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12:22 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Nike
"We're talking about a 21.3% increase in page load time for a user first hitting the site" what would be a reasonable number for you? Please don't arbitrarily decide that 21.3% is too much without telling us what an acceptable target would be. If this study were done in 2023 and the increase was only 20%, would you edit your answer and recommend SE to enable MathJax here? The staff (and Makoto) keep pointing to this single post which is far too old and seems very biased. What if the increase were only 1%? Would you still be vehemently opposing the majority here? — Nike just now
 
 
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1:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by sgfit
Okay, so if that's the URL, where in that URL is the link to the Code of Conduct? Where can I actually read the document? — sgfit 24 secs ago
 
2:35 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
What exactly are you seeing at stackoverflow.com/conduct? — Ryan M ♦ 14 secs ago
 
 
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3:59 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by peterh
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter Yes, also I have made a little bit of... "public opinion research" in the circles of the HR guys, bosses having effect to personal decisions. The result was that they have absolutely no idea what is reputation or how this site is working et al. They know that it exists and Q&A for developers. — peterh 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Can you explain your rationale behind this feature request. What does AI generated content and an all too low reviewer to low-quality question ratio have to do with a request that could potentially open even more low-quality or off-topic questions? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gino Mempin
It's a bit confusing. If it isn't visible, where do people "vote to accept" the post? So "vote to open" = "vote to accept" = "this question can be displayed publicly on the site"? Are you aware of the Staging Ground? What is the rationale behind the specific reputation points and age of the question? — Gino Mempin 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
This sounds like you're describing something like the Staging Ground, which is currently being tested. There are some differences in your suggestion, but that addresses most of it. Do you feel that addresses your feature request generally? — Ryan M ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
And the Share link on the main site supports Twitter, Facebook, and dev.to, the last of which is...well, I'm not sure I personally know anyone using it, but it's possible it's more popular among groups of people I'm not personally acquainted with. — Ryan M ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gino Mempin
Related: meta.stackexchange.com/q/383594/756727. While that specific Q&A talks about the profile, I think the same logic applies: "With the flexibility of browsers and the number of networks out there now, trying to pick and choose which ones to display here will only ever result in others being disappointed theirs isn't." — Gino Mempin 58 secs ago
 
5:04 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Mastodon is federated. Are you sure there is a single share api that works on multiple instances? Either one would have to include multiple instance APIs or use the general share link... — Suraj Rao 13 secs ago
 
5:22 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Yes, closed by default could be a feature. But it will not fly. The big crash of 2023 (traffic, etc. down by 50%), caused the numbers to go down. The last thing "they" want is for the numbers to go further down. — Peter Mortensen 18 secs ago
 
5:50 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"It's their platform so they can make rules like this, but we don't have to keep using it." This might deserve being an answer in its own right. — MisterMiyagi 15 secs ago
 
6:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
The feature request sounds like trying to allow bad quality questions, but they are initially closed, it already takes awhile to open the hundreds of closed questions that deserve to be reviewed. The questions that would fit this feature request, will be low quality, and probably shouldn’t be submitted in the first place — Security Hound 35 secs ago
 
6:49 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
It's not quite what they are supposed to do... It's completely and utterly not what they're supposed to do. I would like to see that "RTFM" target question closed and deleted. It's completely off-topic for Stack Overflow and creates lazy curation. — Adrian Mole 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“It gave me a question ban because two of my first questions in November were controversial” - You were question banned for more than two poorly received questions. I am guessing you have a substantial amount of deleted questions. — Security Hound 55 secs ago
 
