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12:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by polkovnikov.ph
@MartijnPieters Did I ever ask to get a veto on what is right or wrong? Doesn't "if it was flagged several times" seem to be a bit conflicting with that? The point is, as "downvote" and "close vote" are completely different types of votes, "wrong vote" should be different too. It's not on the "helpful" scale. — polkovnikov.ph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@polkovnikov.ph your remarks about how downvotes don’t help when a post score goes from 6 to 5 suggest, strongly, that you want something more powerful, it speaks of impatience and a distrust of the voting system. We don’t need a ‘wrong answer’ flag, because voting already handles this. You just have to understand that it can take time. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scott Sauyet
@MartijnPieters:. Thanks. I don't think that's quite what I was doing. I was hoping different answers might suggest varying techniques, but I was hoping for good answers that offered single ones. I certainly wasn't asking posters to supply lists of options. — Scott Sauyet 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by polkovnikov.ph
@MartijnPieters If 9 years of time is an insufficient scale of time to downvote 40 wrong answers, it doesn't really speak of impatience and subjective distrust in voting system, it speaks the voting system is objectively broken. — polkovnikov.ph 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by polkovnikov.ph
If you discourage users from downvoting others to tune anyone with positive vibes or whatever other reason, the website gets filled with really bad, wrong answers. Incidentally, those wrong answers get upvoted, because there is no visual sign to mark them as wrong, no way for novice users to deem them wrong, no nothing. Over years some of them get highly upvoted, primarily for their sheer age. It doesn't get any better, the more time we try to understand it takes time, the worse it gets. — polkovnikov.ph 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by polkovnikov.ph
It would make no more sense to downvote spam answers, because, you know, over time they will get enough downvotes to be dimmed and grayed out. "Wrong" and "helpful" are not on the same scale. — polkovnikov.ph 1 min ago
 
1:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dexygen
FFFS yet another question whining about a question being closed gets upvoted, but heaven forbid you should ask an actually meaningful question e.g. why the "too broad" close reason is being misused for questions that are not multi-part, in which case Meta instead takes a collective shit on you. Fucking loserville. — Dexygen 1 min ago
 
 
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3:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by miken32
"Can I use Mysqli::fetch_all() to do x?" "No, you have to use PDO." vs "How can I do x using Mysqli?" "You can't, you have to use PDO." Both questions and answers seem pretty similar to me. Technically they're different but in practical terms they're both asking the same thing. — miken32 1 min ago
 
4:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
"I don't understand how I failed to communicate the problem in the description above" => Your Qt (Question) is not self-contained, one needs to follow 3 "vague" Links all 3 called "here", (that feel a bit like "Clickbait", no Tag mentioned), of which 2 link to some Qt (maybe 2 Qt's), and based on that you want to "revolutionize" the Voting and Flagging System. Hum..., OK, good luck I would say..., I don't see the "Urgency" for just 1 or 2 Qt's, let the Voting System decide and use your Downvotes and/or post a Comment to the "wrong" Answers, ... or post a "better" Answer yourself... :idea: — chivracq 1 min ago
 
 
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7:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
Accessibility features can also be useful for non-impaired users, and even if they are not useful then these changes are neutral (if the implementation is done right). Therefore, implementing this site-wide does not have a disadvantage. Conversely, implementing a separate mode has the disadvantage of needing to maintain yet another mode, and also that this mode may not be easily discoverable for users that are unfamiliar with the site. — Marijn 19 secs ago
 
7:16 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and belongs on the main site. — greg-449 58 secs ago
 
 
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8:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It isn't only Gordon Linoff. Look, for example, at the regulars in the Pandas tag. The same kind of auto-generated homework questions are now also appearing in the R tag (I don't know if they are treated the same way or not). — Peter Mortensen 18 secs ago
 
8:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cole
@Marijn For invisible features (like alt text) what you are saying makes sense, but not so much for visible features like high contrast or the re-design of up/down vote buttons that was recently tested. Presumably some users will welcome the changes while others will find them distasteful, otherwise why not just force everyone to use high-contrast mode? As far as making an alt mode accessible, a WACG compliant button with the properties outlined here (high contrast, keyboard accessible, ect.) should be sufficient. It could be put right next to the log in button. — Cole 9 secs ago
 
