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12:03 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
I see five questions on your account on the main site, only one of which is closed, and it was closed because it goes against the site rules. — John Montgomery 39 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'm not trying to sound snarky here or anything like that, but are you really asking us a question right now, or are you ranting about the state of Meta? We can answer why questions get closed here - or it's a duplicate - but I need to really know if you're trying to get some insight here. I'm willing to engage if you're willing to listen. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by takendarkk
Vote count != reputation. — takendarkk just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Lisa Andersson
Of course I'm wondering. But most of all, I wish it weren't the case. — Lisa Andersson 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
Okay, great! Mind rewording your question to sound...less confrontational? Focusing on the question about why things are put on hold on Meta would be a good start. — Makoto 1 min ago
 
12:35 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Izkata being part of the current implementation is not at all the same thing as what I said. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
12:59 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
According to staff replies (in 2016) on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318621, they aren't sharing personal information to anyone, and all access to personal information is logged. — Samuel Liew ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by AAA
@YvetteColomb, how do you block cookies with selected exceptions please? — AAA 12 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
I've closed this, as it reads like a rant and it's based on false assumptions. Of course not every question is put on hold. If your questions are being put on hold, examine how you can improve your questions. stackoverflow.com/help/askingYvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:37 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Bhargav Rao
Check this post which had asked for the creation of synonym: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/382435/…Bhargav Rao ♦ 6 secs ago
 
2:07 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@IanKemp I haven't given up. I'm asking for things behind the scenes. The mods have good access to the employees atm and I'm advocating for things. It just seems the way we do things has changed and I'm still navigating. Also- thanks for those kind words — Yvette Colomb ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Servy the issue is - if talking into the void is done in a way that upsets people or not. It's also a noisy mess for people to keep harping on about something we cannot do anything about (we as a community) — Yvette Colomb ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Rob
I've undeleted those comments. I strongly believe they should not have been deleted in the first place. — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:13 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@deceze do you understand how absolutely subjective and ambiguous what you just said is? Basically you're saying that the answer to the question is that there is no answer and mods will move/delete comments as they see fit. — Tiny Giant 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Davy M
I feel like joining these things in the same proposal is causing people to talk passed one another; take for example the comments below Lundin's answer. Some users were talking about comments getting deleted for being attacks or snipes at a user, others responding they were deleted because they weren't constructive, and then there were responses asking how the comments were ad hominem, and free speech things... Conflating the negativity with the hostility with simply the extended discussion is really hindering the discourse. I definitely support your proposal. — Davy M 1 min ago
 
 
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4:23 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by tudor
I came here because I got this big fat warning pop up when I visited and it honestly gave me a surprise. I've never seen class E on any site before so it seems pretty dramatic. Ignoring it entirely doesn't seem like a good option as it undermines the confidence of both DDG and SO, not just DDG. — tudor 1 min ago
 
4:39 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jkdev
There are two kinds of edits: (1) improving the clarity of a post, which can be done by editors; versus (2) changing the substance of a post, which should only be done by the original author. If you improve the substance of someone else's answer then you're a co-author, not an editor -- and posts aren't supposed to have co-authors. (Wikis are a different matter.) — jkdev 17 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by JoshDM
Slowly burning the tag. — JoshDM 10 secs ago
 
4:59 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by jkdev
@SamuelLiew That 2016 information might be outdated -- the privacy policy was different then. Compare the archived web pages for Stack Exchange, Inc. Privacy Policy from August 11, 2016 and August 1, 2019. — jkdev 1 min ago
 
5:17 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by forest
I'm not sure how algorithmic assistance would ever be in a position to override direct moderator actions. — forest 1 min ago
 
5:37 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by deceze
@TinyGiant Do you understand that we’re talking about moderating human communication, which is rife with subtleties and nuance and context and snark and a ton of other things? If you can produce a manual for that, I’d be extremely grateful in fact. — deceze ♦ 38 secs ago
 
5:57 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
get 1000 rep and see vote details: stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/established-user. But first you have to improve your asking/answering. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 7 secs ago
 
6:13 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Did I comment here? — Trilarion 43 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
You could argue the last one is asking for us to recommend or find an off-site resource, With some rewording that might be salvageable — rene 1 min ago
 
