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3:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
@Juice is the status-completed correct? Makes it sound like you've added the feature when your answer indicates otherwise — psubsee2003 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Juice
@psubsee2003 Sorry! I've updated the tag. — Juice ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
the ask page includes formatting hints. What you do isn't always representative of what everyone does, hence why this question needs a better answer than this outright trash — Zoe 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
That's the wrong equivalent though. The equivalent here that makes sense is to people new to coding who have no idea what ints, strings, floats, and bools are, and then you ask them to pick one they feel is correct for storing a specific type of data. They have no idea what the difference is, so they can't use their intuition, and have to guess instead. "what is code" isn't the relevant argument, but what should be formatted as code in addition to code is. And some people are gonna try to format, even if it ends up being wrong, rather than doing nothing, in part because (1/2) — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Adriaan - I would say MATLAB's which is much closer to how shell which command works (but I'll take your word for it). I see only 2 interpretations of which: either "find a file/folder" or "find an index" (as in R which). If we find a way to split those, I don't think there will ever be a need for language-specific tags (the on-topic is specific to R and doesn't do any active harm). Maybe the best would be to give it to R? Judging from amount of q's issues with the func are prominent enough to warrant a niche tag. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You can offer a bounty. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
If you are talking about a question that you posted 35 minutes ago - come on, it's not even an hour in, why would you think you are not going to get an answer? — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by afhamu
@OlegValter It is not only that question I just want to know if there is something or advice from experts that will help me improve and also regarding the question I just asked I just feared that the question will disappear because as I scroll down the list of the recently asked questions I couldn't find my question — afhamu 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Are you in a hurry? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@afhamu - well, you posted a question in java, it's quite popular, can't do anything about it. Although you managed to attract attention to the post (I am no MSE to judge it, though), it seems. It's a bit of a lottery - some questions get answered several years in — Oleg Valter 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by afhamu
@OlegValter Yeah but the attention I attracted cost me 4 reputations and counting... — afhamu 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Some users don't answer new Questions at all. They wait until it's a few weeks old or even older. — Scratte 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@afhamu - well, that comes with meta posts, see meta effectOleg Valter 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
[ Boson ] New comment posted by afhamu
@BDL and what is [MRE] please? — afhamu 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Regarding your last question: you should really add a [MRE]. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Sorry, thought it gets auto-replaced. Added the link now. — BDL 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by afhamu
@OlegValter off course it happens to me often — afhamu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
If you haven't already, you may want to read all the help pages about answering and asking. There's a lot of information in those that can make you create better posts. — Scratte 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by afhamu
Thank you all for the advice and the suggestions — afhamu 1 min ago
 
4:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
You can start a conversation in chat, but it's not private. And you can only do that after talking with them in the comments, until you get an automatic shift to chat. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Hi Uchujin, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Uchujin
I was hoping somebody could voluntarily spare 15 min of their time and help me understand how formatting context works. I am looking for a teacher, just someone who can answer my questions. — Uchujin 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Uchujin
Can't anybody here take 15 min. to help their fellow man? This is the only web dev community that i know of. Spare me the rules, i know the question is off topic. — Uchujin 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
In my experience Stack Overflow is not the site for this. You can get a lot of information about how to solve an issue, but not a lot of information to help you understand how things work and the concepts involved. You seem to be looking for a teacher or a tutorial. I always find information somewhere else when I want to really understand concepts. — Scratte 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Did you look at Introduction to formatting contexts and display at MDN Web Docs? — Scratte 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
15 minutes of my time is billed in hourly increments at $150/hr according to my site's schedule. This is why I'd be more happy to help than to sit down and teach you, since it's cheaper for the both of us. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Uchujin
I told you i don't want you to teach me, i want somebody to help me understanding this by answering my questions. That's all. I am looking for help, not a teacher. — Uchujin 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
This question could be improved by including screen-shots showing the described behaviour. — yivi 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
That message should be fixed, see this for more detail. You should try to instead improve it, as yivi said. — 10 Rep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Uchujin
Not sure why people keep saying that i need a teacher. Again, i am not asking for a teacher, but somebody who understands how it works who can answer my questions. You're right that i am looking to understand the concept, and not how it works, although i consider them to be fundamentally the same. So, where do you go when you need someone who help you understand something on 1on1? And yes, OF COURSE i looked at that website. I mean, come on. That was the first place i looked. I am at a point where i consider going to the deep web for help. Seriously. — Uchujin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@Uchujin As soon you reach 20 points rep, you can participate in one of the appropriate chatrooms. — πάντα ῥεῖ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
@Uchujin We all already spend our time here voluntarily. Even the time to explain you, that you're asking in the wrong place. — πάντα ῥεῖ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
No. You are looking for a teacher. You're asking for a one-on-one setting for someone to explain something to you in the sense that the questions you ask are either malformed, incomplete or otherwise of low quality such that they are not acceptable on the site. This is how I'm drawing the line; you may find yourself disagreeing with this, but the reality is that this becomes a teaching exercise if we have to sit you down and explain Formatting Context and the Display property of elements where all of the reading and guidance elsewhere on the internet has fallen short. — Makoto 25 secs ago
 
4:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cfreak
The reason it seems that beginner questions aren't welcome is because SO has been around long enough they are all answered. A simple Google finds the answer to most questions on SO itself. Anyone asking a beginner question hasn't put any effort into finding the answer before asking. I don't think SO was intended to be someone's personal Google service. — Cfreak 25 secs ago
 
5:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
If you see non-performant code, please write your own answer that is performant. Edits are supposed to preserve the author's intent, cleaning up formatting and making minor corrections, not improving the approach. — ggorlen 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Why not just write your own answer? — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
5:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
Also, please move away from the idea that you know what's best and should apply it unilaterally to the top post in a thread. Even if you "know" you're right and have something that seems to you to be objectively better, imagine what the Q&A would look like if everyone did this. It'd be a nightmare. Even if these assumptions were accurate (which is extremely dubious--it stands to reason that people are wrong in edits about as often as they are in posts), it's much better to see all given solutions to the problem and let better answers rise to the top by voting, not by force. — ggorlen 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
The "downside" is that unscrupulous programmers might blindly copy and paste from the top answer and wind up with worse code than if they'd scrolled down, so your suggestion is to try to hide access to information and rewrite history in order to protect these people. Essentially, they aren't using the site correctly and it's not our job to ensure that they understand how to research correctly, think critically for their use case, research all options, etc. — ggorlen 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
Can you provide a screenshot or quote of the actual notice? The only duplicate notice I've seen says: "Your post has been associated with a similar question. If this question doesn’t resolve your question, ask a new one.", no mention of deletion — Nick 51 secs ago
 
5:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What do you mean by "drinking a coffee inside the Stack Overflow Mug"? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@PeterMortensen I was going to ask how they planned to get inside the mug to drink a coffee, but people are creative... ;) — Heretic Monkey 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@HereticMonkey well, I was told that the Mug is a huge one ;) — Temani Afif 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "I tried Cinnamon, but it takes about 5-10 minutes to load". Even using rotating rust, the total system startup time, is about 60 seconds for me. Using SSD is about half that, but tends to end in catastrophic failure (losing all files). — Peter Mortensen 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "I tried Cinnamon, but it takes about 5-10 minutes to load". Even using rotating rust, the total system startup time, is about 60 seconds for me on relatively low spec hardware. Using SSD is about half that, but it tends to end in catastrophic failure (losing all files) after a few months. — Peter Mortensen 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@PeterMortensen hm, I meant nothing .. it was for sure a bad french to english translation like I always do. Since your are here, you can probably make it a perfect english sentence :) or let people imagine me inside the mug ... ;) — Temani Afif 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What is "FC30"? Do you mean Fedora 30? — Peter Mortensen 23 secs ago
 
6:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What desktop? Windows with Chrome? — Peter Mortensen 51 secs ago
 
6:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Leggiero
@RobertLongson as I explained in this question, I believe that would decrease the quality of the page by adding more confusion to those looking for an answer. "[...] I would rather not see two or more conflicting answers, then try to figure out which contains the best code and why. I know that, because so few would be willing to weigh the pros and cons of each individual answer, and would be much more likely to just take the accepted or most-voted answer's code and move on [...]" — Ben Leggiero 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Leggiero
I didn't ever mean to put words in your mouth. Could you let me know when that happened? — Ben Leggiero 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Leggiero
I think you are ascribing intent to me where there is none. As I described, I'd edited yours before I knew pommy's existed. I also did not touch the non-code parts of your answer, so I didn't "change [your] answer [...] to be pommy's answer". I was not lying about history; I was updating your answer, as you said, to modernize and improve it. If one were to think you stole pommy's answer, they need look no further than the dates and edit attributions. You attest to this by saying you looked back on the edits and saw it happen before. I'm sorry I didn't do that first. — Ben Leggiero 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Leggiero
@ggorlen I never intended to present myself as "knowing what's best". All I'm trying to do is what I thought I was told. I wasn't trying to "unilaterally" apply anything. If I imagine what SO would look like if everyone did this. I imagine we'd have one question, whose answers are all separate, valid, correct approaches, without duplicates nor slight variants, and all edit histories preserved for those interested. — Ben Leggiero 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
Shouldn't this be on MSE instead of MSO? — GalaxyCat105 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Leggiero
@ggorlen I see a problem with the approach of letting better answers rise to the top by voting: when one answer has 100 votes, and then a better alternative arrives as a separate answer, the better alternative starts at 0, and as the webpage itself decreases in interest/SEO/whatever, the votes flow in slower, and the better one might never get more votes. Viewers who don't vote will just come, see the accepted or highest-voted answer, take it, and move on. I don't want to rewrite history - that's preserved in the edit history — Ben Leggiero 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Leggiero
I use StackOverflow because it's best at helping others come, find what they need, and leave. Forums like XDA, social sites like Reddit, other Q&A sites like Quora, they all have massive flaws that SO overcame with decisions like being able to edit answers, closing duplicates, separating comments and answers, etc. In that way, it is our duty to maintain that goal of aiding research and providing an easy way to get answers fast. — Ben Leggiero 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Why not homework? Some are paid to do homework for somebody else through Fiverr and they post it on Stack Overflow (often without bothering to not have it look like homework). — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@BdL MRE/MCVE etc. only get replaced on main IIRC, not meta — Nick 26 secs ago
 
7:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
What you're proposing removes information about competing approaches from the explicit answer thread and buries it in the edit history, which sidesteps the designated stream of discourse that's used to determine quality (votes and comments). Yes, change is slow. If something accrues hundreds of upvotes, it takes time to unset that. Doing an edit that changes intent does rewrite history--to a visitor, the votes correspond not to the historical state of the post in some edit but to its current state. Edits are simply not the designated mechanism for proposing or imposing alternative solutions. — ggorlen 1 min ago
 
