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[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@gnat My stat is that 25% of the answer upvotes is going to the answer of an user had ever a post on the MSO. I interpreted your previous comment as hairsplitting, and now I interpret your current talk as, well.... circumlocution. The MSO f...ingly does not represent anything except its own mafia, that is the sad truth, do you like it or not. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Clarify the unsubscribe link doesn't work. That link should direct you to a place where you can manage email preferences. Does it not do that for you? Have you disabled all emails listed there, but do you still receive mails? — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@gnat You know, what do I really miss? I need someone, who steps up, and has the spine to admit: "yes, I was a part of a mafia, motivated by mostly virtual power-plays, and I did a lot of evil in this time. I am really sorry for that". This is what I want to hear from one of you. You can not imagine, how strongly do I want it. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
This was the review in question. As you can see, you chose Looks Ok when you should have chosen Unsalvageable (images of code aren't acceptable). — John Montgomery 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
The full link is stackoverflow.com/review/triage/26302269. You should be able to review that. It's a question that should get closed for multiple reasons, such as using an image instead of text and not providing the code, just the output, of the program, thus lacking debugging details. Questions that can't get edited into shape by a random user (e.g. you) should be closed as unsalvageable, and this is a prime example of that, since you can't edit in the code the OP did not provide — Erik A 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
I'm aware of this question and the originality of the review/ban system. But it does not help me because I want to learn what I did wrong. — Björn Zurmaar 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
I get an empty stackoverflow page when clicking on your link. I remember commenting to an otherwise ok question and asked the OP to replace the images with code. But I don't know if that is the question. Is there a place where I can find the rule that questions with code images have to be closed? — Björn Zurmaar 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
Thank you for the clarification on editing. I was unaware there was a difference. — Shaggie 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
I did try to find something that addressed this, but I had a hard time. Perhaps I used a bad criteria. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
So basically, you are saying that if a post is missing information, or information has been lost, there is no way for newer users to ask about this? That seems very unhelpful to me for new users. I don't see how that would encourage them to use this system. — Shaggie 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
Thank you for helping to identify a closely linked topic. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
New users aren't the only ones using the system. There are plenty of users over 50 rep who can ask for clarification. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
I have used stack overflow for years, but haven't had to ask questions previously because they are often already answered. There have been times where I wanted to comment on something, but because I have not posted questions myself, I was unable to. Until recently, I just decided to forget about it. — Shaggie 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Well you can read what is required in stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask, including stackoverflow.com/help/mcvejonrsharpe just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
There are so many posts on Stack Overflow, I can't imagine that all are re-reviewed later to see if information has been lost or needs further clarification. I know sometimes that some people can understand what is being said, but others, often due to the specific language/grammar/whatever have a hard time understanding. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
These are guidelines for people asking questions. I'm aware of them. They do not tell one has to to mark questions not meeting all the recommendations as unsalvageable. I also can't understand why my question gets downvoted. Asking here seems to be the only possibility to learn about my mistakes. — Björn Zurmaar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
@peterh-ReinstateMonica You used the word "mafia" 3 times so far to describe meta communities while accusing them of unwelcomingness and hostility. I hope you can see the irony. That's all. Thanks! — Ahmed Abdelhameed 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
I do not understand the "Rule #1" comment in that topic "Do not ask for clarification in an answer". If the answer is unclear to me then it is useless. I know the purpose is for one person to get answers from the community, but those answers can help the rest of the community, but not if only the requestor and responder understand it. And asking again has the potential to get the question marked as a duplicate and get you negative reputation. I believe that this would tend to make users choose not to do this. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
My intention was to allow stack overflow to be more inclusive, to be more encouraging for users to contribute to the system. — Shaggie 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
@peterh-ReinstateMonica You used the word "mafia" 3 times so far to describe meta communities. You did so while accusing them of hostility and unwelcomingness. I hope you can see the irony. That's all. Thanks! — Ahmed Abdelhameed 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