6:25 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gabriel Staples
+1. This still works. However, "Subscribe" is now "Watch Tag". — Gabriel Staples 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by rene
Here are some links to help you in writing a question that has a better chance to be well received on Stack Overflow: checklist, an externally maintained site with guidance and a Q/A about research preparation. I'm sorry that it is bit lengthy but we care a lot about the content found here and I hope you came to or found SO due to the content we already have . — rene 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by VLAZ
It's not just "controversial". It's (AFAIK) about as reliable as zodiac signs. It cannot and should not serve as a way to classify things. Some people using it is a poor argument - some people make hiring decisions based on astrology or numerology, too but I wouldn't want these in the developer survey, either. — VLAZ 14 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Daniel Schneider
Thanks for pointing to the original ask -- it made sense to create the synonym at the time, but now that the new tag has been established, can we remove the synonym so people can ask questions for [azure-machine-learning], too? — Daniel Schneider 1 min ago
 
6:49 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by adiga
@VLAZ that's something a Scorpio would say. — adiga 25 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by walen
@MonicaCellio A 2-tier SO has been proposed, and downvoted to hell, several times: [here](meta.stackoverflow.com/q/252781), [here](meta.stackoverflow.com/q/254381), [here](meta.stackoverflow.com/q/254544). I made a well-reasoned argument for it just 10 days ago (as a solution to the issues described by Sara), and [deleted it](meta.stackoverflow.com/q/387475) when it got to -24. It's a little bit funny t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ to see Jeff's comment at +123, but then again you can't downvote comments 🤷‍♂️ Maybe if he made a Q about it it'd get a more positive response. — walen 16 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@adiga I thought they said "GET OVER HERE!" and then shot a kunai at the end of a rope at you. There you go - astrology fails us again. — VLAZ 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Trilarion yes and they're being flagged by people for deletion — Yvette Colomb ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@GeorgeStocker apparently my comment asking why you did not choose to post the linked comment as an answer if it contained anything of value was removed. It was a genuine question very much related to this very question and I'd still like to know your reasoning for it. Am I supposed to ask a separate question to get an answer for that or what way forward do you propose? — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by VLAZ
It's also untenable because it makes it VERY likely that comments would inappropriately deleted comments would not be reported. There were about two or three people who would likely remember these comments - you and AkselA were the authors and perhaps Magisch, as they were discussing his answer. Other people don't have as much of an investment in those and might not recall them, or notice they were gone, or even if they do on both fronts, might not post a question for them. Without knowing what's deleted, it's very hard to argue against deleting it. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
7:47 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tensibai
@walen I suspect most votes are for the first sentence only. — Tensibai 57 secs ago
 
8:09 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Edoardo
@TylerH I wasn't suggesting to further "infect" the SO Developer Survey with more random technical questions: I have understood that's not the place for what I am thinking of... — Edoardo 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Zoe
Users with less than 1k rep can see vote counts with a userscript: stackapps.com/questions/3082/…Zoe 24 secs ago
 
8:47 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mad Scientist
The external avatar hosting means that on many pages your IP address and the pages you visit from it is shared with Facebook, Google and Gravatar. This is not directly connected to your other account data, but I'd suspect that at least Facebook and Google have the means to deanonymize many users based on this information alone. — Mad Scientist 1 min ago
 
9:03 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by tripleee
@DonaldDuck You missed the first half of the criteria. You don't have 100 questions, well-received or otherwise. — tripleee 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by dbc
The only acceptable edit in this case is one that transcribes the code into the question. This can come from ... some other benefactor... - this statement conflicts somewhat with meta.stackoverflow.com/a/260246: Don't: Transcribe code from an image to text. It's just too easy to introduce new errors. Can we get some agreement on this? Should the answer there be updated to say that external images of code should not get embedded either? — dbc 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by kebbaben
Sound reasonable to me, marked as answer. — kebbaben just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by I am the Most Stupid Person
I thought most users don't bother about privacy. I have seen many ones just click the "agree to privacy" without reading just a line — I am the Most Stupid Person 6 secs ago
 
9:31 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Zoe
Possible duplicate of Captcha what CaptchaZoe 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gourav
Me too came here because once I saw the HMP section — Gourav 1 min ago
 
9:55 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by dWinder
Same goes for all the bounty-related badge: Altruist, Benefactor, Investor, PromoterdWinder 2 mins ago
 
 
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11:17 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Braiam no deleted answers — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by sth
Do those sites like RPG also apply that strategy to their meta sites? The needs for meta discussions are different than the plain Q&A of the main sites, so what works for one might not work so well for the other. — sth 10 secs ago
 
