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7:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
I don't think this is easy to configure for operating systems (a reinstall may be required). — Peter Mortensen 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wjandrea
Not to take away from your main point, but regarding formatting: "They should be provided in a text form as a citation." -- I disagree, a lot of error messages are preformatted, so should be in code fences highlighted as none. — wjandrea 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "they are okay with wasting 100 peoples' minute because they didn't want to use their own minute": But this is the case for 99% of the users on Stack Overflow. Some even do it deliberately or can't be bothered to use the Shift key. — Peter Mortensen 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@wjandrea Good point, edited. — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Peter I tried so hard to avoid your Active Reading edits and I missed a single capital letter, damn it xd — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@Roland Maybe you should rather ask Microsoft to report english error messages. my OS is in german, but every frigging software and tool I use can be configured to use english. Except .Net. It will always give me german error messages. I'm not happy about that, but I'm also not changing my complete OS to english. If that reduces my audience on SO, fine, thats my own problem. But enforcing english error messages when the tool gives me localized messages against my own will is unreasonable. If you have found a good solution for making MS tools spit out only english errors, I'm all yours... — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@Braiam LC_ALL=C only works on Linux/Unix. And only if the tool adheres to it. Microsoft has the extremely stupid and annoying tendency to post localized error messages, and I'm not changing my OS language because MS decides to screw people over. Every other tool properly uses english, except .Net and many other MS tools. If you have found a way to make MS tools give out english error messages without requiring me to change my whole OS, please, point it out... — Polygnome 1 min ago
 
8:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Izkata
I immediately thought of PHP's T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM upon seeing this question — Izkata 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nathan Basanese
// , Obvious question receives obvious answer. — Nathan Basanese just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nathan Basanese
// , Do Error Messages fall into the same category as "Output"? — Nathan Basanese 44 secs ago
 
8:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nathan Basanese
// , Well, I guess that would technically work. Quite the hack fix, though. — Nathan Basanese 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nathan Basanese
// , Or you can just add ..... after everything: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/399401/2146138Nathan Basanese 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nathan Basanese
// , I guess he's saying that empty lines in his code are counted toward the issue of "too much code vs. explanation." — Nathan Basanese 1 min ago
 
9:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Let me ask you this: when you ask your new "unique" question after "read[ing] through a lot of different [existing] answers", do you explicitly mention the other Q&As that you've read? Do you make it obvious to all readers that you've already referenced the existing questions, and explain why you've found them to be lacking in regards to your unique problem? If not, then it's your fault that your questions get closed as duplicates: you didn't provide any reason not to close them as duplicates. If you are doing this, then perhaps there was some overzealousness. — Cody Gray ♦ 38 secs ago
 
9:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
10:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@NathanBasanese What is the purpose of "// , "? — Scratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
@Polygnome shouldn't error messages be displayed to the user in the language they are most likely to understand, so probably in the language of the OS? I think this in one of the (yes sometimes annoying) things that the MS stack gets consistently right, in that sense they lead the way in how we should write our own apps, but who has time to put that level of effort in these days... — Chris Schaller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@ChrisSchaller Its exactly the wrong way to head down. I have good reason to want my error messages in english and my OS in german. These aren't error messages that the average end users sees, those are error messages tech savy users and developers see. Why MS think they know better than me in which language I'd want the error messages is beyond me. I have that problem with no other tool. literally one. Except thinks like .Net. And no, putting my OS into english can't seriously be the solution. — Polygnome 14 secs ago
 
10:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zze
@DavyM yes, that ~6yr old question does answer point 2 in my suggestions. — Zze 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
146 question with a lot of answers. looks quite like any other tag that is active, with no that much traffic, — nbk 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Polygnome so, you can't change the language using environment variables? I knew Windows was bad, but even developer bad? — Braiam 47 secs ago
 
10:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
@Polygnome but isn't that in itself the wrong reason. Error messages are for the average user, it is up to us as developers to try and write bug free software such that the user only sees error messages that they can process. Its only due to our shortcomings as developers that we force the users to manually report error messages through to "tech support", even then, my German speaking user surely would be speaking first to a German speaking tech support person? English isn't ubiquitous, not all developers speak or read english, why is it that every other platform outside of MS assumes we do? — Chris Schaller 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Chris Have you ever supported a global .NET application? In my experience getting exception messages in Chinese or Hungarian gets old very quickly and will quickly make you wish for English text. Also it's not as if "Typenkonflikt: '[string:" was any more understandable to the average user than the English version. It's all greek to them anyhow, so why not make it easier on the developer? Note that Microsoft itself agrees that localizing exceptions was an error and has no plans on repeating this mistake with net core. — Voo 16 secs ago
 
11:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
What would probably work better is a merge. Only 7 questions in this tag are not also tagged [elixir]. No burn necessary — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
 
11:35 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
This will be my last comment on this, but my global apps use APIs to report exceptions and analytics back to me under the hood, I don't directly support end users, my regional based support team do that for me, because I can't answer calls from 200 million users. More importantly I make the software more sound than that, so I don't have that many users trying to report issues. When an exception does occur, the user sees a localised message that provides reassurance and a link and tracking number into our Support portal, that is also localised... — Chris Schaller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Herbert Peters
There are messaging apps and browser, that have built in translator utilities for anyone that need them. SO could provide a link too. — Herbert Peters 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KetZoomer
to the people who say just use google translate or other translation apps: they can work, but these are error messages, which could include code, file paths and other sutff — KetZoomer 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Herbert Peters
@KetZoomer. Sure, I wasn't talking about automated translation. That puts too much burden on SO anyway. It's just a tool, for when needed. — Herbert Peters 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@ChrisSchaller The users of my software never get to see any system exception, they get sensible, localized error messages, of course. But we aren't talking about these kinds of error messages here. .Net literally localized the text of the exceptions. And many other tools MS tools that devs directly interact with, too. Those error messages aren't intended for the end user. You are comparing apples with oranges. The point is that MS takes the choice away. I can't even log exceptions in english (or ask about them on SO) while displaying a localized error to the user. MS uses the OS language. — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@ChrisSchaller And since MS uses the OS language, I need to localize the errors anyways. Otherwise, I'd need a seperate server with the language pack of the target audience and couldn't ever support users with multiple languages on the same server. This just shows how much you compare things that have little to nothing to do with each other. — Polygnome 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Polygnome
@Braiam No, you can't. You are literally forced to re-install the OS with another language, as sometimes even installing the language pack isn't enough. Again, if you know a solution how to get the myriad of tools of MS that use the OS language (e.g. .Net, the console, PowerShell and whatnot) to use english instead, I'd be incredibly thankful as would probably thousands of other devs. — Polygnome 1 min ago
 
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