by B.Letz
The question is: Do we want serial-port only to represent the RS232 standard (by the way RS232 is a synonym of this tag). — B.Letz 56 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lundin
@ModusTollens It's not really possible to disagree with a question... "no, I don't agree that you are asking this" or what? — Lundin 15 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cœur
And we would finally be allowed to edit "On hold" questions. :) — Cœur 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Lundin "No, it is not now common to delete most comments" — Modus Tollens 40 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
It reads a bit passive-aggressive which we, the 0,015% of SO users that visit meta, have had enough of that tone in posts in the last 6 to 8 months. On top of that, glancing over your question you seem to suggest that comments shouldn't be so easily deleted. The consensus on that point is different. So some votes certainly try to tell future visitors: comments are to be purged at any time, rather sooner then later. — rene 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by John Rees
@rene Fair enough. It was not intended to be passive-aggressive, although I agree it included my opinion. Thanks. o-o — John Rees 25 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lundin
@ModusTollens That's not disagreement, that's an opinion-based answer to the question. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Omnifarious "Name one where people will actually get a decent answer to their question." - books, tutorials, articles on the fundamentals of programming for beginners. There - three sources that aren't SO that can answer questions not suitable for SO. Not every single question, sure, but there are a lot of questions about people basically asking how to do a for loop or something equally simple yet requires a lot of explanation, since they haven't covered the basics. You can't really say "loop over the array and do X" to somebody who doesn't know what an array is or how to write a loop. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I have had a few occasions where I've found somebody asked an XY question with my problem as X and people answered with Y. It's really infuriating, since I might then find other questions closed as a dupe to that one. It's even worse if the X refers to some bad practice while Y is doing it "the proper way", yet Y is not an option for my circumstances. Personally, if I find an XY question I try not to answer for Y unless OP rephrases the question, at least. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Maybe some of the down votes are due to the tone of your question? Not everyone might read it as a sincere invitation for a fruitful exchange of ideas. If we forget the 1st paragraph all that is left is a duplicate. no research is also on Meta a reason for down votes, just like it is on main. — rene 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
Well, the tag looks useful, it just needs some wiki edits. If there are very less views on the questions and it has very less number of questions and other things then that doesn’t mean, a tag should be burninated — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Lundin Look, I don't want to argue, I'm just telling you how some users vote differently on meta. I didn't and I don't agree it should be done on this question. I just mentioned it as a possibility. — Modus Tollens 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
What’s the first thing you get when you search for inverse match? a SO regex question. I think the tag is quite clear in its terms. It just needs a fresh wiki, no need to burninate — weegee 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
I'm not too hot on the downvotes on this. Yes, there's a duplicate, but george clearly put the extra mile in for this user. While we can't guarantee someone will be able to for every user, why downvote it when someone takes the time? Feels backwards. The advice here is clearly appropriately tailored to the user in question to have value beyond what the duplicate already offers. — Magisch 1 min ago
 
7:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zach Smith
Ah - thank you. A friend also pointed me to the NPM download count: npm-stat.com/…Zach Smith 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
"only the first edit after a question is closed will do so" IIRC if that person has not voted to close. If someone voted to close the question and then does cosmetic fixes, the question is not bumped into the queue. — Adriaan 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@CindyMeister preventing <2k rep users from editing closed questions is one thing, another is them suggesting an edit before closure, which is not resolved before the question is put on hold. What should we do with those? Auto-reject seems harsh, since it might be a good edit. — Adriaan 9 secs ago
 
8:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catnaps909
@rene Thanks. Unfortunately after following the suggestions in duplicate post I received down votes for asking in the right place also (with no explanation, and a comment for explanation deleted), it hasn't been flagged, so I guess it's community sentiment more than a SE rule in that place. I appreciate SE's guidelines, it's unfortunate there's certain knowledge gaps the community is unwilling to fill. I hadn't actually seen dont-ask but on reading I probably would have posted the original topic anyway as it was a fairly basic ask about trying to get a specific result. Unfortunate. — Catnaps909 1 min ago
 
8:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Schremser
"...a very competent programmer, who stays away from here because of how people here treat questions. He's been struggling to find a forum to have professional conversations that aren't full of complete idiots who think they know way more than they do" To be blunt: maybe the way people here treat questions is the reason for the lack of said idiots. — Thomas Schremser 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gman
@Carl, When someone asks 15 to 20 questions over 4 days, all of which were easily answerable if they just read some docs or tutorials on the topic question they're being a help vampire. We aren't here to be your personal tutors or manual references. — gman 1 min ago
 
8:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Possible duplicate of How is this a bad answer?gnat 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It is hard to fill gaps. We're trying to do our best, that is all we can do. — rene 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4
It is not uncommon to have people coming to Meta to ask why their comments are gone. Here is another example, and the answer within also seems to apply here. — E_net4 27 secs ago
 
8:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It looks like you placed this edit in the wrong question. — yivi 27 secs ago
 
9:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Przemyslaw Remin
@BDL Please see my edits. — Przemyslaw Remin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Iain Samuel McLean Elder
@Luuklag Done. Is it the right one? Sorry, I'm very out of the loop here. This question is 5 years old! — Iain Samuel McLean Elder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Przemyslaw Remin
@KevinB No. The lack of accepted answer leaves you only to conjectures. Part of the OPs who were programmers yesterday are cooks today (they are not interested), part of the OPs do not accept an answer as a rule (especially newbees with only one question posted - there are milion such questions with good answer being not accepted, part of the OPs may pass away... Not accepted answer = guesses and assumptions. — Przemyslaw Remin 1 min ago
 
9:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
What exactly is your question? It's not a good answer. Did you flag and downvote? — BDL 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
We simply should down and close vote the question and remove the whole thing as useless. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Secespitus
There is a close reason specifically for "This problem can no longer be reproduced". That seems appropriate for this case. — Secespitus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Marijn " (i.e., you should divide view count by question 'age')" This would assume that interest in the question remained constant. But the hypothesis is here that interest in the field may have changed over time. We just don't have the time evolution of the views. — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
10:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luuklag
@IainSamuelMcLeanElder. Yes thanks a lot! Shows that the community comes to them eventually ;) — Luuklag 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"It's not that I'm complaining about my comments being deleted, just asking about policy." The question does not show much research effort. Did you do anything to try to find out what the comment deletion policy is currently? I actually upvoted, but only because it was downvoted so much. — Trilarion 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
How is it acceptable? Well, it isn't - there are no upvotes so the community doesn't find values in it. If you're asking why was it accepted - OP did it. OP accepted their own answer. They probably shouldn't have but they also have rather low activity on the site - 10 posts in total, so they might not be very well versed in the proper etiquette. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
...also, your comment about alternatives looks somewhat incomplete. Another way is for user to get 50 rep and explain proposed improvement in comments, from where it can be further picked up by asker or 2K users (this approach is relatively popular at meta sites where suggested edits are disabled) — gnat 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
I am confised. According to this explanation only edits made within 5 days of closure push to reopen queue. Consider editing to clarify whether your proposal involves edit suggestions made after 5 days (despite them being harmless) or not — gnat 42 secs ago
 
10:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
...^^^ it is important to note that answering like that is not the only way out here (otherwise I would just vote up and be done with it). Other way would be as mentioned by @rene above - moderator just comments with a list of links and OP takes it from there - and in case if they need they can further ask about specific questions from that list. Further analysing questions in cases like that would be very different in that it wouldn't need moderator involvement at all - when there is a link, all details can be provided by asker or by 10K readers — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@Magisch well to me voting on this was mainly driven by the fact that only moderators can do such answers - because it involves analyzing a list of deleted questions which is available only to moderators. Voting up would mean I encourage spending moderator efforts like that and down would mean that I am against this. I believe this is important and recommend other voters to take this into account — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4
This might be a similar effect of some people wondering "why so many downvotes": a false perception of scale. Even multiplying 100k by 26 moderators makes 2.6 million comments, which is significantly less than the number of comments posted in 2018 alone (approx 8.2 million). — E_net4 1 min ago
 
11:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
On the first spot I've thought that I failed an audit :-) :-) :-) — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
I believe this would be better off as tag usage guidance below the SQL tag wiki. Except... it is already there stackoverflow.com/tags/sql/info. Overall, tag wiki is a better place to use than meta, for these kind of tag-specific guidelines. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@JohnRees The terminology "passive agressive" is often used argument against unpleasant truths, and is only rarely fair. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AGuyCalledGerald
@Don't panic I am sure you are not wrong. This is more a matter of conduct, etiquette. — AGuyCalledGerald 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Net neutrality movement? What? — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4
Comments can be removed even when they are completely kind and on-topic. They might just be no longer relevant or too chatty. — E_net4 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
@Trilarion if [graphql] questions from 2015 have, let's say, 200 views per year on average, and questions from august 2018 have 100 views on average, wouldn't that imply that interest in the [graphql] tag (and it's questions) has decreased? Because if (average) interest in questions is constant then they both would be 200, if it is not constant then there must be a peak somewhere to increase the average of the earlier questions, and this peak would not be recent because then it would also affect newer questions, so the peak indicates interest that was there once but is now lost. — Marijn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
(assuming that intrinsic interestingness/usefulness of questions has not changed over the years, which may be a false assumption, in which case the reason for lower view counts is not interest in the technology but quality of the questions) — Marijn 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pu&#233;rtolas Luis
Just google it. — Puértolas Luis 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pu&#233;rtolas Luis
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@PuértolasLuis: That's not what Net Neutrality means. You should really read the Wikipedia article. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4
Actually, net neutrality refers to internet service providers making distinctions on how they should provide access to data depending on the data itself. Stack Overflow is a private company, so it's in their right not to keep certain kinds of messages (hence, a different mechanism). Still, this is only part of the story, as stated in my previous comment: comments can be removed even if they don't have a strong political message. — E_net4 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@PuértolasLuis: You gave an MIT article that did not mention net neutrality... — BDL 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pu&#233;rtolas Luis
Mate, I give you an MIT article and you tell me to go to Wikipedia? Come on. — Puértolas Luis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pu&#233;rtolas Luis
I said "net neutrality movement" not "net neutrality", this is why you are talking about something else. — Puértolas Luis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
That example question you just edited in is over 60 days old. It can't be migrated by moderators or anyone else for that matter. That 60 days constraint is mentioned in the answer on the duplicate. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
I don't understand why you're bringing "offensive/racist/supremacist comments" into this. Nobody here is suggesting that OP's comments were offensive, and there's absolutely no evidence to indicate that. — F1Krazy 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pu&#233;rtolas Luis
Because this is very recent, a year ago most comments, and the most voted comments where offensive. Not in StackOverflow perhaps but in social media and the news. Yet the question does not specify where this is happening. — Puértolas Luis 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@PuértolasLuis: If the question does not ask about an SO comment (which it did, op even provides the link to the question were it happened), then it would be off-topic. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pu&#233;rtolas Luis
Ok, I see. Well, I blame AI banning algorithms. They are not perfect. — Puértolas Luis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
"the question does not specify where this is happening" - yes it does. Right in the very first line. "I recently participated in a brief comment stream on this answer: [link]" — F1Krazy 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zigojacko
It is specifically about a framework though. I think that is not allowed on the Wordpress SE (like any theme/plugin questions)? — zigojacko 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Important to note the questions should be geared towards developing inside/with wordpress; and not "How do I cross-publish tweets to wordpress?" — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
I would rather see a system where edits by non-OP do not bump a closed question into the reopen queue. Does this include 2K+ users as well? — NathanOliver 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by James K Polk
Isn't this what TylerH is proposing? This would be an acceptable solution. — James K Polk 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by James K Polk
As an aside, this is my first question on Meta, indeed my first question on the entire site. — James K Polk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@JamesKPolk I'm not sure. When I read I would rather see a system where edits by non-OP do not bump a closed question into the reopen queue. to me that includes everyone, not just suggesters. I've left a comment to get clarification. — NathanOliver 1 min ago
 
1:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@NathanOliver By default, yes, but easy to tweak to just be sub-2k. That decision should probably rely on statistics though. — TylerH 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Pratt
I concur. The 3 vote threshold seems optimal. Still requires some consensus, but actually gets bad questions closed instead of languishing with 3 or 4 close votes. — Chris Pratt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
How is this different from the other answer? — JL2210 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@TylerH Okay. I just wanted to confirm to make sure our answers were actually different. — NathanOliver 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@JL2210 Right now the other answer proposes that all edits after closure will not put the question into the reopen queue. This answer would do that just for edit suggestions. — NathanOliver 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@NathanOliver I didn't put a ton of effort into my own counter proposal due to 1) Shog's already being way better/more comprehensive and 2) the point of my answer being largely just to refute the suggestion put forward by OP. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@JL2210 I've done it multiple times myself. — NathanOliver 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
@NathanOliver OK, but will edits from 2K+ rep users still be able to improve the question to a point where it can be reopened without intervention by the OP? I honestly don't think so. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlene Vas
What have you tried? Please create a [Minimal, reproducable example] (stackoverflow.com/help/minimal-reproducible-example.com) — Charlene Vas 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Yes, but in the majority of cases (no MCVE, too broad, maybe some unclear), is it possible? There are thousands of questions on Stack Overflow, "multiple times" is a very small percentage of them. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
But that's not news... Look at the highest voted comments on there. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
No research is shown, no attempt at processing the data appears to have been made. SO is not a code writing service. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@JL2210 Not a good idea if the question was indeed an "XY problem". — Lundin 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
I disagree. Does OP have to prove that they don't know how to solve the problem before allowing people to answer? I understand what you're saying and I do agree but in this case, I'm pretty sure OP knows how to solve it in a particular way, they're asking what the alternative could be. — customcommander 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
An alternative would be to answer the old question with the correct answer. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
There are plenty of examples on SO where the highest voted answer isn't necessarily the best answer. I would be cautious before using a vote count as a measure of quality or good judgment in this particular situation. — customcommander 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"I'm pretty sure OP knows how to solve it in a particular way" so why hasn't he shown any attempts? — Cerbrus 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Well, yes. It's never a bad idea to provide a function example of what you want to do, if you want to do it a different way. — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
On the network? Not really; it's too broad, at the very least. — fbueckert 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JBC
Keep in mind that the concept of hovering is a desktop convention and not applicable to mobile. Hiding the url can often be unwanted in that situation. — JBC 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
Because that is not the point of this particular question. You're basically asking OP to post an example of what they don't want even though what OP doesn't want is pretty clear already. — customcommander 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
George, that comment contained 2 links, both are required to solve the 2 separate problems described in the questions. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Yea, but 8 upvotes on a comment that's not even a day old can't be ignored. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by User1973
Ok. I'll delete the question. — User1973 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@JohnRees: On the other hand, the user that is accused of being "passive-aggressive" often isn't the best judge of how that comment is perceived. "unpleasant truths" is rhetoric usually employed by the "aggressor" ;-) — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Askers don't have to prove they know how to solve the problem, @customcommander; if they did, they could self-answer. What askers do need to do is show that they're actually stuck somewhere when attempting to solve this. Dumping a task on SO and saying, "Do this for me" isn't a question; it's a work request. — fbueckert 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Trying to encourage people to ask more questions like this is only going to do one thing: make them hit the question ban that much faster. — fbueckert just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