11:47 AM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
Outside of the SO network, you can do whatever you want. Unless you tell people to do something that is against the SO rules like creating sockpuppets to upvote your question, I see no problem. There are even badges that encourage sharing links to your questions/answers. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Clive
And if you’re genuinely concerned about just wanting to help, don’t say “upvote”. Say “vote”, and let people use their judgement. Otherwise the bias is clear — Clive just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
You haven't posted a single answer yet. Maybe you want to try your hand at it for a while before you start promoting the first one you post. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mixalis Navridis
@clive "then only if you found my answer useful consider to upvoted it" do you know what is an if statement? — Mixalis Navridis 35 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Clive
Do you know what “bias” is? You need to complete that statement with the alternative, or neutralise it altogether, to get rid of the bias. — Clive 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
Pretty sure Clive knows. You may want to tone it down a bit. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Please keep your comments constructive. Berating a new user is not the way to gain mutual understanding. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
@George I don't believe my comment could be considered "berating" the user. It was meant as real advice. Not that I will make anything about deleted comments, but sometimes it feels like deletions can be somewhat arbitrary. I'm out of here. Peace. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mixalis Navridis
I would appreciate if you be a little more detailed on "badges" because i can't understand exactly what it is . thnx in advance — Mixalis Navridis 37 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Clive
@George that’s pretty pathetic. I’m also out. No peace. — Clive 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
I wouldn't request people to upvote your content, that is what makes it a shady thing to do. If people want to upvote they will choose to do so out of their own free will, no need for you to instruct anyone - they may also choose to downvote and you cannot stop them. Other than that... well you are free to do what allows you to sleep at night. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Clive
@Gimby careful, I already said exactly that but it was too controversial for one of the moderators. This is the kids table now. — Clive 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mixalis Navridis
WHY THE hell everyone is so rude with me.Really ?? — Mixalis Navridis 17 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
@CindyMeister: I added the links after the comment requested them. — BDL 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by I am the Most Stupid Person
In simple, do what evenr you want outside Stackoverflow under their TOS. — I am the Most Stupid Person 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@MixalisNavridis Did you click the firat link in the Answer to read up on what badges are? — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by sth
"What will change things is to show that we're on board with growing stack overflow". That's what people are doing. They are convinced that the current direction the company is taking will not lead to growth and success, but the opposite. — sth 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Machavity
Suggested title: We should turn off [automatic-updates] — Machavity 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@DanBron Best to write this up as an answer, perhaps, to give it the same "weight" as the other two suggestions? (Because this is what I think is the more morally correct approach in most cases.) — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
 
12:37 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Misza
@Machavity Pure brilliance. — Misza 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Businesses are many things, but making changes when things are going awesome is not something they mess with — George Stocker ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@sth if the approach you advocate was leading to growth and success, then why would Stack Exchange have changed course? — George Stocker ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@GeorgeStocker you seem to assume that businesses are fully rational and conscious entities that always work toward the global optimum. I'm somewhat skeptical since businesses are led by business(we)men, but admittedly I've never ventured into entrepreneurship. Anyway, to quote Shog: "We've been really bad at working together, as an organization, for a long time now". I know he was probably talking about the community-facing side of the company but it doesn't exactly sound like "rational utility factory" to me. — Andras Deak 22 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
or how about: manual deletion of [automatic-updates] — Robert Longson 25 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
I don’t mind deletions. But being told that I was “berating a new user” when I strongly feel I wasn’t, kinda stings. — yivi just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tensibai
@yivi could it be you were involuntarily ? (we're mostly off topic under this post that said) — Tensibai 48 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by TiiJ7
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
@Tensibai obviously, it could be the case. It’s all about interpretation I guess. But if mods leave this kind of message when deleting comments, I believe we are on-topic for the question. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
we still haven't reached a consensus as a team. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@yivi your comment was terse at best. Perhaps if people spent more time examining themselves and what they can improve there'd be more energy on here to get things done. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
@YvetteColomb, I do spend time examining myself; despite what you seem to be saying. Terse or not, I do not mind it being deleted. It was meant as genuine advice; certainly not as “berating” anyone. English is not my first language by a long stretch, but I find the characterization of my message unnecessary harsh (not yours, but the one accompanying the deletion), and being told off in such a way, hurts a bit. — yivi 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@yivi we are dealing with challenges. being a global site and knowing English is a second language does help. Thanks for letting me know. It's something we can work with :) — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
Yep, see it on MacOS Chrome 76.0.3809.87. I'm not so sure if this is any kind of CSS bug in the site, the border sort of warps in and out when I resize the window really slowly. Seems more like some weird rounding artifact. — Gimby 34 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@GeorgeStocker per my reading your note suggests that some of prior comments berated a new user, is that what you meant? FWIW these comments are available for review by regular users in MSO comments archive heregnat 30 secs ago
 
