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12:30 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by peterh
No, the Work Council (Bundesrat) has zero interest about the web forums used by the workers. They have near-zero interest on the communicaition/knowledge share things used by the teams (like sharepoint, jira, or SO teams). They have interest on their wage, mass lay-offs (Abbau) and similars. — peterh 23 secs ago
 
12:46 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
I have a display name: JL2210 and @MartijnPieters. — JL2210 34 secs ago
 
 
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2:26 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Phil
We don't want humor like the heisenbug tag, because humor is noise, but we're quite happy with humor like using the word burninate and imagry like Trogdor. Seems there's a bit of a double standard here. — Phil 31 secs ago
 
3:02 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by NobodyNada
@Phil Yes, there is a double standard. this is Meta, which is typically much more relaxed and has much more room for humor than the main site. — NobodyNada 18 secs ago
 
 
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4:56 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Some background information: Works councils in Germany (Wikipedia). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What about email (something that can potentially reach all if forwarded)? All receivers can see when it was send and for email threads, who responded and when. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What about email (something that can potentially reach all if forwarded)? All receivers can see when it was send and for email threads, who responded and when. And any kind of chat (Skype chat, Slack) reveals availability (essentially when you are at work, at meetings, etc.) and presumably time stamps. — Peter Mortensen 20 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Stats at the start of featuring: Q: +29/-2. A1 (Saying yes) +2/0. A2 (Saying yes) +3/0. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:38 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@Raedwald if you're talking about recent closed questions, the only way for them to get a delete vote is to have score under -3. When such a low score is deserved this means question looks worthy of a delete vote, and these can be cast by 20K users totally organically. The spike you observe seems to be merely a side effect of a running experiment that led to quicker closures of such questions - which also increases their chances to be discovered by 20Kers when they simply look for recent questions to answer — gnat 5 secs ago
 
5:52 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@jthill you might be interested in this ancient proposal. It addresses this by giving more votes to tag badge holders (since more active tags tend to have more badge holders, this essentially means more votes to such tags compared to less active ones) — gnat 1 min ago
 
6:06 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
...imagine you're a 20Ker looking for questions to answer in your tag and you come by a low quality queston at -3 or lower. Prior to experiment it would likely hang open, maybe with 1-2 close votes - so you'd simply move on (maybe casting a vote down / close). As of now, it is likely closed (or has 2 votes already so that you can close it). That makes it possible for you to cast a delete vote, why not — gnat 25 secs ago
 
6:20 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Magisch
@PeterMortensen I live in germany and last time I worked at a big corp there they were notoriously stingy with timestamps. No timestamps on the internal chat, and the email server would purge them on the way on internal emails. — Magisch 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
Something similar reported on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/q/332359/158100rene 20 secs ago
 
6:42 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Zoe
Dispute in review, but it was closed from outside the queue. Doesn't change your flag response, but disputed flags don't affect you negatively — Zoe 14 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
Please add a link to the question you flagged. — BDL 43 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick Parsons
@rene does seem to sound like the same issue. Seems as though this might be a mac related issue. — Nick Parsons 48 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Alexei
My company allows timestamps in e-mails, but generally it is hard get some working software that displays (can track internally and aggregate) users actions along with the timestamps. However, it is not clear if this is also a requirement for optional software (e.g. e-mail or JIRA are mandatory where I work, I intend to implement SO for Teams as fully optional). — Alexei 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Angel Syrus F
@Zoe Thanks for the response . But Can anyone change the disputed to helpful. — Angel Syrus F 8 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
We need the exact time of your flag but my guess is that your flag caused the Triage review and that outcome was Looks OK, disputing your flag: stackoverflow.com/posts/57550658/timelinerene 47 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Angel Syrus F
@BDL I added the link.Please check it. — Angel Syrus F 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
No, flag outcomes don't become helpful once disputed. — rene 7 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
Hover over the time, the tooltip will give you the UTC time — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Angel Syrus F
@rene Please check my screenshot it shows how many hours ago only. How do I get the exact time? — Angel Syrus F 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Angel Syrus F
Please check the question it put into hold from the last 45 minutes only and I flagged 1 hour ago. And now my flagging page showing 2 hours ago — Angel Syrus F 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
I linked you to the timeline, it has the timings in UTC as well but there are 3 reviews in the timeline. To reason about the order of events your rough estimate is not good enough — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Angel Syrus F
Here are the screenshots. Please check it imgur.com/a/biRW4oa , imgur.com/2QKBgyQAngel Syrus F 33 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
Those would be useful if the tooltip was showing: i.stack.imgur.com/UU8fJ.png ... — rene just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
I can confirm the disputed outcome was due to the triage review (simultaneous timestamps). — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Arnaud Claudel
Well, the two linked questions for duplication do not have any answer like the one of the * duplicated * question. One have a solution with only if / else which is exactly what the OP wanted to avoid. The other doesn't even have an accepted answer. And finally none of the answers uses Map and Predicate. — Arnaud Claudel 1 min ago
 
