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12:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
I'm sorry to say this @animuson and I know you are an employee at SO, but every single time I see you chime in to getting rid of a feature you seem to always be so negative or helpless. I'm not trying to point a finger but every single time you mention a comment its always against the community and I just think you could do better? I kid you not every time a feature goes away or you guys plan on changing something you always provide the down side of things. — JonH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
@Tom Re "Where are pictures of code preferred instead of the actual text?", one example is for issues relating to problems compiling, building and running code within an IDE, where a screen shot can be invaluable, and just posting the code as text with a description of the problem can be a very poor, or even worthless, substitute. Sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words. Of course this is still an exception to the general rule of posting code as text rather than an image, but you did specifically ask for exceptions. — skomisa 42 secs ago
 
12:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
Re "I'd like to see it linked from the help center", it looks like this had already been done (very recently?). See How do I ask a good question?: "...For more information please see the Meta FAQ entry Why not upload images of code/errors when asking a question?"skomisa 1 min ago
 
12:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
I downvote and maybe delete. When I check the status of the downvotes later to see if the post has been improved I might vote to delete if it hasn't been improved and doesn't look likely that it ever will be. I might vote to delete if the questions gotten worse (and isn't worth reverting). So the presence of a downvote doesn't mean I've deleted or even ever will. — user4581301 26 secs ago
 
1:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
@JörgWMittag You missed one (and a variant): Abandon writing the question (and then write a long screed on some other site about how useless/unwelcoming Stack Overflow is). — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
If you can write a good quality answer, <expletive deleted> the bounty. A good answer is its own reward. If you can't write a good answer because the question isn't in an answerable state, <expletive deleted> the bounty. Vote to close and move on. — user4581301 1 min ago
 
1:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
StackExchangeWiderMode userscript, change maxWidth to breakpoints.fullSamuel Liew ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
If this was such a problem why are well over 90% of new users capable of inserting code as text? — charlietfl 58 secs ago
 
1:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
You shouldn't assume that any particular user downvoted several of your posts, but if they did, those downvotes will be reversed, as serial downvoting is not allowed on this site. If those downvotes are not reversed, and you're sure that you're being targeted by some user, you can raise a custom "in need of moderator intervention" flag on any of your posts, and explain the situation in as much detail as you can, along with all the evidence you have. — cigien 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
 
2:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
I do agree completely with downvotes, that was my first sentence. But I really don't understand why any user can go to my previous questions and start downvoting them. Basically what I'm saying: if "user01" find that my actual question is wrong: he must downvote it, but then move on, because if "user01" starts "analyze" my previous questions.. maybe he probably will be not logical anymore, because he has the idea that my question are bad (this is the best case scenario). The worst case scenario is: there are people who are low-level and serial downvoters. — Riemann 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
In both cases: "user01" should not downvote previous question, because he is not efficient/logical anymore (best case scenario). I do not want to open what bully means, because that is not objective. But this is a community with many rude people, i won't go further. I've always helped beginners/newbie and never been rude in any forum / community — Riemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
"Why any user should benefit from a mass downvote attack like this?" -- voting isn't meant to benefit or harm the user but rather to benefit the site and future users as a way of grading the question's perceived usefulness or quality. Perhaps you're focusing on the wrong thing, on the votes, when you might be better served focusing more on improving the question quality. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
The problem is that it is virtually impossible to tell who actually downvoted. And definitely impossible to tell 1) what their motivations were and 2) whether they were being objective. (And assuming bad intent or non-objectivity is itself non-objective.) — Stephen C 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"I find it extremely funny that" you posted images without giving their text content (virtually all their content) as text. (I know the SO FAQ Why not upload images of code/errors when asking a question? title & body is currently about code/errors, but the answer is clear that "anything else that is represented in textual form" should be given as text. PS Why are images of text, code and mathematical expressions discouraged? (Non-FAQ.)) — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@HovercraftFullOfEels "voting isn't meant to benefit or harm the poster" I do not agree at all. Why is there a reputation then? Maybe because the votes affects the poster actions? For example: if I get a downvote I will recognize that something is wrong in my question and next time I will be more careful of what/how I'm posting. I think votes and reputation are incentives aren't they? — Riemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Why does an up-vote give you 10 reputation points and a down-vote -2? If a down-vote were punishment, shouldn't it cost -10 points? But the reputation is there to encourage people to post good information, again to benefit the quality of the questions and answers on this site. This is one of the few sites that allow down-voting, and one of the few such sites to have survived and thrived. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
But again, I suggest rather than blame bullying (you don't know the motive behind the votes), you'll get further ahead on this site to ignore the sting of votes and instead focus on the quality of the information that you post, be it an answer or a question. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 58 secs ago
 
2:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@HovercraftFullOfEels I COMPLETELY agree with downvotes, I mean 100%. I find really unlogical that "user01" that already dowvoted my actual question can start "analyzing" my previous question with a bias (because he has already a bad idea of the quality of my questions) and downvoting those (best case scenario). In worst case scenario this person is just low-level serial downvoter. In any case this is not logical. The community will not have any benefit if "user01" start downvoting my previous questions nor do I. Do you agree, maybe it's me that I don't get the logic behind this.. — Riemann 1 min ago
 
3:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
it's so sad that you say "there's also a meta-effect". Now I got many downvotes also in my previous question in my profile. This place is full of hate, you seem a nice person, good for you. You get what you give cheers! — Riemann 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
You are misinterpreting votes as love and hate. — Stephen C 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
(I mean think of it this way. On the one hand you say that you completely agree with the downvotes on your question. On the other hand you interpret the "meta-effect" downvotes as hate. Something doesn't add up.) — Stephen C 44 secs ago
 
3:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
I'not misinterpreting votes as love/hate, this very childish, since downvotes(from high-level people) are an opportunity to grow. I agree with your statement: "On the one hand you say that you completely agree with the downvotes on your question". — Riemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
But it is not good to have so many downvotes, also in a question (this one on meta) where I've asked about clarification about "my previous questions". In this question I received 5 downvotes, let's say 1 of those 5 were you, but you are giving me an opportunity to understand what I'm doing wrong for this community's standard, the other 4 person giving me a downvote will not help to have a correct approach to this community do you agree? — Riemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
users just downvotes without clarification. You need to help a beginner/newbie to grow! — Riemann 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Your edit adds nothing of value to the post besides to rant and insult the community. The video in question has also already been covered here. I do suggest you don't make it again because it does detract from an otherwise somewhat okay post. — Nick 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen C
Sorry, but it is not required to explain downvotes. And many people have learned from bitter experience that trying to explain downvotes often leads to arguments with and toxic responses from (chiefly) the person you are trying to help. Or they plainly ignore you. So many people have given up, which is entirely understandable. — Stephen C 49 secs ago
 
4:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
we'll see, how this community will evolve — Riemann 1 min ago
 
4:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AShelly
5 years later, they are still there. The auto-delete mentioned in the other answer doesn't seem to be working. — AShelly 1 min ago
 
 
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5:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by trusktr
@Tom Oh well, I already answered. Next time. — trusktr 31 secs ago
 
 
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7:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@philipxy if for whatever reason you need the actual text, it is right there in the markdown for accessibility. Just press edit and copy whatever you need — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@zcoop98 Bad questions by less-than-brilliant users has been a problem since programming forums were invented and none have been able to solve that during the past 30 years. The only way to solve it is by scripts and/or manual reviews before the question hits the site. No amount of tutorials and help files will do, since these kind of users always take the path of least effort. In particular, the completely and utterly useless "how to ask" page not solve anything, which was what this meta question was about. — Lundin 1 min ago
 
7:52 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
Umm.... yeah... I'm sure this has happened before so it might be a regression of some sort... as I'm also fairly sure it was rendered as an actual & before now. — Jon Clements ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@JonClements I don't think it was ever fixed. It just happens from time to time and doesn't affect all posts 🤷‍♂️ — 41686d6564 55 secs ago
 
8:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
Afaik Job SO also generated revenue, a lot. Imho, what they consider, is this: how well a unit of salary expense converts to company income. But I think you are right and their real reason behind this decision is to me cloudy, however not seeing their cards, we have nothing to say for sure. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yılmaz Durmaz
yep, right, that is how a discussion works. great job. go on. and Larnu, it is not — Yılmaz Durmaz 9 secs ago
 
8:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Stack overflows are nearly always infinite recursion errors in managed languages that don't have a max call stack depth (each function call adds stuff to the stack until it overflows, breaking the infinite recursion). Without a minimal reproducible example, it's just speculation, though. — Erik A 1 min ago
 
9:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
@charlietfl uhm, because Markdown is not taught in schools, I guess? — Kos 15 secs ago
 
9:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by luator
@41686d6564 Thanks, I assumed that this issue has already been reported before but apparently used the wrong search terms. Should we close this one as duplicate? — luator 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
@ErikA it seems to have happened in a module called by matplotlib, which doesn't normally exhibit fatal errors when a parameter is incorrect. If I can reproduce what I did then it could be trapped in matplotlib and never get passed to the offending module. — uhoh 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I would say it is correct to protect them, if there are many answers or they seem to cover question well. In other words, when you don't expect that new answers will be able to contribute much. Of course, as technology changes there might be a need for additional answers, but in such cases there will be plenty of users with rep above 10 to add them. New users are much more likely to add repeating or nonsense answers on such high profile questions and this is exactly what this feature is about. — Dalija Prasnikar just now
 
10:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@uhoh Possibly, but detecting infinite recursion is a subcase of the halting problem. If they have an erroneously infinitely recursing function, they can solve it, but if they allow you to pass one (I'm more familiar with ggplot, which allows user-defined formatting functions, for example) then it may be all on you and not a bug in their code. It all depends on exactly what you were doing. — Erik A 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
@ErikA intended or not, this is convincing me that I should really try to go back and figure out what it was I'd passed that caused this. It may be impossible but now I'm going to have a look. — uhoh 54 secs ago
 
10:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
While I agree with Dalija's comment, I have to note that in its current state the protection feature is mostly a joke - while it does help protect high-profile Q&As from literally first-time posters, it does little to nothing to stop users that have at least one question (or, worse, any post if we go out of the FA queue context) with one upvote under their belt... — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@OlegValter I whole heartily agree. 10 reputation is pretty low bar and I have seen many questions where it would have to be much higher to prevent abuse. — Dalija Prasnikar 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by klutt
@DalijaPrasnikar I agree here. 10 rep is a VERY low bar. It's so low that the sentence "Questions should be unprotected when they are no longer attracting large amounts of traffic" could be completely removed — klutt 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Your old account probably used a different login method. — Cerbrus 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by أبو عدّي
no I'm sure, I used to login by google everytime — أبو عدّي 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Accounts don't just "disappear". They also don't just get deleted for no reason at all. Are you sure you're using the same Google account? Are you sure your previous account uses that Google account? Either the accounts don't match up, or you're not telling us something about the deletion. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Do you have any links to questions you previously participated in by posting a question/answer? If so, it'll be quick to tell if your account is deleted or not. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by أبو عدّي
I'm sure I used the same email, this is mu old accounts link stackoverflow.com/users/17221466/… and this is an answer I've posted stackoverflow.com/a/70733846/17953542 this is an question I've posted stackoverflow.com/questions/70716396/…أبو عدّي 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Okay, so that account did get deleted. We'll need a moderator to look into it, then. — Cerbrus 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by أبو عدّي
I hope to, my old accounts all get banned bc of my dump questions, and this one that I really asked and answered very carefully, get deleted wrongly — أبو عدّي 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I would strongly suggest, however, you will have received some kind of communication on why your account was deleted. — Larnu 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"I hope to, my old accounts all get banned bc of my dump questions" If your old account was deleted, and you re-registered you'll find it even harder to get out of your ban hole, as the old (bad questions) will likely still be affiliated to your account, but you won't be able to edit or do anything to do. — Larnu 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It was indeed deleted, and you did get a message why on your main account, along with a suspension you're currently evading. — Zoe ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by أبو عدّي
no, old accounts get banned, I still can answer and do whatever I want except ask questions, I created new account with different email — أبو عدّي 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
That is against the rules, @أبوعدّي . Creating a new account to avoid an imposed restriction is not allowed... This completely answers why your account was deleted. I suspect the account you are using right now will suffer a similar fate shortly. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
So, @Zoe, he still has a main account somewhere? — Cerbrus 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Cerbrus Yep, and that account is suspended, but not deleted. — Zoe ♦ 54 secs ago
 
11:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@DalijaPrasnikar yeah, the bar is extremely low to the point of being effectively useless as a prevention measure. If it was up to me, protecting questions would prevent any user with 0 answers under their belt from posting one (as I highly doubt there is a significant number of users who can just drop by a prominent Q&A and post something non-redundant). Another alternative is to require at least 101 rep (based on the association bonus). Too bad nothing that we discuss here will happen in the foreseeable future... — Oleg Valter 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Look up "scope", you'll probably find more useful results. — Nick 32 secs ago
 
11:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Have you ever received upvotes? Have you ever received an explanation for an upvote? — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"Is there a way to check the reason why I was downvoted ?" That is already in the tooltip. For questions: "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful."Larnu 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
"if others had the same issues with this functionality as me" - what issues? Downvotes are an integral part of the rating system the site is based on... The fact that you get a downvote doesn't mean something wrong. Only that someone found your post unclear or not useful... — Tomerikoo 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not in a forum
Since the vote is a personal assessment made by someone, you are never in position to contest it or complain. Otherwise it'd be like someone coming your way and demanding explanations because you voted on your favorite political party. — E_net4 is not in a forum 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
I find it hard to believe that you were unable to find the previous discussions. For our amusement, investigate how many previous questions were closed as duplicates of the same question as yours. — tripleee 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
It's unfortunate that the level of attention applied to the "out of date answers" problem isn't applied to that of low-quality answers accruing to popular Q&As. Some of these answers may be removed as dupes of existing, but many are so user-specific that they can't justifiably be removed. One can argue that they are harmless because they will never rise out of the third page of answers, but they cost reviewer time, and they obscure late good answers, as few visitors will wade through all the poor answers to see them. — snakecharmerb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Pretty much... Not to mention the deleted ones which doesn't appear there — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not in a forum
@tripleee I suspect the OP did not know how to reach Meta SO, since this question was asked on the main site first. :[ — E_net4 is not in a forum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Though, one would have hoped that the OP would have searched for an answer before asking, @E_net4isnotinaforum ,like they are supposed to do before they ask any question within the community. Though maybe that's why they got a downvote; a poorly researched question (they can attract a lot). — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Surprise, surprise! The existing warnings actually seem to work sometimes... Quote: "Heres the a bit of the code since i cant embed images yet". Though it doesn't seem the user really understand that images shouldn't be used... — Tomerikoo 19 secs ago
 
12:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not in a forum
@Larnu My point is that it's rather surprising that somehow someone could check the whole platform and help center, and still overlook Meta. — E_net4 is not in a forum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Clements
I've closed it as a duplicate of what I think is the most appropriate link here. Thanks to @41686d6564 for tracking down the links. I'm going to leave it as status-review for now and revisit later. — Jon Clements ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Ahh, I see what you mean, @E_net4isnotinaforum . I suspect that they did not check the help centre as thoroughly as they said, as there are multiple links in the help center to FAQ questions here on meta. — Larnu 1 min ago
 
12:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
"Do you know a place(forum, repository, etc.)" - yes, you are precisely in the place to discuss such things (and any other issue related to community governance of Stack Overflow). That said, the "why users are not required to leave feedback when downvoting" has been iterated upon many times here, so please expect a rather harsh reception. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
12:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DaveTheMinion
This is sad. Bye bye, jobs. ☹️ — DaveTheMinion 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
The canonical for explaining downvotes is Encouraging people to explain downvotes. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by keithchristian
@peterh Strange that suddenly, SO doesn't want to support the jobs board. If the jobs board is such a bad idea now, why was it kept for so many years, and not shut down within a year of its inception? Seems like a change in SO upper management or pressure from an outside entity. — keithchristian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
I had a deleted answer here suggesting the latter :-) It was deleted by a company employee and I think this is the point where I should stop to criticise them. The most important thing: I think this part is entirely false: "talent acquisition space is not one where we have a strong competitive advantage". Imho they obviously have a huge competitive advantage. But why would the Job SO closure be good for any outside entity? The only reason I can imagine, if they would mean competition for another Prosus asset. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
Please don't make unnecessary edits to bump questions. — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
But here is their assets and I see nothing recruiting-related there. Their reasoning, that they want to focus in what they are really good, might stay but the decision looks still unwise for our external eyes. — peterh 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Syscall
@Rob understood. — Syscall 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Can you explain why you think it's not a typo? A stray comma that makes no sense seems to match the description typo pretty well. Perhaps if you add an explanation why typing a comma there seemed logical and why it was not obvious that it was an error, we could reconsider. — Erik A 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by keithchristian
@peterh Generally, boards like SO do better with more users, I don't see this action as one that will increase the user base. CFO's are fine as long as they don't damage whatever business they work for. How can more users responding to a job board be so significant as to be a high cost factor of a site like SO, which is essentially a very large message board? Shutting down a message board isn't the way to grow " market space." I cannot make sense of that comment, either. — keithchristian 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Even if it weren't to be closed as no repro/typo., you haven't actually included the code to reproduce the error in the question. Your screenshot doesn't even show the stray comma. It would at best be closed as lacking an MCVE. — Nick 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
I have an impression that the left over comma at the end of dash component ( html.Div in this case) harmless , not causing an error. Just like the second dcc.Graph component which has comma but not causing an error. So it was my understanding that this comma will not cause an error but actually it is so after removing that my code runs fine. — M. Mufti 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
On a sidenote, why is the question tagged python, jupyter and hyphen? — MisterMiyagi 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
@Nick the comma is shown in the solution code with my comment ---> Fault — M. Mufti 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
It's fine wanting to share solutions, but they have to be actually useful to the community! Foremost, this means asking an actual question that someone with the same problem might ask and most importantly would search for. — MisterMiyagi 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
@Zoe thanks for the link, I can replace the image with the error description. — M. Mufti 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Ideally more than just the error. Your question needs a minimal example. Without your answer, the question is just 'I got this error. What do?'. It's.... Not fantastic. No one can help you with that, since no one sees the code that creates the error. — Patrice 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
@MisterMiyagi I spend hours on searching SO as well as fixing the code but could not find the answer. — M. Mufti 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@M.Mufti Seeing the code that causes the issue, this Q&A would have been a duplicate. We could have directed you to it if the question were asked properly – which would actually give it value, because it would tell people that "this funny error message" is actually "this standard thing". — MisterMiyagi 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@M.Mufti while the error message is cut, I'd assume this question has the same error message. While it might not be a duplicate (for a different cause), consider following that question as an example of posting an acceptable question on SO: complete error message, relevant code, some explanation; all in text. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
@MisterMiyagi , thanks I see. so it means asking same question in different manner will not cause it to be closed. Can I still rephrase my question? — M. Mufti 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Yes, you can edit all of your questions. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
It would be closed, but as a duplicate, not as a typo. Frankly, there is little to gain by doing that, so you might as well let it go. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
thanks guys, so the lesson I got from this exercise is that never answer my own question. — M. Mufti 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
No... you shouldn't have asked the question to begin with is pretty much the gist here. Your heart was in the right place but you're learning the hard way that Stack Overflow isn't that kind of site. You don't "share", you contribute. Contribution comes with quality standards. — Gimby 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ayhan
@M.Mufti I don't think that's the correct lesson here. There might be small issues, caused by typos yet if many people encounter that issue then it is a perfect fit for Stack Overflow. While it is correct that leaving a trailing comma is a commonly encountered error, your case seems very specialized. There might be millions of other error messages when you incorrectly pass a tuple to a function that doesn't expect a tuple. I agree that marking this as a duplicate would be better though. — ayhan 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
@Gimby don't agree with your "not asking the question" logic. I am benefiting from SO for last 4 years or so and have seen very stupid questions being treated nicely , not in the rude way. — M. Mufti 1 min ago
 
2:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rafael Tavares
I can count almost ten people here, trying to explain to someone who they don't even know, why a specific question has been closed, without expecting any reputation or even a "thank you". This seems far from rude. And stupid questions are different from questions that cannot be answered (as mentioned before, the code that lead to the error isn't in the question). — Rafael Tavares 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? What can I consider a typo?gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Please refrain from deleting the linked question. It's going to get deleted by the Roomba in 9 days anyway, and there doesn't seem to be any rush to delete it. — cigien 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I just voted to delete, @cigien, because the longer it stays up the more downvotes is going to accrue thanks to the meta effect, and the question is simply not salvageable. I see no need to gift the OP a q-ban just because they posted a question on meta. — yivi 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@M.Mufti Please see yivi's comment about the effect of downvotes on your posts. If you want to prevent that, please feel free to delete your post. Since it's your own answer, you can delete that first, and then delete your question after that. It's entirely up to you, of course. — cigien 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
@yivi I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of voting to delete as a favor to the OP. It's something the OP can decide to do, obviously, so I've mentioned that option to them. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
We can make decisions about our own votes as well, I'm perfectly comfortable with my vote, @cigien. I see no hope of the question being salvaged, so there is no benefit in waiting for roomba. Better to vote now, since I can. — yivi 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by M. Mufti
@RafaelTavares thanks for your nice comments, may be you have not read my comments where I admire those who gave valuable suggestions — M. Mufti 55 secs ago
 
3:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by guettli
I wanted the help you to keep the platform clean. That's why I wrote the "question". I got several down-votes. OK, the next time I will ignore duplicate tags. — guettli 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@rene Couldn't some Javascript code then suppress the working of the "new activity" feature if after filtering nothing new remains. It probably would to convey more information. — Trilarion 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
What about changing the wording to "Up to X questions with new activity, reload to find out."? — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
3:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Note that the help center was a copy paste from a post on meta, which was flawed to begin with. That's why there are gaps. It's not that the guidance needs to consider this, it's that it never did. The whole thing isn't a guidance, but more of a laundry list that some users took with how people used the queues. — Braiam 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Trilarion I'm sure there is an easy fix to make the behavior less surprising. We only need to find that one dev that has 6 to 8 time-units available to implement it ... — rene 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Feedback. You are looking for feedback. Not an explanation of why something is downvoted, you should be looking for feedback on what can be improved. It is a different mindset altogether, one that does not involve blame. If you would use that kind of way of expressing yourself, you may find that people are more willing to provide the feedback asked for. — Gimby 18 secs ago
 
4:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
You do realize that this decision was made and announced before the acquisition, and that the parent company has nothing to do with it? Conspiratorial thinking to blame it on someone else may be the easy out, but the blame for making this decision rests entirely on us and no one else. Please don't bring irrelevant factors into it. — animuson ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Pandurov
Well, well, well, so many hypocrites on this page. Some of you are partly correct that I didn't search as much as I would if it was something really important and urgent but nonetheless I've searched. Also, I didn't have a clue, such a site, SO meta exists, I am not staying all day scrolling through StackOverflow. Actually, you staying here all day, ready to blame whoever asks not the perfect question in your opinion(or duplicate) shows just how pathetic you are. Have a good night(maybe someone else will write a question to hate on) and feel free to close this question. — George Pandurov 36 secs ago
 
4:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
@MattDMo I updated with pasting rather than typing. How do these comments look to you now? — Stephen Ostermiller just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
I thought at the beginning that "meta" was done for communicate and ask for and help beginners.. btw I dislike it too. Can I ask you, why do you dislike it? — Riemann 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
@skomisa Good find, I overlooked that. I updated my answer with the snippet from the help center. — Stephen Ostermiller 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
Nevermind you question is already closed so the first point: "...Stack Overflow users to communicate with each other" is failing right now — Riemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Riemann i mean, you're still posting comments, and the duplicates are still answerable, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ — Kevin B 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MattDMo
Looks good. I don't have a separate comment for answers, but I also can't remember the last time I came across an answer with an image of code. — MattDMo 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Riemann: How do the dupe closures not help the OP? They tell him exactly what he needs to know. What more is there to communicate other than an exact answer to his question? — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pmor
Test: `xxx`. — pmor 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I really don't understand why people think deleting an account helps anything. Just don't post or visit here. The majority of the users on the site don't, and a large subset of them are blissfully unaware that meta exists. — Gimby 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@Cerebrus obviously asking the OP why he/she is disliking "meta" and what are his motivation about this. This community is the opposit of empathic. You just have to ask to the OP why does he feel uncomfortable here.. just for the sake of empathy and humanity, but that is just my opinion. Because first point of meta says "...Stack Overflow users to communicate with each other". — Riemann 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
@Gimby Because if someone just stops showing up without posting a question about it, no one will know. — khelwood 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Why does Stack Overflow allow mass downvoting of previous questions?" - it's not so much that it is allowed, it is more that it is hard to prevent it altogether given the necessary freedom given to people using the site. Just like it is impossible to stop people from posting a meta question the moment something upsets them and before allowing themselves to mull it over. These things happen, we can only deal with them after they have happened. — Gimby 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
@Lundin What you just wrote in your comment would be a great addition to your answer; my point was simply that you didn't include anything resembling this commentary in the post itself. The question isn't about help pages, it's about "mechanisms to educate users" (Last line of the OP: "Is there any mechanism in place ... to educate new users about this topic ... ?"), which can take any number of forms other than "help pages that don't solve anything". — zcoop98 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not in a forum
@Riemann Since you keep ringing that bell: the helper center describes Meta as "the part of the site where users discuss the workings and policies of Stack Overflow". Everyone has had the opportunity to expose their concerns, but even discussions here do not have to be rehashed over and over again, which is why the duplicate system is still in place. — E_net4 is not in a forum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@PM2Ring: It was back in '17. I don't see any value in updating now. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
The dupes on this question help. The delete votes do not. — Makoto 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@E_net4isnotinaforum maybe it's me but: "I do not want to be part of the Meta community, because I dislike it" it's not a question, but expresses a personal opinion about an argument. Since this is SUBJECTIVE (OP's view), another question can't answer the OP's question. Anyway without being so rigid in rules application.. the community must show empathy to a user's complaint about the community itself. Another (different) question in this case can't answer OP's question. — Riemann 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Riemann and what exactly do you think is going to happen once someone asks the OP why they want to leave Meta? It is explicitly stated that they "dislike it" and don't want to be a part of it. This is not likely to be a very pleasant conversation. The dupe target provides all the info one needs to get rid of meta without deleting the main account... I have to note that the OP has been around for 11.5 years, something tells me they do not need a sleeve to cry on: what they asked for is a way out of Meta - and if that is their decision, [1/2] — Oleg Valter 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
He didn't ask for "Is there any way I can turn Stack Overflow Meta off? (6 answers)" or "How do I quit Meta? (3 answers)". It is way different. — Riemann 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Riemann Did you miss the part in the question? "How can I delete just the Meta account without deleting the SO account?" That is directly answered in "How do i quit Meta". You request the deletion, but that comes with some caveats as explained in the duplicate. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@Riemann If you open the "How do I quit Meta?" question, the entirely of its question body is "I want to remove my account from Meta. How can I do that?" That's exactly the same as what's being asked here, is it not? — F1Krazy 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
[2/2] we should honor it and not turn this into another instance of "why the community is so negative". More on point, there is no way to delete only the meta account while keeping the main one (unless we are talking about the MSE account, but this is a different topic), so the only answer is disabling all links to Meta or stoically ignoring it for a while (YMMV), which is covered by the duplicate target (as well as the inability to delete just the meta account). P.S. Note to the OP: I am the co-author of the userscript that disables all links and mentions of meta - if you decide to — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
[3/3] go that route, and find that something is amiss - feel free to ping me here / reach out on GitHub - recent changes to the UI might've led to it not catching all links/sidebars/mentions. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
since I believe in showing empathy and being kind to other users, I thought the real problem was that the user ceiving find "meta" not good for him. The real problem here is not "how to quit meta". But SO community have no empathy so maybe you can't see what is the real problem. If I was a moderator I would have asked, "why do you find "meta" so unpleasant?" Is this so strange to you? — Riemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"why the community is so negative", because the community consistently gets accused of lacking empathy, by users that don't read what they're talking about. — Cerbrus 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@animuson Thanks, it helped a lot! Sorry I had no intent to do that; I never forgot to mention that the for us available facts are not enough to have a clear answer. Now I am trying to understand the aihr link mentioned in the post. The content is clearly for companies and not for employee, as also the paying customers of the Job SO were companies and not we. :-) If I understand it well, the company is now probably trying to create some employer branding solution, I am very curious for it, altough probably not I will be a paying customer for that as well. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@Gimby I think we can try to change and make "things" better, not just "deal with it". I will raise a discussion on why this have to change in next days. Stack Overflow can improve and get better absolutely! — Riemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
@Riemann I understand what you're getting at. Obviously there is some grievance that has caused ceving to come to this discussion, and if we could understand and address that grievance, then yes, perhaps we could prevent others from leaving Meta in the future. But the fact that ceving has not articulated their grievance (as many, many others have done in the past before leaving) suggests to me that they have no intention of discussing it or trying to find a solution to it. They just want to leave. [1/2] — F1Krazy 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
[2/2] When someone wants to leave, trying to engage them in a discussion on why they're leaving, or make them explain why they hate being here so much, isn't always the best idea. Sometimes, the best, most polite thing to do is simply show them the way out. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@Cerbrus you need to demonstrate this: "by users that don't read what they're talking about" because that could be a very false statement (and this quite offensive/rude also [and I'm not surprised about it at all]). Anyway I said in a previous comment, and that is the essence of what I'm saying: "I thought the real problem was that the user ceiving find "meta" not good for him". You can keep being an advocate and hide yourself behind a finger, or you can try to understand what I'm saying showing willingness to understand another point of view. — Riemann 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Riemann: Of course. You claimed that the dupe targets don't answer this question: "He didn't ask for "Is there any way I can turn Stack Overflow Meta off? (6 answers)" or "How do I quit Meta? (3 answers)". It is way different." If you'd have read the dupe targets, you'd have seen they are an exact answer to what's being asked here. — Cerbrus 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@F1Krazy my previous comment where I've tagged you was deleted. Can't believe it, this shows how twisted this community is. I'm writing my idea politely and with logic and... you delete my comment. Shameful behaviour — Riemann 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Riemann: Normal users can't delete comments. Deletion can occur if the comment was rude / offensive, and enough (at least 3) users flag it, or maybe a moderator found it to be in violation of SO's code of conduct. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Riemann
@Cerbrus you are a great avvocate, this discussion where YOU DELETE MY COMMENTS is not fair anymore (why am I not surprised?).. and It's not useful anymore. — Riemann 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Riemann: Did you read my comment? Did you understand that comments don't just get deleted like that? Users can't delete other users' comments. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Cerbrus cannot delete your comments single-handedly, @Riemann — yivi 1 min ago
 
6:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
My view on dupe hunting: If you can't find a dupe in a reasonable amount of time odds are an asker wouldn't be able to find it either, so it's not that useful a dupe. If you can tweak or otherwise clean up the question at hand to make it easier to find in the future and provide a good answer, that might be the better way to go. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
I keep noticing this for my custom filters and it's pretty annoying. I hope this is not by design, but rather just an oversight. — Marco Bonelli 1 min ago
 
6:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Luis Alvarez
Terrible news. SO Jobs was at the very top of my list of reputable job lists. And Dev Story landed me some of the best interviews Very sad news! — Luis Alvarez 6 secs ago
 
 
1 hour later…
7:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Just a reminder that voting on Metas is generally different than on main sites. Votes can represent agreement or disagreement with the proposal, not just quality of the post. A few aspects to consider are: (1) this is a burninate-request but it does not include the typical preliminary tests expected of such a proposal, (2) because this is a burninate request upvoting would mean supporting the removal of the project-calico, and (3) given the comments it seems that several people disagree with removing the tag in favour of synonymising it. — Henry Ecker 46 secs ago
 
8:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
[ Boson ] New comment posted by java-addict301
ouch...Add me to the list of folks who got a job via SO Jobs. IMO this is a mistake. — java-addict301 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Does this answer your question? How to cancel my vote to close?Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
The link for casting a close vote should have changed to say something like "Retract Close Vote". — BSMP 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
@HenryEcker The question/answer is for already closed questions, not for pending close votes. — Ted Klein Bergman 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
You can only take the equally opposite action of casting a reopen vote. — Kevin B 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
@KevinB I don't think that's an equal opposite action. If I hadn't voted it to close it would still be open. If I cast to reopen, then 2 other people need to get involved in order to open it. — Ted Klein Bergman 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
If you hadn't voted, it's likely someone else would have. That doesn't change what you can do now. You can't single-handedly reopen it by undoing your close vote. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
OK, the comments have confused me. Are you asking why you didn't see the link to retract your vote before two other folks close voted or are you asking why you can't retract the close vote now, after it's been closed? — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
@BSMP I didn't see any link to retract my vote. — Ted Klein Bergman 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
before, or after it was closed. Before it's closed, you can retract the vote. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
@KevinB It was before. I've never seen a "retract my vote". But maybe it was closed during the time. — Ted Klein Bergman 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
You just re-click the close button and the same dialog appears telling you you've already voted to close, the general reason you voted to close, and a button to retract it. i.e., you retract it the same way you retract anything else, click the button again. — Nick 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
Okay, then my question is based on wrong information. I'll remove it as it is misguided. — Ted Klein Bergman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
This post also seems to be about an already closed question: "Shortly thereafter, it was closed with my name stating". The thread explains that once the question has been closed your only options are to cast a reopen vote or let reopen queue complete. That's why I chose that particular duplicate link. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ted Klein Bergman
@HenryEcker It wasn't closed at the time I was trying to retract it, I think. It's possible it got closed while opening the dialog window. — Ted Klein Bergman 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Ah. I sorry I misunderstood. — Henry Ecker 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@rene Always these devs that are so rare. A real bottleneck they are and that despite more than a decade of SO. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
can't have devs working on things that don't make money, present it as a feature needed for teams. — Kevin B 31 secs ago
 
 
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10:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Seth
I feel a certain prestige by having my developer story on SO. It conveys a sense of accomplishment in a way that a resume or a portfolio on a site that's non-industry specific does not (i.e., "Top 5% in <topic>"). It's also worth noting that I'm here commenting because today I went to SO jobs to browse through jobs. — Seth 1 min ago
 
11:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Schilling
"not one where we have a strong competitive advantage" - this is 100% false. SO Jobs & Developer Story are so much better than any other job listing site. "The effort it would take us to truly differentiate" ... but you already have differentiated yourself! I don't understand this decision at all. — Daniel Schilling 12 secs ago
 
11:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Campbell
For answers which are fully duplicated in existing answers, do not offer an alternative presentation, nor add new insight, consider also casting a delete vote. — Ian Campbell 25 secs ago
 

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