7:08 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
There is a short window of time after question was closed, that allows to still post an answer. I believe it is made to account possible problems with synchronization, and almost simultaneous closures and answers. — markalex 5 secs ago
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7:40 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by bad_coder
I can't find the duplicate but having questions start in a closed state is an old idea that's already been debated. — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
A quick search on DuckDuckGo suggests Avalonia is unique enough to refer to it, I see no point for avaloniaui (and if it were, it should be styled as avalonia-ui IMHO). — Mark Rotteveel 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marijn
@πάνταῥεῖ the question is specific and focused, and the answers are clear. However, it is more or less a language lawyer question, which means the anwers provide arguments from reading the language standard. Both arguments seem sensible, and more or less by definition neither provides a testable approach, because it is about the guarantees that the standard provides and not the behavior of a particular compiler, which can be tested. So I think it is fully understandable that the OP is unsure which answer to use going further. — Marijn 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@BoogaRoo sure; that's blatantly Needs More Focus. We don't need to reinterpret that as a debugging question; we don't need to expect a MRE; and we don't need the "Needs Debugging Details" close reason. We already have a textbook close reason. — Karl Knechtel 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I have found that this window is rather longer than I would think appropriate. — Karl Knechtel 16 secs ago
 
7:58 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marijn
@MisterMiyagi IMO it would be appropriate at SO, because it involves ways of using or bypassing a package manager, which is an issue specific for programming and not general computing. But indeed as Phil noted there are existing solutions, for example stackoverflow.com/questions/13270877/…, stackoverflow.com/questions/11091623/…, stackoverflow.com/questions/66802665/…. — Marijn 28 secs ago
 
8:22 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I have found that this also works on Mars. — Cody Gray ♦ 23 secs ago
 
8:36 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by T.J. Crowder
@Andreasdetestscensorship - markalex has fixed that now. — T.J. Crowder 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by T.J. Crowder
I absolutely get their point about the detectors being (very) unreliable, but FFS, talk with the moderators about it rather than dropping a restrictive policy from on high. Moderators are the front line! And if SE, Inc is looking at the bottom line, they might want to add up the cost of either not having moderators (rapid descent into a cesspool) or having to pay people to do it (expensive, and the results won't be nearly so good). Sending all of you mods good thoughts. 🙏 — T.J. Crowder 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tonecops
I would like to note that theme of meta.stackoverflow behaves differently from one of stackoverflow which is why I did not like the question to be moved. Now I have to deal with two different tasks. The guidance which changes the theme at stackoverflow does not work on meta.overflow. In meta there is no such button in user settings. So it calls for directly learning about css selectors, if they would match at some points. This is something that needs to be investigated. I got my manifest 3 chrome extension working.... — Tonecops 1 min ago
 
 
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9:46 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Pagh
alot of you should know that and no you dont understand the site, which isnt very constructive. when i use the site it is often in obscure CSS tricks with very little attention, and i basicly would love to be able to contribute to the site, especially when a solution has 0 votes and i see that it works and solve my problem, i would like to be able to upvote it for the sake of both the author of the solution and community. I see how the mix of topics in the initial post was confusing, and thanks to whom moved it to its appropriate location to meta stack :) — Peter Pagh 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Pagh
Also to whom of you who took the time to assess that example i mentioned with HTML2Canvas. If we were to turn this dialogue towards a more constructive path, i am all ears for suggestions. This solution works and i think it solves 75% of the issues people have with this little tool, which is why i think it is sensible information to provide. What do people want from me here, should have have included a little css snippet? html{height:100%} ? its so simple, i imagined it would be unnecessary — Peter Pagh 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by w3spi
Is there a way to someone at top hierarchy or moderator consider this request ? — w3spi 52 secs ago
 
 
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12:30 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tonecops
Ok. I have done it so that I can read main page and the answers. I think it could be on github as an example i.e reference how to create dark theme for people with white allergic. — Tonecops 14 secs ago
 
12:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Typo: "as part part of" — chivracq 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passer By
"Allowing for AI generated answers with little control is equivalent to allowing cheats" this is true for newer users, but mostly inconsequential to high-rep users which is much of the meta-peeps. I think people here just hate seeing crap, particularly plagiarized crap. — Passer By 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@chivracq: Thanks, fixed. Also bolded the part MisterMiyagi highlighted, since the point of this answer is that this policy change feels like it's crossed a line. Arguably as bad in a different way than something like encouraging edits to answers to not say bad things about badly-designed software or hardware sold by advertizers, or something like that, and feels like it's a step (across a line) in that direction. — Peter Cordes just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passer By
I can't see the line to be honest. Wasn't all the closure reason changes and welcoming nonsense the same kind of forced moderation changes? — Passer By just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
For what it's worth, this is an accurate description, and matches with my personal assessment of the situation, namely that the company has done a bunch of really silly, inexplicable, frustrating, and downright inappropriate crap to us many times over the years, but this is the first time they've really done anything tangible or concrete to tie moderators' hands in the use of moderation tools. That makes this a whole new level for me, and many of the other moderators. — Cody Gray ♦ 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@PasserBy Changing the labels on the tins didn't stop closing questions that needed to be closed. The way that the welcoming wagon was rolled out wasn't super great, but, again, as Peter mentions, being polite (and, more importantly, being more effective in teaching people the norms/expectations of the site and hopefully turning them into productive contributors in the future by doing a better job of communicating how this place is different) is a desirable goal. I can't think of any changes that were made previously that stopped users or mods from giving crap the boot it needed. This does. — Cody Gray ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@PasserBy: Well sort of, but those changes didn't stop us from closing questions, and probably only prevented closure of some borderline questions. Really bad questions could still get closed, even if that meant choosing a reason whose text didn't fit as well. Nobody was getting suspended for picking close reasons SO corporate didn't like. The "welcoming" stuff didn't stop anyone from downvoting bad posts either; and there was a kernel of a good idea in it: don't be rude to people, even if they probably suck. In rare cases they had good intentions and the situation can be salvaged. — Peter Cordes 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passer By
@CodyGray I guess I don't know how mods deal with flags, but is there no way to cope with the new requirements more or less like the way regular users close with inaccurate reasons? — Passer By 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passer By
The point being, when opposition is added to moderation, there inevitably will be a shift in what gets the boot, but the extent of which is less than at face value. Don't get me wrong, the whole situation is horrible, and there is such a thing as death by a thousand cuts, but I don't see the apocalypse, so to speak. — Passer By 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's worth noting that this is complicated by the fact that the rules staff have given us mods in private does not match the guidance that they [finally] posted on MSE. There are nuances to the private guidance and nitpicky rules that are not mentioned in the MSE post. And it's been made very clear that trying to find loopholes ("malicious compliance", effectively) or totally disregarding the policies (akin to closing with inaccurate reasons…which regular users shouldn't have done or be doing either—shame) will not be allowed. — Cody Gray ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
There are, of course, probably ways that we could thread the needle, like getting regular users involved to more heavily moderate the suspected AI-generated posts, since the [current] rules only apply to mods, but that's just not ideal for about a dozen reasons, and there's no guarantee that it isn't a loophole that will be eventually closed. And then there are compromise solutions, which I'm sure that can find. The frustrating thing is we could have found them if staff had just talked to us before announcing a draconian new policy, and this whole situation could have been avoided. — Cody Gray ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Passer By
@CodyGray That is... not a small detail they chose to omit. — Passer By 39 secs ago
 
1:54 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
I've seen an answer be posted to a question a hour or later after the question was closed; historically I think some users knew a workaround and abused it (there used to certainly be one user who used to be a repeat offender). — Thom A 48 secs ago
 
2:54 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andreas detests censorship
@T.J.Crowder Yes, thank you. We talked a bit in chat, so I know about that, but didn’t clean up these comments. — Andreas detests censorship 38 secs ago
 
