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[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Post marked as duplicate when it isn't [duplicate] Proof that meta can get very meta. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
Thanks, the "Clash of Expectations" thread explains a lot. A suggestion: I was a user who came across this site because there are VERY few places these days (at least that I have found) for developers to exchange knowledge with each other. So, given that most people who come here are looking for a forum, perhaps it needs to be explained in a very CONCISE way (just like with the rules of posting) that site operates in a very unusual manner compared to regular forums. (to be continued) — ag87 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
There is already info about this, but very few people read the rules of a forum because they are always too long, obvious (don't use obscene language etc.) and we just want to ask our question and get on with our day. A few short sentences when someone signs up for an account would help. — ag87 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
Re "not something that is demanded from volunteers": There was no demanding. I appreciate when people answer my questions and always offer thanks (a big problem on this site, by the way in how you handle polite responses - if someone says "thank you" you should NOT delete it. No wonder there are so many upset users about this if nothing else. Politeness is NOT "fluff"). — ag87 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it it's simplest form, the explanation of what StackOverflow is and how it should be used is... Ask questions, get answers. The tour does a great job of quickly getting to this point. However... it does a poor job of getting into the intricacies of what makes this place tick. What kinds of questions are successful, and what kinds of questions aren't. Even the example question in the tour is a rather... poor example of a useful question. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
I appreciate the time anyone took to write long documents and implement tours and such. I am one to make sure that a great amount of details is included in anything I write. But most users aren't going to read that much. I would suggest that, much like the rules of posting, the differences from a standard forum be presented very quickly in a few sentences. That's all most people are going to look at, even myself. — ag87 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Right, but, it's... too complicated for that, is what i'm trying to get at. What few, short, sentences could we present that would say "Hey, Wait! this place is different!" in a way that actually got people to a point where they understood why? — Kevin B 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It probably didn't need to be deleted manually at all, it would have been cleaned up by the roomba in enough time, if it wasn't improved. Great example though of a question with a terrible title. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
The deletion was 16 minutes later, although that doesn't really make a difference here. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
@KevinB Totally agree, the title was awful, and there was a good (upvoted) comment to this effect. But my question is about immediate deletion, as opposed to 48 hours later. — Jonathan Willcock 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
"Please be aware that stackoverflow is NOT a standard forum. Posts are subject to very specific formatting rules. Refer to [URL] for details, but the most basic differences are: Short concise posts only, coding issues only (not even related subjects), [etc.]. Please be aware that the reputation system is NOT a punitive system for inappropriate behavior as with many other sites, but rather here is built around the proper wording/style of posts. Also, posts are subject to a review. If the post is found need revision, this is not a personal attack on the quality of the question but rather..." — ag87 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sotirios Delimanolis
My understanding was that a closed question can only be deleted at a minimum 48 hours after closure Where do you remember reading this? — Sotirios Delimanolis 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
@BDL 16 is what I meant by only minutes later, as opposed to 48 hours. Sorry if this wasn't clear. — Jonathan Willcock 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I honestly don't see how this question adds much to the quality of the questions and answers on this site, regardless of when it is deleted. There are definitely cases of semi-decent questions being deleted too quickly that need to be pointed out, but I'm afraid that this might not be one of them. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
"... intended to request the author revise the question to align with the formatting/style rules. Polite responses such as 'thank you' are allowed but please keep them short so as not to clutter the information." — ag87 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
The question has been deleted by three 20k+ users. It is possible for highly downvoted question (-3): stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/moderator-toolsTsyvarev 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Deleting things sooner is a reputation-based privilege that also requires a negative score — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
@SotoriosDelimanolis hereJonathan Willcock 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Regarding roomba deletion: Please note that roomba only collects question which do not have upvoted answers. That wasn't the case when the question got deleted, but it also wasn't very unlikely that the asker upvotes one of the answers. So if one wouldn't vote to deleted, they have to monitor the question for the next 9 days to make sure that no answer gets upvoted or that the question gets improved. — BDL 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
Further, consider giving new users a "grace period" where any downvotes related to their post are either automatically reversed after revision of the question or are not even applied at all. — ag87 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Just because a question can be answered doesn't always mean it should be answered. Where is the long term value for future readers in that particular poorly constructed question? — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
Since I only posted 3 tech questions and never had a post rejected, I should probably have fallen into this category. Maybe "new user" is based on the number of posts being less than 10 or some such. — ag87 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JDB
