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8:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PanthersFan92
First of all, I demonstrated a lot of effort. It was just an excuse. This question was asked after several days of debugging and I mentioned it in the question. It was an excuse and there's no way around it. They couldn't provide a proper explanation as to why they are suggesting to close the question or why they down-vote. When I took this to meta people agreed with me and now the question has a positive score. Did the question magically become better? No, people were just being a-holes to low-reputation users like they always are. — PanthersFan92 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@ÁronVárhelyi Debating and clarifying the question could indeed be vital to understand it, but the results of that debate should be incorporated into the question and the comments be cleaned up. Nobody should have to sift through comments to grasp the topic. — Modus Tollens 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Áron Várhelyi
Agreed, than its only matter of presentation if you present the answers before the comments all solved. The matter is rather of "user experience" as for the user that answers questions as well as for whom make the questions. After all, we are only humans... — Áron Várhelyi 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PanthersFan92
I even provided examples of many similar questions with way less effort and way higher scores. Second, you're right, I should have said "new questions". Granted, it could be that it's not 90% but 50%. It could be less than that, but from my impression, browsing through the tags I follow I see more questions with a negative score than the other way around. — PanthersFan92 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ess Kay
mods, by definition moderate. Answer accuracy will stay the same, because whomever would answer before will still answer. Perhaps less flagging will go around. Personally, It may be a good thing. Some of these mods take it too seriously and abuse their power. It's what some may call a Forum Nazi. Of course it is not everyone who is resigning, but to those, good riddance. — Ess Kay 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan is Fiddling by Firelight
The epicly facepalming bit is that 5 or 10 years back MS started creating (IIRC URL shortened) forward links intending that they could serve as safely hardcodable links into external documentation (ex Visual Studio); and then promptly broke them just like they have with every other URL on their collective sites every few months when someone gets bored and decides to completely redo the site hierarchies. I'm half convinced doing so is an annual review goal for MS PHBs? — Dan is Fiddling by Firelight 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Áron Várhelyi
To cut the long story short, not only the end result are important, but the process off getting there, and the involved peoples experience are also important. In my humble opinion. (another 2c :)) — Áron Várhelyi 1 min ago
 
8:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Stack Overflow has high quality standards. Posts that don't meet the community's quality standards get downvoted. That has nothing to do with being welcoming, @Pan. Votes are nothing more than how other users express their opinions regarding the clarify and usefulness of a post. I've posted many things that have been downvoted. The correlation you're perceiving between new users/low rep and downvotes just doesn't exist. I posted this question with my "gazillion rep", and it still got downvoted because folks thought it was unclear. That's fine. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PanthersFan92
@CodyGray First of all I really appreciate the fact that you're addressing my comments about this issue. I know that sometimes down-votes are about the quality of the content, I'm saying that many times they are not. Regardless of the fact that there has to be a correlation between lower scores and lower reputation (even if I'm wrong), do you actually not believe that there are cases where users are getting down-voted for no good reason just because you personally are sometimes down-voted for good reasons? You're invited to check my profile for the mentioned post and judge for yourself — PanthersFan92 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Doug R.
Blaming users (many of whom are novices) for "poor-quality questions" is part of the reason that SO has a reputation for rudeness. Most users ask poor-quality questions when they first joined. I certainly did (some would argue that I still do). But veteran users took the time to educate me in how to ask quality questions. It's like any other form of mentoring; we were mentored, we owe that same consideration to those who come after. — Doug R. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Pan Aside from the correlation created by new users being unfamiliar with our quality standards (which are admittedly very high), I do not believe that there is any correlation between downvotes and rep levels/new users. I definitely don’t think “users are getting downvoted for no good reason”. Leaving aside vote fraud, which mods do handle, there’s always a good reason, usually related to the lack of clarity in the post or the lack of research effort. It might not be obvious to you, but it is well within the rights of the downvoters to express their opinion on the quality of the content. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
The critical difference here is that I chose to interpret the downvotes on my question as being evidence that experts thought it was unclear and/or did not show sufficient research effort. I didn’t get mad about it, I didn’t start dismissing their judgments as without reason, I didn’t take it personally. I just took it as what it is: a signal. You, on the other hand, seem to start getting defensive about it, which doesn’t serve any purpose. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I've never really understood how this is Stack Overflow's problem to fix. MSFT broke the links. If they don't feel that it's worth their time to preserve the links, why should SO? In any case, posts which reference blogs should be useful even without the links, right? Right?!? — Heretic Monkey 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan is Fiddling by Firelight
@HereticMonkey agreed that there's no good way to mass fix it; and given MS's long history of breaking all their links would be only a short term fix. My SOP when finding them is to search on the URL text. 80-90% of the time Google can figure out where MS moved it to, or failing that go to the [wayback machine](archive.org] to find a mirror of the page and then update the individual question/answer with a working link. More broadly, this is why any answer needs to be able to stand on its own without any linked content. — Dan is Fiddling by Firelight 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rainb
It really makes you think about the word "Gamification" — Rainb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Have you excluded persons with < 3k who just flags for dupe closer on purpose or was this an oversight? Should there be different badges for users who look for dupes, but can only flag, not vote to close? — Tom 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Turamarth
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
i mean... when a given duplicate has been answered thousands of times... it's hardly fair to expect multiple people to find the same one, especially with how bad the duplicate search box is currently. — Kevin B just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by &#193;ron V&#225;rhelyi
@Robert Longson: Good thing you edited your post. You see, before this topic gets closed, in that period of time all who read this, are reading the comments. Till the end product: the answer(s) are ready and set, this dispute between us is read by people who are potentially answering the question. Someone reading through our comments may be inspired to come up with a different, useful answer, specially for questions that are not all black and white. For people pondering the question, alteration of debate history is fallacy that wastes everybodies time. — Áron Várhelyi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wim
@Tom I didn't intend to exclude them, no - if you flagged for it, and it was accurate, then yes that should count just as much as being one of the voters. — wim 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
My concern would be who would get the credit for "duplicate". To close as a duplicate requires either a gold badge in the tag OR three people voting. Also, more than one Q&A could be valid duplicates. As well as the already mentioned: how to decide when to give credit / identify when giving credit is due. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@ÁronVárhelyi "For people pondering the question, alteration of debate history is fallacy that wastes everybodies time." - And none of this debate history can be altered because all of it is older than 5 minutes. So - I still don't see your point. — Modus Tollens 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I guess my point is, why are we doing MS's work for them? Why not leave them broken? Maybe if enough people start complaining to MS about them breaking their links they'll wise up. Maybe not, but in that case, they look like the idiots. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wim
My measure of accuracy is not "did many users agree on the target" it's "did the target help the OP" — wim 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Why must every action be rewarded? Why can't users just close question as duplicates when it's appropriate? — Security Hound 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
The the description would need a slight adjustment to avoid specific words like "close", because they cannot close. Or maybe something like "Participate in closing x questions as duplicate"? That would include flaggers and close voters. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@SecurityHound It would just be a little nice thing to reward something useful. Users can get burned out doing all these mundane cleanup tasks and often getting called "rude" for doing so - a little appreciation would be nice and motivating. A badge like that wouldn't hurt. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wim
@SecurityHound Why have badges at all? Accurately finding dupes is an important curatorial role for continued health of the content on site. Badges are there to gently steer or encourage certain activities. My thought is that it could make users click earlier on that having their question closed as a dupe is not necessarily a bad thing, no shame in that. — wim 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@wim A little bit of reputation for new users would be a good thing as well, to manifest the idea that closing as dupes is encouraged and helpful. It could be done similar to edits - stop earning rep for dupe closure once a certain amount of reputation is reached. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I agree wholeheartedly. Recent changes to the dropdown menus on Stack Overflow (presumably as they update everything to use their new “Stacks” design language) have reduced the amount of border padding, which reduces readability and aesthetic appeal. This should be fixed as the dropdown is updated to indicate why there are no review queues available to you: because you are banned from reviewing! — Cody Gray ♦ 27 secs ago
 
9:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Note that for some other badges (voting/reviewing) accuracy is of no concern, so I don't see why this one should be different, especially since for non-gold badge holders it requires consensus on that there's at least a duplicate. Of course, in general, accuracy is important, but I don't think we should overcomplicate a badge. — Erik A 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andre Figueiredo
@Pekka Cost of living is not comparable. Same country or similar countries, perhaps; but it escapes from reality especially comparing countries with heavier taxes, and unfavorable dollar exchange rates. It does not include A LOT of variables, like purchasing power. How much time can it take for that Canadian salary to pay for a car, and the "adjusted" salary buy exactly the same car in Guinea-Bissau? And similar apartments, the full price paid after mortgages from 20 years now? Never saw either these COL take in account, how much of each salary it takes to buy the same flight ticket. — Andre Figueiredo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Sure, and they're asked on other sites, such as Reddit or Quora, where such questions are welcomed. Just because a question is off-topic here doesn't make it verboten elsewhere — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No, because experts know that such questions do not work well in our Q&A format, and therefore do not desire to ask such questions here, even if they selfishly would like to have an answer. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
related: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/revision/1189857/146516‌​0/… .. we can calculate the ratio of closed/reopened to get accuracy. — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
There is an alarming tendency lately to answer questions in comments. — Trilarion 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I did not feel that my comment was of sufficient quality nor contained enough detail to post as an answer. That is why I posted it as a comment. Why is that cause for alarm? Do you think I should not have been able to post it? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@HovercraftFullOfEels "off-topic here doesn't make it verboten elsewhere" Nobody said differently. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CodyGray No, it's okay. There is no cause for alarm. I'm waiting for the good answers. But comments are better than nothing. — Trilarion 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I agree it isn’t our fault, @Heretic, and that Microsoft looks like idiots for repeatedly breaking links. But having answers with dead links does reduce the overall quality and usefulness of our content for future viewers, so if there’s some way we can realistically address this, it makes sense for us to do so. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@Trilarion On Meta? That's not a change? Meta has always had a somewhat more liberal attitude to comments. Sometimes it just makes it easier eventually to delete a question that's going nowhere I guess. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Apologize and reinstate Monica
Everyone go help out at Codidact. SE is dead. — Apologize and reinstate Monica 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Apologize and reinstate Monica
So, no progress was made and we're at the same place we've been at for the past 6 months. Great. — Apologize and reinstate Monica 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
I don't really have any questions in the field in which I'm an expert. If I did I wouldn't be an expert. This does seem an opinion based question that would invite opinion based answers. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Apologize and reinstate Monica
This. I'm still not using any made-up pronouns. He, she, or their. That's it. SE can cry all they want. Bunch of babies. — Apologize and reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Is this a one-off fix for the review queue drop-down in particular, or does it add padding to all the dropdowns from the top bar (e.g., inbox, achievements, navigation if the fixed left sidebar is turned off, etc.)? — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
I have questions every day, just not on SVG. — Robert Longson just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@RobertLongson I have questions every day. Cannot be an expert then. Are there questions that fulfill some very specific criteria can hardly be opinion based. If you think so, I can only disagree. — Trilarion 2 mins ago
 
10:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gabriel
@SamuelLiew I can't help but noticing you only seem to have "pruned" (deleted) the comments complaining about this topic being featured yet again. But I'll assume good faith on your part so I'll just repeat it: it is time to let this go. — Gabriel 28 secs ago
 
10:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Apologize and reinstate Monica
Yes, you should be worried. This community is collapsing (I'd argue it already has collapsed) and will provide less and less value over the years to come. I recommend you stop visiting and find another site to get help on. — Apologize and reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Apologize and reinstate Monica
Basically, SE staff regrets not pushing for an IPO in 2014 and are now trying to make up for lost time. Too little, too late. All the best users have already moved on. — Apologize and reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Apologize and reinstate Monica
This entire answer is pure nonsense. You can safely ignore it. — Apologize and reinstate Monica 1 min ago
 
10:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Note that I edited the tag guidelines to add text about the question needing to be about programming. If anyone actually reads that, they'll know they shouldn't be asking policy questions. Not much more we can do. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
For big dupe targets like the NPE question and so on, this would make sense, but those are also the ones where a solution like this would be least needed. For less well-used dupes, the odds of multiple people even finding the same one in a search much less reaching the exact same conclusion are a lot lower. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
 
11:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
Does this answer your question? Is multi tag search broken?user4642212 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
I’m less interested in whether people pick the same target, and more interested in whether they pick the right set of targets. — user4642212 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Henrinson
This answer synthesises excellently what's wrong with the SO system. — Henry Henrinson 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
I only realized at the third box that these were not screenshots. Wow, that’s nice! — user4642212 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
“The link you use must be by itself and on its own line.” — Markdown links like <https://these> also seem to work. — user4642212 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Ooooh, it even accepts line numbers, colour me moderately impressed. — Nick A 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by poke
These render as plain links on mobile, but you know that probably already. Might be worth to point that out somewhere and ideally provide some fallback on mobile if you cannot actually one-box them there. — poke 23 secs ago
 
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