1:39 PM
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by yivi
I imagine you mean "gained some reputation", instead of "votes"? Or you mean that the questions you edited gained votes as a result of your edits? Edits can't be voted on on themselves. — yivi 43 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
I hear what you're saying. I just want to say... it is not impossible to give feedback with a fake smile and still make it hit home; bluntness/directness is but one way to communicate feedback. It takes a few more words sure and it may need to be done under the pleasure of a nice hot cup of tea and some wringing of the hands in an evil scientist sort of way, but honest feedback can definitely be packaged in pretty words. Whether you want to communicate feedback in that way... well... that's personal. I'm just saying a policy change regarding this is not the end of the world. It merely sucks. — Gimby 15 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Pretty sure editing other people's questions will have a negligible effect, however the exact algorithm is not public and we'd all be guessing really. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by FabioSpaghetti
ok, that's a pity — FabioSpaghetti 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Patel Romil
Editing others question will not lift out a ban from asking a question, you may get a batch for editing others question (80, 500 edits). For ban, you have to improve your own question/answer — Patel Romil 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by FabioSpaghetti
this is written in the link above : The only way for the ban to be lifted is by contributing positively to the site. — FabioSpaghetti 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@YvetteColomb was un-featuring the discussion a team decision? — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's rather ironic that this answer was accepted within minutes of accepting an answer being possible. — Cerbrus 51 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pauli Sudarshan Terho
I accept your answer but may change. From what you tell, I now see the accepted answer may be in the special situation, but the second answer is from a general situation from the users. — Pauli Sudarshan Terho 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pauli Sudarshan Terho
It is because I have a sense of humor ;) — Pauli Sudarshan Terho 43 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@l4mpi No, not at all. The reason we're being quiet is because we are not actually sure what to say. It's not sinister. Everyone is tired as well, so no one wants undue stress. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Krzysztof Szewczyk
It's kinda project specific. As long as I fully agree w with second point, for the first point, it allows segregation of questions by information about them, and in my opinion, the automatic-updates tag Assume you're using automatic update framework for Java and it fails at some point - tagging the question with automatic-updates is really in place. — Krzysztof Szewczyk 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by dWinder
@PauliSudarshanTerho moving the acceptance to the second answer which also have negative score is do hilarious... :D — dWinder 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Krzysztof Szewczyk
Higher reputation users can access the google analytics. They can theoretically share the data with third parties, but I'm not entirely sure it's not prohibited. — Krzysztof Szewczyk 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@l4mpi it doesn’t work like that. Moderators don’t “ask permission” before doing something (nor do we operate as a democracy), it’s more akin to “I did x, here’s why. Undo it if you are really dead set against why I did it.” I agree with it being unfeatured, and left my reasoning in a response to a flag; even though I’m not the one that unfeatured it. — George Stocker ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pauli Sudarshan Terho
May be - but it is because I wish that answer to be true — Pauli Sudarshan Terho 43 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by dWinder
I fine with it - that the whole point of the acceptance - it answer your question then it can be mark as accepted even if it is not the best answer - as long as you get your answer I am satisfy — dWinder 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by sth
@GeorgeStocker It's been a long time, many years, since Stack Exchange focused its effort on the core premise once causing its success: Provide high quality answers. Maybe things aren't going so well because the company has been doing other things for the past >5 years. So Stack Exchange was going without a clear course for quite a while. Now they realized they are of course, but in reaction they seem to steer further away from what was the successful direction. — sth 34 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
@FabioSpaghetti correct, nice and vague right? I tend to read that statement in reverse: "If you keep making things worse, don't expect the question ban to be lifted". But as said - we can only guess. It's best to be patient and ride it out; helping out where you can along the way definitely won't work against you. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by icecub
Ah yes, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks a lot :) — icecub 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pauli Sudarshan Terho
Also I know that the green marked hits is of more interest, so to attract more readers it can be good to accept the first worst and change later — Pauli Sudarshan Terho 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@GeorgeStocker ok, thanks. I know that's how it usually works, but because the mod proposal and discussion seems to be a team effort, I thought that any changes or results to the proposal would also be made by the team as a whole as opposed to individual mods. As an aside, un-featuring the post after such a short time seems like somebody actively does not want more eyeballs on that question. — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by dWinder
Agreed - having accept the second best-answer is better than no acceptance at all (in my option) - that why I fine with OP marking first answer as accepted (if it solved their issue) and then change later (if because of people comment or by their own choose) — dWinder 47 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Columbia
