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12:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Yes, it is a bug. As was noted, it has also been reported on the global Meta. The first comment from DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter is merely a joke. — Cody Gray ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
The -6 seems to indicate three downvotes in short succession. — Stephen Rauch 1 min ago
 
12:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben
Duplicates are not the problem with stackoverflow. As it is I think the current system is too aggressive, causing too many false positives to be removed. I think encouraging that behaviour is a bad idea. I think the problem is that people asking questions rarely see the post that they are allegedly duplicating, as the search system could use some work. Not to mention, half the time they are not duplicates in the first place, and they are flagged in error. — Ben 1 min ago
 
 
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2:13 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaker
@CodyGray For a minute, I was shocked. Lol — TheMaker 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaker
Also, as a note, the article I mentioned was published, and nobody really strived for change. Let's admit it: This site needs to become friendlier. — TheMaker 1 min ago
 
 
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3:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ardent Coder
I can understand your feeling because I used to think like that at one point of time. But then, I see it more like a professional site. It is not something like Facebook where people react on your posts by a dislike or an angry emoji which can be taken personally. Stay positive, write quality content and you can expect more upvotes. Don't let the downvotes demotivate you, instead they should motivate you to "Argh, next time I will write such an answer that it will get so many upvotes!" Wishing you all the best :) — Ardent Coder 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheWanderer
There's currently an off-topic question on MSE that's just a copy-paste of a very short homework question. I'm not sure that takes too much effort. — TheWanderer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaker
have just commented(and I would have edited), I would be really sad, regardless of the intent of the person who downvoted me. Please try to understand what I mean: SO should be a kind place, where people don't feel scared to ask a question in the fear it doesn't get answered, and they waste their time. — TheMaker 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaker
On Stack Overflow, people don't matter: technical content does.. That is the complete opposite! When you downvote someone, I agree that it isn't against the user, but that downvote will discourage them, make them sad, regardless of your intent! If you want somewhere where people are coddled, I'm sure there are sites for that. I don't think coddled is the word, the word would be "being treated by fellow humans as nice". I decided to stay here, curating content, and I used to edit a bunch of posts! But when I have 200 rep, and someone decides to downvote me, and instead they could — TheMaker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaker
I agree on one thing, though, questions that are about homework, where they have no detail whatsoever. — TheMaker 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@TheMaker - Answers are not guaranteed to happen, the fact people feel like their time is wasted if they don't get an answer, is a problem with our ability to set their expectations. — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
4:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What's sad is people getting discouraged by receiving a downvote. What would be sadder is if we relaxed our quality control mechanisms out of a fear that someone, somewhere, might be made to feel sad. Teachers don't give everyone a score of 100% on their homework, either, because not every submission deserves it. — Cody Gray ♦ 14 secs ago
 
4:31 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wim
@Ben Half the time? No way. Most duplicate choices are accurate and correct, from what I’ve seen. — wim 1 min ago
 
 
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6:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaker
@Security Hound If someone asks a question, and nobody answers their question, then they wasted their time! — TheMaker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@TheMaker - Most questions go unanswered when somebody does not know the answer to the question or the question is unclear leading to nobody knowing what the answer to the question is. In either case, the fact the question goes unanswered does not mean the author wasted their time. You are not guaranteed an answer even if your question can be answered. — Security Hound 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheMaker
@Cody Gray, if someone marks your question as bad, then anyone would feel sad. Asking questions is a good thing, something which in society, we should encourage it. Putting a downvote on it marks it as bad, something which shouldn’t be done. — TheMaker 33 secs ago
 
7:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
...We are much more like Wikipedia, in that we are building a resource of high-quality answers to programming questions. Some of those questions are bad, or at least not useful in our goal to build up this resource, and that's what a downvote suggests. There is nothing intrinsically good about asking questions. Only asking good questions. We have to have some way to tell the difference. The vote system is what we use here. @the — Cody Gray ♦ 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Failure to get an answer does not make asking the question a waste of time. For one thing, the act of researching and writing the question taught you something. Second, just because a question doesn't get answered today, or this week, or even this year doesn't mean that it won't get answered later. A well-asked question on this site can serve as a jumping-off point for everyone else in the future who has the same or a similar question. It seems you are thinking of this site as a help desk, designed just to help the person who asks the question. That isn't the site's goal at all. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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10:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rich N
@IInspectable I think the reason for the numbers of participants falling is in the results article. It wasn't advertised so much on the site. 'In our efforts to reach beyond the Stack Overflow network and seek representation from a greater diversity of coders, we advertised the survey less on our own channels than in previous years and sought ways to earn responses from those who may not frequent our sites.' The next paragraph says that this didn't work 'as we'd hoped'. — Rich N just now
 
10:51 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@TheMaker you know what makes me feel sad? You take me and anybody else on the site for granted. If a new user gets sad, that's to be avoided, but if answerers and curators are sad - whatever, right? They are disposable and their feelings don't matter. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
11:09 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DontKnowMuchBut Getting Better
 
11:21 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 the Rustacean
Stack Overflow only needs to change in a way that sets the right expectations to new users. They cannot just come here, expect to be entitled to the answers that they want, and then take offense over the content rating mechanisms. — E_net4 the Rustacean 48 secs ago
 
11:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
@VLAZ AKA 'Slavery Throughout the Ages' :( — Martin James 58 secs ago
 
 
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3:55 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
Let's not attribute voting and question closure to lack of kindness. These question bans do not happen from bad English alone either. They happen over a persistent stream of poorly received questions. — E_net4 is out of comment flags 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
People don't get question-banned for poor English. Questions can be edited to improve their spelling, grammar, and punctuation, so those things aren't a problem. — F1Krazy just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I have this query but that needs an update as it still uses the 5 rep per question upvote logic. — rene 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eklavya
@rene You can update it since it's outdated — Eklavya 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
another alternative from me: meta.stackexchange.com/a/268008/158100 with the same issue. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
your wish is obviously my command ... — rene 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
You don't get rep from review queues. Also, what are you asking? There's currently 4 close votes on this question (including mine) because it's unclear what you're actually trying to ask or suggest or whatever your point is — Zoe 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eklavya
@rene I don't know my words seem rude to you or not. If so I didn't mean it. — Eklavya 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
Why don’t you undelete and edit some of your downvoted questions, like you suggested? Did you run into a problem while doing that and need some specific advice? — Laurel 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RMR_MD
I will undelete the question I deleted: stackoverflow.com/questions/62086105/…RMR_MD 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
No harm done, we're fine. Thanks for checking. — rene 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RMR_MD
Now look at it and tell me how I should edit it. I was a little bit "dumb" and read the error later and then knew what the answer would be. So some voted it down and I understood that the question is stupid. Check it out — RMR_MD 29 secs ago
 
4:45 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I'm not sure if you're aware of the meta effect. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
5:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
How can this question have far more votes than the one that this is supposed to be a duplicate of? — Ann Zen just now
 
5:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eric Jin
Doesn't reputation already kind of do that? — Eric Jin 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@EricJin no, this is a content separation system. There's a "stack overflow for noobs" feature request dupe for this somewhere. — Zoe 1 min ago
 
5:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bill Tür
good programmers are always down voting noobs for asking question they think are too easy Have you any data to back up this accusation? — Bill Tür 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RMR_MD
Check out my questions. They are down voted pretty much — RMR_MD 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
... as good programmers are always down voting noobs for asking question they think are too easy... Users around here vote on the quality of the content they encounter. I appreciate you take the time to offer suggestions to improve Stack Overflow. I do not appreciate you accuse members of this community by making vague accusations you have no ground for to be true. Despite popular belief, down voting is rare. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RMR_MD
How do you mean that??? The data — RMR_MD 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
The one question of you that I checked for sure is discussed on this site but also the question checklist would have helped that question a lot. So that is about the content, not about you. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
I think you're conflating two separate things: New user and new programmers. There a new users that have been programming for decades, but just now decided to create an account. There's also seasoned users that have decided to take up a new field, like Haskell (I've heard it's the thing to so), and are "noobs" as you call it. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RMR_MD
But, those are "old" questions anyways. Why would someone look at them, why would someone vote for them, and why do I get banned for questions that are "old". — RMR_MD 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Your post need to be well received and that means it needs to get upvotes first. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
If you edit them they become active, people look at the active list. How do we know your new questions will be any good unless you can show us by fixing the old ones. — Robert Longson 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
when you edit them they go to the top of the active tab. Users that are following their tags will find it there. And I still get votes (both up and down) for posts from 6 to 8 years ago. Have some patience and if that all fails you have the 6 month opportunity to post a new question. — rene 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RMR_MD
Am I allowed to edit a question, but instead of making it better just ask another one??? — RMR_MD 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
No, because what you are describing makes no sense. — pppery 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It might be helpful to read How to debug small programs because posting a question with your code and then for us to sort it out is not what this site is well suited for. — rene 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
"Am I allowed to edit a question, but instead of making it better just ask another one?" That depends on who you ask. Some say "Yes, as long as you do not invalidate any answer". Some say "Only if you don't also invalidate comments" which I find a bit weird, since they're not permanent in nature. Some will say: Never. Not sure why not, though. But keep in mind that your aim is not necessarily to have your particular problem solved. Your aim is to help improve the Stack Overflow repository. — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is out of comment flags
 
 
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7:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Taytay
This question is literally the first search result for "How to start a chat in StackOverflow", and it is closed, with an answer late in the comments. I've voted to re-open it, but in the meantime, it sounds like you don't start a chat room for a question, but you can start a chat with an individual from their profile, as mentioned here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/310291/…Taytay 50 secs ago
 
8:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Cullen
TL;DR: We made some new users happier, some old users angrier, and most users didn't notice a change. — David Cullen 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jaden Baptista
@jscs It seemed like a pretty obvious idea, so I figured a few other people had thought of it before. I might've missed it, but I don't think I saw it on this page, so I figured I'd explain the rationale that led me to that idea myself. — Jaden Baptista 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@oguzismail nope, duplicate questions are conceptually the same question. It's not 'how to delete a file' vs 'how to delete a database', it's 'how can I add rows to a database' vs 'how should I use insert'. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by StoryTeller - Unslander Monica
If the same exact answer applies, word for word, the question is a duplicate. So the appropriate action is duplicate closure. — StoryTeller - Unslander Monica just now
 
8:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VeganEye
The idea is, as it wont apply word to word, our considerations would make the nested answer coherent with the current question, in wich case it would not be a duplicate. But so many down votes say I should just giveup on arguing, bb... — VeganEye 2 mins ago
 
8:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by RMR_MD
Yes, you are right. They are so mean — RMR_MD 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I don't see the needle moving on the whole Welcoming Wagon initiative, and the blunt reality is that not enough people care about it to make it worth pursuing. Over the last two years, I just haven't seen enough in the way of hard numbers to convince me that this is something that needs energy invested in it at the cost of other areas. Why is this still an emphasis? — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
what the issue of simply linking the answer or the question? or you can quote the relevant part you want in your answer. I don't think it's a good idea to integrate a whole answer inside another — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
Without duplicates nobody can reach 20k points or a Gold or even a silver batch further even when you mark it as dupe, you get that the user has already read it and also has it dismissed, so your approach would not help — nbk 52 secs ago
 
9:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
this is the duplicate process. The wording aren't the best but if you think the other question is a duplicate of yours (similar issue and answer covering your issue) then say Yes. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
I wanted to find the issue in my code (which turns out I had to clone a list), not to know how to clone a list — Ann Zen 5 secs ago
 
 
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10:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@R..GitHubSTOPHELPINGICE Nice to see that I am not alone :-) How could you avoid the downvote hird? — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 

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