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12:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@Ivar Been a very long time since I looked at what the VTC rep threshold is. Thought it was 2K and maybe it even was at one point years ago — charlietfl 1 min ago
 
12:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tim
@aroth 1k may be a “drop in the bucket” (250k certainly isn’t), but it’s going to be a significant dent in the marketing budget either way. Remember: this is asking for reviews on one site: the reach is never going to be massive. They can’t start dropping fractions of millions on a small amount of marketing! — Tim 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joshua
I use it on sites where I can't cast a close vote. — Joshua 17 secs ago
 
12:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@krlmlr in this particular case you personally had plenty of time to improve answer before starting bounty... and you have at 20K ability to edit answers just fine... Even one with 1 rep should be able to improve that particular answer - providing summary of a link is a valid edit. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Menai Ala Eddine - Aladdin
I recommend using another color to be more noticed [ Gmail Example ] — Menai Ala Eddine - Aladdin 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“My reputation was close to ~2800 and I'd asked 4 of my colleagues ( all of them are developers ) to randomly upvote some of my answer to reach 3k.” - The author knowingly committed voting fraud by doing this. I am disappointed with the moderator team reaction (lack of) to this fact. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
1:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@Joshua And you've illustrated why mods dislike this flag. If you can raise a VLQ flag, you can also raise a flag to close the question (meaning it goes into the close queue for privileged users to review it). VLQ means that you want a moderator to close/delete it. — Machavity ♦ 24 secs ago
 
1:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
It sounds like the kind of nonsense spewn by Stack Roboflow. — Davy M 1 min ago
 
1:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I am disappointed with the moderator team reaction (lack of) to this fact. @SecurityHound You mean that the user hasn't been suspended? — BSMP 56 secs ago
 
2:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by aroth
"1k may be a “drop in the bucket” (250k certainly isn’t)" - We'll probably have to agree to disagree on that. $250k is less than the annual cost of two developers. SE is estimated to have ~250 employees (not all or even most of whom will be developers, granted), so we're talking about less than 1% of their annual operating costs. Or well under 1% of their estimated annual revenue (~$60M). It's far from a make or break proposition for an organization of their size. Since the promo is driven by direct e-mail to Teams users, SE probably has a good grasp on the maximum possible uptake, too. — aroth 51 secs ago
 
 
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3:55 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@BSMP - Yes; The intentional voting behavior is the most concerning. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
 
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5:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
To start (1) Make sure your question is on-topic (2) Imagine how you'd concisely present a problem to a knowledgeable but busy co-worker (such that there's enough information to solve it without lots of back-and-forth), and do the same thing in text form in a question — CertainPerformance 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@java-addict301 I don't think that most people would take this in the sense you're referring to. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
5:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jörg W Mittag
I have to disagree. The question is obviously randomly generated, nonsensical garbage. There is no subject matter expertise needed, only a basic level of understanding of the English language (and even not much of that). There is no subject matter in the question. There isn't even matter. It is literally some random sentence fragments glued together. — Jörg W Mittag 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jörg W Mittag
What is your answer to the OP's literal question in the subject, then: "Why was my flag declined?" Are you saying that moderators don't like the flag's existence and thus always decline it? — Jörg W Mittag 14 secs ago
 
5:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hridoy Islam
thanks a lot for your hints. — Hridoy Islam 1 min ago
 
 
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7:11 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by felixwcf
It's OK to receive downvote, but at least with a comment or reason. Don't be selfish. Overall you need to depend others to live in this planet. Downvote here != downvote in YouTube || Facebook. — felixwcf 1 min ago
 
8:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Why not just ask for clarification in the comment, instead of telling why you voted to close it? — Scratte just now
 
8:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by William Robertson
Still no PL/SQL, but that goes for all syntax highlighters out there. — William Robertson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Arghya Sadhu
Hmm..If you are flagging you can omit it because you are not actually voting but if you are voting I think it's okay to say that — Arghya Sadhu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I'm not saying it's outright wrong to say it. But I think it's safer to not post a comment saying that you voted to close the post :) I generally just ask for clarifications in a comment, hoping that the poster will improve their post :) — Scratte 44 secs ago
 
9:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Can I ask a check question? Did you know of the existence, find or read How to Ask and/or other articles in the Help? I'm asking because we feel that page contains vital information and external links. If the answer is no, then we need to re-think putting links to those pages in the right-hand side of the Ask Question page. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Leonardo
@SecurityHound no got it wrong, I wont be motivated to spend more time contributing to the community If I don't feel heard by the moderators. — Leonardo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shizzen83
From this point of view, it's clearer for me, thanks. — Shizzen83 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jörg W Mittag
@Scratte: That is the standard formulation when you vote to close with the "Other" close reason. The default text in the text field that opens up when you use the "Other" close reason is preset to "I am voting to close this question because " with the cursor positioned after the space following "because", so this strongly encourages close voters to use that wording. It is only natural to use that same wording when you want to leave a non-system generated comment as well. Note that I am not saying that wording is good, but it is the wording suggested by the system. — Jörg W Mittag 1 min ago
 
10:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Why not create the new tag, copy the wiki etc and then delete the wrong tag from the question. It will then get roomba'd — Paulie_D 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vadim Kotov
@Paulie_D These changes should be approved by the community then (I mean new wiki an excerpt). Last time I did this with another tag, but it is not approved yet after some time. I think a moderator can fix a typo in 1 minute. — Vadim Kotov 21 secs ago
 
10:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
I never asked anyone to do any work. I just asked if I missed something, before I do the work. — nvoigt 14 secs ago
 
11:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
20k users can edit tag excerpts without waiting for approval. It might not be possible to fix the typo without mod intervention purely because of the tag similarity check. I'm gonna try and fix it - if I can't, we'll likely need a mod — Zoe 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
... that being said, the wiki was plagiarized, so I won't be moving that — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Imdadul Haque
No, Please check th question status. — Imdadul Haque 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Please check your deleted questions. — πάντα ῥεῖ 18 secs ago
 
12:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I assume NAA is "Not an Answer" :) What's a NAQ flag? — Scratte just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
"Not a Question" flag is the obvious choice! — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
I recall seeing it, somewhere among the many choices...Makes perfect sense. — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Where is this flag? What is the heading of the dialog where this is? I do not think I have such a flag :) — Scratte 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I can tell you for sure, that there is no such flag :) There are 4 layers: flag, needs improvement, A community-specific reason and This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network. — Scratte 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
How many flags are there? And what's a NAQ flag called? — bad_coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
There use to be a "Not a real Question" or something similar. There was never one while I've had an account on Stack Overflow. It's gone.. as in puff.. disappeared :) As to how many different flags are there? I've provided with the dialogs, just count them :) I can count 18, unless you count all "A community-specific reason" as one type or all migrating flags as one type. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user7610
@MartinJames SO needs to be able to deal effectively with people who lack basic knowledge. With so many people picking up programming every day, and starting at the beginning. With the wealth of learning resources available, we cannot expect everybody to have gotten the same thorough grounding. Given the options of repeated brief explanations, closing in favour of a canonical question, and sending the people away, I prefer the canonical question. Getting your basics from a FAQ is actually not bad, sometimes. E.g isocpp.org/faq is pretty good intro, for some. — user7610 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Leonardo - Your lucky you were not suspended for the voting fraud. I have seen users suspended for a year for voting behavior as stated reason. Like I said I am disappointed by the lack of action by the moderators. — Security Hound 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bad_coder
I can't count 18 different flags, it's a mind boggling number. Seems the NAQ flag did exist and was formerly called NArQ flag. That explains everything, convert your comment to an answer and I'll accept it. — bad_coder 37 secs ago
 
1:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Zeitler
Not sure if it make sense to spoon them, because there's plenty of resources available online. The fundamental problem is convenience... because asking is way easier then searching and being tutored is easier than learning. — Martin Zeitler 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rounin
I hear you, @6502. But, as we see here, any time you or I or anyone else petitions in meta for a moderation of this highly misanthropic culture, there's an immediate pile-on. Of course people arrive on SO to ask questions about things they don't understand. Of course the depth of their incomprehension often means it's difficult for them to ask an expertly articulated question about what it is they don't understand. I conclude most people doing the downvoting here in meta don't understand other humans and don't particularly like them. Maybe one day they will? Hope springs eternal. — Rounin 37 secs ago
 
1:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nigel Ren
As you can see (mostly) in the image, I did all of 1, 2 & 3. Just out of interest - what do you think might satisfy the VLQ flag criteria on a question? — Nigel Ren 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
You get the reputation points immediately for the edit. You would only lose reputation points if you had accepted an answer and it was deleted and/or the question was your own and it was deleted — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@SecurityHound No.. one gets the 2 reputation points when the edit is approved. Not before. And one's reputation points are reduced again if the post is deleted or if one of the suggested edit approves are deleted. No idea why you're talking about accepted answers. — Scratte 6 secs ago
 
2:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Scratte - My comment was under the assumption the edit was approved then the question was deleted — Security Hound 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@Leonardo "I wont be motivated to spend more time contributing to the community If I don't feel heard by the moderators." - I am surprised you still demand attention from moderators after all that has been mentioned here. You are lucky you didn't get banned yet for knowingly (!) violating voting rules. I'm sorry, but what happened is entirely your own fault. How about accepting what happened and move on? You'll earn back that reputation in no time with good contributions. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
 
2:37 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Ironically if you had searched your post title on this post in a search engine you would have come up with lots of results full of useful details, pointers , tips etc. Since basic research is expected prior to asking on SO your question quality will always be better by doing the research first — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@JörgWMittag It's not that we don't like it, it's more that there's better flags for it in most cases and we get a metric ton of flags (in the last week alone we had about 7000 flags). What you're saying with VLQ question flags is you want a moderator to review the question and close it, when the community has a system to do the same thing. So, no, a moderator isn't going to spend a ton of time on them. If it's not blatantly obvious it's highly likely to be declined — Machavity ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@NigelRen Where the question is obvious nonsense. For instance, a question about how many clowns fit into a car would stand out and probably get closed by by most mods because it sticks out like a sore thumb. Anything that needs us to evaluate the quality of the question is almost always getting declined because we literally have more flags to handle — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
I had a glance at your profiles and it seems to be consistent across SO, SfiFi&F, EE and also SE main site. Did you click on "Save and copy changes to all public communities" (that's what it does, it updates your profile accordingly in all other public communities)? — Jeanne Dark 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Note that updating one profile and clicking "save and copy changes to all public communities" doesn't affect the network profile itself, for whatever reason. The network profile content isn't copied over to new profiles either, because of an unrelated bug. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Torsten Knodt
@Zoe Thanks, now I get it. So "save profile" updates all profiles, but not the network profile. — Torsten Knodt just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Torsten Knodt
@JeanneDark Fascinating. No, but this is what I was looking for and did not find it. I just retried to do what I asked for and then I found the (small) sentence "Your profile will be updated on all public communities. If you want, you can customize your profile just on this community.". As I just pressed "save profile", it included the synchronization. But is this new? I always did this way and a few minutes ago my SciFi profile was ahead other profiles regarding changes. — Torsten Knodt 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Here' an answer describing how to update your SE network profile. It has its own button. — Jeanne Dark 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ggorlen
@Leonardo you seem awfully entitled for someone that knowingly breached the trust of the community. I don't see any remorse here and I don't get the sense that you wouldn't cheat again if you knew you could get away with it. I'm all for restorative justice, but the offender needs to face more than just the penalty and engage in introspection about their actions and the harm done to others. Please take a moment to step outside of the minor reputation loss and think about what people in this thread are telling you. — ggorlen 16 secs ago
 
 
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4:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 10 Rep
I disagree with the first paragraph. There is a "Save profile for only this community" button, and then there is a sync button. — 10 Rep 38 secs ago
 
5:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I was thinking that, if you're reading a question, and find yourself doing these kinds of mental gymnastics, why not help the next person/people out and edit the question so they don't have to do mental calisthenics? It would also help with premature closings as well, one would think, and teach the OP how to phrase their questions in a more explicit manner. "It should be implied" seems like thin ice when you're talking about people with the varying levels of English mastery we see on Stack Overflow. — Heretic Monkey 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Should hope it was solved since this post is six years old — charlietfl 1 min ago
 
6:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@HereticMonkey Yes that would definitely be a possibility. But I don't see much advantage in longer question titles just to be on the safe side. I really think it should be just implied and understood without saying that questions asking to achieve something are also asking for the existence of a solution to their problems. I think it's relatively thick ice, but maybe not. We could ask the meta community if question of type "how to do..." should better more explicitly state the question for the existence of a solution. — Trilarion 1 min ago
 
6:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
There were only 10 questions with [python-youtube-api], and only 3 of those were without [youtube-api] so I went ahead and merged them. The other two synonyms you've proposed for the language specific APIs are now approved as well (did not merge yet). Not sure what to make of [youtubeplayer] and I can't exactly clean the tags either — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
Java is an island of Indonesia, yet we do not have a problem with the Java tag. Because the island is utterly off-topic. Just as questions pertaining to the use of online-learning platforms like Moodle would be. As such, I don't see the problem with the online-learning tag. Its appropriate for the concept the tag wiki describes, just like the Java tag, despite Java also being an off-topic island. — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stefan
No worries, one of the comments on the question from a helpful poster nailed it! :-) — Stefan 2 mins ago
 
7:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
Any question that is obvious nonsense can be closed without mod involvement. So the VLQ flag is utterly pointless for questions then. That should be the official guidance. — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 1201ProgramAlarm
 
8:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Polygnome - there is an important difference: we do not have a problem with questions about Java the island (or one of the states, or cigarettes for that matter), and we do have one about online learning platforms, that's why folks are so jumpy about any tag name that may suggest to the ignorant that asking about platforms is ok here. If Java wasn't so popular, and we got a slew of questions about how many cups of coffee one needs to stay productive, the tag would quickly end up in disambiguation requests. Anyways, as I mentioned in the answer, the tag is salvageable in more than one way — Oleg Valter 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@OlegValter Is there any way to actually quantify the problem? The question here was asked not because of many poor questions with the tag, but because a tag wiki edit was reviewed. It feels like this is an issue not actually existing at the moment. — Polygnome 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Polygnome - 1 / 11 askers thinking it is about "Learning Content Providers" seems like a bad enough stat to warrant a discussion on the tag, Adrian did the proper thing in my opinion - brought it there before the tag became a problem ( and it is easily fixed - btw, can someone with enough rep to do so approve or improve the pending edit? I think it is a good enough one ) — Oleg Valter 34 secs ago
 
8:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Note that "requires editing" is not okay - it means someone should edit it, e.g. to fix formatting. It does not mean the asker should do the editing. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by matt
If VLQ on a question is never accepted then why is VLQ flag on a question an option in the first place? — matt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here and belongs on the main site. — greg-449 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@matt One word: TriageMachavity ♦ 1 min ago
 
8:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Your first sentence appears to contradict basically everything else you say here. You say it's "moderator arbitrariness", but then go into a lengthy description of how it's not arbitrary, and that the correct course of action by the user is to do something other than raise a VLQ flag. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@Makyen A little grey area and I was insecure about a correct handling in this case of a VLA flag myself. I edited. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RobertS supports Monica Cellio
@MisterMiyagi Correct. Edited. I didn't knew that "Requires editing" is only meant for others. — RobertS supports Monica Cellio just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
That's more consistent, thanks. Note, to be clear, I was not objecting to you taking either position, or calling moderator actions "arbitrary". I was concerned merely about the lack of a consistent message in your answer. — Makyen ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Machavity That's what's very confusing. Why does that diagram show that a Question flagged as VLQ goes to Triage, when it then turns out that a moderator declines the flag? Anyone reading that post will assume the post only goes to Triage. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
The biggest argument for VLQ on questions is probably that too few people are willing to use "abusive" flags (and, I suppose, some moderators too reluctant to validate them). — Shog9 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Shog9 That argument just lost all it's meaning, no? Anyone that reads this post will be even less likely to use it. At least with a red flag there's a chance the flag will get disputed, not declined. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
It was the april fools joke this year. Super stealthy, unlike that trash last year — Zoe 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stackoverflow56
That is a shame it was only temporary. It was a genuine theme and I much prefer it over regular dark theme or light theme. — stackoverflow56 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
IIRC, a majority of flags are raised by folks who might read this @scratte - but a majority of people raising flags will not read this. — Shog9 41 secs ago
 
10:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Or we can just remove the non-scikit questions and synonym (even easier) — Machavity ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
My gripe with [online-learning-algorithm] is that it sounds like a cousin of [seo] (because search engines are basically that). I'd lean more towards [online-machine-learning], since that's easier to understand, even if it's an anti-pattern — Machavity ♦ 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
[ Boson ] New comment posted by stackoverflow56
OK I was able to log out, i just logged back in to thank Steeling Archer for providing me with that link. I will sign out now — stackoverflow56 1 min ago
 
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by The Grand J
@HereticMonkey That's a really good point actually! That is probably an even better thing to add. It would hopefully curve down on the flagging/closing of questions that are actually valid for SO but seem off-topic — The Grand J 45 secs ago
 

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