If that question was a duplicate, closing it as such is the right thing to do. Thanks for your clarification. You answer may not be the most popular but it certainly looks fair to me. Thank you. — customcommander 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus Not when you first posted it. See my screenshot above. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
It certainly cannot you're right. But you must also taken into account that people also make bad judgments because they didn't read everything. Hence why there are tests in the reviewing queues. — customcommander 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@customcommander: Sure, people "make bad judgements". but that doesn't make the question not "too broad", or not a duplicate... That also doesn't make the comment or the votes on it "wrong". — Cerbrus 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Rees
TBH I came here to ask about stackoverflow practices rather than psychoanalysis. I think I’ll stick to the main site. This is too much of a minefield. — John Rees 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"A duplicate was posted in the comments" That's the comment I was talking about. That comment contained 2 links. Why would you think I was talking about my comment on this meta question? — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
"The suggested-edit and reopen queues are not overloaded" -- I would argue against that. There just always seems like more material there, and we can only go through 20 each day. — JL2210 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
I think we can all agree to respectfully disagree on this. I believe there was a reason to be flexible in this particular case. I came to ask for clarification and had a satisfactory answer. Thank you all for your inputs; they make sense and I'll certainly take them into consideration next time. — customcommander 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
@JL2210 Sounds like we need to ask shog or someone on data about the % of 2K+ edits that get reopened. — NathanOliver 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Draken
@JBC In that case, you can tap and hold and view the link details, not quite as convenient, but possible — Draken 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus because you said "that comment" and I only referenced your meta comment in my post. I don't know who left the main question comment because it gets deleted when the post gets closed as a duplicate. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@JL2210 The stats (reopen, suggested-edits) are below 200 at the moment. This clearly shows that there is no overlasting. Why and how, it does not matter in this context - there is no reason to spare from what we have enough. — peterh 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Columbia
Are you question banned on the main site? — Robert Columbia 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Currie
where is the mainsite ? — Ian Currie 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
The question being edited makes it a chameleon question, and is the hallmark of programming by SO. Those are usually bad questions. — fbueckert 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@GeorgeStocker Can't moderators view deleted comments? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
@SamuelLiew I'm part of the minority here, but I'd actually recommend clicking "Looks OK" on spam (and then later flagging it as spam), because of the way that the system handles review deletions: if the post gets deleted in review, the author will have the ability to undelete it and restore the spam without leaving any trace, and a "Looks OK" review will help reduce the chances of that happening. On my main site (Meta.SE), I've had multiple spam posts deleted in review that I've later had to flag and ask for the review deletion to be changed to a spam deletion so the author can't undelete. — gparyani 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Short answer: it depends. When you can explain the fundamental misunderstandings in a question without needing to write a book, then sure go ahead and please do that. It that would require too much text, then keep it basic, we can't teach everything here. "should I give just a working solution or should I also explain what was wrong and how my proposed answer works?", please always the latter. Code-only answers aren't forbidden, but frowned upon. — Tom 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"or anyone who has permission to do it." Only moderators, employees, and comment owners can delete comments. — Cerbrus 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"Also close votes should require a constructive comment that is visible to asker and explains how to improve the question." When a question is closed, the reason is right there in the closure notification, along with suggestions on how to fix the question. — Cerbrus 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Question closing is SO's primary quality control mechanism. It's not "friendly" or "unfriendly". It's just the site's mechanics. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
So that people don't leave snarky comments. Not so we don't close or downvote their posts. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe Harris
^ So why do we add the "{User} is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct." box? — Joe Harris 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
I guess this would work for large tags. For smaller tags, it is not uncommon that there are non (or only very few) gold badge holder. But especially in these tags, closing questions is hardest. — BDL 47 secs ago
 
3:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@bergi it went through the reopen review queue ... and wasn't reopened ... But it's open now ... — Jonas Wilms 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Stack Overflow does have a tag called language-agnostic if the language doesn't matter to you. However, with that being said, I'm not sure how wise it is to ask for someone to give suggestions using a language you don't know. — TylerH 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
No problem; this has been migrated. — gparyani 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Tom That'd be a great thing to post as an answer here instead of a comment. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chelmy88
@Tom Tanks for sharing your opinion — Chelmy88 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BACON
"Would your response to the question be different if it were, say, 1 year old instead of 11?" and "Would I have a case that asking the same thing in a new question would not be a duplicate?" were going to be my "bonus questions" at the end, but I figured I'd stick to the one-question-per-question norm. I am surprised to see the author's own answer get deleted because it was the only one that could definitely say "This is the solution", plus it included some performance numbers as well, but I guess the feeling is it didn't add any more information than simply accepting the other answer would? — BACON 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
To point out the issue with the framing of the question here another way -- the suggested edit already got a review, and the review resulted in rejection of the edit. — TylerH 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Cerbrus and there is the list with "trigger" words that make comments go poof with one or a couple of flags. — rene 25 secs ago
 
3:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
"It's a good question" No! We get hundreds of these questions of that kind. I once answered these type of questions and often I ended up either explaining all the js fundamentals or applying more requirements than originally specified by the OP. We have to require a minimum effort here, to make sure that the OP will be able to adapt and work with the answers, and that the answers are at all helpful. From the answers given you can see that the only consequence of reopening were a few really bad answers that help no one at the end. I agree with the dupevote though. — Jonas Wilms 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ethan Field
At its core, Stack Overflow is not a place for beginners to come and learn the fundamentals of any language. It is a place for users to come and ask concise and answerable questions about a single topic and receive an answer. If this answer involves the explanation of some fundamentals either as part of the explanation or as an aside and does not go into so much detail that the focus of the answer is shifted away from the focus of the question and more importantly, the answerer is willing to delve deeper, then I see no issue with this. I've gone into considerable depth on occasion. — Ethan Field 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Columbia
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
A couple of edits will push you over the edge, and Bob's your uncle. — fbueckert 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
Dear VtC reviewers, CMS means: "content management system", like Joomla, Wordpress, Liferay and so on. I can only hope that the close votes happened from users knowing well this abbreviation, although it is hard for me to really believe it. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ethan Field
There are a number of ways to contribute to the site to get started. Asking high quality, well-reseached questions. Answering those high quality, well-researched questions. Editing posts to improve them and help the rest of the community. Please also remember that they are called privileges because they are privileges and not rights. — Ethan Field 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scott Hannen
If we never taught or explained, the answer to countless questions would be, "No, absolutely don't do that." — Scott Hannen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BACON
@CindyMeister Aha, now I see. I think I was so focused on XY answers I wasn't entertaining the possibility of XY comments existing. Perhaps that could make for a new question... — BACON 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chelmy88
Thank for your opinions, as @KevinB pointed out, similar discussion already exists (I did not find it before asking) — Chelmy88 10 secs ago
 
4:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Salman A
There is almost always one large tag for each question. — Salman A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
There's also the possibility of adding a comment to the answer explaining what you perceive the problem with the code to be. This can prompt an edit to fix the problem, or a comment back on why it isn't one. — 1201ProgramAlarm 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
Its not clear, what this answer wants. While you disagree that the system should not be more strict but you dont want to accept edits from people who have a bad history. If they have a bad history and they provide a meaningful edit then what? Can you gurrantee that every edit by a user who’s history is bad is always bad? — weegee 57 secs ago
 
4:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@JL2210 Answered in the answer :). — Heretic Monkey 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zixuan
@Erich I am very sorry because I received a second answer and I can't accept 2 answers at once (because they are both good) so I had to choose one of them. — zixuan 1 min ago
 
4:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@RobertLongson don't look now but two people answered it. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@peterh There are lots of potential questions about CMS I can envisage. Some would be on-topic, some wouldn't. Without more details this question can't be answered. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@GeorgeStocker one of the pointed to the help centre which you could pretty much do with half the questions here. Not sure that's addressing the specifics of things. Your answer is much better and might be what the OP is looking for or it might not. Perhaps your mind reading equipment is simply better than mine. — Robert Longson 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@RobertLongson The question could be correctly answered by saying that they are ok, but they should be about their programming (and not, for example, about their usage). — peterh 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@weegee It is not clear, what your comment wants. My answer is clear. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
We'd be able to be much more helpful if we had a sample question or two wouldn't we though? At least I'd like to hope so. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
5:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PProteus
That seems arbitrary. — PProteus 1 min ago
 
5:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
"If a low-rep user suggests an edit, and it is an improvement, it should be accepted." - robo-reviewers approve all kinds of trash, including edits that should be rejected under policies established on meta. IIRC, and it might've been mentioned too, the post is only bumped to reopen review once. It's not really worth wasting that chance on a robo-reviewed edit imo. "The suggested-edit and reopen queues are not overloaded, we have enough reviewers." - We haven't been able to get it down to 0 in a long time. I'd argue we can keep it at bay, — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
but don't have enough reviewers to push the queue size down, and keep it there. We're reviewing backlogs, not brand new edits. VLQ used to hit 0 a while ago, but now it's relatively high up (I'm not sure what happened there tbh). Reopen isn't exactly low either. Relative to the CV queue, sure, but not really relative to the queue size. I suppose it depends on how much ages away instead of being reviewed. — Zoe 54 secs ago
 
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