These are guidelines about reviewing: How should I get started reviewing Late Answers and First Posts?, What are the guidelines for reviewing? and How does the Triage queue work? and go through all the pages in the help center about asking and answering.. — Scratte 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
That's a much larger problem. — Robert Harvey 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Here is the screenshot in case that review page doesn't work for you: i.stack.imgur.com/xrV1l.pngrene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Shaggie I think it means: Do not post an Answer asking for clarifications of the Question. Answers should only be used to answer. — Scratte 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ahmed Abdelhameed
@ChiefTwoPencils Not only that, but also "quickly banning from meta the users that repeatedly post such content". I propose that we should also quickly send them some malware that destroys their computers before they have the chance to visit other websites and dare to critique their policies. — Ahmed Abdelhameed 1 min ago
 
8:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
Oh, that makes more sense. I would not want to do that anyway. I don't know why I took it as "of an answer". — Shaggie 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
Excellent idea! When I (occasionally) come across a post in the reopen queue that I voted to close, and it's been suitably edited 'into shape', I actually get something of a feel-good hit from the fact that I can then add my reopen vote. — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
By the way I did start with flag this as a discussion/feature request. But someone else removed the discussion part. — Shaggie 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
Thanks rene, this is really helpful. Unfortunately I still don't get the point. The question was understandable and obviously also answerable. When not having memorized every word of some random posts on leads to a review ban of more than 30 days and asking for the rationale gives you downvotes on your question maybe reviewing is not my kind of thing. — Björn Zurmaar 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
By the way I did start with flag this as a discussion/feature request. But someone else removed the discussion part. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@AhmedAbdelhameed But I did not silence anybody for having opposing views. I describe the mafia (4) as they are. Note: being far more polite, being a nice kitty, I would get exactly the same treatment from the mafia (5) as now, so why should I take care? — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's not an empty page. These are the last two Triage reviews that contributed to your ban: stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25539681, stackoverflow.com/review/triage/26302269Cody Gray ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
You said that "the question was understandable and obviously also answerable", but I just don't see how. There was no source code provided. How are we to debug code that we cannot see? Debugging questions require that a minimal, reproducible example be provided, within the question itself, as plain text. We don't expect you to memorize this; you should already know it, since the requirements applies to you, too, when asking questions (and is meant to be obvious). — Cody Gray ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
I can only see the pages you posted when using firefox. In Vivaldi they are just empty I just found out. So you say, there is a long history and post two examples. One where I chose "Requires Editing". I already posted that I got into this trap. The other one is about a "Looks ok" where I should have chosen "Unsavagable" on a question that could be answered. I don't see how these two events are interconnected. — Björn Zurmaar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
You should be able to see the review, so if it's just loading an empty page for you, sounds like there's some sort of bug going on. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
OK...A lot of different things to deal with here. First, it seems to be a bug that they are not working in Vivaldi. That should be addressed independently. They work fine for me in Chrome, which should be the same rendering engine as Vivaldi. But anyway, perhaps post that as a separate bug report, including your browser version, OS version, etc. Regarding the decision in Triage, in both cases you chose something other than "Unsalvagable" when that was the only reasonable option. This is your review-ban history and what I was referring to above. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
More accurately, I was thinking "against an Answer", for which you helped to clarify was a misunderstanding on my part. — Shaggie 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
I know questions should contain a minimal reproducible example. If you look at my questions you can pretty clearly see that. Still this is a recommendation for receiving good answer. I don't see where this is formulated as an absolute requirement. When you don't see how the questions was answerable, a look at the screenshot is sufficient as the first comment under the question proves. If the rule is "If there is a code screenshot the question must be marked as unsalvageable", ok, now I know. But then this is more of a task for a robot, not for volunteers trying to help. — Björn Zurmaar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@BjörnZurmaar Not really. Think of those using screen readers or even browsers that do not render images, like those on the command line. While they may be a small percentage, they do exist, and an image of code is no help at all to them. — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by psubsee2003