7:36 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andrew Tobilko
@ArnaudClaudel No wonder SO looks unwelcoming to newcomers. We heavily downvoted it, we closed it, we deleted it (again), we attached some (not really related or helpful) links to justify ourselves, and we moved on leaving the OP wondering what they've done wrong and what they should have corrected. "Try harder next time, kid." — Andrew Tobilko 1 min ago
 
 
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8:42 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@Shog9 I think I understand. In this experiment you're studying giving more impact to organic votes (as opposed to improving review), this definitely looks worth exploring. However this approach has sort of a gap on questions that have organic visibility limited by a system - ie score under -4 and triaged - I have a suspicion that these can be timely handled only via review (of course if you're OK with keeping askers oblivious you can let 'em be slowly collected by 30- and 365-days roomba) — gnat 1 min ago
 
9:14 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lundin
Regarding stack-related questions, there may very well be architectures that name their instructions some flavour of "pop". We might want to separate CPU stacks from the abstract data type "stack". Questions regarding pop instructions on CPU level should rather be re-tagged with the relevant CPU architecture + the assembly tag. — Lundin 1 min ago
 
9:38 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lundin
I would suspect that this makes it impossible to use SO Teams not only in Germany but anywhere in the EU. Until SO officially drops the "ad experiment" they launched this summer (or if Google surprisingly develop ethics overnight), I think they'll have a hard time demonstrating GDPR compliance. Are ads shown in Teams too? — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Magisch
@Lundin I can't speak for everyone, but most companies I know, including small companies, mandate adblock or at least offer it for all company pcs and browsers. For some even multi-layer adblock is required for all user with only limited whitelist capability. So this is probably an intra-organizational issue if one at all. — Magisch 29 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Magisch
@Lundin Also, the followup from the team on this might be of interest to you here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/332229/… the long and short of it is this is a service provided by a third party ad platform and SE considers it ok despite it using fingerprinting and recording IPs. — Magisch 16 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Alexei
@Lundin - I see no ads in Stack Overflow for Teams except those for the Public Stack Overflow itself (e.g. return to Stack Overflow and a plethora of links at the bottom of the page). — Alexei 53 secs ago
 
10:36 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
I think gnat has hit the problem on its head: “on-hold” questions with negative scores still need time to be fixed. No one can reasonably argue deleting it that fast gave the OP time to fix it. At that point it’d vanish from them unless they could find it in their browser history. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
 
10:50 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ped7g
pop is already palindrom as is, adding another 'o' in the middle will make no difference in this regard. — Ped7g 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@JL2210: I think you are trying to make a point about correct grammatical use but you are creating more confusion because you didn't include a clear explanation about the point you are trying to make. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makyen
@gnat That proposal is orthogonal to what jthill was saying. jthill was saying that it should be easier to close questions in low traffic tags, because there are not that many users in those tags. While I voted-up years ago the answer of yours which you linked, it doesn't really address making it require action by fewer people per question in low traffic tags compared to the number of people needed to act in high traffic tags. Your proposal isn't affected by the tag being low traffic or high traffic. That proposal makes the same changes in both. — Makyen 25 secs ago
 