I edited one of your questions (stackoverflow.com/q/57026478/6471538) to transcribe the error message. Not posting the text of an error message can result in question closure. Please check to make sure I got the text right. — Robert Columbia 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Incidentally, there wasn't consensus among the moderators whether or not we should have even posted that post, let alone feature it. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by GiovaLomba
I don't understand why people downvoted this one! Asking is legit, isn't it? — GiovaLomba 12 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@deceze the entire point of this question is to clarify that as much as possible. You're being very dismissive of that effort. — Tiny Giant 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@TinyGiant: And you're sort of missing the point. As another moderator in a different question stated (more or less), "If this didn't involve human beings, we could just put in an algorithm and there would be no need for moderators." — Robert Harvey ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by deceze
@TinyGiant …and that is also why only moderators can do this. Because those are an elected few individuals who the community trusts to have a good enough sense to handle this kind of task. — deceze ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
Err... There was nothing wrong with the comments, they were on-topic, and useful, yet you deleted them because you think they weren't useful enough? I think the existence of those comments is much better than the lack thereof personally and others seem to agree. The mandate of the mods is to enforce community policy, not create it out of thin air. — Tiny Giant 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pauli Sudarshan Terho
Thank you, now I understand "Accepting answer will let others know that this issue has already been solved". It was not very clear for me because I confused it with voting. — Pauli Sudarshan Terho 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Is there any case or reason to have the acceptance functionality?" - It puts a nice green box next to a question listing when a question has an accepted answer, allows you to filter on questions with the "hasaccepted:no" search filter and gives the person who wrote the answer a cool 15 points of reputation. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@deceze moderators are elected to enforce community policy not invent it. If you're not enforcing community policy, you're doing it wrong. — Tiny Giant 41 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@RobertHarvey and you're missing my point. I'm not saying that we should have 100% black and white with no possibility for interpretation. I'm looking for something a bit more concrete than "we will delete comments as we see fit". I think that is not too much to ask. — Tiny Giant 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by FabioSpaghetti
Thank you Robert, I thought I had put every thing and thought that the image has the same value as text. but better is text indeed — FabioSpaghetti 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Patel Romil
welcome @PauliSudarshanTerho, you may also find more details here what different colors mean meta.stackoverflow.com/a/281741/10961238Patel Romil 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
I'm confused why you would reference that xkcd, because to me it seems that's exactly the kind of situation we will end up with if mods overzealously delete comments... — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@l4mpi If you want something to stay around and be findable by others, put it into an answer. That takes effort, yes. But if you're really invested in bettering the community, then the investment should be worth it, no? In fact, I think I'll add that to my answer. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pauli Sudarshan Terho
Somehow the green makes me klick despite it is solved more from the questioners perspective and maybe not the best answer — Pauli Sudarshan Terho 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@GeorgeStocker but if helpful information exists somewhere other than in an answer, deleting it just because it's not an answer does not make anything better, it makes the situation worse. — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Pauli Sudarshan Terho
Sometimes fun game playing seem to have more value than quality — Pauli Sudarshan Terho 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@l4mpi This would be a great argument to put into an answer; it'd allow the community to weigh in what you see as a larger issue. — George Stocker ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
Also, "if you're really invested in making the community better", there are way more important things you could be doing with your time than deleting comments on meta. — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@l4mpi I see it as relevant to this issue. It's a Viewpoint on this issue. That's where Meta has always differed from main. It's not "Question"->"Answer", inasmuch as it is "Issue"->"Viewpoints on that issue". Some of those happen to be questions and answers, others do not. — George Stocker ♦ just now
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by New Alexandria
Though all of that is great, the reality is that a broad number of people have taken an MB survey at some point, and do not consider it very controversial. It would be a way to get some form of data, as opposed to none. Especially considering that even the public wiki critiques of Big-5 are more damning that your summary — New Alexandria 33 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@GeorgeStocker but where should I write that answer? Certainly not below this question, as it would not fit here. And fragmenting the discussion into thousands of separate posts does not seem helpful either. — l4mpi 57 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
The "larger cleanup" seems to have left lots of the comments incoherent. Yvette goes from having a sensible back-and-forth with Magisch to dementedly repeating herself. Magisch's surviving reply to her is left looking irrelevant and out-of-place due to the comment of hers Mag is actually replying to being nuked. If you truly insist on going on these comment purges - which I don't think you should - could you at least take some more care and not leave fragmented, incoherent threads behind that unfairly make the participants look like idiots? — Mark Amery 40 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@opa I wrote an answer here that covers your question. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by opa