@BjörnZurmaar let's assume someone who is blind and is using a screen reader comes across that question. This is literally all they see in the question body: I'm trying to run a calculator program I made for exercise but I can't escape the * character when multiplying. Here is what I tried: - how is that answerable? I understand you want to say it is easily answerable based on what you can see in the image, but the how-to-ask guidelines linked previously clearly tell people not to post images of code. When reviewing you should make sure questions are following that guidance — psubsee2003 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
Oh, for clarification, when I said having a moderator approve comments, I actually meant using the same system that suggested edits uses. I was not concerned with it taking time for approval. If you would rather have a different level of user do this, then that is acceptable to me. It does seem like this suggested change is unlikely to proceed though. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
Of course posting images of source code is a pretty bad idea in many ways. Nobody disputes that. I just think that this does not automatically renders a question unsalvageable or unanswerable. — Björn Zurmaar 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@BjörnZurmaar Code isn't necessary for all questions, but it is necessary for debugging questions because otherwise there's nothing to debug. As for images, that's been covered in depth here. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@BjörnZurmaar I didn't say there weren't, but my question still stands. You're discounting them. — Daedalus 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
I think one reason I didn't see that related post is because it was created 6 years ago. It was active several months ago, but I don't recall the automatic search making that high enough in the suggestions of related topics for me to see it. I did have a different title at first though. — Shaggie 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
There are people actually reading the question without a screenreader. — Björn Zurmaar 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@BjörnZurmaar How is a question answerable if the code is an image and the answer-er is using a screen reader? — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
it is summertime get an ice a drink and enjoy the sun. the rules and questions and missleading and so the strict ban policy grabs you. Understanding is nearly impossibole, so do simething better with your time — nbk 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
It doesn't matter whether you're personally ok with images of code or not, they're still against site rules, and that's the standard you're supposed to follow when reviewing. If you can't accept that, then that just proves that the ban was justified. — John Montgomery 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@BjörnZurmaar well, now you know for future cases that only providing code as a screenshot renders the question unsalvageable. In general: the less effort OP puts in;m, the dimmer view SO takes of the question. Vote accordingly. — Dan Bron 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
I'm absolutely not. This is ridiculous. I already wrote that I prefer code as text and asked other question authors to change their images to text. — Björn Zurmaar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
You guys are arguing over a false dichotomy. The question wasn't unsalvageable at all; it could easily have been fixed by an edit. The problem is that you said it "looks OK" when it violates the "don't post your code in an image" rule. That's it. — Asteroids With Wings 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@nbk Might be summertime for you. It isn't for everyone. — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
Hopefully my last two points are this: — Shaggie 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@AsteroidsWithWings No, it's still unsalvageable. We don't expect editors to transcribe images - some might do it anyway, but it's a lot of work and has a high risk of introducing new errors (or inadvertently fixing existing ones). Much better to just wait for the OP to post their code properly instead - if they can't be bothered to do that, then they weren't that invested in their question anyway. — John Montgomery 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@nbk Bedtime mate — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
Ok @AsteroidsWithWings get what ever fits in your region temperature grog irish coffee caipirinha what makes fun .passing time — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@JohnMontgomery I suggest opening your favourite dictionary and reviewing the meaning of the word "unsalvageable". Whether you expect editors to perform some task or not, it is blindingly obvious that the post contains sufficient information for most editors to perform a salvaging edit. Your hatred of the OP for their audacity is not useful or relevant or wanted here. — Asteroids With Wings 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@AsteroidsWithWings I have no idea where you got the idea that I hate the OP, so cut it out with the strawman. And if your objection is to the usage of the word "unsalvageable," then go ahead and open a meta post to try to get it changed, but it's irrelevant for when that is the appropriate action to take. — John Montgomery 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