11:22 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@Makyen I see, thanks for explaining (at first read I interpreted it like you did but on re-reading it seemed opposite) — gnat 23 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
What I'm saying is that in any other context, using wording like that would be incorrect. Take this for an example: "This is an answer: [answer 1 link] and [answer 2 link]." — JL2210 1 min ago
 
11:38 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@JL2210: but that's not what the sentence is saying. It is saying: there is an answer here: [link], [link], .... It doesn't state that the links themselves are an answer, the links are the here locations where you can find the answer to the question. That you have to go to multiple links to find it doesn't make the sentence grammatically incorrect. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
OK, so "There is a link to an answer here: [link], [link]" is correct? — JL2210 15 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
Just move on. All your flags don't have to be marked as helpful. — JL2210 1 min ago
 
12:18 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Secespitus
Seeing as noone has notified the user that was addressed originally in a visible comment I am leaving this reply @BonzaiThePenguin about this comment from the staff member: "[...] Do you mind telling me whether you are in the US or international? Knowing this will help me troubleshoot the issue that you are experiencing. It’s not common that a frequency capped ad campaign would subvert the system parameters." — Secespitus 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Secespitus
@GeorgeStocker When thinking about the problems that other staff members are describing lately I don't think there is a problem with a staff member using basically anonymous accounts for discussing this issue. Not like this interaction seems to be very troublesome, but I don't see any need for a "real name" or even a "username". The indicator outside of the profile would be nice though, but staff members could just as well use the old "I am part of the XYZ team at Stackoverflow" at the beginning, possibly linking to their profile to make it easier to see for others who are unaware of the box — Secespitus 25 secs ago
 
 
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1:58 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
Imo, Copy is the best way to go. Because you have a snapshot of the Question answer and no future modification will impact your Team SO. So you don't have to check every time someone add a new answer or edit an existing one. — xdtTransform 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
This is the second XSS hole I've learned of in the last few months. (The previous one was one that Cody stumbled across in the mod tools, and posted about here without appreciating its significance.) Can I suggest that it'd be a really good idea for one of you to do an audit of your codebase for XSS holes? Even spending an hour or two just doing some regex searches of your codebase for spots where values get templated/formatted/concatenated into HTML and then skimming them by eye to see if the values are escaped would probably have caught these last two bugs. — Mark Amery 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@weegee I suspect there's no exploitable XSS hole here because I think the missing escaping is only in the question wizard, which only ever shows your own content to you (thus only allowing the user to XSS themselves). So: sloppy, but not a security hole in itself. I'm more worried that the fact that this was able to slip through the net at all (along with a similar bug in the mod tools that Cody posted about a while back and then deleted that I think really was an XSS hole) is probably a giant flashing warning sign that there are other XSS holes lurking in the codebase. — Mark Amery 1 min ago
 
2:24 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"If the SO idea is popular enough, probably a website similar to SO will be developed within the firewal" If China continues to block SO indirectly via googleapis, that would actually make sense. They could also use the content from here (and even give attribution, making a link to a blocked site) and start from there. I wonder if something like this maybe already happened and outside of China simply nobody knows of it. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@GeorgeStocker last time I checked "recent deleted questions" gave users links to these, no need to mess with browser history. And another thing I checked (with my own deleted question) is one can edit these and flag for undeletion — gnat 44 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
Cannot reproduce in chrome mac or safari. What's your device? — weegee 43 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
@MarkAmery able to do self XSS is a big scaring point itself. — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Erik A
Perhaps MSE/Meta.ru.so would be a more appropriate place for this report, since it doesn't affect normal SO. — Erik A 32 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
The fix is just to increase the height in the class .top-bar .-logo .-img{} from height:30px to anything higher. Happening probably because of the logo's height — weegee 1 min ago
 
