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6:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by The_Tams
I would be interested to see the results because I don't believe it is that easy to tell the difference between someone who hasn't bothered and someone with very low skill, a high school kid or an adult self teaching and out of their depth. — The_Tams 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
It seems quite broken. Look at the "typescript" tag (user profile image, towards the bottom). In general it's the tags, some titles, and usernames that are very hard to read. The user stats at the top also don't seem OK when underlined. Might be intentional but I don't think it's useful right now. I'm debating disabling high contrast mode at the moment. I would definitely do if this is actually what it's supposed to look like. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
These are great points. I would expect that articles that don't comply should be given an opportunity to come into compliance or be removed, yes. For isntance, when we removed announcements as a valid reason for an article, yes, we removed announcement-based articles. As for reprecussions: I would hope that the collective admin would first have a conversation with them, but I think that eventually, the ability to write articles would be removed and any problematic content removed. — Philippe ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
This seems more accessible to me. I can't even see the outline around tags in your screenshot. And in fact, it can be confusing if a username is a link because it's almost the same color as text in some places. (Just remember, these features are mostly for people with worse vision than mine.) — Laurel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@bad_coder - I think the iteration process should absolutely continue. My hope is that we can jump start that process with a community consultation like this one, but it is not intended to permanently enshrine immutable and unchangeable rules. I totally believe they should be iterated upon over time. — Philippe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the curator
Oh. Right, please read my comment as an appeal to check the facts within reason on how often that happens, definitely not as a call to public witch hunting. — E_net4 the curator 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Philippe
@bad_coder - I also hope that in hindsight my involvement here will be viewed as facilitative and not dogmatic or doctrinal. I very much see my role as facilitating conversation (and yes, representing and advocating for the needs of the company, but in a way that hopefully facilitates discussion rather than attempting to "rule with an iron fist" - a characterization that would end in disaster, i think.) — Philippe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Laurel I'm using high contrast mode because it lets me see better. It currently does not in several areas. I'm also surprised you cannot see the outline - I can. Even in the smaller screenshots. — VLAZ 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Laurel That's a fair assessment, unfortunately they then fall down on the consistency, Edit Profile and Profiles in the top right should then also be underlined to differentiate them from the not underlined currently tracked Archaeologist badge. The selected Summary and Activity tabs should be underlined. Nothing in the drop down menus (inbox, achievements, queues, etc.) is underlined... Really they should consider all the links individually and putting underlines on the appropriate ones, not just blindly put them on all of them. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
Sorry, I mean badges not tags. (The tag badges are fine too) — Laurel 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by davidsbro
@Gimby I'll roll it back. It didn't seem important to me based on the rest of his post. — davidsbro 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
This overlooks the fact that lots of users answer off-topic, duplicate, VLQ questions willingly, gain reputation for it, and provided they get +3 for 60 days even if the posts are later deleted they keep the rep either way. So the "under strict moderation" part doesn't actually hold up for the most part... — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
You perfectly summarized everything I've felt about this so far, worded very well. I don't think the company has been overly parasitic in nature about Collectives as a whole, but the whole thing felt half-baked from the get-go, soliciting feedback has been infrequent, and when feedback has been asked for it's been followed by another period of dark comms. I really want this to succeed and benefit both the company and the community, but it just feels like it's been handled poorly and improved too slowly thus far. — zcoop98 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@bad_coder I am aware of that many low quality posts remain on site. Point is they are all open for strict moderation, it is just that we don't have the capacity to moderate all that is needed. The "strict moderation" part here is about the principle, not the ability to really handle all posts. That is separate problem. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@DalijaPrasnikar in your post I would have liked to see pinpointed what can and can't be moderated in articles (by comparison with the normal Q&A model). — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
@Philippe I'm absolutely convinced you are taking the right steps here -calling for a discussion and organizing the feedback- and doing so in a commendable way, following every best practice there is. — bad_coder 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
If we closed the questions from low rep users there wouldn't be many questions. High rep users don't ask that many questions, and the ones they do ask tend to be really weird and not all that useful for a wide range of programmers. Writing a good question is hard, and if you follow a good question-asking process, crossing all the ts and dotting all the is usually finds the solution long before you hit the button and post the question. End result: There aren't that many truly good questions. — user4581301 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
i answered some question with panda and python: the questioner slready noticed tey are often the similar, and can't be find in so or elsewhere. As i said, the documentation is bad and the problems go further han any documentation can handle it, but the people behind pqanda should extend their sample with much more complex example in hope that it will help others — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
To summarize: Collectives are useless. — JonH 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
Wow excellent post +1. — JonH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I don't think they're necessarily useless, just... they aren't what was described on the box. not even close. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Philippe there is still one announcement, -> stackoverflow.com/search?q=[announcement]+is:articleKevin B 17 secs ago
 
7:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by qwr
20 years ago you could just use vim and gcc that came with your distro... just like today. — qwr 18 secs ago
 
7:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
does not solve it, I am talking about a POST where I am the owner; it is not a LINK to someone else's post. — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent check all the answers, not just the one with the checkmark. Adam's in particular would solve your issue. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
@KevinB i have update the post; i check this POst meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252715/…Arcanis - The Omnipotent 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's under your question list. "i.e. For deleted questions go to your profile > Questions > Scroll to the bottom > Select recently deleted questions."Kevin B 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
@KevinB it say that It says there must be a link in my profile for this and I can't find it ... — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Got a screenshot? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matan h
pyodide work with WebAssembly... so your webbrowser not support it — matan h 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
there is nothing about POST Deleted or POST Deleted Recently ... has the test create and delete a POST and validate that it is not working ... i.imgur.com/GdNQh4M.pngArcanis - The Omnipotent 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
its "recently deleted questions". note that the wording may be translated on translated sites, but it will be there. — Kevin B 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Click Answers or Questions on that page, @Arcanis-TheOmnipotent , and then scroll to near the bottom of the page. You'll find your (recently) deleted answers/questions respectively there. — Larnu 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
They couldn't hide that option anymore ??? The user interface is well researched ... and that option little documented ... this should be in the FAG not in META. — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Your only deleted post is this oneMachavity ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
@Machavity not... not exactly, that one if I deleted it a long time ago; but recently I had deleted this by mistake: stackoverflow.com/questions/70173476/…Arcanis - The Omnipotent 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
@Machavity It seems to me that the documentation about looking for a Deleted Post is very hidden ... and there is nothing in the FAG of the site on this subject ... if you do not know that there is a META and you come to ask or search you do not find the answer. .. — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 51 secs ago
 
8:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent That question was deleted after Machavity posted... — TylerH 6 secs ago
 
8:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
There is sharepoint.stackexchange.com but I have no idea what's on-topic there. Your question does seem fine on SO btw, even if there are other communities where it may reach a wider audience. — cigien 1 min ago
 
9:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
@TylerH I have deleted it because it was poorly received by the community ... why do they want something that doesn't work? — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laif
"Basic university courses on data analysis or economics are almost guaranteed to touch Python and Pandas without students having ever heard of those before." Unfortunately this makes a lot of sense, I've had senior engineers at work ask me for help with python using something like Jupiter or Anaconda and were surprised when my first advice was to ditch those and open a text editor. I suppose the problem with having an endless amount of programming support is that not a very large amount of it is going to lead to an effective learning curve. — Laif just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eve
I am not sure from where you quoted that text above - it is not (at least now) in the question of the OP. Or if it was and was deleted / edited by someone, what possible reasons could be for such deletion / editing ? I find many times the editing as not too helpful (in some cases even the OP is unable too easy to follow the changes in his original question or why they took place). This is something like "let me think and speak instead of you" attitude of someone that after doing this, he gives no more explanation and simply disappears, so you can't see him/ her later again in the conversation — Eve 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laif
VLAZ is right, I was more so pointing out the correlation between the average skill level of people posting the question and the frequency that question is under the pandas tag. — Laif 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@Eve It appeared in the OP's question on Stack Overflow (not the question on meta) in this revision. The OP edited their own question about half an hour ago. I think they edited it with the intention of adding the additional information outlined in my answer here on meta. — kaya3 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eve
Thank you but still don't understand why for example users are required to help rephrase a question instead of the poster himself (for example the question linked in the post from this page shows a message that it does not accepting answers but instead is expecting people to ?edit? the question... Not sure to understand that. The purpose is to help the OP not to cut and mix the question transforming it in something entirely different than the initial issue. I would appreciate very much to see a comment (mostly in the original post saying why the collective editing is helpful in any way) — Eve 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@JonH Thanks! A lot has changed, but the community is still at Nancy's mercy. — Dalija Prasnikar 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
"People are judging the content, not you." I find that to be misleading. I've seen plenty of low rep users get their questions closed nearly instantly for almost no reason. Even when the user says they are making the change requested, the answer is still closed before they can make the change, as if people don't expect them to make the changes due to them being low rep users. I definitely see a trend where low rep users' questions, and even answers, are judged more harshly than high rep users. — computercarguy 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@Eve The question was closed because (in its original form, before the OP edited it just now) it did not meet Stack Overflow's quality standards. While closed, the question was not accepting answers. However, both the OP and other users are able to edit questions while they are closed, in practice it is usually the OP who is motivated to improve their own question, but other people are allowed to improve the question so long as they do not change the original author's intent. Edits which change the OP's intent should be rejected or rolled back, and the OP always has the power to do that. — kaya3 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
In any case, the question has now been improved and reopened, so it's now accepting answers. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It's very easy to come to such a conclusion when only looking at a subset of the overall content that gets created on a daily basis — Kevin B 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"The typescript tag has a very visible border because of distinct styling between "badge tags" and plain old "badges"." this is not at all what I mean by "broken" - the text looks broken the lower part of y* and the *p break up the line. And the underline kind of makes p resemble an R with the extra line there. Or maybe an o. The tags in general have smaller font and adding an underline just makes for *a lot of visual information to process. — VLAZ 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eve
Do you mean just any user (above certain reputation threshold or so) can do that editing ? — Eve 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
Yes, Stack Overflow is similar to Wikipedia in that every user in good standing is allowed to edit content (or propose edits) in order to improve it, and the community is expected to revert edits which cause harm. — kaya3 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
This isn't best practice. SO had a number of disastrous articles come out before deciding that perhaps there should be some rules, and only because the community kicked up a fuss. — Joundill 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Cormier
Ah, thank you for the clarification! Can I ask what browser/OS combination you're using? I'm curious to reproduce the issue locally and find some similar instances where the text descenders get muddied with the underlines. — Dan Cormier ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Firefox 94 on Windows 10. The font family the browser reports is "Inter, sans-serif" — VLAZ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Put another way, I see just as many people with rep as people without rep, having their questions closed for borderline-absurd reasons. It just so happens that the ones more likely to fall afoul of guidelines are new users moreso than ones who have garnered some rep. — Kevin B 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
@computercarguy What you are seeing is more often WHY the user is low rep. They are providing content that is not useful. Writing good questions and answers isn't easy. — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
writing acceptable and upvotable answers is easy compared to asking similarly upvotable questions. — Kevin B 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent I'm referring to your comment above which contradicts Machavity saying you had only one deleted post. At the time Machavity posted the comment, it was your only deleted post; the one you linked to in response was deleted by you after Machavity made the comment about you having only one. — TylerH 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
even for long time progrqammers panda is at first hard to grasp and concept to undestand, so it is no wonder that there are such questions and as i pointed out that is common for all data related tools and programs — nbk 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@cigien SharePoint is on-topic there :-) PowerApps and other questions generally are on-topic if they relate to working with something in SharePoint like a List or Document Library, etc., like OP's question does. — TylerH 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Agreed. The answer generally knows what it's trying to accomplish while most questions stem from a lack of information. Plus, a good, well thought-out question often answers itself before the asker posts it. — user4581301 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@eis "I'd be interested to know how would you market it then." I don't even know what Collectives achieves. Other than making money for SO, that is "Sponsored tags" as Kevin said describes it well. Maybe call it "Sponsored Tags+". But again, I don't know what Collectives do for the site itself. It's like asking me how to market the colour yellow - I do not think that question makes sense by itself. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Maybe we need a pandas gold badger to become the next moderator... — TylerH 1 min ago
 
10:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by computercarguy
@user4581301, I see plenty of one-off questions that are highly rated or by high rep users that aren't immediately closed as "not useful", while other people new to the site or new contributors but longtime users getting their questions closed for what amount to excuses to close. For instance: stackoverflow.com/questions/69816742/test-if-array-has-value was closed in 6 minutes for missing braces around their JSON, and the user said they were fixing it 2 min before it was closed. It took 3 days to get it reopened and now it's useless to answer it because the user found their own fix. — computercarguy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
Yes, I wrote the original Q&A proposing the three examples you gave and they were, in fact, based on the things you referred to (plus the "Don't Ask" help center documentation - hence the "practical problems that programmers actually face" part). The MCVE standard doesn't exactly apply (since articles are not questions), but the principle of giving sufficient context to understand what problem's being addressed still applies. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@computercarguy it's... also most assuredly a duplicate. There's no way "how do i find something in an array" hasn't been answered before. — Kevin B 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arcanis - The Omnipotent
and before to. make the t3st... — Arcanis - The Omnipotent 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@qwr I like the other kind of masochism. — CodeCaster 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent - Removing questions that are poorly received, instead of improving them, will only result in a question ban. There should be a link on this page to view questions within a certain criteria that have recently been deleted. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
@Arcanis in defence of Machavity, according to the timeline, your post was deleted and undeleted several times. Notably undeleted at 19:42, Machavities comment at 19:44, deleted again at 19:55 — chris neilsen 42 secs ago
 
11:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Whatever the site is currently doing, it's not nearly enough — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
 
11:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hemp
I still hold that opinion, fwiw. — hemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
We're under attack! Ohhhh the HUMANITY! — user4581301 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Indeed, for reference we are now at about a rate of 50 such posts every 2 hours. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I reopened this because it's about a specific rather troublesome event, rather than spam in general, which each of the targets seem to be about (or they're just about the philosophy of spam in general, which is an odd dupe target for something like this). — TylerH 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eve
+1 for explaining us all the opportunity to post self-answered questions. However, quite too strong the wording stating that answerer was disrespectful (when maybe he didn't knew that this was a wrong thing to do). Probably I am biased because I just can't understand why moderators intervened and insisted that readers must only answer why Postman software behaves such or such way instead of also trying to solve that issue, too. It's entirely useless just to diagnose a problem if you can't repair it as well. Probably 5 mill people really needed to see a solution not just why it does happens — Eve 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
I almost flagged this meta question as spam on reflex because of the title. — Laurel 31 secs ago
 
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