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12:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Grismar
Although this may have worked in the past, it doesn't appear to work today. — Grismar 12 secs ago
 
12:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kjhughes
@animuson: Of course it wasn't you -- it obviously was the reporters recovering their passwords that caused the copycat sites to disappear. — kjhughes 1 min ago
 
 
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1:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laif
Well, that's kind of irrelevant, since my question is about beginner programmers. I don't see anywhere near as many questions about pandas from programmers that seem to understand Python basics, thats the concern of the problem — Laif 1 min ago
 
2:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RockPaperLz- Mask it or Casket
@OlegValter Thanks for your kind words Oleg. If you're referring to the edit I proposed, no problem. Although I don't mind it being rejected, I thought it was standard practice to accept edits that are deemed improvements, even if they don't fix all the issues. Am I mistaken? (Of course, if it's not an improvement at all, a rejection is always desired.) — RockPaperLz- Mask it or Casket 1 min ago
 
 
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3:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laif
"So based on that alone it would make sense that there are far more beginning questions in python." Wasn't really a part of what I was asking — Laif 23 secs ago
 
3:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"Tonight we're gonna format like it's 1999." — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Did you, by any chance, delete and recreate an account? If so, all posts from your previous account are not linked to your new account. — Andrew T. 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jwenting
And don't forget that from high school if not earlier children are directed here to post questions about their homework, rather than ask their teachers or, god forbid, do a bit of thinking and research of their own. That's been going on for over a decade, and by now those children are college students who probably should never have gotten their high school degrees (or at least a larger than acceptable section of them). — jwenting 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jwenting
30 years ago it took me about 10 minutes to install Turbo C++ from a couple of floppies and start up the IDE. Now it takes me more than that just to launch the Visual Studio installer. What's your point? — jwenting 49 secs ago
 
4:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pace
Sorry, perhaps I could have worded it better. The circles of your Venn diagram are "a large number of new users", "users with a data science or machine learning background", and "users that rely on pandas for efficient numerical analysis". Those three circles have considerable overlap. — Pace 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by brasofilo
@Grismar, I'm seeing it all right (¿?) — brasofilo 17 secs ago
 
5:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Does this answer your question? Review audits ignore filtersRobert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrMythical
I understand that the length of the question does not determine the quality now, but I would still like to see the audits have related tags only in the filter — MrMythical 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
That's not really how audits work. Audits lie to you, with the explicit intention of checking to see if you are paying close enough attention to see through the lies. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrMythical
It would make it very hard to choose the right option if it's a completely unrelated tag though... I guess "Skip" is the best option I could have clicked — MrMythical 53 secs ago
 
6:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
A small note: if you had correctly tagged your question with the correct web-mediarecorder I or an other subject-matter expert (SME) would have seen it and been able to reshape it in due forms. For SMEs, your question was obvious from the first revision, but for the vast majority of people that never even heard of the MediaRecorder API, it's far from being that obvious. Tagging is a very important process to attract the correct audience. — Kaiido 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
I'm pretty unclear as to why you think it's rude feedback? What's even slightly rude about? — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidW
It's not really a bot. It's a comment that a user has chosen (from a list) while reviewing the answer. It appears to come from "community" to make it anonymous. — DavidW 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidW
And just because the question has issues does not make the comment on the answer invalid. — DavidW 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
Does this answer your question? Community user posting comments?Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
A question having issues doesnt mean it is rude to provide feedback to an answer given to that question. I don't see anything in the wording for it to be rude. Or is the issue because the comment was made via the bot? — Suraj Rao 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
What is even rude about this? — justANewbie 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The question being unclear is no excuse for posting an unclear answer. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
The comment is there to address the quality of the answer, not the question. — justANewbie 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
In the future, note that what is even better than leaving comments for poorly-formatted posts is just submitting an edit that fixes the formatting. This not only makes the content on the site better right now, but it also helps to "lead by example". — Cody Gray ♦ 31 secs ago
 
7:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by eis
@VLAZ if you don't see what collectives achieves, then the issue certainly isn't "one of presentation" like mentioned in this answer, then, is it? — eis 48 secs ago
 
7:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@eis The presentation of the feature simply does not match what it does. It's supposed to help users (according to how it was presented) but I don't think it does. Remove that and what do you get? A feature that gets SO money. If I were to market it, then I'm supposed to explain why users would want it. If I were to just say "It's a fancy donation box for SO", I don't think that does the job. What do you think Collectives does for you and I as users of the site? The feature has been out for 5 months - how did the site experience change for the better in that time thanks to Collectives? — VLAZ 24 secs ago
 
8:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iBug
Yup. The new reply I got opened with We want to apologize for the confusion, the previous answer was not meant to be sent to you, so you know there is a human behind this email and not a machine.iBug 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
“We are also starting to explore what it would take to add version labels to specific answers” — from Outdated Answers: unpinning the accepted answer A/B test. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I usually give preference to whoever asked something first, rather investing time and polishing the first question. Only if that would be too much work, I consider later ones and then simply the one with the highest quality and best answers. — Trilarion 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
Thanks, I searched for version number in search but didn't find anything. — HopefullyHelpful 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
Ah, this was a bit harder to find, but see here: Version labels for answers. They’re already working on this feature. — Sebastian Simon 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
my answer is a vital point that is relevant for all programming, the documentation has to change and a vital part has to be add more complex examples — nbk 30 secs ago
 
8:47 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Is this really realistic in general cases? Dependency management is already difficult enough for actively maintained projects, figuring out the correct version requirements for some code snippet seems like a lot of effort. Most answers should communicate concepts via examples, not neatly packaged plug-and-compile application parts. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Well said. If it were acting in the community's best interests, this wouldn't be such a $%&^ show. Fact is: they aren't. This is an attempt to monetize something that is not in the community's best interest, and it is not going well; on top of that, we are being told that it is literally an ultimatum. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HopefullyHelpful
I mean you cannot enforce it to be 100% accurate, although for high traffic questions probably editors will help it to be accurate, but I think taking someone who answers like 30 seconds or less to figure out which versions his answer is probably in, will spare every reader atleast that much time if not more, which adds up over time. — HopefullyHelpful 9 secs ago
 
9:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"…the top voted/accepted one with +596 is plain bad. It is basically just 'this is undefined behavior, don't worry your pretty head about it'." I have to disagree with you there. While I agree it would not be very useful if that was the only answer available, I think that it only makes sense for that to be the top-scoring and accepted answer, as that's the answer that is most useful to the vast majority of people. While you and I might care about the details of why and what the standard says, most programmers don't, and don't need to. This is all the info they need, stated simply. — Cody Gray ♦ 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I don't see why this establishes a flaw in the way that SE handles duplicates by design, either. You can always find questions with answers that are sub-par, much less nitpickable, but does that argue that future questions are not duplicates of this? What good would it do to scatter the discussion out across multiple questions, having it again and again? Would you just do this until someone magically comes up with a good answer on one of the attempts? While you may dislike the ordering of answers on that canonical, at least correct answer appears, far more than you can say for rehashed dupes — Cody Gray ♦ 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
I wouldn't be surprised if the spam is coming from an organized syndicate ring of Stack Overflowers who are trying to get easy flags and increase their flag count — MFerguson 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Wow, I had trouble figuring out if comments were referring to the post or were reactions to other comments here :) @computercarguy and you are probably partially right, everone acts on their own accord so I can't speak for everyone and there will definitely be a subset of people who vote for the wrong reasons - to punish rather than critique. It is just incredibly unhealthy to make the assumption that it is happening to you right off the bat without having the proof to show for it. — Gimby 19 secs ago
 
10:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@TravisJ "...literally an ultimatum..." Collectives have not gone very far so far and I predict (without any good or bad will) that it will likely remain that way in the near future. I welcome the clarity in this announcement. I means I don't even need to try to change their course. Saves me time. — Trilarion 14 secs ago
 
10:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Oh not this bug again — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Glorfindel
Again? Has it been reported before? I couldn't find it ...Glorfindel 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Strongly related to Badge style is broken when filtered to less than three. Not a dupe, but related — Nick 1 min ago
 
10:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Eh, kind of, I think - if you have a wiki edit pending, I will be glad to hit the approve button as it is an improvement for tag wikis. For excerpts, valuable additions are not who maintains something, but additional usage guidance, basically anything that makes it clearer what the rag is for rather than what it is (there is even a standard rejection reason for edits that expand on what something is rather than how to use it). If the edit is still pending, and you are willing to add some guidance, I'd be happy to have the decision overridden (I would even change the vote, but the system... — Oleg Valter 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
...does not allow for such flexibility) by fellow reviewers. If you do not have a tag wiki edit submitted, then I urge you to do so (but consider if you can add something else to it too) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@CodyGray A good answer could be brief and detailed at the same time - it could include a "TL;DR" section at the top for beginner/intermediate readers. But this top-voted answer doesn't even contain that, because it doesn't explain what exactly in the code that is undefined behavior. Typing the letter i or what? There are some aspects of code like this which isn't undefined, but merely unspecified and deterministic behavior. In fact most of these "i++" examples contain both undefined and unspecified behavior. As for explaining what undefined behavior is, that should be a separate post. — Lundin 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Anyway, the main points here is that most canonical duplicates on SO are old, not necessarily the best post on the site, very often fragmented into multiple answers and overall often not good study material for someone encountering a certain technical issue for the first time. — Lundin 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rafael Tavares
@Nick why not a dupe? Seems like a dupe to me. There is also a report on MSE that I posted, and that's why I'm asking — Rafael Tavares 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@RafaelTavares it is closer to yours. The reason I'd argue this isn't a dupe of the MSO post I've linked is that the MSO post still leaves room for the columns that don't exist (as in, 2 populated columns and a single empty column). While in this case, there are precisely two columns. The issue while very similar and potentially caused by the same thing, isn't identical, and we don't know the cause (at least not without putting in more effort than I care to) — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
I'm a big fan of common sense but in this case you will also need technical domain expertise. Determining which is the best post out of many for a certain issue often requires quite in-depth knowledge of the topic, like for example a gold badge. Ideally the canonical duplicate for a certain post should be determined by consensus from several gold badgers. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Surely a question having a wrong tag is a reason to edit, not to close, unless "Incorrectly tagged" is now a close reason. I fail to see any possible argument where closing for the tag is valid. — Nick 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KINYUA TIMOTHY NJIRU
Yeah I think OP meant users who need to grasp the basics of python first before trying to ask about complex packages like pandas — KINYUA TIMOTHY NJIRU 35 secs ago
 
11:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Glorfindel
@Nick ah, so it's related to the # of available badges, not Teams ... — Glorfindel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sayse
Pandas is the one tag that I've added to my ignore list because every single question I read with that tag I was downvoting and it just became depressing. Rarely ever do you see a panda tagged question with a mcve or research. — Sayse 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
I suspect at least some of the value here is in product placement. The trick is making it actually work for everyone. — Journeyman Geek 26 secs ago
 
12:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
if memory serves, pandas was one of the tags I had in mind suggesting this feature request asking to either add option to filter triage by tags or allow triaged questions be handled in close queue — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Kudos for trying to bring order to that chaos! — MisterMiyagi 8 secs ago
 
12:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The answer was deleted by the author. Only they can tell you why they deleted it, but I assume that had good reason to. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
pupils and student are forced to learn computer science independent of their abilities, also there those who want to learn,but are not that gifted. the first get bad teacher or professors without time the last only bad vieos and tutorials, which cover only the basics, they still need to do their chors and fail, because the documentation is really really bad. StackOverflow helps with that somewhat, but because of the policy and downvotes the question will not be found. so they should ask questions a lotnbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
All content on Stack Exchange is licensed under either CC-BY-SA 3.0 or CC-BY-SA-4.0 or CC-BY-SA 2.5 (in a few cases still probably). — Trilarion 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
You could ping them as they seem to have commented on the other answer. It depends on whether they wish to respond... — Suraj Rao 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Note that 3 10K reputation users could vote to undelete the answer as well, however, considering it doesn't have any upvotes, and the subject matter isn't my expertise, I (personally) would not be and I find it unlikely others will as well without strong reasons to vote to undelete it. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Even if three users voted to undelete it... I think the author could just delete it again with a single delete vote. Unless the answer was accepted in the meantime. — yivi 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vega
All points are all true for any language tag, unfortunately — Vega 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
That would be "improve and reopen" or "improve and leave closed" ? or both? — Suraj Rao 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
"shouldn't I at least get a notification on it?" I think if you have followed the answer, you will get notified, though there's still nothing you can do after that. "If this is really a normal thing that can happen," I don't think it's that normal, but it does happen and the OP is free to delete their own posts as long as it's not somehow abused. — Andrew T. 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"The edit option on a closed question stated there were 3 options" - What is "The edit option" — Nick 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3783243
@SurajRao Oh, so Approve is a typo and should be Improve? As currently stated I would I think was only Approving the edit, not going to the edit portal after to make improvements. — user3783243 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Are you talking about the discrepancy between the flavour text in the top left ("Approve, reject, or improve this suggested edit.") and the options (approve, approve, reject?) — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Wait, is this option from the Close Vote review? — Andrew T. 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@AndrewT. No, it's the new suggested edit queue options for closed posts — Nick 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
@AndrewT. no suggested edit review. Only the suggested edit happens on a closed quesstion — Suraj Rao 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
"Approve, reject, or improve this suggested edit." is the general text for suggested edits where you can approve/reject/approve and edit/reject and edit. I suppose the text just didn't change for closed questions as there is a third re open option. — Suraj Rao 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3783243
@Nick Yes, I don't see a way to improve the edit. The edit has an error message as code, I planned to change that but couldn't find option. — user3783243 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@Andrew T. Ok, by following you mean give it an upvote? Can you still read it as a 10k+ user or just tell that it indeed got deleted? — Stone 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@user3783243 That text is indeed, just flavour text for the queue as a whole, not the individual task. You get the same text for deleted posts and tag edits, despite the only options there being approve/reject (for users without the ability to unilaterally edit tag wikis). There is no improve option for closed posts. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
No, by "following" they mean the "Follow" button below answers (next to "Edit" and "Flag"). — Jeanne Dark 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@both: Alright, then I guess my edit is not wrong then. Thanks. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@Stone posts on here are soft-deleted, never hard-deleted (unless on very rare occasions). 10k+ users can always see deleted posts. — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wiktor Stribiżew
@Undo In light of a warning I got recently from the moderator team for educating new users about the possibility to upvote/accept answers, please confirm Kamil Kilczewski's suggestion leads to warnings/suspensions. — Wiktor Stribiżew 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Programming has become so easy" I don't know about that. It's just way easier to try and circumvent having to study and research (trying does not imply succeeding of course...). I couldn't way back when, I had to be stuck on a problem for hours and try to work it out myself. If I did have Stack Overflow back then... I wonder what I would have done. — Gimby 29 secs ago
 
1:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@JeanneDark Oh right!! I've never even noticed that!! thanks! — Stone 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@Andrew T. Ok thanks, could I suggest to you or any other 10k+ user that are reading this post to copy & paste the post in question here? This would resolve the matter for me at least regarding the loss of information. — Stone 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
It's on-topic but very niche (dedicated PowerApp programmers are rare), so your chances of getting an answer are slim. Not much you can do about that except try and try different places as well (Microsoft forums?) — Erik A 1 min ago
 
1:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@WiktorStribiżew The issue in your case was you were posting comments about this on nearly every answer you've posted (and you answer a lot of questions). Moderators remove comments asking for that from any user, so you were creating needless work for us. That is why we asked you to stop. — Machavity ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Moderator Note: Comments like these are considered noise and will be removed by moderators if flagged. Please do not post comments like these on a frequent basis, as it simply adds to the work of the moderation team. If you do post them, please remove them yourself after a short time (if you don't get an accept in short order, it's unlikely to happen). If you post these too often, we will ask you to stop. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
 
2:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
We can't really post the answer here. It isn't an answer to this question and it's too long for a comment. Fortunately your comment has encouraged the answerer to undelete their answer. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wiktor Stribiżew
@Machavity Yes, but you did not have to, as I remove them myself. BTW, I removed all my remaining comments of this kind after your warning so that you did not have to do that any longer (about 58 I believe). — Wiktor Stribiżew 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica
Also, 6 normal users flagging something also deletes it, it’s not only mods. — Ekadh Singh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
If an answer was deleted and you need to see it with less than 10,000 reputation, you'll need to find a friendly 10k user to post a screenshot for you, if the author of the answer isn't willing to undelete it/able to be pinged anywhere. You might find a fair amount of sympathy where it's on your own question and the answer's a decent-looking one. — TylerH 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
See also the previous question of Philippe (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412005/…). It kind of asked for that and got some answers. — Trilarion 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Probably all of the Articles within one Collective will deal with this company's/collective's technology. This is already promotional in itself. Now everything that goes on top of that like "this is our newest and best product in the line, you can buy it at ..." might be seen as excessive, I can imagine. — Trilarion 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kamil Kiełczewski
@CodyGray if you are specialist, and you know that your answer is right, short clear - then when you get down-votes without comments - it is clear for you that it comes from HATERS. In SO there is a lot of haters - they behaves in passive-aggressive way - community is not friendly — Kamil Kiełczewski 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
"all questions" No, just to debugging questions. — Jeanne Dark just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Suraj Rao
You havent linked your edit... — Suraj Rao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Maggiulli
@SurajRao fixed. I accidentally posted this on meta.se and must have lost something when I moved it over — Chris Maggiulli 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
It is good to have this, but ideally authors should provide MRE — Alex Guteniev 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Maggiulli
@JeanneDark ok thanks. I updated by question accordingly — Chris Maggiulli 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
About the edit. 1 You're using a quote, but there is no quote. It's meant to be used to say "this other person said this and that's what they said". 2. There is no code "following" that line. — Scratte just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Maggiulli
@Scratte good catch. I fixed the styling and verbiage. Thoughts on the content itself? Is it appropriate to add code where no code exists? — Chris Maggiulli 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
The matter is basically resolved as the author reposted his response on request. Altough I must admit that I lost a bit of trust in the way SO is managed. The fact that you have so little control on the answeres that you receive and so little information available (e.g. no reasons are provided if you get a downvote), especially if you are a fairly new user, leaves a bad taste. I mean, I didn't know what to think or if I had gone mad as the answer was suddenly gone without a trace. You are basically reminded all the time that you are worth nothing until you gain reputation in the first place. — Stone 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I remember a recent post where the answer was a hearty no, because it is too easy to change the intent of the post this way if you get it wrong. — Gimby 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonardo Herrera
I know you mean well, but I don't think it is appropriate at all. We don't know how the OP code looks like at all. — Leonardo Herrera 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The DIMM Reaper
