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12:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@User1973 I see the logic behind paying for the “seed” and seeing what else sprouts on SO. As for “crucifixtion”, I understand where you’re coming from. All I can offer is that downvotes are meaningless here. Don’t let them sting. They just mean “this person disagrees”. That doesn’t mean they’re right (or that you’re right), just that there’s a debate. If you can allow yourself to take this grande view, it stops hurting. Honestly. — Dan Bron 5 secs ago
 
12:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@maaartinus I see - sounds java+perf has this problem while c#+perf does not... Maybe as alternative suggestion have usual regex-based warning for "comment contains CR|codereview and not {link to CR migration FAQ}"? That may be easier to implement and more likely actually have impact on those who comment... — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
12:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Roub
(among other things, 27K questions for npm vs 53 questions for npmjs) — Paul Roub 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Roub
I'd reverse that. — Paul Roub 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LarsW
@PaulRoub that's what I meant :/ — LarsW 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by User1973
@DanBron. Well put. I feel slightly less bitter. Cheers. — User1973 1 min ago
 
1:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
The SOP thing is not the biggest problem, if it was only that, we could hack up something by loading both iframes in the same snippet. The biggest problem is the very restrictive sandbox attribute which will make inner documents have an opaque origin... For instance jsfiddle's iframe is loaded in a cross-origin frame (fiddle.jshell.net), but it's not opaque so the frame content can load and access inner docs just well. jsfiddle.net/2v37p18a. — Kaiido 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
I think I see your point, but do you really think it would be more helpful to redirect people asking these questions to an answer stating "That"s spread syntax, go read more about it in this Q/A" rather than linking them directly to said Q/A? — Kaiido 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Harshal Wani
Does anyone get solutions? — Harshal Wani 39 secs ago
 
1:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
What does "fast" mean? — JL2210 1 min ago
 
2:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
@Turtlefight a Singular They seems to be the current gender neutral trend. I've edited to demonstrate, hope you don't mind — chris neilsen just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Turtlefight
@chrisneilsen thank you, i appreciate it :) — Turtlefight 1 min ago
 
 
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5:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Or, you could write an answer to the question they're closed as a dupe of, in which you explain what it is as well. — Zoe 1 min ago
 
5:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
Definitely looks like NAA to me — Modus Tollens 45 secs ago
 
5:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
@CertainPerformance Why would you want to? You are making new snippets for separate code and now you want them to communicate. That's pointless — weegee 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Indeed. Like I said, it'd be strange and pointless (at least in the context of Stack Snippets) — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
The answer has now more details (which still is not enough), if you check the edit history, an NAA flag was imminent. — weegee 1 min ago
 
6:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You need to look at the bare link here and then judge if it is NAA. In this specific case you'll get https://laravel.io/forum/11-15-2016-ho-to-paginate-search-re‌​sults and from that we see that ho to paginate search results clearly is an answer ... no, wait that can't be right either ... — rene 1 min ago
 
6:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I sometimes ask in the site specific chatroom if they would take a question. That is a kind-of light-weight opposed to asking on the site meta. That only works if you're into this chat thing ... — rene 18 secs ago
 
7:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
When did you flag that answer, and when was it declined? The current version may not be great, but it is not "not an answer". — yivi 41 secs ago
 
7:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Leffler
@JL2210 — dunno; it’s part of the error message and presumably means something to the authors of the malloc() package and contrasts with slow or thorough or some other word. — Jonathan Leffler 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Do know that SOCVR has a (lengthy) FAQ that points out our rules. — rene 1 min ago
 
7:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Just flag the post for a mod and explain what is going on. The mod will handle it accordingly. — rene 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Worth knowing some back ground on the specific behavior: meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=help+vampirerene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexis Wilke
@rene, okay, I've sent a flag about that one. Thank you. — Alexis Wilke 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@xdtTransform the welcoming term is "problem-related blood requester" — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexis Wilke
@xdtTransform, Ah! It has a name! :-) That's exactly that kind of stuff. He edited his questions with corrections too... Argh. — Alexis Wilke 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
@AlexisWilke, Yes, you are not alone. At least yours is polite and do not duplicate itself when feed after midnight. My best Vamp has for help during 3 weeks — xdtTransform 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
If you want the very generic solution, then go with What does this symbol mean in JavaScript? But I find it's too generic - I just find what the asker needs from there and link them to that one. It works fine, even if the dupe target is something they couldn't search for (e.g., "spread syntax" without knowing the term). After all the dupe notice says that an answer to your question can be found at this other place. Not that your question 1:1 including terminology to it. — VLAZ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@yivi their flag triggerd this LQ review that was cut short. The question here is asked at 5:20UTC the salvaging edit was done at 5:27UTC. So we can be sure the OP, the reviewers and the mod saw a link-only answer. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@yivi It was edited 2h ago, I still saw the original link-only answer, so the flag was on that version. I flagged the original version as well. — Modus Tollens 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Didn't realize the edit was performed after this question was posted. Thanks @rene. ho, to delete naa! — yivi 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Всеволод Тимченко
@DanBron Well, the problem is obviously not intermittent or rare, as can be easily seen from the linked question about pluralsight integration. And the "hit back and try again" fix is certainly not a fix, since it doesn't work. — Всеволод Тимченко 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
A link only answer is not an answer. — yivi 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Jeanne And how does that applies here? The link itself is not the answer in this case. The link is just a link to a place where the answer resides. — yivi 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
From the FAQ: "Notice that this is not necessarily the same thing as "link-only answer" (although there is much overlap). In particular, answers where the link itself is the answer to the question are excluded and should not be flagged." and there's more about how to handle "link-only answers". — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@yivi Actually, it is an answer, we only don't like it on various reasons: 1) post must be readable even after the remote site goes down or its content is reorganized 2) visitors of the future will need to click away to read the content. | This is why link-only answers are not welcomed, but they are answers (they answer the question, on the top). — peterh 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
The number of close voters is much more the limit than the number of close votes per voter. I hardly ever reach the limit close votes, only a few reach that. One could lift the limit but it won't have a significant effect. It may even increase the error rate (at some point you are just exhausted and we don't want robo-reviewers). — Trilarion 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@yivi The question doesn't cite MSO's own FAQ on NAAs (it contains a link to the MSE version). I thought I post the link in a comment, so it could be included in the question. If the info therein makes it clear that the flag was justified, it's a good argument, isn't it? — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
No, they are not an answer. They are a link to an answer. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
Just one correction. The number of askers is not increasing anymore lately. For the last two years, it's kind of remaining constant. I agree though that review activity is in steady decline. — Trilarion 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@yivi The deletion reason in the VLQ queue sounds so: "Link-only answer". — peterh 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I've skimmed their license agreement and I'm not even sure you're allowed to copy the content verbatim. — rene 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
Actually, the FAQ contains the likely reason for why the flag was declined. It's worth reading: "If you find an especially useless link-only answer, such as one with a dead link, it is better to use the "requires moderator attention" flag so you can explain to the moderators why the post should be deleted. Don't leave moderators guessing; be explicit, rather than using a generic "not an answer" (NAA) flag. Do this only if you cannot improve the post yourself and the only possible solution is deletion." and then come examples of how to improve such posts. Only flag if that's not possible. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@JeanneDark but still, they flagged the original revision and that had all signs of a link only answer. None of that would have needed a mod and I'm 100% sure if the mod left it for the reviewers to handle it, it would have been deleted. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@rene Maybe the mod didn't want to see it deleted? Again "Do this only if you cannot improve the post yourself and the only possible solution is deletion." The flagger seemingly made no attempt to improve the post. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Or the mod simply made a mistake in this case... — Cerbrus 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@JeanneDark Okay, then the mods have changed tactics because of my 10,000 flags 90% have been marked helpful on exactly answers like that. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@JeanneDark consider giving a read to canonical guidance on these matters: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Peacock