2:58 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lundin
C#. Oh, and no fun allowed! Grr! — Lundin 1 min ago
 
3:18 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Shog9
Sure, @gnat. This is where it's helpful to remember that many of these systems only exist because of the limitations of close voting. The close and reopen queues, the Triage queue, reopen queue auto-triggers... would all be unnecessary if a single voter could have confidence that their vote would do something - but they couldn't; already by 2010 it was obvious that, particularly in smaller tags, close voting was just useless as there weren't enough voters. Reopening happened only for popular nuisances. The queues exist because we utterly broke the existing system by adding voting. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by KacosPro
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
It doesn't really look like a problem you're having; it's asking where the documentation for the solution you already got resides. Ideally, good answers should have that, but we focus on solving the problem itself. Asking another question for people to source the solution isn't really a question. — fbueckert 12 secs ago
 
3:46 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
You asked a question that received an answer which you accepted, and your SO account is still in good standing. Isn't that worth the price of a couple of downvotes and close votes? I don't think there's any more to see here. — Robert Harvey ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:58 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The question is, will people coming to your question, have their question answered by going to that other question? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by DonkeyBanana
@fbueckert I'm not sure I understood the comment. I didn't have the docs' location at the time I asked a question. I only had the experience of the feature. Or am I missing your point entirely? — DonkeyBanana 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
Also, if that solves your problem which you posted then it was closed correctly. So it will solve the problem of future visitors too who are having the same problem as you are having — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Domysee
@KevinB Yes, if that answer stays the same future visitors will have their question answered. — Domysee 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Yeah, but is knowing the docs' location an actual programming problem you're experiencing? I'd lean towards not, as you're not actually having a problem with your code. If anything, that source should've been part of the answer on your previous question, and not necessitated a separate question to get that information. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gourav
 
4:38 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
A question getting an answer (from a Microsoft rep, or not) does not automatically mean it's a good question. It just means someone saw it and decided to answer it. Correlation is not causation. — fbueckert 1 min ago
 