 
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4:34 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tu deschizi eu inchid
@RyanM: The Staging Ground seems more like a mentorship program that could be developed into something. In order to make something like Staging Ground work, there will probably have to be monetary compensation to the mentors based on the time spent interacting with the user. Obviously, someone merely repeating something that someone else already specifically mentioned would not be compensated. — Tu deschizi eu inchid 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tu deschizi eu inchid
@HovercraftFullOfEels: Can you explain your rationale behind this feature request: Lately, I've noticed quite a few questions being posted where it seems that the poster doesn't have any programming experience and doesn't really seem to be interested in learning to program. The questions seem to contain absolutely no code. In essence, the poster is asking for responders to write code for whatever idea he/she/they have for an application. When code does exist, it seems like the code has been composited from different sources. Perhaps people are posting these questions to train an AI. — Tu deschizi eu inchid just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tu deschizi eu inchid
@PeterMortensen: I wouldn't call it closed by default. Questions that have been closed on SO, very seldom seem to get re-opened. I'd consider it more similar to the process that a writer goes through at a magazine/newspaper where the editor approves a story before it's published. — Tu deschizi eu inchid 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andreas detests censorship
This post is a better signpost for the community, than the currently featured post about the AI policy. This one is more likely to draw attention than the other one, I assume. Please swap the featured posts. — Andreas detests censorship 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Disagree, as long as its not the ONLY tag, it helps refine what the question is about. Pairing it with, say, regex, indicates that a regex modifier is relevant. — Paulie_D 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tu deschizi eu inchid
What I've described in the OP, may also discourage people from creating duplicate accounts on SO. Although, as @PeterMortensen mentioned, there may be business implications. Preventing people from creating duplicate accounts may reduce traffic and also reduce the number of users that exist on SO which some may mis-interpret as a loss of interest in SO. — Tu deschizi eu inchid 6 secs ago
 
5:22 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shane Bishop
'Which will lead the site to degenerate into an echo chamber of old content, which is the main source of the "new" AI-generated content.' I think this is a very good point. — Shane Bishop 49 secs ago
 
5:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Martin James
I did look at the question. To me, it's a 'who cares, just use a separate line for each'. Apart from anything else, it's just clearer and makes for easier reading and debugging. Just press 'Enter' instead of 'comma'. It's a 'how can I write bad code' question and so I'm not surprised that it collected downvotes. — Martin James 14 secs ago
 
5:58 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
The problem here is that no one seems to understand what your question is, and what specific thing is bothering you. You still have not clarified it. There's a hint in your question that your answers are being rejected for some reason but are saying you can't improve your answers or are you saying you refuse to improve your answers? — President James K. Polk 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by iBug
That's up for interpretation by SO Inc. after all... — iBug 17 secs ago
 
6:17 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by markalex
I don't know for sure, but based on many mentions of differences between public and private announcement of new policy, I will speculate that deleting AI content as plagiarism was also clear-wordedly forbidden. — markalex 38 secs ago
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[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Not sure this would solve things. Plagiarism hinges on knowing what source a post was plagiarised from. If relying on AI detectors is forbidden, then that's a problem no matter if posts are flagged for plagiarism or AI. It would be a shame to see actual plagiarism get shadowed by AI. — MisterMiyagi 50 secs ago
 
 
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7:44 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
@Paulie_D: "Pairing it with, say, regex, indicates that a regex modifier is relevant." - Tags are not just words which could be joined into a phrase. A tag is expected to reflect a concept, which is common among all questions to which that tag is applied. Such concept could have some properties, which varies between different languages, frameworks, libraries, but in all of those applications the core of the concept should be the same. I don't see any common concept in questions about regex modifiers and, say, final modifier in Java. — Tsyvarev 43 secs ago
 
8:03 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Sheppard
It's really frustrating to have read one lengthy piece of legalese which was generally sensible and well intentioned, and which I could fully agree to, to then be presented with another apparently similar (and similarly verbose) document to read through some time later which seems to be about the same thing but is apprently slightly different. We can't let the SE folk turn codes of conduct into things like like click-through licences which we just say we agree to but don't have the time to. Codes of conduct should actually guide us in our conduct not be reduced to yet more legal wiglomeration. — Dan Sheppard 49 secs ago
 
 
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11:50 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Why is it so difficult to learn to use articles? — Peter Mortensen 27 secs ago
 

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