(Notice that the question got an answer, and it's the correct answer.) — Asteroids With Wings just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I was able to duplicate this in my first of three attempts, but not the second two. On the page where this did occur, the editor was not making any POST calls to /posts/62203268/editor-heartbeat/answer (which is the POST which gets the response that produces the user visible notification; there should be a call to this endpoint every 45 seconds), but was making the scheduled POST calls to /posts/validate-body. My other attempts appeared to function normally. — Makyen 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@JohnMontgomery I don't need any meta post, and it doesn't need changing. It's simply not the appropriate button to press for the cited question. Period, end of story. — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@JohnMontgomery It's not "unsalveagable" if someone was able to post the correct answer, is it? Engage brain!! — Asteroids With Wings 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@AsteroidsWithWings Your opinion doesn't change the core rule. — Daedalus 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Yes, it got an answer. Lots of questions that should be closed get answered anyway because people don't care about the site's quality standards. — John Montgomery 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Daedalus It's called a signal. — Asteroids With Wings just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
In one of the pages, I noted that when I left the page alone for a while the editor-heartbeat/answer endpoint stopped being called and did not resume being called if editing was resumed some time later (calling the validate-body endpoint was resumed). So, the problem you're experiencing could also happen after you started answering, then paused for some time, and resumed again. Overall, it appears that this notification should be based on the WebSocket (which does indicate question closure), either in addition to or instead of the call to the editor-heartbeat/answer endpoint. — Makyen 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@CodyGray Agreed, let's put this useless argument to bed. Nobody's listening to reason anyway. Night! — Asteroids With Wings 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@AsteroidsWithWings If a question should be closed, then you should be clicking the button labeled "Unsalvageable" in the review queues. I agree that's not ideal, but that's how the button is currently labeled. There are a zillion Meta discussions about that already; we don't need to have another one in the comments here. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@AsteroidsWithWings That could be argued for any question, even if the question doesn't follow the site's rules(eg, a non-programming question). The fact that an answer was correct does not make a post not-unsalvagable. — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@AsteroidsWithWings Do you know what the "unsalvageable" button does? It flags it for closure. So if you agree it should have been closed, then you agree that that was the correct action. Again, you're arguing semantics. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Daedalus It's not my opinion. Those are the rules. 😂 The question should have been closed; that was the right thing to do. But to say that it's "unsalvageable" is completely laughable. That button is a last resort for complete nonsense questions. "Needs improvement" is the right button to press here. I'm genuinely stunned that there seem to be a bunch of people here who don't understand this absolutely basic thing. — Asteroids With Wings 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Daedalus At least my last response was a reply, not an argumentative pointless sarcastic statement?! Cya. — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
It doesn't matter whether you're personally ok with images of code or not, they're still against site rules, and that's the standard you're supposed to follow when reviewing. If you can't accept that, then that just proves that the ban was justified. — Björn Zurmaar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@AsteroidsWithWings So much for putting the argument to bed. Would you spend the time to salvage it then? — Daedalus 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
Hopefully this is my last comment on the subject unless someone else wants to continue this further. I don't consider new users to be the same as people who have visited/used the site for years but have contributed very little. — Shaggie 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Daedalus I said, cya. As in, we are done. Finished. Please stop pinging me. Good night. — Asteroids With Wings 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@AsteroidsWithWings An incomplete reply that you then edited after I replied in turn. — Daedalus 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Asteroids With Wings
@Daedalus What does my personal desire (or lack thereof) to salvage the question have to do with whether it can be salvaged? Gees... — Asteroids With Wings 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@AsteroidsWithWings Sure; but you think the post is salvageable, right? Why don't you salvage it then? If you're not going to spend the time to do that, your entire argument kinda falls, doesn't it? This is my last comment on the matter; do what you will. — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
With the perhaps 100s of millions of articles on stack overflow, people will try to search through the existing posts but sometimes it can just feel overwhelming trying to find something relevant. I am usually much better than some of my colleagues on finding things, but I experience this at times as well. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