Why all of a sudden have you decided now to start "making the community better" after about 2 years of being all but absent from Meta? — opa 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@MarkAmery Magisch did the right thing and put his comments into an answer so you're right, those could go too. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin
No, they certainly are not. Go read the MBTI wiki article. It's explicitly described as pseudoscience. — Kevin 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by opa
@GeorgeStocker Okay so you feel its up to you to stop meta from pushing people away. Are you going to be Mod Thanos and every few years start deleting a flurry of comments when you arbitrarily feel meta has gotten too "rotten"? Why do you seem to stand alone in all of this? No other moderator seems to have the same issues you do with ticking Meta off in deleting stuff. Why do you think you are the one to "save meta"? — opa 16 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by New Alexandria
Just so we dont' have to be quarreling in comments on Meta: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#CritiqueNew Alexandria 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by D. Ben Knoble
@BDL thanks for the link. Looks like this kind of Q is discouraged based on old meta: should I delete? — D. Ben Knoble 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@GeorgeStocker That's orthogonal to my complaint. Yes, some comments were obsolete or added nothing to the conversation, and therefore were reasonable to delete; that's fine, and is simply comment thread curation of the sort that mods have always done and nobody objects to. My issue is that your deletions here are not so much curation as random, scattershot removal of sections of a back-and-forth conversation, without any apparent regard for the end result. Just reading back over the thread once after this mass deletion would show it no longer made sense; why leave it in this state? — Mark Amery 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
Incidentally, some of the idownvotedbecau.se articles are actually pretty helpful in terms of explaining common quality issues. For example, WRT the one that Robert edited, the article here explains why it's not helpful to include only an image of an exception. — EJoshuaS 35 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@KrzysztofSzewczyk: There isn't a lot of information in there. Just some counters, basically. — Cerbrus 53 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by BDL
There's no point in keeping the question. Noone here can see who voted on which question and even if so, it would only make sense to investigate if the script doesn't catch it. — BDL 54 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Clive
Heh heh, busted! — Clive 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by pppery
@mgilson An exception — pppery 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Trilarion
This is Q&A at it's best. Everything can be a question, can't it be? — Trilarion 7 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@deceze that you don't see a path to a clear policy does not mean you should violate your own new rules by derailing the conversation about creating a clear policy. Your opinion is not the be-all-end-all of opinions, and the community is allowed to have their say in this matter. For that matter, why shouldnt we have more discussions about the validity of comment deletion? Are you really trying to stifle the community's oversight of your actions and your own responsibility to the community that you serve? — Tiny Giant 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@GeorgeStocker for someone who rarely participates on meta, you sure seem to feel strongly about limiting the ability of others to participate in meta. Maybe if you spent more time contributing on meta you might feel differently. — Tiny Giant 31 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@GeorgeStocker as requested, here's your answerl4mpi 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@TinyGiant: What deceze is trying to say is that you can't legislate this, for the same reasons that you can't have an all-encompassing policy on civility because every culture has different values. We have actively resisted such a policy for a long time, because it has all manner of side effect. Not to put too fine a point on this, but maybe you ought to assume that your diamond counterparts are acting in good faith, or at least trying to. We've had far too much FUD over this topic in the last couple of days already. — Robert Harvey ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@TinyGiant my participation on meta speaks for itself; check my questions and answer numbers here, as well as on meta.se (as I've been around long enough that original meta.so posts were migrated to meta.se. do you remember those days?) — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@RobertHarvey in your opinion we can't legislate this. In my opinion we can. How is your opinion any more valid than mine? Not to put too fine a point on this, but maybe you ought to assume that your community are acting in good faith in their efforts to clarify the policies that you're supposedly enforcing. We've had far too much FUD from both the moderator team and Stack Exchange Inc for a lot longer than a couple of days. We're doing the best we can with all the hate getting shovelled our way and would kindly ask you to let us do what we are allowed to do. — Tiny Giant 38 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@TinyGiant: With all due respect, Meta isn't your own personal playground. Like every other site here, there has to be some degree of decorum. You can level accusations of hate all you like; doesn't make them true. If you need further clarification, ask a new question. — Robert Harvey ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Tiny Giant
@RobertHarvey with all due respect, meta isn't your personal playground either. — Tiny Giant 38 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Nick A