In my tenure as a programmer, I've built many UIs using AngularJS and Angular. I know JavaScript, HTML, and CSS fairly well, but I wouldn't know how to begin building a UI without a framework. — The DIMM Reaper 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Larnu Granted, I didn't explicitly state this, but I will now, since your response ignores it: an answer has to meet the other rules as well. That includes "address the question that was asked". If I see something in PHP on a question asking for a JS solution, that's not an answer to the question, even if a PHP programmer landing on it might find it useful. But even so, that still kinda falls under the "no one would find it useful" because no one is likely going to be looking for PHP solutions to a problem on a JS question (though I do see it sometimes). — TylerH 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Larnu I admit I'm a little confused how you square downvoting answers that are in the wrong language with the position you took re: Lundin above wherein "answers can't be off-topic", when that scenario (answers addressing a question via a different language, etc) is exactly what he was referring to. — TylerH just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
@TylerH Stack Overflow is about programming; how is an answer about programming "off-topic"..? — Larnu 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mike M.
Why should you have any kind of "control" over other users' content? You're using a free service run by unpaid volunteers. — Mike M. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Artner
And then there are the mid levels that answer "How to parse csv .." with "use pandas" - it is simple. And down you go into the ever shrinking rabbit holePatrick Artner 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Larnu Because "off-topic" in that case doesn't refer to the context of the site writ large; it refers to the context of the question being asked. Answers can't stand alone... they must be attached to a question, and so for an answer to be "off-topic" means it does not appropriate address the topic at hand (read: the question being asked). — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Your confusing usefulness and "on-topicness" again, @TylerH ... I can't argue that any more, I've said my piece. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Artner
I love if loop questions :) — Patrick Artner 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Larnu No, you are simply not understanding that a word ("off-topic") can have different meanings in different contexts. That's a very important part of the discussion going on here and a big issue across the site as a whole. Context is King, as they say. — TylerH 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
@TylerH , please post a meta question then, I'll be happy to contribute, as the irony is that these comments are completely off topic for this question. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@MFerguson That would be a lot of work for zero gain beyond, at best, a Deputy and Marshall flag (if they don't have them already). The people who would find the most use in that method would be people who auto flag, e.g. Charcoal members, which further defeats the point... and anyway most of those members already have the highest flag counts across the whole network... There has been a lot of spam lately from this recent thing, but still only a drop in the bucket compared to some of these users' helpful flag counts. I flagged maybe 20 spam posts yesterday, for ex. I have >15K helpful flags. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Larnu About what? Whether a word can have a different meaning or scope in a different context? Talk about irony. — TylerH 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"About what?"... About answers being "off-topic" @TylerH ... Please, can we stop this conversation here; I have said my piece, I stated this a couple of comments ago. — Larnu 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, noone is forcing you to continue — Kevin B 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Trilarion yeah, likely. Although I am a bit more bothered by the enforceability of the rule rather than what it implies by itself - given the current state of affairs, articles require direct involvement of a CM for every offending article to be edited in shape or removed, this is going to be a disaster when the flood gates are open. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
But most questions are about simple moving data around in Pandas tables (duplicate beginner questions). A few canonical questions should be able answer all such questions. — Peter Mortensen 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@MikeM. For the same reason why other users can just change my original question and even delete full sentences without my consent or even knowledge, like it happened in this very post, as I just realized. There's just this complete unbalance of rights amongst different users which does not exactly encourage new users to feel appreciated and welcomed in this community, but maybe this is just my opinion. — Stone 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@Stone There is a possibility that you are very mistaken. Let me put it differently; it is not set in stone that you are right. If you allow that to be true, I would suggest you take the next step and maybe go try and prove yourself wrong. It's the only way you allow yourself to actually go find out. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
So, effectively, you posted a question, someone answered it, and then you proceeded to ask followup/implementation questions back and forth tying up this expert user with helping you rather than answering more questions and when they grew tired of the exchange decided their effort wasn't good for the network. Am I missing anything? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Larnu we already have a few questions that have discussed whether answers to different questions are off-topic or not: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/271207/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/268190/… If you really are stuck on a specific word being scoped different based on context, then that is an EL&U question (and probably one that has a good canonical already), not an MSO one. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@KevinB Well, actually I was genuinly interested to know more, and not trying to challange his point of view at all! I really hope he sees it this way and find it really unfortuante that someone could understand my curiosity wrong. — Stone 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It is not even Friday! (The meaning before the Monica scandal.) — Peter Mortensen 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
