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12:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
It was just rejected by Ryan M♦ one minute ago, so a diamond mod agreed the edit was wrong. — cocomac 1 min ago
 
 
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1:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"what you'd like to say, educational as it you may think it, is just what you're not permitted to say." This only happens because of the emotional aspect. With a better mindset, educational things can be said; and IMO they should be said. After all, some users do come back, and it's better that they know what to do next time. — Karl Knechtel 55 secs ago
 
1:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tgdavies
What are we not permitted to say? I vote to close most new questions in [java], but I always leave a comment suggesting improvement or debugging steps the user could take (unless its a straight duplicate) — tgdavies 1 min ago
 
1:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@Braiam "Improving" requires that something of the original remains. You can't improve a house by tearing it down, removing the foundation, all plumbing and wiring connections from the outside, and starting over. That's "building a new house", not "improving the old house". — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
 
 
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2:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@HereticMonkey no, improving means that it's better than what it was. If it's required to be totally remade from the ground up, that's still improving. It's called total re-engineering. Restricting "improvements" to only those actions that keep something is one of the many shortcomings that many organizations have. Heck, if you don't do that you will be stuck with legacy systems that kinda-but-not-sorta work and you only try to patch it up to keep it going. If you ever had to deal with such system, that's what this "rule" is about. — Braiam 54 secs ago
 
3:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Additional info: from the oldest non-deleted questions, looks like the tag has already existed before this question (Jun 15, 2020) since the user doesn't have enough rep to create the tag, so it's unclear when the tag was first originated. Nevertheless, let's throw it to the bottomless pit... — Andrew T. 1 min ago
 
3:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by richardec
55 questions...this will be easy. I'll start now, if no one objects... — richardec 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
@richardec Sorry, can't. Official policy because it has over 50 questions and I'm not an expert on bottoms, and because I haven't conferred with a 20k-er, I must follow the official burnination process, which means it gets proposed, then featured, then un-punned, and finally dealt with. Sorry, but it says we can't get rid of it without doing that as it has over exactly 50 questions and I'm not an expert on bottoms. — cocomac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Half of this makes you kind of the symptom as to why no one wants to explain their downvotes, and the other half is that the Help Center really does need to be straightened up to give you the info you need in a quicker fashion. If you click that giant question-mark button at the top and search for "voting", you'll find a wealth of information about why some content was downvoted. It won't ever be able to explain your specific case - and to be honest, we can't either because we probably didn't cast that vote. So, the generic info is about as good as it'll get. — Makoto 52 secs ago
 
4:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@cocomac that's strictly speaking only you as the requester, other users can edit how they like. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
4:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GettingStarted With123
thanks @makoto and cant help the irony of the situation , i get 3 downvotes for this response of mine :) — GettingStarted With123 1 min ago
 
5:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Just a quick FYI, you don't need to create a meta post for each and every bad review you encounter: we have BSOR chat room. It is frequented by moderators and active reviewers who can both help get the incorrect outcome overridden. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Best Advice from all Answers (about 'Code Review'), I'll give it a "Try" for myself also..., I've been using the S-Word from time to time, since 8 or 10 years, so maybe I've had a "Burn-out" all this time... (But I'm the only Mod on the Tech Forum for the ProgLang for the small Tag I answer on this Site, and I usually soften my "angry/ugly" first Replies a few hours later or the next day, my "Motivation" is still to help Users... And sometimes being "toxic" (or "not nice") is the Best Way to help them...) — chivracq 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Let's say I didn't notice how the tag suddenly got only 49 questions. As for conferring with a trusted user, we should probably revisit that rule, it has been bothering me for a while. Much as I love adhering to rules, it puts an unnecessary high bar on expedited burninations. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@chivracq: Yeah, I'm not sure my "make them feel stupid for asking" is really synonymous with "toxic". Perhaps an "unnecessarily"? When I first wrote this answer, I'd included "intentionally make them feel stupid", but someone can be toxic unintentionally when that wasn't their goal, I think. Depending on exactly what meaning you give it; it's not synonymous with "unwelcoming". (It's a worse offense if it's intentionally belittling someone, though.) — Peter Cordes 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
Anyway yeah, some questions are garbage, and I'm not saying you have to sugar-coat anything, but there's a difference between "this post is off topic because x y z, and you haven't given anyone enough information to help you". vs. "you should have known better" - even though that's true, it's not helpful to say it. — Peter Cordes 50 secs ago
 
5:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
To add to the above, a cursory glance on questions tells me that most, if not all, do not need that tag. Burnination guidance does not prevent does not prevent you and others from retagging posts correctly - feel free to retag as you please if you can find a more suitable tag. Since you don't have full editing privileges, though, please make sure the posts you are fixing are edited to remove as many issues as possible. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I didn't make the policy, I'm just trying to follow the policies. For actual editing, I'll probobly leave that to 2k-ers as the SO edit queue has been totally full for over a week, so I can't actually edit anything... but that is a different issue. I don't really mind the extra ceremony for deleting tags, especially if it comes with a health dose of puns. That said, making it a bit easier would be handy. Getting a score of twenty votes may take a while if this post doesn't get popular overnight. I may try to get a mod to feature it, if needed to expedite this process — cocomac 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
"from strangers on the internet that they didn't already respect", well Rep helps quite a lot for that on SO, and new/1-Rep Users understand that very quickly, ah-ah...! Same on "my" ('phpBB') Tech Forum, they quickly notice my "different" Colour + 10k(+) Posts... // Found 'Code Review', not "too easy": URL GOTO=https://stackexchange.com/sites#technology CLICK X=816 Y=556 or Coord [9,-4]. — chivracq 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@chivracq The kind of people who post seriously garbage questions that expect mind-reading (or are just gimme-the-code questions) usually have a large enough sense of entitlement to see high-rep users opposing them as enemies / gate-keepers, not people to be respected. — Peter Cordes 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Were you, somehow, using that abominable new editor to post this? Somehow, a bunch of Markdown in your post got escaped, resulting in the posting of raw Markdown instead of rendered text, and I just can't see how that would have been what you intended. (I've edited now, just pinging just in case I missed some reason for this.) Also, thanks for weighing in here; I love it when experts who actually use the tags to find questions take the time to post answers on these proposals! — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@NickstandswithUkraine No. Everyone must follow the process, not just the requester. Vigilante tag removals are a way bigger problem and cause way more headaches than having a barrier to entry. — Cody Gray ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
@CodyGray What happens if edits ignoring that rule are made…? Should they be rolled back? — cocomac 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
It's always nearly full, @cocomac :) Unfortunately, it seems like even with the renewed interest in reviewing suggested edits, we can't keep up with all the "fixed gremmer" edits that are thrown our way... We've been trying to coordinate burninations lately, so hopefully those will become a little bit more orderly in the upcoming months. As for the rules, yeah, there are some barriers that are a bit unreasonable for low-volume easy to handle tags, we should probably revisit them. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
If you want to start a discussion about the Ship of Theseus or bacterial replication, please do so as a new Q&A, not in the already ridiculously long comment thread here. Heretic has adequately summarized the standard policy, which is that you're welcome to improve things, even drastically, so long as you don't simply delete and replace them with something new. If you want to delete things, well, there's a button for that, and it isn't labeled "edit". @Braiam — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@CodyGray Then the guidance should be added to the official stack help pages, not the ever worthless meta FAQ. It should also be updated to remove all instances of "you" directed at the asker. — Nick stands with Ukraine 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@cocomac - the rules do not entail that other users can't edit those posts at all to remove the tag that does not belong there (provided it truly does not belong) - however, as with all edits, they should strive to improve the post in as many ways as possible, not just serve as a way to burn the tag without burnination. Frankly, the edit you linked is on the post that just deserves to go, not sure it was beneficial to waste time on editing it. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It is a suspendable offense, and moderators have issued suspensions numerous times for this. That guidance is directed at the person considering proposing a burnination request, which is why it uses the pronoun "you". The general guidance/documentation you're looking for is here: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/356963 @Nick — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@CodyGray And where there does it mention which tags that applies? Does it apply to tags with a single question? That would be a tag removal after all. So you're pointing at another badly defined process which doesn't actually give any reason for editors not to go and remove small tags. — Nick stands with Ukraine 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Can clarification of who it applies to and that policy go somewhere other than these comments, please? It isn’t relevant to this specific question, so can that discussion be send to chat? It isn’t related to this tag removal request specifically, and it is getting to be a longer discussion — cocomac 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yep, + the "have to be nice" on SO... On "my" Forum (but on SO also), I just put a Reply/Comment with stg like "Meet my Quality (+ Follow-up) Criteria", ... and they always comply after a few days when nobody else has tried to help them, ... or they get angry because they refuse to mention 3 Versions about their Env and call me "all names", but boah..., I like collecting "moron" in as many Languages as possible, ah-ah...! // "Mind Reading" is usually not a Pb in my Tag but answering is as it quickly requires a nD Matrix of if/else with 'n' starting at 6 or 8... — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It applies to the attempted removal of any tag, @Nick. It does not apply to tags with only a single question; that's an exemption specifically carved out in the burnination process that you do not like. If you think the policy's explanation is unclear in a way that contributed to your genuine misunderstanding of it, then you are welcome to submit an edit. I'm going to just rest on the laurels of common sense here. — Cody Gray ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@CodyGray as am I, common sense says the process is wasteful of effort and unnecessary when the tags in question are clearly unhelpful. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Can we please move this debate to chat, please? If we must argue over it and debate the policy, let’s not do that in the comments. I have no issue with discussing it, but the comments here are not the appropriate place for that. I’ve made a room for this debate - chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/245092/…cocomac 1 min ago
 
6:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The is the most downvoted meta question of all time (by a wide margin: -3540 votes vs. the second last at -1132 votes). — Peter Mortensen 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"Stack Overflow", not "StackOverflow". See e.g. "Proper Use of the Stack Exchange Name". — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"Stack Overflow", not "StackOverflow". See e.g. "Proper Use of the Stack Exchange Name". — Peter Mortensen 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
"Stack Overflow", not "Stackoverflow". See e.g. "Proper Use of the Stack Exchange Name". — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
7:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The message says: "Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question." Have you done that? What is unclear about that? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
About the gold tag hammering: hanging out in the appropriate chat rooms can get you vital help both for hammering and feedback on canonicals. Getting others involved like this can also take away the pressure of being a lone wolf that occasionally receives flak for curation activities. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevlar
I read that article, but do not understand what is the issue? Do you see the same info there? — Kevlar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
If one finds themselves voting for reasons that are not fine to say, perhaps it is time to consider whether the vote is not fine either. The anonymity of voting is not there to mask misdeeds. If one is unsure how to give appropriate feedback, perhaps it is better to slow down and learn that instead of doing appropriate actions with an inappropriate internal narrative. — MisterMiyagi 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
When copy & paste searching by log message eg. example, it reflects the content of the question - where the expected answer is always the new class or method, which substitutes the deprecated one. I'd agree as far as this tag by itself has no meaning - but combined with eg. PHP or Java, it has. When only knowing JavaScript, one might not understand it's meaning. — Martin Zeitler 44 secs ago
 
7:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justanotherguy
Why not just posts where upvotes > 0? — justanotherguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
Radically burning everything that isn't a product name may reduce the site's searchability - because when searching by class or method, one is not interested in how to use that (it's all irrelevant answers), but what else to use (the current answer). — Martin Zeitler 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"it feels like I have to do more administrative work than actually help people" - helping people is in hindsight on this site and that means you can only rely on statistics. You have a respectable amount of reputation, I am sure a lot of that came from people who were helped by what you did. You don't get it from the administration work. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Agreed, but I do see how doing such things frequently can make one feel toxic. This topic is not so much about what is and is not toxic, it is more about how it affects the psyche of the curator. — Gimby 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Additionally, we don't have tags for books" - there is a first time for everything. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Weller
@justanotherguy: because that gives you a list of posts. What would you do with that list? Having a badge or not having a badge is a yes/no question. — Thomas Weller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Maybe books are popular, but 80 questions in 14 years does not scream popular to me. At least it does not do anything for easier locating of answers. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Gimby Neat, I wrote three books, maybe I can start my own tag ;) — Dalija Prasnikar 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What's the issue with it being a relatively low-usage tag? I'm not following. — Cody Gray ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
A mockup of what you want to achieve is probably a huge boon for that question. Also you have to be careful how you phrase things, asking if it should be done with flexbox or grid is very opinionated and questions that look opinionated are closed very fast indeed, even if the actual opinion is pretty much fluff that can just be removed from the question. You do not need to ask that, if there is a preference the answers will show that. — Gimby 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
It promotes poor tag usage. And then it may create problems if "bad" tag becomes too popular. Additionally, I landed to the tag through recently asked question where efective-c++ was the only tag. If you don't have bad tags offered out of the box, more appropriate tags would be used. But, I understand your point. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S. Dre
In the other case, I think it would say something like "Earn a score of 1 or more in your first/first ever published question". I find it pretty intuitive as it is right now. — S. Dre 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
(Impressive!). I'd be more interested in a meta post discussing if such tags have value first though :) Cody makes a fair point for this incredibly specific book tag, but that does not imply they should just be created on a whim. This seems more like an exception to the rule, but I can't speak for others. — Gimby 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Perhaps it is comparable to patterns (and anti-patterns)? - an inventory of things to do (only if in the prescriptive camp), look out for, check for, avoid, or refer to (a glossary of sorts). (Not a rhetorical question.) — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
Only 80 questions but there are doubtless many more to which the tag could be added. I've certainly come across a few, and never even noticed that the tag existed. But low usage is not, in itself, a reason for burnination, IMHO. — Adrian Mole 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@AdrianMole I agree that low usage is not a reason for burnination. But low usage combined with ambiguity (beyond it is a book series). I don't know what effective means. It is a catch phrase. It is good for a book title, but IMHO it is not a good tag. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Still sounds a lot like the argument that we shouldn't have tags named for non-venomous constrictor snakes because people will get confused. — Cody Gray ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@PeterMortensen In that regard, effective-anything could be just replaced with pattern or anti-pattern. — Dalija Prasnikar 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
You should not have taken the red pill:) — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
It looks like you have since edited the question but when you did so you didn't send it to the review; so it was unlikely anything would happen. You have, however, since done a further edit and sent it to the review queue. As for why it was initially closed, that is because it was little more than a brief description and a hyperlink; that doesn't meet the expectations and guidelines of the site. It looks like you're yet to take the tour too, I would suggest you do. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Last time that they changed fonts, that I'm aware of, was May last year: We are switching to system fonts on May 10, 2021Larnu 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
I checked the CSS and it's still using these font stacks: --ff-sans: -apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI Adjusted","Segoe UI","Liberation Sans",sans-serif;Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tamás Sengel
@AndrewT. Yes, that's weird. This snapshot still gets displayed with the system font and the font stacks are seemingly the same: web.archive.org/web/20220527023613/https://stackoverflow.com‌​/…Tamás Sengel 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
"Additionally, we don't have tags for books, " - effective-java. I'd find more, but tag search is useless — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tamás Sengel
@AndrewT. I checked and there are no font overrides. — Tamás Sengel 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justanotherguy
Ah! Right. Gotta brush up on my SQL😅 — justanotherguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
downvoter, care to comment? — Tintin 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
So, is that content from 2008 not useful today then? — rene 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
jeepers, give people time to actually type a comment (or answer). — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
@rene is this what you got from my post? — Tintin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
I knew I was risking getting downvotes by posting this "controversial" question (popular guys wouldn't like this question :-)). But I still thought it was worth asking. — Tintin 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ayxan Haqverdili
While this might be a fair request, why do you care about other people's fake internet points? It's not like anyone is making money off of this. — Ayxan Haqverdili 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
@AyxanHaqverdili we are mostly programmers. Programmers sometimes do take these things seriously :-) — Tintin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I think I ran out of room to list all of the duplicates. This question has been asked many times before and discussed ad nauseam. The vast majority of these old, highly-scored questions got those votes over time, not during some heyday period from 2008–12 where everyone got rich. — Cody Gray ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
As a prolific commenter, I should probably heed this advice more; but leaving a comment is often also a good way to help someone, if only to help them understand how the site works, or where to look for existing questions about their topic. — tripleee 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
3 downvotes without a comment! — Tintin 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You got 3 comments! Also, no one is ever supposed to post comments when they vote. — Cody Gray ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
@CodyGray so do you think a question as simple as the one that I mentioned in my post, if posted today has a chance to get the same popularity by 2026? — Tintin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
It might do, if it's unique and very useful to many people, @Tintin . — Larnu 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Absolutely. New languages/technologies are invented all the time, and questions about those grow organically just as the old questions did. Now, you're not going to be able to roll up and ask basic questions about C or Git, because those have already been asked, but luckily, technology is not static. And, besides, the goal of this site (see tour) is not earning reputation: it's to create a knowledge base of high-quality answers to programming questions. So, if we've got an old, high-quality Q&A that a lot of people found useful, then we've already won. Relevant: xkcd.com/810Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I knew I was risking getting downvotes. Whoa there, stop. You do not get downvotes, the suggestion does. It is best to get in a habit of using terminology which does not imply it is personal, there are already too many people that feel personally attacked by simple and neutral administration. Indeed if you post something on meta, there is a really, really high chance it'll receive downvotes. Because voting on meta is different. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"for someone who gets downvoted" - I think I may have an OCD after all, that kicked me so hard. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Never forget: Administrative work is helping people. It's helping people easily find the right answer without much noise, which probably is >95% of the usefulness of Stack Overflow. The amount of users using Stack Overflow as a knowledge repository far exceeds those asking questions. It's just not as gratifying since you don't get points/green checkmarks/etc and you don't know who you're helping, but imo it's far more important. — Erik A 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
[...] do you think a question as simple as the one that I mentioned in my post, if posted today has a chance to get the same popularity by 2026? Yesrene 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
@Gimby I deleted the question, how come it reopened? Can moderators do that? — Tintin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
Thats weird! So now I have no way to stop my question getting 200 downvotes? — Tintin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
That is correct. — rene 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
Is that some kind of roast? Am I not allowed to rectify my "mistake" :-) — Tintin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Please note that this is not your question, this is a contribution licensed to the community by the terms of CC-BY-SA license. The ability to delete is provided as a courtesy for the author, but that's not a right. If a moderator thinks this post should not go, that is correct, you can't stop it from getting any number of downvotes. You can request disassociation from a post from a company, though, but I doubt they will be willing to grant a request just because of a single Meta post. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
@Ol I understand the part that this is SO's property! But what I dont understand, why would a moderator re-open a duplicate question (by their own declaration). A question which is obviously not getting any popular. — Tintin 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Please also note that there are no question bans on Meta. Also that downvotes are not punishment. They mean that 9 (ATM) users read your post and disagreed it is useful - just that, no reason to sweat about it. As for the undeletion (not reopening, the post wasn't reopened), you'll have to ask @CodyGray. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Why would you ask a question and then immediately delete it? Seems abusive. Obviously you thought it was worth asking, so why does it now need to be immediately deleted? If you couldn't find that this had been discussed before, then presumably others wouldn't be able to find those prior discussions, either, so they may find this post useful. Although it may end up deleted, it shouldn't be deleted right after it is asked when people are still reading and commenting on it. It makes no sense. Downvotes mean that people disagree with the question's premise. That's not a reason to delete anything — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tintin
@CodyGray that makes sense. Thanks for taking time to explain. — Tintin 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bart
If you're asking literally just that, you're doing it wrong. If you want to know why it is banned, read through meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=what%20have%20you%20triedBart 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Just... don't get hang up on votes on either main or, especially, on Meta. Here, they can mean a number of things: that the reader is tired of seeing the same point reiterated over and over, that the suggsstion is unpopular, that the issue is too minor, that there are genuine problems with the post, you name it. There is no shame in asking and there is no need to delete at the first sign of trouble. Meta votes also do not affect your main site rep points, so there is literally no punishment as well as figuratively. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 15 secs ago
 
10:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
As I've said before, the system should make it impossible to comment on a post that you've downvoted, and vice versa. IMHO, that would eliminate most angry reprisals, revenge downvotes, etc. — PM 2Ring 19 secs ago
 
10:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I assume you know this, @Zoe, but Joshua Bloch's Effective Java series of books was inspired by Scott Meyers's Effective C++ series. It's a great format, and it should exist for more languages. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
10:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@CodyGray Maybe I should reconsider my approach and start writing "Effective Delphi" series ;) — Dalija Prasnikar 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
I didn't say delete. But if my question is unclear or too broad and I reformulate it, that's called edit. I do not need to remove it. Also, policy can be clear and wrong. That policy goes against the actual policy of "Edits are expected to be substantial and to leave the post better than you found it". I'm not discussing Theseus ship, I'm discussing backwards policy that de-naturalize the essence of the site. But apparently, moderators aren't ready for that conversation yetBraiam 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by m.reiter
Now it's May '22 and we're still waiting... — m.reiter 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@CodyGray I didn't, I've yet to read a single programming book :p my point was purely that we do have tags for books. Whether we should is a different question I'm not addressing — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
If someone is burnt out from the low-quality questions and answers on this site, then I would not recommend going for the review queues. I think that will only make the burn out worse, as it will purposely confront you with more low-quality stuff... — Mark Rotteveel 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tamás Sengel
Firefox and Safari use the system font. I guess this is only in Chromium-based browsers. — Tamás Sengel 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
I think we removed a tag for top or I'm missing something? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@DalijaPrasnikar was the question answered? If it wasn't, then that means that the tag is causing real harm. Most of the question's I've found the tag was added post-facto, and many answered without the tag. So, at best, the tag didn't do anything. — Braiam 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
Do what I've done at times. Just step away for a bit. Think about and do other things. I've completely stopped reviewing when it became obvious that I was burning out and making stupid mistakes as a result. Now that I spend more time commenting and occassionally just dropping in on a post outside of review and curating from there, it's quite a bit more relaxing. — ouflak 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The last link is an attempt to advertise/promote a website, — Larnu just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by milia
It'd be great if we would be allowed to see the number of items in that queue. Tried posting a new edit about PII information shared on a GCP question and I get the 'the edit queue is full, check in a few minutes' message. — milia 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by idmean
Just remember to stay polite and kind. It only becomes toxic if you start talking down to people and belittling them. — idmean 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I suspect the user was posting links to a site (the one in the second URL) and not disclosing their affiliation, and when they were banned and/or deleted the community bot deleted all their content as spam; making an unclear audit. — Larnu 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mario Petrovic
Hmm, could be the second link in question. — Mario Petrovic 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@CorneliusRoemer: that only applies to duplicate closing, not to closing in general. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Are you, perhaps, question banned, and so thought that posting here would avoid said ban? Read What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”? Posting on meta doesn't get around a question ban on Stack Overflow; you need to improve the quality of your existing questions (including deleted ones). If you have posted here in error, then you need to delete this question and post it over on Stack Overflow. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It was spam; the final link (flowerbrackets.com) is something that has been spammed to this site multiple times, from multiple user accounts. However, there is no reasonable way that you, as a reviewer, could have divined that, since you can't see any information about a deleted user, so unless you just remembered seeing a lot of spam for that site, you'd have no reason to even be suspicious. Therefore, this was a bad audit, because audits are supposed to be obvious. I've taken steps to remove it as an audit candidate now. — Cody Gray ♦ 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
That said, you should have easily been able to pass the audit by using the information (breadcrumbs) that the system presented to you in the review queue interface. Didn't it tell you to suspect that it was spam? You could have gone to check the post to see if it had been deleted from the site. That would have been a great clue, and more than enough to pass the audit in order to prove to the system that you were paying attention, not just randomly clicking buttons. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mathieu Guindon
I posted from mobile, ...thought something was weird. Thanks for the edits! — Mathieu Guindon 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Indeed, in my experience when the UI tells you that it is potentially spam, 9/10 times it's an audit. Spam tends to get nuked really fast, so you'll hardly run into them into the wild I guess. — Gimby just now
 
12:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
Silently down-voting or close-voting often leaves users confused and unhappy. The advice they get from the help built into the site is often... not great. I leave a lot of constructive comments and get surprising little unwanted attention from it. I fully support the use of canned comments for common situations. I also support holding your tongue if you can't be nice or constructive. For me, the time to shut up is when somebody replies to me in a way that is argumentative. Letting others have the last word is better than getting involved to the point where I can no longer be constructive. — Stephen Ostermiller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Braiam No, the question wasn't answered. I added the c++ tag and voted to close. At the end it was closed as unclear and author deleted it. — Dalija Prasnikar 15 secs ago
 
12:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mario Petrovic
@CodyGray got it. Thanks for the actions you have take and i appreciate your comment. It gives me input to consider. As for the part that was flagged as a spam, i think it did not have that orange box that said that, i may be wrong i cant remember. But i do go into pages with answers and questions when i do reviews, it's just that this time it was obvious that it is a good answer. Maybe i missed that box with "spam message" and did not go into that page to check it out. I will pay more attention for sure. Thanks for your time — Mario Petrovic 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riceblades
@S.Dre It says "First question with score of 1 or more" — Riceblades 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@mickmackusa so what do you think - community wiki canonical or are you going to go with another? — Nick 25 secs ago
 
1:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Look for good questions you feel are worth your time to answer and skip everything else" -> funny you should say that because that's a vicious circle. In trying to find such a question you will have to plow through mountains of administrative work. — Gimby 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mickmackusa
I have begun closing from most recent to least recent. I ran out of votes for today. I have decided to use the first nominated page in your answer. — mickmackusa 56 secs ago
 
1:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Let Stack Overflow know which one is your "main" account and they'll merge based off that one. — Larnu 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
FWIW, I applaud that you ask this question rather than making assumptions and deleting whatever you can. I choose to upvote this very honest and worthwhile question, even if it is a duplicate. But I also understand why it receives downvotes as the question itself kind of implies you are trying to do a quick hack to get out of a question ban. Haste is what tends to get people into it in the first place, you need to switch gears to get out of it again I'm afraid. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
BTW, and this is kinda funny, this question was asked with the c++11 tag, only to be later added the effective-c++ tag. But no one, until today, edited in the c++ tag. If it gets answered or closed for adding that tag, then that's pretty darn evidence that these tags don't fulfill the main purpose they should have. — Braiam 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
AFAIK, you can't. The main account will always be the oldest (lowest ID number) one. — Andrew T. 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
"If you do all of the actions in your post without commentary ... then it is not really toxic" I agree, but new users don't seem to see it that way. Just recently I saw someone posted "I'm ashamed to be part of this community" when they got 2 downvotes. It seems to me that the system — Michael 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@DonaldDuck maybe I'm thinking about button? Or the more generic term like positioningBraiam 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevlar
Thank you all for the replies. Wow, I didn't know that everything is so super strict here. I understand that there should be order in almost everything. But even here, for my question, I already received -12 ((( This is sad — Kevlar 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berthold
Yes, next to the Articles tab, as seen here: stackoverflow.com/collectives/gitlabBerthold ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@Berthold thanks for pointing it out, I couldn't see it. — bad_coder 20 secs ago
 
2:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Stack Overflow gets anywhere from 5000-8000+ questions per day, that should put into perspective why it is important that you search for your answers before you go as far as asking a question, and why the question you ask needs to be pretty much brilliant. It is going to be competing with 5000-8000+ other questions. — Gimby 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@mickmackusa I did the 2015s but likewise ran out of votes... — Nick 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
(or in the case of CSS, experiment, experiment, experiment. Resources such as the complete guide to flexbox and the complete guide to grid are the only things I need to work out my layout issues) — Gimby 1 min ago
 
2:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I agree. Just remove it. — Robert Harvey 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@CodyGray: According to the documentation process that you linked, this tag qualifies for abbreviated removal. Don't make us go through that overwrought burnination process just for 47 questions with a shitty tag on them. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Asking the question grants you the opportunity to learn things about the site that can prevent you from getting angry at it in the future. Nothing wrong with that. For what it's worth, I feel you. I too think that time can make post scores lose their value. I personally assume high number = old and therefor I don't let myself be impressed by it. I frequently find my solutions in late answers with -1, 0 or at most 1 point. A good researcher does not do selective reading. — Gimby 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Some positive Feedback indeed about 'Code Review', after some "semi-quick" look...: The Quality of Threads/Qt's is indeed "pretty decent", and even from 1-Rep Users, I was surprised to notice, and the Qt's are "broader" and more "brain challenging" than on SO, often about Algorithmic/Optimisation/Performance, and don't require finding some canonical "Read the Documentation and/or search the Site, your Qt has already been asked and answered" like "too often" on SO... => Good Advice indeed...! — chivracq 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
It had at least 55 questions when this meta post was made. (I checked a few minutes after it was posted) — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
That's close enough. Moderation is an exercise in judgement; let's use the right judgement here. — Robert Harvey 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
@RobertHarvey It had over 50 yesterday until someone took it upon themselves to start removing the tag. Cody Gary said suspensions have been issued for that in the past, as that isn’t allowed. We had this exact discussion yesterday. Those comments are now gone for getting out of hand, but Cody Gary said policy is policy, and we must follow it. If you don’t like that, start a new Meta question. We’re not going to argue over this in the comments like we did yesterday. I’d prefer to not get the exact same argument removed from the comments a second time. Ignoring the policy is suspend ablecocomac 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
You don't have to lecture me. I know what the rules are. I also know the consequences for slavishly and blindly following rules. — Robert Harvey 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Yesterday a diamond mod (Cody Gary) said we must follow the policy, and not doing so is a suspendable offense. That comment chain is gone for being off track, but we need to follow the rule. We spent half an hour arguing over this in the comments yesterday, let’s not do that again — cocomac 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@cocomac having "50" as a hard number is moronic at best. That "rule" is more of a guidance, which wasn't considered on the original and it is unique to SO. So, maybe consider that the policy is wrong and following it just cause pain. — Braiam 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
I fully agree. The rule is overkill and problematic for smaller tags like this, and I think it needs a bit of a re-work. At the same time, I’m this same argument from yesterday, a mod said people ignoring this policy had bred suspended in the past, and that we have to follow it. I fully agree that the rule is problematic. At the same time, I’d like to not get suspended,. If you choose to ignore that rule and go burninate the tag yourself and get suspended, that’s on you and you have been warned. — cocomac 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
You can't get suspended for something somebody else did. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yep, I agree with @Gimby 's Remark... The most "depressing" Experience on SO is reviewing 50 or 100 Qt's from the "First Questions" Review Queue... — chivracq 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@cocomac not only that, but if I for example decided to remove tags from some questions since when I saw it it was below 50, I can't be suspended for acting in good faith. Or more like, I can, but it would be unfair. — Braiam 11 secs ago
 
3:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
"The review queues don't involve leaving comments", you should maybe mention which Queues you mean, because with (only) 0.5k-Rep myself, I "only" have Access to the "First Questions" + "Low Quality" + "First/Late Answers" Queues and those Queues nearly require leaving Comments for most Questions as there is only a "Looks OK" Button and no "Doesn't look OK" or "Low Quality" Button... — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@Gimby I do appreciate the edit but the tone of my response there is that people still presume they're being downvoted, even though we don't downvote people - we downvote content. Someone lashing out at us is seldom because they thought their question was downvotable - they've more than likely taken it as an attack on their own character. — Makoto 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
@Braiam, how would it be acting in "Good Faith" if you knew the circumstances about the below 50? — Stephen Rauch ♦ 1 min ago
@Michael or it's a problem with people who don't ask acceptable questions. You don't hear all the people understanding and following the rules because they aren't loudly complaining. — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@StephenRauch: I think you misunderstood Braiam's comment. He was positing a hypothetical based on knowledge at the time. There are no other circumstances. — Robert Harvey 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by richardec
(@cocomac Keep in mind that Robert Harvey was a Stack Overflow moderator.) — richardec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Just as I came to this question and saw that the number of questions containing this tag was below the magic threshold. — Robert Harvey 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@richardec Lesson learned: resigning your post only causes you to lose your authority, nothing more. — Robert Harvey 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
I wasn’t trying to lecture anyone, and I apologize if it came across that way. I was told by Cody yesterday that I have to follow the policy, and I’m trying to do that. I’m feeling a bit frustrated because I’m now-deleted comments we had this same discussion yesterday and doing it again after the mod note was a bit frustrating to me — cocomac 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
I guess it means the bottom of something or someone, of course, for people programming ML models to recognize nice bottoms. — Erik A 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Spotting plagiarism is so important for curators; learning how to spot it is something you learn. I, personally, have a mistrust of low reputation users who post content like what you saw in your review; especially so when the content is written like it had formatting and blocks of text that appear to be missing. — Larnu just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
You could notice the tone, google the content and see what you find. — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
Was the comment pointing out the plagiarism visible when you saw the answer? — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine
@cocomac People have been suspended for similar offenses in the past, but my understanding of that particular incident was that the tags were much larger than the threshold, and that they were tags that many users were likely to oppose removing if given a chance to voice their objections. This tag was close to the threshold, and I have a hard time understanding why anyone would object to this. I still don't agree with the unilateral edits in this case, but it seems like it's much less objectionable than the incident in the linked post. — EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Given that there isn’t a technology to be an expert in, does it have to get featured? Or are we allowed to just… do it? — cocomac 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
I have to remind that the magic threshold is not the only rule for expedited burnination. It also requires input from at least one 20k+ user and at least a bronze badge from the tag or related tags. Is that restriction unreasonable? Likely, and I am actually for rethinking the rule. However, the point is that just going under 50 questions does not make the tag "fair game". I also would like to note that the rule shouldn't lock anyone from removing it where it does no belong at all, provided that the goal of the edit is not to just remove but fix everything that is wrong with the post. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Fun fact, @cocomac - the post just went over the threshold for featuring :) — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pitamer
@khelwood Yup, and I believe comments are never visible on First Answers audits, but I'm not 100% sure on that. It makes sense though because that would enable reviewers to interact with comments on deleted posts, see that they can't and figure out it's an audit — pitamer 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
There are many existing discussions on the topic which can be found meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=plagiarism+review+first+post , some good guidance on checking for plagiarism can be found meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/414925/…. — Alexei Levenkov 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cocomac
Yay! If a mod sees this, mind featuring this post? It won’t let me feature things — cocomac 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
I believe what you are looking for is covered in FAQ (which I picked as duplicate). In particular: "Looks pretty good, maybe even a little too good, especially on a question with an accepted answer already: Open the answer link in a new tab and scroll up and down from the answer position to see if it's plagiarism..." - following that would show the post as (deleted) audit. You may actually follow deeper "plagiarism detection" flow suggested for Wiki edits. — Alexei Levenkov 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I understand why this was attractive to dupe close against the general First Posts guidance, but that guidance doesn't even mention off-site plagiarism– only plagiarism of on-site answers. — zcoop98 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Johannes Pertl