"Most users of the web site can vote to close questions" - Well that's just wrong, according to the leaderboards only 58,614 people can VtC questions — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by scohe001
George, I love your open and positive attitude and the way that you're trying to make things better in the way you think is best. But I really think you're barking up the wrong tree here, man. I know negative feedback on meta can be discouraging, but I hope that you take a look at the voting on your answers in the past week and use this as a learning experience. There are times when you have to work against the current for the better of the community, and I admire your willingness to do that. But this isn't one of those times. — scohe001 49 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@scohe001 Thank you for saying that! If the time isn't when the community has been told in no uncertain terms that how it conducts its business has marginalized it from having an impact on the direction of the product, when would be the time? — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
That's not constructive, nor it it a policy. I touched on this before but I felt like there was a disconnect in how the flow should have worked between either the person asking on Twitter, the person fulfilling the request on Twitter, or myself who is willing to accept that they are out of the loop at this point. Going over to Twitter to ask questions/clarify/engage would only make the situation worse, in my mind. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
@tripleee I think that comment was about the Curious badge which only requires 5 questions (I didn't have that badge back then). — Donald Duck 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by gnat
@Makoto "in cases when company chooses to ignore meta in favor of some social media" -- I honestly doubt that it can be worse than thatgnat 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by scohe001
See Mith's extremely well received MSE post--we as a community want to be better! We want to make amends with staff and get back to the glory days. Perhaps I worded the end of my last comment poorly, but I really think you need to re-evaluate your approach to this problem. Almost every post/action I've seen from you recently seems like you're taking actions/making decisions without any community input and justifying it as "for the greater good." No one person can solve all of this. We need to be working together. — scohe001 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
That question, for me personally, looks like a brainstorming question. The vague title and the body doesn't really help either: "What I am trying to do is get myself in between where Windows writes to the screen and it appearing on a monitor. For example, I want to be able to turn the screen grey, bevel the edges and add some scan lines to make it look like an old CRT screen, or make the screen glitch, the way they show hacked systems in movies that don't don't understand tech, etc. (I have a long list of effects)" which smells too broad. [1/2] — Andrew T. 40 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Voting to close is not hostile. Curating content in general is not hostile. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
[2/2] however, I might see the core of the question which might be specific enough while the rest is fluff: "How can I capture the screen in Windows programmatically?" If you feel the question is worthy and specific enough, then by all means, edit/improve it. — Andrew T. 48 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Soonts
@AndrewT. There’s too much text indeed in the question. I’ve read that question as “how do I apply real time video processing to the complete Windows desktop?” and answered accordingly. Based on OP’s comments to my answer, that’s indeed what they had in mind. Now it’s closed and probably will be deleted soon, along with my, and other user’s good answers (BTW I hadn’t know about magnifier API myself, the other one is very nice). — Soonts 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Soonts you can try to salvage it if you want. I did that on this question with the help of the community) and earned myself a Lifeboat badge. — Andrew T. 21 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Soonts
@AndrewT. Never done that. Should I just edit the OP’s question, putting more specific wording there, and removing less relevant stuff? — Soonts 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Soonts well, you can ask the asker to edit it (though the result might vary if the asker doesn't really know how), or since you already know what the asker wants, you can try editing it yourself as long as it doesn't change the intent and let the OP know if the edit is correct. — Andrew T. 54 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'm trying a different tone. If we state that we're ignored, then that introduces the risk of us being labeled as something we're not. Worse, the situation isn't exactly dealt with if we decide to pile on to some employee's Twitter account. I would hope that some policy would include some familiarity with the site's culture and how it wants to conduct business, with acquiescence given to the company as needed. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Soonts
@AndrewT. Sounds good, thanks. Have to AFK now, will edit in an hour. — Soonts 56 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@scohe001 That's very kind of you to say; the people who have been vocal about having a problem with enforcing civility on meta have also said that they don't see that their behavior led to any of this. I think that's the difficult part with shepherding the community through this transition is the ones that need to hear there's a problem are the ones that are very loudly shouting that everything was fine and nothing needed to change, even though demonstrably the entire HMP post was a sign that things weren't great. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by bmm6o
Lol at drive-by downvote in the first minute — bmm6o 19 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
I agree with @makoto. The sentiment seems to be that We feel hurt as a community that a perceived “outsider” is given more precedence than power users that have been here for years, but when posters spend their time by leading posts with non-constructive sentiments it makes people not want to listen further, thereby spiraling into a self-perpetuating cycle. — George Stocker ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Ethan Field