4:52 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@weegee Which resource that is off site was the OP asking for? — George Stocker ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
downvotes seem to be like a slap in the face Even if your question is not broad, it is definetly off-topic. Asking for an off-site resource is not on-topic. I wanted to know if there is any optimization technology for LINQ. I recommend visiting the tourweegee 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by DonkeyBanana
I'm happy I did a good job asking. I'm displeased about the "community driven decision". It only proves my point that people are too trigger happy (probably because they're fed up with the questions belonging to the first category of yours). Thanks for the feed-back, anyway. — DonkeyBanana 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
So we now dig up any ancient, long forgotten optimization trick and ask if it is available in a modern stack. Only the OP and myself probably know what rushmore was and did for foxpro performance. If there are any future visitors that are going to search for that technology I hope they find it before they go extinct ;) — rene 21 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
@GeorgeStocker the OP wanted to know, is there is any optimization technology for LINQ.? They are asking us to find a technology for them and if someone knows it already then that's lucky. — weegee 55 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@weegee reading the question the OP wanted to know if Linq used an optimization technology they were familiar with. Kinda like "searching for JavaScript's equivalent of Perl's "use"." No one's asking for an off-site resource; they don't have the terminology to know what to call the thing they want to know exists in the language. — George Stocker ♦ just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by 404
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@weegee Please point to the off-topic reason that relates to "I know how to do X in Y, but not Z" — George Stocker ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
@GeorgeStocker Exactly And that's what makes it off-topic. they don't have the terminology to know what to call the thing they want to know exists in the language So they ask a question on SO. Like "Is there a thing in java just like ruby had?" Hence they are asking us to find that thing. Off-site resource — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@GeorgeStocker Could you perhaps put a temporary content dispute lock on that question to prevent the Meta effect of downvotes being applied? It's received 6 or 7 since posting. — TylerH 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
A direct quote from the question: "I want to know for LINQ-to-Objects, if there is something similar to Rushmore or the index-related performance optimizations in SQL Server?" To me, that looks like the OP is asking "What function do I use to get the same effect as <X>". Imo, it's borderline, but I'd say it's too broad. — Cerbrus 49 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
I didn't had to use much mental gymnastics. Asking for index optimaztion in Linq-to-objects is too broad. Despite all that, I still like the edit you gave to that question, so kudos for that. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@rene you can say " the question should be closed", but you'd be hard pressed to close it with a valid reason from our close list without resorting to mental gynmastics. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by meagar
You were never suspended for this, you were suspended for being insulting and abusive to others while pointing out what you see as problems with SO's reputation system. The suspension was exclusively for the way in which you delivered your message, not its content. Nobody cares if you want to voice your opinion about reputation or gamification, and regardless of how often you claim some sort of suppression or suspension resulted from this, it's simply not true. — meagar ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: I don't think that specific section of the help section is accurate, nowadays. — Cerbrus 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@GeorgeStocker I'm aware, and considered that in my question. Regardless of which direction the votes are, the point of the lock is exactly for this kind of situation. — TylerH 23 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus Only for feature requests, according to the help center. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@TylerH the downside is that also prevents upvotes. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
OP: Please note that the downvotes on Meta don't mean you asked a bad question. Meta is different in that votes are also used to represent (dis)agreement with the premise of a question. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: I agree, but that's a different discussion altogether. — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus Somewhat confusing to a new person to be told "read the 'tour' and the 'help center' but don't pay attention to what it says?" — George Stocker ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: One can disagree with the expressed opinions: "The closure was unjust", "an explanation that does not seem to fit"Cerbrus 17 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus Although disagreeing with the premise is weird here too: "We closed your question as too broad. You are asking what makes it's too broad so you can be sure not to make it too broad in the future" -> "We disagree with your premise that it was closed as too broad and you want to know how to avoid being closed as too broad in the future"? — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus Where did the user say it was unjust? They said it was closed as too broad and the close reason doesn't fit what they understand to be too broad. I re-opened it because they're right; there's no possible way the question is too broad. They didn't say it was an unjust closing. — George Stocker ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