@John Montgomery: I already wrote I can accept site rules. You should read my posts. I just want the site rules to be clearly documented on a central place and not puzzled over several questions one has to find. And I'd like feedback on my mistakes and not getting downvoted for asking for feedback and alleged of discounting blind people by random people out of nowhere. This is my spare time I chose to spend to this community. If that's the kind of feedback I get, I'm out of the review process. — Björn Zurmaar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Tthe overall question here is: Do we want reopen reviews to be done independently from close-votes / -reviews. I understand there would be advantages to the people who close-voted also doing the question's reopen reviews (e.g. evaluating changes would be done by people already familiar with the question, who wouldn't necessarily need to spend as much time as someone coming at the question cold; in many cases, those people would know exactly what additional info the question needs; etc.). OTOH, there are advantages of reopen reviews being independent (people with other POVs see the question). — Makyen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@BjörnZurmaar Your most recent comments were still trying to argue that the question shouldn't have been marked unsalvageable, so that's what I was going off of. And the guidance is already in the link at the top of the Triage review page. — John Montgomery 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Björn Zurmaar
That is still my opinion. I can accept that the site rules demand a different outcome. But if making a mistake and not having the complete post of about 1,400 words completely memorized (not to mention the other links here giving recommendations to what seems mandatory) leads to a month-long review ban I don't see a reason to do this any more. Not to mention the hassle of finding out what my mistake was in the first place. — Björn Zurmaar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I can reproduce. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
Small nit-pick: not just the broader meta community; the community as a whole. Hot questions are a positive feedback loop - that's a dangerous thing if left unchecked, but there were checks. Predominate among those checks was a time-limit for how long something could remain in the bulletin - 3 days on SO. NobodyNada's answer highlights how turning this into a manual system has killed the diversity previously found in these posts; this isn't due to a loss of meta regulars, it's the loss of the greater community. — Shog9 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No thanks. Why would we ever want this? Why would we want more things to review? The whole point of preventing new users from posting comments is to emphasize that Stack Overflow is not a discussion forum and drive them towards posting an actual answer. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
Small nit-pick: Stack Exchange's analysis focused on reviewers, but I did my own analysis at the tail end of last year focused on prolific answerers who read meta; I scraped several months of detailed access logs in order to do so, and the tl;dr of that research was: frequent answerers DO read meta, and in very large numbers. This is the danger in drawing conclusions based on what is easy to measure; it too easily neglects what is actually important. The Stack Exchange company made this mistake repeatedly, but perhaps they will not be so quick to do so again. — Shog9 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
And actually that's not why people need 50 rep to post comments. — Robert Harvey 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
It's not a review queue, at least not in the same way that the broken review queues system works. I envision it more or less as a dimmed-out comment with a checkbox and an X next to it. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
Eh; this isn't worth doing at all unless it actually works to let new folks post comments. If someone tries to post a comment asking for clarification and no one ever sees it because it's buried under a mountain of spam, then we'd be better off just telling folks to post answers. — Shog9 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Let unapproved comments expire after a day or two. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Already did. You are aware that I know where the edit button is, right? — Robert Harvey 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shog9
It could certainly be tested, @Robert - but I'd want someone standing by with a big ol' "OFF" switch at all times. — Shog9 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It does work exactly like that. As we both well know, not everyone gets the message, and some users still end up posting comments as if they were answers, but it's a lot fewer than if we were to just open up the floodgates and let anyone who wants, unfamiliar as they are with how this site works, post anything they want. I really don't want to clean up that slog, and even if you argue that there are folks who would be willing, all of that mess would get in the way of the real content. That is the real reason we rep-limit comments. Do you have a different reason in mind? Edit to share. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Well, maybe I haven't described this well, but it should be as frictionless as possible. My assumptions are (possibly incorrect): 1. the number of sub 50 rep users who want to post comments is quite small relative to the total number of comments, and 2. Any high-rep user can swat these comments with a single inline vote, as they appear. — Robert Harvey 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@SecurityHound Former community moderator. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Are you actually asking if a community moderator is aware of the edit button? — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Isn’t Cody Gray currently a moderator though? — Security Hound 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
I think you misunderstood the exchange there. Cody Gray linked me, a user with 162K reputation, to the Edit button. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