@GeorgeStocker I'm sorry, but I don't see anyone in those deleted comments being uncivil to anyone else. Or shouting about anything. — Ethan Field 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
I would encourage you to take a break from doing all of this; while your intentions are good I get the impression that this is tantamount to a bull charging through a china shop already rocked by a 7.1 magnitude earthquake. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Damián Rafael Lattenero
That was fast haha — Damián Rafael Lattenero 41 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
Maybe a 10Ker can post a screenshot with user name(s) redacted. But otherwise hard to chime in without seeing it. That being said rants on any website (not just SO) never go over well. — psubsee2003 58 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Kevin
+1: If Stack Exchange wants Meta to function as a customer service hotline, whose reps are content to get shouted at, then they need to start writing us all paychecks. — Kevin 20 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
This is literally what I'm screaming about. We're the ones that have to go on the defensive here on Meta with questions like this, and somehow we're the assholes. Infuriating. — Makoto 45 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by duplode
Thanks for answering. (1) A problem with the separate answer suggestion in this case is that I had no intention of making a full-fledged HMP replacement proposal in the vein of Magisch's answer, and it doesn't feel necessary so merely for the sake of raising a minor point about it. That, however, does not affect the relevance of my comment in the context of the answer. (2) Whether a comment is useful enough to make people go "Wow!" is a non-trivial editorial call that, in my view, should not be a decisive factor when it comes to deleting relevant and otherwise unproblematic comments. — duplode 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
In my years on Meta, I've learned what things to and not to edit. I'm not seeing anything that could've been edited on that post that would've redeemed it. Besides, users coming to Meta to rant are a dime a dozen, and their rants are twice as loud. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved; the ranter doesn't receive release and the people being ranted to don't actually get a chance to successfully engage. — Makoto 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@makoto I don't know if that's true any longer. The meta community has dwindled quite a bit from its hey-day. It being a 'dime a dozen' isn't accurate the way I see the numbers. Meta is far quieter than it used to be, to the point where from an outside perspective there's very little freshblood coming in. I can't share actual numbers since they're in the analytics dashboard (covered by the moderator agreement); but a SEDE query would confirm that as well. — George Stocker ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
Not everyone has the time to read our fine manual, especially since most of the master copies are in a separate tome on a completely different site. Some hand holding is required. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I don't know if you visit MSO every day (if not, then maybe try it), you'll find such rants every week or even every day. Most of us genuinely want to help, but all we get is blame and more blame from users who mostly don't understand how this site is supposed to work. And we're tired... — Andrew T. 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by bmm6o
Yes, the effort to manage a community can be tiring — bmm6o 26 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Don't take my word for it then, run an SEDE query that looks at meta posts by low-rep users over time and see if the number has gone up or down; and whether its percentage of questions on meta asked as gone up or down. — George Stocker ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Dave
If they don't have time they should make time IMO though it is indeed NOT an easy task to find everything. But almost every "bad" question that shows up gets one or more helpful links to the very things that people need. — Dave 1 min ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
Um...no seriously, a lot of the new users come to Meta almost exclusively to rant about why their post was Moderated™. Looking at it from a raw numbers standpoint is not useful since raw numbers aren't going to tell you that story. You have to have your boots on the ground to really know. — Makoto 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Davy M
I know... If someone walked into the local cannery where I volunteer at and started screaming at everyone that their requests for food had been denied, and the worst most unwelcoming thing that anybody said to this person was "I'm not against you, but it seems you're just ranting and not looking for actual help. We can probably help you, but you need to be less confrontational," then I would be shocked at how amazingly welcoming we are. — Davy M 2 mins ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Makoto
Right...George, it's not about the numbers. It's really about the touch points and experiences. I get that looking at number is a convenience thing. But, honestly, and I tell you this truthfully - I've seen this play out so many times on Meta that this is actually fairly textbook. Users aren't happy that their stuff gets moderated. They go somewhere to rant, and that's (a fraction of the time) on Meta. It's not a large number by any stretch of the imagination. But, they still come. Maybe my choice of phrasing ("dime a dozen") was distracting in this. — Makoto 28 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Krzysztof Szewczyk
@Cerbrus The title is << Is user activity data shared with third parties? >> Is certailny is, even if you have just counters. — Krzysztof Szewczyk 46 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Krzysztof Szewczyk
user activity == usage — Krzysztof Szewczyk 55 secs ago
[ Boson | Higgs ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That’s “usage” data. Not “user” data, @KrzysztofSzewczyk. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
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