Which flag did you use? The answer is certainly not a great answer but I see no reason to delete it. — BDL 23 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
I think the part that gets me is that we want users to bring their problems here and become better citizens, but we downvote them into oblivion when they do that. What do we want? People to not ask us how to be good Stack Overflow citizens? For them to just' figure it out' without asking? — George Stocker ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: I'm paraphrasing a little... "there's no possible way the question is too broad" That's your opinion. People clearly seem to disagree. — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Not to mention the original revision on M.SE. — fbueckert 5 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Okay, looking at the first revision of this question: Don't mention how "senior" you are, it's irrelevant. Don't state that a closure reason is a bad fit. The "Slap in the face" sentiment, while understandable, also isn't relevant. Keep the question factual, state that you don't understand the closure, and ask why. — Cerbrus 43 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
You flagged it as "Not an answer". A moderator declined your flag. It is an answer, no matter how poorly formed. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
We've established a (seems) exhaustive list of flagging and when to use which type of flag. it's in the "duplicate" at the top of your answer. — George Stocker ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
@GeorgeStocker: Create a separate question for this very discussion point. It wouldn't be much value to continue/lose this thread in comments which not a lot of people are going to read. — Makoto 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
You can dispute flags by asking on meta (which you did). The faq post was last updated in mid 2018 and the situation is the same now. — BDL 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Makoto which discussion point? — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"I don't think that specific section of the help center is accurate, nowadays." That discussion, George. — Cerbrus 56 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
The comment thread contains comments about the meaning of votes (for users in general, for this specific question and in the help-center), new users reception on meta and how should users learn the rules. Neither of these points seem to be relevant to improvement of this question and the discussion seems to be getting out of hand. This looks like a prime target for comment clean up, and more appropriate to discuss in new Q&A, IMO. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by weegee
[twiml] is not the ideal one. [twilio-twiml] tells more about the question it is on. — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@yivi I would but the new moderator menu has a bug in firefox when you click "Purge all comments". I'll have to wait until it's fixed. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:48 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
@GeorgeStocker: The voting thing. You've brought it up in several conversations to this point. You can also mention the Help Center piece as well since that's partly fueling the discussion, too. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by MicroservicesOnDDD
@rene - Thou speakest amiss. Asking for index optimaztion in Linq-to-objects is NOT too broad. How do you even come up with that? You should not discriminate against any "forgotten optimization trick" or talk about those people as going extinct as you did above (because you give yourself away). — MicroservicesOnDDD 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@makoto it wouldn’t be fruitful. I don’t see any push to change the help center (since it reflects how to welcome people) and I don’t think the hardcore meta people will change their habits to be more welcoming. — George Stocker ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
@GeorgeStocker: Well...if you wouldn't mind not including it in some of the discussions around questions here - even as a tangential point - it'd be appreciated. It'd keep the comment threads a bit cleaner, at least. — Makoto 42 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
So, the problem isn't the assertions in the OP, it's that meta isn't welcoming enough? What do you expect us to do? Not vote on something we disagree with? — Cerbrus 36 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpaugh
@SergioPulgarin Wouldn't it be great if there were a way to filter out hiring manager who were communicating poorly? Sounds like an example of that to me. — jpaugh 29 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Braiam
Will any answer to the other question also answer yours? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpp
Aside, your comments are needlessly aggressive, e.g. You might want to re-read the question, mate. You kind of missed the point a bit. Or, rather, you missed it totally. No need for this angst, you reap what you sow. — jpp 1 min ago
 