And this is part of the reason I no longer participate in a substantial way in this community. The least I might expect is to have the community look my idea over in a good faith way before some bad-tempered mod decided to pass judgement on it. After the fiasco that occurred a few months ago you would think that folks would be a little more circumspect. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is downhausted
Pointing towards the edit button in a comment is pretty easy and fast. I don't see a need to overreact over this. — E_net4 is downhausted 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
Capricious deletion of comments is another reason I seldom participate here. — Robert Harvey 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Robert, after your reply, I realized that my inclusion of the "edit" link (which I did as a matter of habit and because it's so easy) could be perceived as a slap in the face to someone with your experience here, so I removed that part of my comment. Since it had led to a lengthy discussion (8 comments and counting), and all of those comments were obsolete (since I fixed what led to them), I deleted them. This is not "arbitrary deletion", and your calling me "bad-tempered" because I disagree(d) with you is not appreciated. — Cody Gray ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I don't like this at all. Why should one user decide that my comment is worthless just because I'm at 49 reputation points? When I can just post an answer and get my comment privilege? I imagine the good comments would be so rare that they'd be accidentally removed more often than not anyway. — Scratte 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
The problems started with "No thanks." Regretfully, I probably participated in this sort of tone back in the day, but it's a bad look coming from moderators, and it needs to stop. — Robert Harvey 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm trying to understand here... It's a bad look for moderators to disagree with suggestions? It's not as if I didn't give reasons, nor did I immediately slap a [status-declined] tag on this. Moderators need to be able to participate as community members, too, and that includes disagreeing with feature requests or other proposals to change the site. What would you have had me to do? Say nothing because I happen to have a diamond next to my name? Is there something wrong with the tone of "no thanks"? It is intended to thank you for the suggestion, but say I don't want it anyway. — Cody Gray ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think this answer to "Feature request on commenting vs editing with a reputation value under 50" may be related. — Scratte 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@Scratte: I posted this as a response to that question. I think it's the question the OP was really trying to ask. Unfortunately the former question sort of suffocated under its own weight. — Robert Harvey 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@Scratte: And Shog's answer below (and Cody's comments above) reminded me that the comment system is so vilified that there's virtually no hope of it being redeemed. Joel Spolsky had the right idea; we should just let all comments expire after 7 days. — Robert Harvey 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Not sure about that being in the best interest of everyone. Since harmful or very wrong answers are sometimes heavily upvoted, the only thing one can do to try to mitigate that is: Comment. — Scratte 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
Well.. if you want a second Steward badge for First Posts, you'll just have to undo 48 reviews :) — Scratte 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@CodyGray: Food for thought: now that there's a moderator council, moderators are effectively arbiters. They are now the gatekeepers for those community ideas that make it to corporate. Logically, such arbiters would hold off on passing judgement until the larger community weighs in. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"if you were working on an answer when the question was closed by others, an orange banner would appear at the top of the browser window telling you the question was closed" for the record, my experience was that the banner didn't always work. Sometimes it would show up, other times it wouldn't. It seemed pretty flaky to begin with. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
@WaiHaLee Want to respond with that as an answer so I can mark the question as answered? — Joundill 48 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
@RobertHarvey This is the kind of thing that I was thinking of. I was suggesting (if that is the right word) the possibility of something a little larger, but it doesn't need to be, and it could grow to something more in the future if desired. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
"we can't maintain so many version tags" Of course we can & do. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
I think the idea of limits or rate-limits is a good one. Those users should not have the need to post comments at a high rate, and I think they could understand that because they have a low rep, they cannot contribute as often. — Shaggie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shaggie
What stops users from posting abusive or vulgar "answers" that are not answers? If there is a automated system in place for that, I would think that it would make sense that it be applied to comments as well. — Shaggie 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
You posted that question during off hours, so maybe it just got missed by the time most of the people following those tags came back on. — John Montgomery 55 secs ago
 
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