7:27 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
In that way, it is our duty to maintain that goal of aiding research and providing an easy way to get answers fast -- I'd rather not further debate the philosophical goals or duties of SO here. Quite simply, the rule is that edits must not "change the code logic or functionality". Incidentally, for the reasons I state above, I believe this is for the best but it's also beside the point of asking whether the edits are valid under the current guidelines. — ggorlen 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I prefer keeping it as it is and imagine you inside the mug, @TemaniAfif :) — Scratte 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
At this point, just pay someone to screen print you a mug or t shirt; Stack Overflow clearly isn't interested in using that application of the trademark anymore, despite people literally begging to throw money at them for such products. — TylerH just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Well, the most likely is acquisition by Microsoft, not an actual IPO, so perhaps it is time to pull some strings? :-) — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
"...the site can be more accommodating for discussion with beginners and a less stringent algorithm it would be much more balanced?" I don't think it would be more balanced. Already now it is aching from the strain of thousands and thousands of very low quality contributions every week. Too much is already not being found and it's hardly fun anymore. The answer rate is falling and falling. A balanced approach would probably be much more stricter and upfront about it, I think. But then I might be wrong. — Trilarion 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Can't wait to see the results of the ongoing downvote research of the company. Hopefully it will shed some light either way. — Trilarion 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matt
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was referring to the editing of the code in my answer. As the answer appears to come from me - it has my gravatar at the bottom, along with my name, which is a link to my SO profile - it consists of what I am calling "my words". If someone else writes those words, that "puts words in my mouth", much as if one were to change a legal document after I've signed it. No analogy is perfect (each thing is just the thing it is, and not some other thing), but that's how I was envisioning it. — matt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Zoe no. What make trash is that we throw text to the users, and when that doesn't work, we throw even more text. That is utterly garbage. Never worked, and the fact that this question exist at all is a living testament of that. You can go to your couch thinking that it made a difference, but it doesn't. The best formatting advice anyone can give you in the internet is do not use any at all. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by warren
@PeterMortensen - it's a simplified rule-of-thumb based on being here for a dozen+ years. Also see: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/334823/4418 :) — warren 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
Swag was officially declared to be on indefinite hold in December 2019. That said, hopefully some of the recent $85 million investment can also be put toward swag. — gparyani 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Anyway, the questions in that tag are half-way decent. Even then, as there are less than 10 questions per month, it should be possible to make them all awesome by a bit of copy editing, including dressing naked links. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
8:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
@animuson In that case, the current model seems better, since they're told of the fact that Atlassian's getting their info, whereas they weren't told of this in the past. — gparyani 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
Regarding your parenthesized text: it was always required. In order to respond to tickets, we must create a user for them by inserting their email address into the system, which inherently creates an account even if they never set it up for logging in. No account = no reply. — animuson ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rbrundritt
What I originally had in mind was more universal and could be applied to any tag. Basically have weighted moderator rights based on the activity of a tag and the volume of activity the moderator has had with that tag. For example, a moderator who is really active on one tag should have a bit more weight in deciding factors when compared to another moderator who has never interacted with any posts with that tag before. I've learnt from this thread that ideas like this should be submitted to SO directly rather than in Meta, so I'll consider doing that. — rbrundritt 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rbrundritt
I woke up yesterday to some nasty emails related to this thread which put me on the defensive and less accepting of feedback in the comments. I'll own that too. The issue that triggered this thread pretains to a sensitive topic that the SO leadership has aknowledged publicly as a known issue previously. I'm purposely not providing any details on that as that's not my intended focus was for this thread. — rbrundritt 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rbrundritt
Unfortunately I was frustrated with SO and in the middle of working on something else when I posted this, and I didn't clearly describe what I wanted to discuss. I reluctantly added some examples as I was afraid it would spur discussions about individual issues (there is separate thread already for those out there). All communities have issues, I was trying to think of some ideas of how to help improve this. — rbrundritt 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rbrundritt
The idea I had in mind and what how I've described it above doesn't align. I'll own that, poor quality question, its marked as close, I'm fine with that. Fixing the question in this thread doesn't make sense as it would not align with the rest of the discussion. I had an idea for a while, but a serious incident that occurred on SO to another person using a tag I rarely use triggered me to submit this idea. This individual has reported the incident through the proper channels. — rbrundritt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rbrundritt
With that, I've spoken my peace. So lets move on. — rbrundritt 32 secs ago
 
8:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GalaxyCat105
Just as a side note, please don't edit questions to change the question, no matter how related the two might be (meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/401278/revisions) — GalaxyCat105 17 secs ago
 
9:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
Total nonsense from top to bottom. — Asteroids With Wings 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Finkenbinder
@Shawn Eary, the answer is also deceptive and therefor wrong. It says that it depends on XYZ, but does not mention that there is an annual base price. — Kevin Finkenbinder 1 min ago
 
9:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I sincerely hope that you can resolve your issues favorably and wish you well — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
 
9:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
Does it really make sense to copy paste a ton of content from the official source... @rbrundritt You actually don't have to copy/paste anything from a page you link to. There just needs to be an answer in the answer post itself. You can accomplish that by copy/pasting from documentation but it isn't a requirement. For example, this answer of mine contains links to W3C documentation but doesn't quote any of it. — BSMP 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
@Zoe Apparently Reject & Edit passes the audit, it just doesn't give you the option to also edit the post. — BSMP 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shawn Eary
@KevinFinkenbinder - I guess you are right about there being a base price. I just wish the StackExchange community (in particular the SO crowd) wasn't so brutal... Thanks for clarifying!!! — Shawn Eary 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Maybe if you pass an audit by clicking Reject and Edit, you can get an "edit it anyway" button? — John Montgomery 1 min ago
 
10:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Many Stack Exchange sites share tags. This should rather be asked at Meta Stack Exchange. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
 
10:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
So I don't have to reach 100k? :( I was hoping I would get a t-shirt for that. I'll stay at 2k. — 10 Rep 44 secs ago
 
 
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11:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SJacks
Just ask people to include that type of question in their answer and not in a comment. too much moderation can scare people away. — SJacks 18 secs ago
 
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