Thanks for the info, but this seems like an arbitrary constraint. Any idea on how to submit a feature request for that? — Johannes Pertl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Come to think of it... Do we have to make it a burnination? It looks like a milder disambiguation request would do just fine. It's clearly used on on-topic questions, and in about 50% of the time it means vertical / horizontal alignment in CSS, in other cases - to refer to Flutter's bottom nav bar, plus several cases where it does not belong, like, at all ("populate a hierarchy tree from bottom to top" - glad [top] is no more, or they would've tagged tag with it). — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@AlexeiLevenkov My point is that the duped FAQ does not contain guidance to check for off-site plagiarism, audit or no. — zcoop98 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The authoritative knowledge (bronze badge) stipulation does not include the tag under consideration for expedited burnination. Since the scenario only applies to tags with 50 or fewer questions, it is impossible to have a bronze badge in such a tag. To your question, in this case the tag being considered is so vague/broad that there are no "related" tags/technologies. Thus we can I think just ignore that requirement rather than say "oh, well, sorry, catch-22"... when we designed the new/current process, we wanted to reduce friction in using it, not introduce gotchas. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
You can either post it on here or Meta Stack Exchange and see if SE staff may consider it. Also, consider the guide to write a good feature request, especially by providing supportive reasons. This is because while the community can evaluate and give feedback/criticism to the request, only SE staff has the final decision, and they have limited resources. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@OlegValteriswithUkraine If there's any hesitation, perhaps it will be of comfort that I agree it should be removed, and am also a trusted user. So you have multiple trusted users (one of whom is a former moderator) and anywhere from 6 or 7 to 22 other users who agree it should be removed, based on the scores of the Q and As here. That is quite a comfortable margin above the "one trusted user" requirement. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Finally, taking a look at it, it appears commonly used in CSS questions. As a CSS SME (I have a gold badge in it, not just a bronze badge), I can tell you there is no value in having this tag used in CSS or HTML questions. Thinking for a bit on it... I am sure this tag was previously burninated, seeing as the current oldest use of the tag is only from 2020. — TylerH 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@TylerH I am not so sure... "If you have authoritative knowledge of all technologies relevant to the tag, have conferred with at least one other trusted community member, and are dealing with a tag that has a small number of questions (< 50), then you can go ahead and remove it yourself or with a little ad hoc help." reads to me like AND for all 3 cases (I am also unsure how impossible is it to provide 20 answers on a tag of 50 questions - just very hard). That's not to be pedantic - I would, frankly, love to see it losened, just not sure that what you said matches the reality of things. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@zcoop98 I'm not really sure what you suggesting. I actually don't know if checking for off-site plagiarism is required for first posts (it is for wiki edits, and advised in general, but I don't think it is required in that queue). Are you looking to add such requirement to FAQ (should be different proposal)? Alternatively I can edit the post to add "I knew from FAQ that I need to open post in separate tab and would recognize it as audit since it was deleted", but it did not look necessary for me in this case. What are signs I missed?"... (but that is putting words in OP's mouth) — Alexei Levenkov 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
As for being mostly CSS - I expressed a similar concern in the question's comment thread now that I had some time to think about it: did we even have to make it a burnination? If disambiguated to mean two distinct things (vertical/horizontal alignment and bottom nav view) and removed from where it shouldn't have been in the first place, the same goal would be achieved. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Welcome to meta, the place to discuss the policy of this site. We don't know how or why you posted this question here, but unfortunately, your question is off-topic here. Consider reviewing this question again and see what you can improve before reposting this on the main site. Otherwise, if you can't post on there, please read What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@OlegValteriswithUkraine: I think now that this discussion has happened in comments, all the criteria are satisfied; I think that's what TylerH is getting at. But this answer we're commenting under was posted before the other answer, and seems to suggest that the querent should have gone ahead on their own. I think you're objecting to that, which I agree with. At least discuss in comments with one other person, not necessarily a whole meta question. (As long as the original number of questions with the tag wasn't much over 50 before someone removed some of them, hopefully only misuse cases.) — Peter Cordes 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@pitamer are you looking for "why I should have spotted this as 'too good to be true' answer" or "FAQ clarification - are First post reviewer expected to search for plagiarism everywhere" (both are valid non-duplicate questions, but ideally asked separately). Also if you can update the post please remove "EDIT:" (which you hopefully know should not be in the posts). — Alexei Levenkov 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@AlexeiLevenkov I apologize, it was wrong of me to drop a short comment and not at all clarify or expand on what I meant. The point I want to convey is that this audit failure specifically revolved around the reviewer knowing a post was plagiarism of an off-site resource. Closing it as a duplicate of the FAQ implies the "answer" to this dilemma resides in that FAQ– but that core issue, recognizing off-site plagiarism, doesn't even receive a passing mention in that post. Therefore it offers nearly no useful guidance to the OP in this specific scenario regarding that topic. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@AlexeiLevenkov I also feel that the question that's been in this post from the first revision, "Are reviewers expected to somehow be aware of internet-wide plagiarism in posts?" is a sufficient version of the edit you suggested in a comment "are First post reviewer expected to search for plagiarism everywhere[?]". — zcoop98 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
@PeterCordes I think at this point we already satisfied both of the branches :) The post is now eligible for proper burnination, and it also, I think, for an expedited burnination (I am not sure, but it seems like the technology clause is satisfied as the tag seems to be used for vertical/horizontal alignment in CSS in at least 50% of cases). Speaking of edits - I made the original ones (of about 5 questions total), where I improved several CSS questions, 1 Flutter, and 1 completely unrelated to any alignment and retagged to proper tags in the process as I went to review the questions. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@OlegValteriswithUkraine do we really need a tag for a position? — Braiam 7 secs ago
 
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