 
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10:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“Is that really a good question?” - The question was clear enough that it received an answer that has 7 upvotes. Additionally, while this fact was hidden, the question itself also received 6 upvotes and 0 downvotes. Review bans don’t happen after a single audit failure. — Security Hound 42 secs ago
 
11:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
How is this relevant? — klutt 1 min ago
 
12:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user438383
@SecurityHound just because something gets upvoted and is useful to people doesn’t make it a good question. — user438383 53 secs ago
 
12:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Before considering if [attributes] is appropriate in an specific context, the first question is if [attributes] is appropriate at all. The answer is no. It's way too generic. Anything can have attributes after all. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
1:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by puncher
Alright. Yeah but high upvotes doesn't mean it's a good audit review. — puncher 21 secs ago
 
2:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@ScottSauyet if you are looking for alternatives you need to explain "why". Like "why does the generic method doesn't fit my use case?" etc. — Braiam 1 min ago
 
2:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
"My understanding of votes was always to reward good ideas or crictisize bad ones." -- no one can explain why someone else votes the way that they do. If you feel your answer was good and helpful to future visitors, then that is rewarding in itself, no? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 41 secs ago
 
3:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 4b0
Similar things happen with jQuery, no new answer for that almost all are dup or closed or new new user who don't know how to accept . don't break again ,SO need quality answer and question that's must be rewarded . HovercraftFullOfEels mention already. no one can explain why someone else votes the way that they do4b0 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Don't see how the question lacks focus, maybe because it asks for regex solutions for either Notepad++ or Geany? Although I would have closed it as a duplicate of Regex: match everything but a specific patternAbdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
 
3:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Barmar
So you're saying it's not a dupe because the old question never clearly says that they want an array of objects? It seems to be implied because they user fetch_object() in the loop and then say they're looking for something that might be called fetch_objects(). @mickmackusa seems to have taken this as implicitly asking for the same thing as the new question. — Barmar 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Barmar
But even if the questions aren't exactly the same, the answer is applicable. It says that fetch_all() is the only way to get all the rows at once, and enumerates the format of results it returns. This answers the original question (the answer is "no"). — Barmar 1 min ago
 
3:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the comment flagger
Related: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/411113/… This seems a lot like a rant in disguise. Since one's votes are their own, there isn't that much that can be done about the allegedly excessive downvoting. One other thing to keep in mind is that downvotes on answers do not necessarily mean that the answer has something wrong. — E_net4 the comment flagger 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the comment flagger
Since a comment from another question was quoted, I think it's worth quoting a few more replying to that one: "if you consider the question not having value I can imagine that the answers have no value and as such warrant a down vote." ref "Voting is anonymous and you're not a moderator, hence you have no idea who is downvoting those answers, so your accusation is based on an assumption that you cannot prove. Be very careful." refE_net4 the comment flagger 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Hum, "too late" (and <10k-Rep)...: "This question was voluntarily removed by its author." — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@chivracq I can only repeat from memory but it was something like "Islam generates terrorism"jabaa 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I hope that you don't mind me adding the original text to your question as it appears to be relevant to the discussion. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
Can you clarify the timeline here? I can see the edit history, and the comments which were there at the time it was deleted. The question was created at 13:18UTC, and Dharman (a moderator) left a comment at 13:35 saying "the sample data is a little inappropriate". Is this before or after the comments you say were deleted? — IMSoP 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@IMSoP Two comments were deleted by the moderator before 13:35 saying "the sample data is a little inappropriate". One comment was from me: "Unbelievable how long it takes to remove racism from Stack Overflow". — jabaa 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@HovercraftFullOfEels Feel free to add it — jabaa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@jabaa: I have already done so — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"One comment was from me: "Unbelievable how long it takes to remove racism from Stack Overflow"." Moderators are volunteers just like the rest of us, and just like answering a question, there is no SLA. At the weekend you can expect a slower turn around time for flags, as just like the rest of us moderators have lives outside of Stack Overflow. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Honestly I would have flat out R/A flagged, although if a mod has already commented on it, IDK if it would be declined as the post would be salvageable — cocomac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@IMSoP Maybe my comment was incorrect. But the moderator removed comments and didn't remove the content. — jabaa 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Honestly, you could have fixed the post, @jabaa , then you wouldn't have needed to comment about how long it took as you could have taken it into your own hands. As a user with over 2k rep it wouldn't even need to have gone through a queue. If the OP rolled it back, then it would be time to flag it. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@Larnu My question is not, how other users should behave. I'm asking if it's correct, that a moderator removes comments about racism, comments on the question, but doesn't remove this content. The question is not how long it took. The question is, why the moderator didn't do anything about the content after they know about it and we're active in this question. — jabaa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Moderators are (generally) for things that users can't handle themselves, @jabaa . They are exception handlers; so I would counter your question with was it right for you to do nothing? — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@Larnu IMO this content is to big to be deleted by a user. This should have larger consequences. — jabaa 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
You could still, separately, raise a custom flag afterwards if you wanted, to alert of a moderator of the hate speech; they could (if needed) note that against the users account. But that doesn't excuse that you and others who had the privilege to fix the issue didn't exercise it. I'm not saying I agree that the moderator should ignore it, but just that you are just as guilty. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@Larnu I came to the question. I saw that it was commented and it was 15 minutes old. I flagged the question. I commented. I wanted to edit my comment and a moderator deleted my comment in less than a minute. I saw that a moderator was active. After 5 minutes I still saw the content. I was sure the moderator would fix it. — jabaa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
And that comment was to complain the content wasn't removed, @jabaa . That wasn't constructive, nor helpful; it was correctly removed. — Larnu 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Don't you mean, are moderators permitted/allowed to tolerate? — philipxy just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@philipxy Yes, that's what I mean. We're talking about hate speech and a moderator that didn't do anything about knowing about for 5 minutes while deleting comments criticizing it. — jabaa 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
Are you saying the platform is for everyone, even for racists, and we have to tolerate racism? — jabaa 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Is the purpose only for SQL queries? How about other possible usages? Are you sure this tag won't be misused? — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Barmar
some of the other uses have their own tags and may show up in the completions. — Barmar 1 min ago
 
4:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Barmar
Redundant tags don't add information, but they aren't misleading like wrong tags. So while this might not be the perfects solution, it may be better than the existing situation. — Barmar 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
@Barmar What exactly is the cost of a "misleading" tag? I can't imagine there are many questions where you actually read the question differently because of that tag, unless the text of the question is so confusing that you genuinely don't know which technology was meant. — IMSoP 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Barmar
Misleading tags will cause it to show up in inappropriate search results. — Barmar 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
This is not clear. What are you saying about the post & actions being discussed here? And the post contained inappropriate text. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
The moderator's comment that "the sample data is a little inappropriate" is absurd. That moderator should be informed that their concept of "appropriate" is inappropriate. — philipxy 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
@Barmar OK, so you're watching the jquery tag, or searching for something in it, and an SQL question shows up in your results; you might waste a few seconds clicking through before realising it's mistagged; if you have enough rep, you might take a few more seconds clicking "edit tags" and fixing it. Then you'll get back to your search. That seems like a pretty low cost, and not really worth changing the tagging policy of the site to avoid. — IMSoP 12 secs ago
 
5:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Well, based on testing the ask question page, the shown tags are the most popular. So unless the [query] tag has more counts than the current [jquery] tag, then it won't be shown anyway. — Andrew T. 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lonely
Here are new suggestions, look, read, try to understand before closing! — Lonely 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lonely
I think some sane people will look at the number of downvoters and immediately see how much sense what I've suggested makes. And btw, 3-4 of them are always the same, I just can't get rid of them no matter where I ask which question. I see a blocking function as absolutely necessary. — Lonely 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
None of what you've suggested makes sense. The reasons for downvoting are shown in the tooltip of the downvote arrow. A 10 rep deduction for downvoting would hinder the entire point of voting, to rate content (both good and bad). And the 3rd proposition is entirely unenforceable. — Nick stands with Ukraine 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
In addition, as shown in the duplicates list, none of your propositions are actually novel, all 3 have been spoken about before. — Nick stands with Ukraine 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Why do people perceive downvotes as something personal? When I cast a vote it is on the content; how suitable it is towards our goal of building a lasting catalogue of problems and their solutions. I know nothing about the person who wrote that content let alone think they are idiots. Why are you assuming people that know how to use their votes are being malicious? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
If all your questions have been closed then you have fundamentally misunderstood what this site is about. We are not here to answer every possible question. We only want questions that have value for others that come later with the same problem. That you as the question asker get your answer too is more of a happy side effect. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Voting (both up and down!) are the mechanism by which we achieve this; we rank the suitability of the content. If you get downvoted, learn what makes a good question and improve your question posting skills. Read the site help and look at what kind of questions get upvoted and receive good answers. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
This site has been successful for 14 years now using this mechanism. You should try to figure out why it is so successful rather than call for this mechanism to change radically. You misunderstood why this works, not found something broken. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
A moderator declined my flag. Does it mean that "Islam always generate terrorism" isn't inappropriate enough to be removed? — jabaa 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
At what exact timestamp was your flag declined and what did you say in the custom message for the moderator? — rene 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
"It seems like "Islam always generate terrorism" isn't considered "rude or abusive" on Stack Overflow." - It seems you don't understand the purpose of R/A flags, they're for content that's totally irredeemable for the reason given. If you can edit out the crap and still have a question (even if it's one that would get closed), then an R/A flag is not the appropriate action. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@rene I didn't use a custom flag. I flagged as "rude or abusive" — jabaa 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lonely
For a very understandable reason: once they're downvoted, they're closed and you don't get any answer. Is this beginner friendly? Does Stackoverflow want to lose in the long run? Why can't we all make this a little friendlier? I don't assume anything, I am speaking about facts. Above, a Nick answers without even having read and understood my question. But I have read existing answers. You have to be able to block nasty appendages because my downvoters are almost always the same people. What do you say to that? — Lonely 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Lonely What I say to that: votes are anonymous so you don’t know who votes. Your claim that you know who votes has no basis in any fact. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@NickstandswithUkraine Are you saying that it's the task of the users to remove hate speech and not the task of moderators? Even on a community driven platform hate speech and racism has to be removed by the platform provider and not by users. — jabaa 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lonely
Sometimes they comment too, and always the same people. I am very good at recognizing patterns. — Lonely 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@jabaa Moderators aren't platform providers. They are users. You've used a flag to say "I'm not going to remove this content even though I could and really should, you do it instead". — Nick stands with Ukraine 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
well, at the time the mod came to your flag the edit might have been made already and they missed that the post was edited. Always better to use a custom flag when there seems to be a reasonable post with some inappropriate content. It might well be that the user is doing this as a pattern in all their posts, a custom flags puts the mod in the right mindset, a stock R/A might not when the issue is resolved by editing. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@rene That's the exact reason I didn't want to remove this content. A moderator should be able to see it. A moderator saw it and didn't remove it. A moderator declined my flag. — jabaa 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Lonely commenting is not the same as voting, correlation is not causation. I often comment, often vote, but that doesn’t mean those actions are happing at the same time nor that others are blocked from voting when I comment. Moreover downvoting a a normal activity and not a malicious act. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Now that we managed to remove the stuff from main, do we really need the actual offensive content here in the meta question to understand your point? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@NickstandswithUkraine In that case, the platform provider should pay some moderators for these serious cases. — jabaa 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@rene I still see a big problem, as many users think, that users should fix this and not moderators. In my country, I'm responsible for my web site and have to remove hate speech, even if other people post it there. — jabaa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
@jabaa No, it means it's not inappropriate enough for the moderator to do anything you couldn't do yourself. If the result you wanted was the content to be removed, flagging for a moderator was unnecessary and a waste of their time. — IMSoP 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@jabaa a moderator is handling red flags from a queue. They don't go open each post to see if something changed between the flag being raised and they handling the flag. You can argue for 6 to 8 weeks what you want moderators to be, but they are currently not and what you expect how their workflow should be is not sustainable due to sheer size. — rene 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lonely
My last sentence here: You don't realize that success has made you very arrogant. But empires rise before they fall, and pride comes before a fall. It looks like I can't help here. Please get out of the sun; I'm not asking for more. An admin can easily see my downvoters and will confirm my claim. It's getting a little more toxic here every day, 14 years of success won't save you. In the beginning, Stackoverflow wasn't like that, it was friendly and accommodating back then, but that seems to have stayed in the past. — Lonely 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Lonely all this just means that you have grossly misunderstood what this site is about or what voting is for. I suggest you reread the help information and take a step back. Take a walk outside and think about how you’d arrange for a large number of people asking questions to get answers with a limited number of experts knowing how to answer. Learn how many questions are posted per minute, how long it takes to answer well, why some questions are easy to answer, and how you’d make sure those answers can be found so easily on Google later on. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@Lonely: Yes, you are good at recognizing patterns: In one of your recent now-deleted questions, a poster essentially answered your question in comment, and your reply to them was, "Dear xxx, forgive me, I see you as a kind of nuisance, downvoting, closing, what's the point? I ask you to keep away from my questions and would be very grateful for that. Go and torture others. please!" If you find someone else's comments to be unfriendly or unkind, don't engage, and especially in an inappropriate way such as this, but rather flag for moderator action. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@rene The moderator was there when the content still was there. The moderator removed the comments that criticized the racism and didn't remove the racist content. — jabaa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Lonely I am such an admin. You have not been targeted. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
@philipxy I think that's a case of polite (or even sarcastic) understatement, rather than a different standard of appropriateness. Maybe a more forceful tone was warranted, but I'm not sure what it would really have achieved. — IMSoP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You can always re-raise a custom flag, explaining the rude flag was for content as present in the initial revision and that issue it self might be resolved but the user might still need some investigation for prior incidents. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
@rene The moderator saw the racist content and commented "It's a little inappropriate"jabaa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I know what the mod said. They made the judgement call to give the OP the chance to fix it themselves. You're free to dislike that but that is where we are at now. Let's wait for the mod to tell their part of the story. — rene 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Note that some site comments, especially comments with certain "trigger" words, can notify one of the site's bots that monitors for these types of comments, which can bring wide-spread attention to your question and your comments, and this can also result in question (or answer) down-votes. Understand that your actions can have consequences. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
"The question isn't very clear and focused. Additionally, the sample data is a little inappropriate. Could you replace it with some other dummy text?" is an extremely disappointing statement coming from a moderator in this situation. — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 1 min ago
 
7:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
"if golang creators introduce opinionated rules and people ask why" then they are asking at the wrong place - why expect someone here to know why the creators did it? - better ask the creators! — user16320675 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I admit the comment wasn't the smartest decision. I could have edited the content and the question wouldn't lose clarity. And I don't deny that the phrase is hate speech when out of context, but as you said it's impossible to know if the poster meant it as such. I may be wrong, but I think CoC forbids hate speech when it's attacking users on the site, not when it's only an input to an application one is in the process of developing. — Dharman ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
As I commented above, I read "a little" as deliberate understatement, rather than actually minimising the problem; evidently, it would have been better avoided because of the possibility for misunderstanding. I also find the original text more childish than shocking - it's the kind of thing that gets edited into Wikipedia articles all the time, and immediately reverted out by bots, and everyone gets on with their lives. — IMSoP 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
@Dharman "but as you said it's impossible to know if the poster meant it as such" That's why I didn't fault declining the flag. My only critique was about the comment and how it was worded. [1/2] — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
"I think CoC forbids hate speech when it's attacking users on the site, not when it's only an input to an application one is in the process of developing" Seriously? Are you telling me that if I post a question in which I have an input string saying something like "the holocaust is a myth" or "black lives don't matter" (disclaimer: I don't believe either of those statements is true), that would be tolerated because I didn't directly attack users on the site and because this was part of an input string? [2/2] — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Sometimes, I may see something that I find R/A but is salvageable. Sometimes I try to salvage it and leave a polite comment, but occasionally (for various reasons), I think the OP may respond poorly to that and so I would prefer a mod do it. In that situation, is it preferred to custom-flag and explain, or is it preferred to go ahead and do it, and only flag if it goes downhill? I.e., is it ok to flag so a mod can deal with a user if I don’t want to myself (assuming it is something that doesn’t strictly require a mod), or should I do it anyway and only flag if it goes poorly…? — cocomac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
If you are afraid of doing it yourself, then I think raising a custom mod flag and stating your concerns is valid. But the flag needs to be clear about it too, not just "please edit this because I don't want to". — Dharman ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
I honestly find the text in question more childish than shocking. Yes, it's inappropriate, and it's possible the question was a deliberate Trojan Horse testing the waters of what would be tolerated; but it's also possible that it was just a joke in very poor taste, or even genuine but unfortunate test data, and the asker would have had no problem with it being quietly edited out. — IMSoP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by puncher
Alright, thanks for this detailed answer! I'll either skip it or look at the original question in future. — puncher 1 min ago
 
7:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Referenced from comments to the 2022-08-20 MSE question Do you receive more and more downvotes on Stack Overflow?. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
It's important to show gratitude in appropriate contexts. But I'm sure if you were writing a Wikipedia article and someone made a helpful edit, you would not add a message of thanks to the article itself, for example. Clearly there are some contexts where it is not correct to write a "thank you", even though in general it is good to show gratitude. People mainly come to Stack Overflow looking for an already-existing Q&A that solves their problem, not to create a new one, so it helps the vast majority of users if the Q&A pages don't contain information-less comments they don't need to see. — kaya3 1 min ago
 
8:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Presuming the time with any significant attention is one page length in the default view (15 per page?) for the tag, you could wait that time (approx. 12 hours) + plus a margin of, say 50%, 18 hours, before answering to avoid votes (in either direction). Or would it have been FGITWed by then? The more difficult and challenging question shouldn't. — Peter Mortensen 11 secs ago
 
8:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Presuming the time with any significant attention is one page length in the default view (15 per page?) for the tag, you could wait that time (approx. 12 hours) + plus a margin of, say 50%, 18 hours, before answering to avoid votes (in either direction). Or would it have been FGITWed by then? The more difficult and challenging question shouldn't be FGITWed. (If it is assumed patrollers use 50 per page, it would be about 30 hours + 50%.) — Peter Mortensen 36 secs ago
 
9:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kemicofa ghost
🤨 Was going to go job hunting and wanted to update my developer story and was surprised to find it gone. This is such a pity because the design on SO is so much better than linkedin and it was my go to link to share. Quite frustrating. — kemicofa ghost 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
I saw that question yesterday when it was posted, saw your answer & upvoted it, and... was waiting for this to happen because that question "fits the pattern" of questions that would get (wrongfully) closed and deleted. See Broccoli's answer below to get an idea of what that pattern is. If you hang out in the regex tag a lot, you start to recognize this and predict which questions will be next. — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 7 secs ago
 
9:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
The question for context: stackoverflow.com/questions/6751749/… -- no moderators were involved there. Two different gold badge holders in the C++ tag closed it — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MGZero
Ah, you're right. I assumed they were mods. — MGZero 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine
@PeterMortensen That wouldn't generally work in the [regex] tag. Some of the users who are doing this (deleting duplicates very frequently, wrongfully closing sometimes,etc.) are, no doubt, experts. And they would usually answer those kinds of questions within hours. Plus the 18h margin is also pretty small in this tag because they regularly check posts created in the last few days + posts that get bumped by answers. P.S. I said "some" because I don't want to name names. — 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
A small note: Closing a question as duplicate is not a punishment nor a bad thing. It helps linking questions together to make the solutions easier to find — Temani Afif 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MGZero
Oh no, I certainly don't see it as a punishment. But, the linking of questions definitely makes a little more sense. — MGZero 1 min ago
 
9:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
You posted a comment here with two offensive phrases used as examples of offensive phrases. Your comment shouldn't be censored, and you shouldn't be punished. Context matters. If you are writing a program to identify hate speech, you are going to need some of it as your input. — Stephen Ostermiller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Doesn’t mean it’s a bad one either, but it doesn’t really matter, because your review suspension isn’t from a single failed audit. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@philipxy it's answering the title of the post. Moderators have no place to tolerate intolerance. End of the discussion. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@jabaa no, the opposite. Moderators only tolerate those that understand the social norm and how not to be a POS to others. This post isn't one of them. — Braiam 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
It looks like your opinion is not well received in this community. — jabaa 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
"The content of the question contained a phrase that is offensive to the Islamic religion, but there was no indication that the author meant it as an insult" if the example data is irrelevant, it can be changed to anything else, like "phrase 1", "phrase 2", "phrase 3", etc. There's no point to keep those examples. — Braiam 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@jabaa well, maybe if you didn't post your comment in the way you posted it, and instead said something like "so you could say that moderators should be sensible and modify the text" it would have gone the other way. — Braiam 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
Don't you think "This site is for everyone that wants technically accurate information about programming, if you will not agree with that, then we can't agree to keep you in." did the job? This sentence in the context of racism is "brave". — jabaa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@philipxy I made the same point on my answer. There's nothing appropriate on that phrase, and the same way that the moderator could have declined the flags it could modify the example data, thus teaching users what to do when they find such examples. — Braiam 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@StephenOstermiller and yet, the content is irrelevant and you can change it afterwards. If you are searching for offensive phrases, the sample data isn't enough anyways and will require more phrases. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@jabaa if you read the quoted text it says specifically that "the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms". We can't be inclusive to people that doesn't abide by the terms of inclusiveness. It's not an "everyone in", kind of situation. It's a "everyone in that wants everyone in". — Braiam 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jabaa
You're telling people to tolerate hate speech or leave this platform. Do you really believe that this concept could work? — jabaa 9 secs ago
 
10:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
@Karl that is an incorrect read of the old question. Not only did the asker demonstrate that pushing objects into a result array in a loop provides the desired structure, the asker literally asked if there is a single call like $result->fetch_objects(). Both questions are seeking the exact same resultant structure. I explain this in my answer below. — mickmackusa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bobble bubble
@PeterMortensen The downvotes occured hours later (I think the first at least 12 hours after I posted my answer). I get downvoted rarely. The last weeks I already noticed some weird downvotes. Though I never got that many downvotes since I'm here on SO. All these negative votes at a normal answer looked like a bully-voting to me and of course that's annoying. I'm not aware of any reason I could have provided. The question read to me like an average and intersting regex question. Personally I downvote rarely and if I do, I usually leave a comment and retract my vote if the answer gets improved. — bobble bubble 49 secs ago
 
11:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Please clarify via edits, not comments. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I have no idea what point you are trying to make in your answer because it is extremely unclear. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@Braiam I have no idea what point you are trying to make in your answer because it is extremely unclear. — philipxy 45 secs ago
 
11:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
This doesn't seem to address the question that was asked. Did you meant post this on another question? Regardless, link-only answers are not good answers, even in Meta. — TylerH 15 secs ago
 
11:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MGZero
I appreciate your clarification! — MGZero 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@MGZero No problem. BTW, It looks like I never responded to your first comment to me (on the linked question). I don't know whether I missed it, was busy, or just forgot to respond, but I should have explained my reasoning at the time. Sorry about that. — cigien 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MGZero
No worries, can't expect everyone to be at their machine all day answering questions. We have lives haha. — MGZero 1 min ago
 

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