@Trilarion - It sounds like you are suggesting a mod ban every time there's an unresolvable difference of opinion. If so, not only would the community find such draconian measures untenable, but the mods themselves would likely rather quit than be forced to make those kinds of decisions. Suspensions are the last resort and typically used to deal with users who are defacing content, etc. You would have your work cut out for you swaying me that in this case the OP is defacing their content. — JDB 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
IMO, questions with titles that are unsearchable by users with the given problem shouldn't be answered, without first editing or at minimum suggesting an edit to fix the title. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time. Sure, you're helping one person, but you're throwing away the time that you could have instead used helping dozens, hundreds. At minimum, fix the title. — Kevin B 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
I was very upset a few hours ago with what I perceived as very hostile and frankly rather unprofessional behavior. My suggestion is to take steps to improve the approach so that new users do not misunderstand this. Even the short sentences I wrote above would help. Of course, another would be to introduce a parallel less-formal standard forum and curate the most useful posts into this one (maybe along with awarding "reputation points" to those that meet the qualifications in the less-formal forum). — ag87 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
And again, I don't think letting people say "thank you" and such would really clutter the questions/answers; my suggestion is NOT to remove them. — ag87 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
@KevinB There was already a good comment relating to the title, before I answered. I didn't see the need to add another. — Jonathan Willcock 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wjandrea
@Félix I mean, you're saying you could generalize to cube root, 4th root, etc, but you could also generalize to any other operation besides exponentiation like multiplication for example, i.e. "Why is x*(1/n) always 0?" It's really the division that's the crucial part; that's where the actual problem is happening. — wjandrea 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rohan Büchner
Since joining SO 10 years ago, and eventually discovering the resume -> now dev story, I was all for it. I ported my CV from LinkedIn and never looked back. I'm super unhappy about this news of removing it... to this day I still link back to my dev story on here, or send it to anyone who might be interesting in working with me. Please don't remove it :( — Rohan Büchner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ag87
One more thing about the reputation points: Even knowing what is explained in the "Clash of Expectations" thread, every time I see the negative points piling up on my question here I cannot help feeling very angry. I would suggest that negative points only be allowed to a point, then stopped, the possibility of being "locked" once a discussion like the one we are having here has taken place, etc.. — ag87 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
@HovercraftFullOfEels Please don't misunderstand me. I was not saying that the question had merit on the site. I was merely asking about the timing of deletion and the degree to which we give OPs (particularly newbies) a chance to improve. — Jonathan Willcock 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
well, there's also the question of... whether or not any edit at all can improve the post to the point where the users casting delete votes thing the post wouldn't be worthy of deletion. — Kevin B 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
@KevinB Now we come to the rub. IMHO the chances of a newbie asking any question that has a really useful long term future are almost a priori impossible. The vast majority of newbie questions should be deleted on this basis, even if they are well constructed ,(as this clearly wasn't). This is a separate issue, which has been troubling me for some time. Maybe I'll get around to putting my thoughts down in a separate question. — Jonathan Willcock 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
and, i agree with you, that often simple questions are too hastily deleted without there being an existing canonical to cover the topic. but. I also think there's a certain point where a question is... so self explanatory that it is beneath existing on this platform. I'm not sure where that line exists in c#, but in javascript for example, asking how to access the property of a 1D object is beneath that line, for example. — Kevin B 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@JDB I also think suspensions should be last resort. After commenting here I extended my ideas into a full answer and there I repeat that suspensions should be last resort but actually the way to resolve conflicts that cannot be resolved otherwise. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
@KevinB Absolutely right. I only follow C#, SQL, VB and VBA, but the same problems are there. I have never asked a question on this site; not that I know everything, but I have always found a solution by searching. 99% of all questions here shouldn't be asked, if people only searched correctly. This comes down to the crux: should we delete 99% of the questions? — Jonathan Willcock 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Splitting a question is simply editing one part out and reposting it separately. My impression was that such edits have already been tried but resulted in edit wars. — Trilarion 14 secs ago
 
11:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Mastiff who says the image must be square? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
Perhaps we should ask on Meta SE? It's been 2 weeks already. This is worrying. — Marco Bonelli 1 min ago
 
11:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Willcock
+1 I tried to edit your question and had similar problems — Jonathan Willcock 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
This makes no sense to me, I had no problems just... adding the tag. — Nick 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonardo
Is there anything we could do as users to stop this from happening? — Leonardo 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Captain Man
The vanity slug pic is really good. It had a sort of sadness to it but I'm sure that's just because I'm seeing it given the current news. Thanks for sharing. I remember making a picture of a random dev password we generated to help me remember it. — Captain Man 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
Was it possibly burninated at some point in the past? — zcoop98 21 secs ago
 
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