6:34 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Joao Vitorino
Can add time working in open-source or personal project. Can also relate this time track with the developer experience. — Joao Vitorino 1 min ago
 
6:48 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Michael Gaskill
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Sergio Pulgarin
@jpaugh What you are saying would make sense if these were few isolated cases. They are not. — Sergio Pulgarin 1 min ago
 
7:14 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cetin Basoz
OP's marking the wrong answer as a reply, doesn't make the question eligible for being closed. I believe, those who voted for close, including you didn't know and understand what the question was about at all. — Cetin Basoz 25 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cetin Basoz
Your question was OK but on SO any question can be closed for no good reason. Those who voted there, likely didn't even know what Rushmore is at all. — Cetin Basoz 48 secs ago
 
7:32 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
@CetinBasoz noted, thanks for the kind feedback, appreciated. — rene 24 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@CetinBasoz It's also possible that it was raining at the time. What's the point? Close voting (and reopening, except when done by a mod) requires 3 votes. If it's truely worth staying open surely 3 people can come to that conclusion and reopen it. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by chrylis
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Braiam
How about replacing it with nothing? When do you suggest that is needed that the x86 tag isn't enough (as noted on other comment, other may implement stack based operations with other names)? BTW, on your specific example, would the question be worse of if it didn't have the tag? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
You should be able to comment on your own questions regardless of reputation, I'm confused as to why you seemingly can't. FWIW: a) putting comments in questions/answers is frowned upon, especially if it is skirting rep restrictions; b) calling out specific users on Meta is frowned upon; c) rolling back other people's edits is probably going to end in a moderator locking the question; d) I don't see anything in that linked post about where that user says they know what Rushmore is. — F1Krazy 55 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@F1Krazy it was edited out once such claims were also removed from the question. — Kevin B 11 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
@HereticMonkey: There are...shall we say, "differing perceptions" of the lifecycle of a question. Some people hold that the bias of moderation is fluid and can be changed. Others hold that the bias of moderation is calcified the instant that there's some kind of negatively-interpreted moderation on their content. It's a mix of both in some cases; some people believe that moderation is bad/unfriendly/unwelcoming/un-whatever, and they rail against it. I'm making an observation that there are some people who will take this experience to heart and hold that bias against us forever. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
Generally...continuing to attack those that disagree with you won't win you any friends. Especially when it is ultimately misguided. Focus on the argument, not on the people making it. — fbueckert 46 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lewis
"Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it." — Lewis 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Lewis it's not a software library. LINQ is a built-in for C#; he's asking if they used a certain technique to make their indexing fast. He's not asking for a library. — George Stocker ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lewis
@GeorgeStocker Then the summation of the question is incorrect: "Is there an indexing technology like Rushmore"... That sounds to me like asking for a recommendation. — Lewis 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Omnifarious
Yeah the fact a question is about a particular architecture's assembly language is probably enough detail. Additionally, if it's really relevant, stack combined with x86 is enough. — Omnifarious 33 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Lewis That's where I think the users went wrong. If you're familiar with memoization; it'd be akin to asking if Redis uses memoization in order to speed up lookups. It's not a library they're looking for, they're asking whether a particular pattern was used in the construction of LINQ. — George Stocker ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lewis
I'm not unfortunately, so I can accept your word on that. I'd recommend to the OP in that scenario to remove the text asking for software similar to Rushmore (still in place in the original question) and focus on the "index-related performance optimizations". — Lewis 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Will
It really does strike me as too broad, primarily because we don't know what's really going on and therefore what the real solution to your actual problems is. The answer given by the MS guy (assuming he isn't lying) can be catastrophic if, for example, you're querying against a sql server database with 1m records. Calling ToDictionary on the context will rehydrate all your records. No Bueno. Knowing what you're attempting to do would go a long way to getting you actual answers to your practical question. That's the goal of the website. — Will 6 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
So, "in time" to save the first impression? Fair enough. I guess I figured when they added the "on hold" status, that was meant to signal that it was temporary; that a user could still edit the question into shape and get it reopened. — Heretic Monkey 51 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
Your edit to this question is being reverted because speculation about personal motivations is superfluous, and making this discussion personal achieves nothing. — duplode just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by fbueckert
I feel like this question misses the forest for the trees. User comes in with an outdated concept from over a decade ago, and wants to know if a modern language provides the same functionality, without actually determining if that concept is even still relevant in today's environments. If it's not too broad...I dunno. It's like asking if we can still store data on cassette tapes because you last coded on a Trash-80. — fbueckert 18 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Please don’t edit personal attacks into your question, regardless of how warranted you feel they are. I’d like to keep this question open as it’s a good question, but when you edit personal attacks into it we are either forced to edit them out or close the question. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
Do you mean doing that within a Stack Overflow post, or in general? (If you mean the latter, this question is off-topic here on Meta.) — duplode 7 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by mexitaw
I thought meta was for discussions and not code specific — mexitaw 6 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
I would assume OP means in a post on Main, but I agree it would be good for them to clarify for certain. — TylerH 55 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@mexitaw It’s for discussion of StackOverflow. — Dan Bron 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@mexitaw Nope, it's not a programming question. It's a licencing question and as such is off-topic there too. — Robert Longson 44 secs ago
 
9:06 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
I don't think locking either question is going to solve anything. If you lock every post discussed on Meta, a large portion of people asking about their questions are going to have bad experiences. — JL2210 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@JL2210 I locked it due to the edit war; which is standard practice. — George Stocker ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
@GeorgeStocker Oh, of course. I should've known that. After all, I did raise the flag. Sorry. — JL2210 39 secs ago
 
9:46 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@fbueckert many of the best practices we use for data are from the 70s. Not so sure we can call a decade ago “outdated” — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JL2210
I try to use "The OP" or avoid wording the sentences like that at all. — JL2210 6 secs ago
 