as i said, the most users can't understand the concepts and idea behind a tool or language framework and they lack a college or uni education, where they learn how to access such knowledge and get the basics. They can't understand the tutorials or documentation, that is why they post here in hope we help them — nbk 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Given the exchange, I don't think they thought you were saying they were wrong or anything like that. — Kevin B 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@PeterMortensen, you may want to check some of the changes made in that edit — Nick 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@KevinB - While I agree, and have experienced the Wonderland Rabbit hole of questions within a commentary scenario, what should have happen is simply ignoring commentary and flagging it as unnecessary. Of course the answer would have to address the question as it was proposed, for me as an author, to feel comfortable leaving my answer in that situation. However, I have also been there, where nothing seems to be enough for the wonderland rabbit and I simply delete my answer. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@SecurityHound I don't disagree, that the author of the answer took the wrong approach to resolving the situation. I'm simply pointing out what likely lead to it. — Kevin B 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Maggiulli
@JeanneDark yes I would say that addresses the issue. I did a cursory search before asking the question but the results didn’t seem to indicate it had been asked before — Chris Maggiulli 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Basically, the way you feel about the deleted answer is exactly how we feel about that comment thread: it's just wasted information because it will be impossible to use for anyone in the future. Getting dragged into such trail of comments can be very frustrating for an answerer; it gives the impression that one just cannot satisfy the answerer and all the effort is wasted. — MisterMiyagi 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@KevinB I see it exactly the same way as you. I am also not a fan of writing in these small comments sections where you can hardly use any formatting and not even newlines. The problem is that sometimes follow-up questions arise after answers and I honestly don't know where to put them. I tried to put them in the original question by editing it but this makes it really more confusing than helpfull. And opening-up a new question is not really an option either, as in the end it is just a "short" follow-up question related to a specific answer. — Stone 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
You just have to know where to draw the line. It'll come with experience. — Kevin B 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stone
@KevinB Yeah probably... It's just tempting to keep asking once you found somebody who apparently has your answeres :) — Stone 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@MrMythical - The alternative to skipping a review task, open the question in another tab, to verify that the question still exists and/or is actually closed. Audits are designed to be passed, getting in a habit of opening questions that appear to be audits in another tab, isn't cheating to pass the audit. You are practicing good reviewer habits. — Security Hound 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Calculuswhiz
A lot of spam questions use emoji in the title (especially over the last week), but it seems like they get deleted quickly due to Charcoal/Smoke Detector. The posts certainly do exist, though. — Calculuswhiz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Calculuswhiz
@MFerguson Also, I googled the phone number and a lot of forum sites are getting the same exact types of posts, so I don't think this is the case. — Calculuswhiz 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
Even if I'm wrong about intent, there's still a vast amount of users who will DV or CV anything without leaving a comment why. This means they expect even low rep users to know exactly the params to make a "good" question as well as a high rep user, and will not wait to see if the problems are fixed before closing the question or even deleting an answer. This system is still heavily biased against low rep users. Kevin B's first comment shows that he doesn't believe I look at lots of posts a day or week, even though he has no idea how much I'm here. He just see's my rep and makes an assumption. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Keep up the valiant effort. But the best we can probably hope for is some subset of Stack Overflow questions on a separate domain to make using a search engine for research suck less. E.g., bestofstackoverflow.com. Perhaps even subdomains for the main tags for better search specificity (the "Related column" really hurts), like forth.bestofstackoverflow.com, dotnet.bestofstackoverflow.com, python.bestofstackoverflow.com, php.bestofstackoverflow.com, etc. — Peter Mortensen 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Keep up the valiant effort. But the best we can probably hope for is some subset of Stack Overflow questions on a separate domain to make using a search engine for research suck less. E.g., bestofstackoverflow.com. Perhaps even subdomains for the main tags for better search specificity (the "Related column" really hurts in this respect), like forth.bestofstackoverflow.com, dotnet.bestofstackoverflow.com, python.bestofstackoverflow.com, php.bestofstackoverflow.com, etc. Relatively simple heuristics could probably be used, along some (AI-assisted) manual selection. — Peter Mortensen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
'cont - Simple heuristics could be based on post age (an optimum post age (within a few years or months) could probably be determined for each tag), view rate, vote rate, absolute number of votes, number of answers, etc. — Peter Mortensen 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
'cont - Simple heuristics could be based on post age (an optimum post age (within a few years or months) could probably be determined for each tag or popular combinations of tags), view rate, vote rate, absolute number of votes, number of answers, length of answers (comprehensiveness), internal and external links in answers, the degree of broken English, number of comments on questions and answers, etc. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
The edit has an error message as code… Using code formatting for error code is valid, especially if the error was originally in a monospaced font. — BSMP 1 min ago
 
4:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by camille
Similar things happen in the R tag where people ask the same questions of very simple operations but insist they can't use base R functions, they have to use one (or all 30+) of the tidyverse packages. The FAQ for the tidyverse tag is almost always ignored also — camille 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "Visual Studio": Do you mean Visual Studio Code? — Peter Mortensen 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
@PatrickArtner yes, it's always annoying to see those answers. But tbh the python+csv tag is generally pretty poor quality, even discounting pandas :-( — snakecharmerb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FreeSoftwareServers
@CodyGray I had considered that, but believed it better for him to learn to use the SO UI, but I def see your point as well. Clearly everybody else (except maybe you) thinks its helpful and it is what it is, I don't believe it is a positive benefit. — FreeSoftwareServers 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donald Duck
If you found it helpful, you should have accepted it by clicking on the green checkmark. Not only is it a good idea to accept an answer that solves your problem, but it would also have prevented the author from deleting it. — Donald Duck 42 secs ago
 
5:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I still see the whole Articles feature as mostly promotional in nature (basically sponsored content). I guess the proposed rule 2.9 is an emergency exit for SO Inc in case the situation goes out of hand. We don't need to define excessive now, the company will simply declare the promotions to be excessive if users start complaining a lot about them. I guess we might get meta questions of type "This Article is overly promotional because ... should it be deleted". — Trilarion 27 secs ago
 
5:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
that's... effectively why I feel like we're going in the wrong direction with articles. We're asking marketing people to write technical guides without being "too promotional," when the entire purpose of Collectives is promotional. It's another case of a solution in search of a problem. In this case the problem is already solved, so it's a solution trying to solve an already solved problem in a "different" way. — Kevin B 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kenny Evitt
@Trilarion That's very sensible – I think I will, in the future, opt more readily to consider contributing to newer, better questions in some set of duplicates. — Kenny Evitt 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Trilarion this is what this likely will amount to... I am worried, though, that this case-by-case basis will go out of hand as soon as collectives start to multiply. I wonder if that will really happen given that clients do not seem to be interested in articles regardless. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@TheDIMMReaper Nobody's saying that it's bad to use frameworks. We're saying that you're going to have a hard time doing stuff if you try using a framework without some basic familiarity with the underlying language, even if the framework is very sophisticated & takes care of a lot of low-level stuff for you. — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
(cont) Would you feel comfortable taking on a task using Pandas without knowing Python, hoping that your JavaScript skills were enough to get by? (Some of the core syntax of Python & JavaScript overlap, but there are some pretty major differences). Now imagine doing it with no prior knowledge of any coding language... — PM 2Ring 1 min ago
 
6:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
Are things like this seasonal? I note every september/october there's a rash of similar, fairly poor C# console.writeline heavy questions (and I don't doubt java sees them too), which I figure coincides with the first few weeks of Software Engineering 101 — Caius Jard 16 secs ago
 
6:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That is why the 10,000 reputation points privilege is the second-most important privilege (yes, not a perfect match). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
Re and you have to get in touch with him and try to convince him to post it back or you could just respect their decision and leave them alone — chris neilsen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
It's called downvote and it has nothing to do with "hate". It's a content-rating mechanism and indicates that someone didn't consider your post a useful contribution to the library of programming knowledge Stack Overflow strives to be. — Jeanne Dark 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ernesto
mine is a request for a new feature, the one you post is a why question — Ernesto 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Notwithstanding the sentiment of the question before you, if someone downvotes your answer (or question) with the rationale "it doesn't work", don't you have a comment then explaining their position? — Makoto 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
The FAQ was written so people understand why such a feature request is not a good idea. — Jeanne Dark 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
The "why" question should make it clear to you whether your feature request is going to take flight. I won't spoil the answer. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica 1 min ago
 
7:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@Trilarion - I'm about to add a new section that staff has drafted about "why articles" instead of Q&A. Can you review and let me know what you think? — Philippe ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That is disappointing. Could another organisation do it? — Peter Mortensen 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Are you confusing our content rating mechanism with features found on YouTube and Facebook? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"it doesn't work" is probably the best reason to cast a downvote on an answer. — Kevin B 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Do any of the existing articles fit that description? provide pros/cons, in a long-form format that's too detailed/broad for a Q&A? — Kevin B just now
 
7:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
There is no dislike feature on Stack Overflow. We have a content rating system, but that doesn't mean that people like you or not. Stack Overflow is not social media. — Dharman 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Philippe Very nice. I like it. It's a clear delineation to Q&A. Basically the main difference is the "focus". Q&A focuses on a single problem. Articles focus one multiple related problems or larger problems. Q&A can be answered by concise answers. Articles are answered by lengthy, multi-step answers. And because they may also present only one answer, they might additionally be somewhat opinionated. I'm happy with it but want to add that the Articles that were published so far, maybe didn't really cover broad topics. They could also have been Q&A mostly. Articles may want to become longer. — Trilarion 34 secs ago
 
8:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
Yeah, i think that's right, Trilarion. (focus). Thanks for taking the time to review. — Philippe ♦ 14 secs ago
 
8:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@Trilarion - Clarity? Sure, I mean... no need to assume bad intentions when they are written right there in plain text. "More profit is our first priority" is a mantra that has sent many companies into bankruptcy. Stack Overflow used to be based on "making the internet a better place", but that is perhaps too much to ask for anymore. It is looking more and more like a skit from SNL in here. I also like how their negotiations "barely" saved us from being firehosed by whatever ad was paying the most. Can't wait to see some NSFW content on a site expected to be the gold standard in industry. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
This is not the place for product placement. "Value" in terms of worth here is negative if it drives away use of the site or degrades the quality of content. The revenue of Stack Overflow is purely based in its ability to be used, and the quality of its content. We used to have people here who knew that, who founded this company with those ideals. Maybe the next ownership and leadership will understand the difference, because this set certainly does not. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Warcupine
Things can still be useful or not useful years later. — Warcupine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Why aren't you proposing to lock them from upvotes too? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Stoner
This is strictly my opinion, but upvotes are somewhat self-explanatory. Whereas downvotes the author has no idea why the downvote occurred. The very few times I have downvoted, I have tried to explain why I felt the need to do so in hopes of providing some feedback to the author — Paul Stoner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tech Inquisitor
This remains an issue. In addition, the "report ads" dialog is very user-unfriendly. You shouldn't have to attach the ad image; it should already know which ad you're reporting. This goes double since attempting to save the image only gets you the white background with the Azure logo. I will now install an ad blocker because SO failed to address this in a timely manner. — Tech Inquisitor 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Stoner
"but if you know a question is off-topic then why answer it at all?", because if the author of the question is way off base about their assumptions of a technology stack, it purposes, and such, isn't it up to us, the community, to at least try and provide some sort of explanation as to why their thinking is off? Even if the question is off-topic, or broad in nature? — Paul Stoner 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
But in this case you do have an idea, you answered an off-topic question. Off-topic questions aren't very useful and it's common that people think that answering them isn't a very useful thing to do either so voters use their votes to try to discourage such things. — Robert Longson 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You can always write a comment that points them in the right direction as to how to ask a better question. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@PaulStoner No, it's not. Stack Overflow is not the place for this. If you want to help people directly you need to use media that allow this, e.g. Discord. Stack Overflow is a Q&A site. The close reason you select should link the asker to the help page explaining what is on-topic. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Stoner
All answers and comments have are very good and well received. Thank you all. — Paul Stoner 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
The age of the post doesn't matter. We must rate content whenever we evaluate it. Locking posts from receiving feedback would be going against the idea of Stack Overflow. In cases, like this where you made a mistake and answered a question you shouldn't have, you can't do anything so you can just ignore the downvotes. You should flag to close the question and maybe with time people will also vote to delete it. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Careful. You're making assumptions about Kevin B's assumptions, and that leads to recursion and madness. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"Even if I'm wrong about intent, there's still a vast amount of users who will DV or CV anything without leaving a comment why. " is a 100% true statement. "This means they expect even low rep users to know exactly the params to make a "good" question as well as a high rep user, and will not wait to see if the problems are fixed before closing the question or even deleting an answer." Absolutely! that's the intent. The goal of closing a question is preventing answers until the post is fixed. The system is supposed to provide proper guidance when a question is closed, not the closer. — Kevin B 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
"but upvotes are somewhat self-explanatory." - Lol, no. I see several posts daily which are worthless and yet receive upvotes — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
I'm not a big fan of the current close reasons or their descriptive text. Somewhere along the path to making them friendlier, we stripped out too much of the useful information they used to contain. I have taken to dropping comments for close votes when I think the reason or fix are ambiguous. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Commenting on downvotes is a morass. When placing a comment for a downvote, I A) comment first unless I'd simply be repeating a previous comment. Commenting after the downvote was a waste of time too often because the post got deleted before I could finish the comment. B) Check out the poster's history. Not interested in getting into a flame war. New users are actually MORE likely to get a comment because they have little or no history. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by qwr
For the people downvoting, Pandas can be confusing and some parts of the API are pretty strange to get used to, ex. stackoverflow.com/questions/38886080/…qwr 8 secs ago
 
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