10:48 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
I think you've hit your head against the glass ceiling on this one. I do largely agree with you on this question, since there's a lot of ambiguity on this. I don't think you're going to be satisfied with any response you get on this, since not everyone is as well-versed in Python as you are, nor does the average close-voter understand the subtleties and nuances of the actual problems. The real problem then becomes one of turning what is effectively an n-dimensional problem into a troubleshooting exercise and solving that. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
"What do we do" isn't the question that should be asked, is what I'm thinking. "How do we fix this" isn't a good question either since that implies that this is a problem. I think you're seeking an actual direction and objective of the site, such that a question like the one you're presenting can be answered without the angst you're describing. — Makoto 27 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
My very strongly held opinion on this - we already don't support people who can't debug their code, but it's a blurry line on people who can't understand the code they're writing. The system itself is collapsing into itself because both camps would be right on a question like this; it's doing everything we're asking of it, yet there's enough complexity in it that the easy answers are simply incorrect. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@Makoto I'm really just looking for some clarity on what the company expects us to do with this type of situation. What direction does SO think the site needs to be going with it? That's part of the reason I built my question on a specific example. It helps ground the issue in actions. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Josh Caswell
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@JoshCaswell I agree it's relevant, but it has a noteworthy difference. In this case, the asker is basically using all the appropriate technology for their problem; they just don't have a solid enough grasp of how that technology works to recognize that a change to recognize the slight change that's necessary. Educating them on how you arrive at that slight change is a massive (in terms of writing a single answer) undertaking, though. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
Not really an answer, but anyway: I don't think the expectations for answers have changed -- focus on answering the question as asked, slip in relevant extra advice if you can, stop before you find yourself writing a tutorial -- and I can't recall any statements from staff about such a change having taken place. — duplode 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@duplode "focus on answering the question as asked" As far as I know, this was never an expectation. The Help explicitly approves of frame challenging, for example. While this doesn't require a frame challenge, it basically requires a tutorial to explain an answer. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
@jpmc26 Sure, frame challenges and addressing the X in a XY problem are fine. What I meant was avoiding answers that sacrifice addressing the question itself for the sake of digressions. — duplode 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Off the cuff; it seems like the undercurrent of the question is “why don’t we have a minimal understanding closing reason”, which has been discussed to death — including posts by Shog et. Al. — George Stocker ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Any answer I would give would point to those questions; but in short: go as shallow or as deep as you feel you need to to answer the users’s question. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@GeorgeStocker The ones by Shog I can find about "minimal understanding" don't address this type of situation where the broadness comes from the range of underlying topics rather than a problem statement that fails to narrow the issue down. If you have a specific post in mind, a link may be helpful. — jpmc26 38 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
"It's that we're not effectively educating new users about how the site works. Nobody expects a football player or basketball player to score their first goal or touchdown without knowing the rules of the game or practicing some fundamentals..." You can't expect them to do that even with education. They have to practice first. This is why I don't see education as a solution; it won't help without practicing and getting evaluated on whether you still need to improve. — jpmc26 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
"The goal of creating the library has long been accomplished." "But to reach that, we need new generations to keep bringing the problems they encounter as they do their work to us." These two statements appear to me to be contradictory. If we already have most of the knowledge we need, then why do we need tons and tons of additions to consider? To go with the mining analogy, wouldn't it make more sense to target the veins of remaining knowledge we don't have, rather than to continue to dig where we've already pulled out most of the valuables? — jpmc26 55 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jpmc26
"And, we simply can't put employees in a position where they endure 100% of the accountability with only a little influence on decisions that get made." I don't understand. SO has always had full power over decisions of what gets changed. I don't think anyone on Meta is upset by any particular change being made. It's mostly the shift in values used to justify those changes, and the new values do not appear to be compatible with the old ones. — jpmc26 46 secs ago
 

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