How about not showing the banner ever if the user has voted a certain number of times or more? I've been on the site a long time and always for for stuff that is helpful, I don't need to be reminded how it works. — Chris Peacock 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@gnat Is my interpretation of MSO's own FAQ incorrect? If not, maybe the post needs to be changed (it seems to me that it should be more relvant to a mod on SO than the MSE post). — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@JeanneDark if your interpretation of the quoted text is that it doesn't qualify as klink-only then yes, it is incorrect. Typical advice for these cases is to strip the URL and after that check if it can be an answer. Let's try it here: A solution that worked for me : blah - do you think this would be an answer? — gnat just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
Google it, maybe ... ? — Jonas Wilms 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@gnat From the FAQ: "Examples of ways to fix a low-quality link-only answer are: Editing in the pertinent information from the link. Try to summarize the information in your own words and quote relevant parts." — Jeanne Dark 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
searching for url:https://i.stack.imgur.com/DlgkW.png didn't reveal anything, nor on the networkwide search so if that image has been in a post, it is now deleted. Maybe a mod is willing to do an search with isdeleted:1 but that will only be nice to know as you can't answer a deleted question. — rene 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by walen
Please notice that you are not answering OP's question: "Why was my flag declined?"walen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@peterh: "answer" there is used as a way to describe the post type. It's not a question, it's not a comment, it's an answer. That doesn't mean it answers the question. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I don't think it's fair to expect reviewers to put the effort the answerer should've put into the post, into the post. They submitted a link-only answer. It's up to them to fix it. — Cerbrus 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Looks like Wolfram Alpha to me. Maybe. — yivi 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
You are convinced you saw that image on Stack Overflow, right? Not on some other forum out there in the wide internet. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@walen: Then only the moderator that declined that flag can answer this question. I wrote this answer to explain how these link-only questions generally should be flagged. — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@Cerbrus Again from the FAQ: "Leaving a comment informing the poster of the problems with the answer and politely asking them to fix them. (This is especially appropriate for old answers, posted by still-active users, that were once useful but haven't aged well.)" — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
or on other SE sites, like Mathematics or Cross Validated..? — Andrew T. 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Cerbrus The reasoning continues around so: "While this link might answer the question..."peterh 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Yea, we can't expect reviewers to comment on every post they review to give them a chance to fix it, first. Commenting like that is the exception, it's not the standard. — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
This image is presently accessible at : i.stack.imgur.com/DlgkW.png . The first time I saw it was probably on Stack Overflow. But What I am interested for is more general. If one have the name of an image which is on i.stack.imgur how to proceed to go to the question from which the image is issued. — JJacquelin 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@Cerbrus a mistake seems like the most obvious reason, but I'd still like to know if there's another reason. We've had sudden policy changes before too — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
You're reading that text very literally. It's also not what the flag says. "deletionist instincs" is not constructive, peter. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@gnat It maybe entirely optional guidance but still be the explanation for why a moderator decided to decline the flag, based on MSO's own FAQ with a score of almost 300 and no visible attempts to improve it by the flagger. And if a reviewer feels that it's too much work, the review can always be skipped. — Jeanne Dark 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Suggest that the user gives up software development and goes to work for the IRS. — Martin James 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Cerbrus The flag says that link-only answers are not welcomed, but if someone copies its essential part, they will be spared. If not, we kill them and saw them with salt. But, we should not do that with killer instincts, covered by purification. This is why categoric statements clearly contradicting our most basic texts are not welcomed. — peterh 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@JeanneDark: The FAQ also states that you shouldn't include content from sources where the source license is incompatible with SS-by-SA. As far as I understand the license on laravel.io, all the right stay with the author of the original content and thus are incompatible. I'm not even sure that the quote that is now included is safe. — BDL 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@JeanneDark you somehow seem to imply that falgger is expected to try improving. This interpretation of the FAQ is wrong. It is entirely legitimate for the flagger to make no attempt to improve and just use NAA. Guidance is there only to provide necessary details for the case if one wants to improve instead of flagging — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@BDL From the FAQ: "Don't leave moderators guessing; be explicit, rather than using a generic "not an answer" (NAA) flag." Explain, why the answer can't be saved and the mod handling the flag will know. — Jeanne Dark 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@walen If you cite a mod, it helps only a little. The MSO community became so antagonistic that it doesn't even honor the mods. They are completely crazy, far worser as ever, today even the mods need to think a lot before they post anything, and their posts often end up deeply downvoted. However, this unhealthy direction made their importance near-zero. Don't worry on our downvoted posts, they don't represent anything (actually, negated scores on the MSO make us closer to the reality). — peterh 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
There is no "Link-Only" flag. The "NAA" flag is used here: "This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether." The flag does not mention links, peter. — Cerbrus 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@gnat Not in the slightest. I quote MSO's own FAQ titled "When to flag an answer as “not an answer”?" to help finding out why the flag in this case may have been declined by a moderator handling it. That's all. I'm not saying that link-only answers are totally awesome, or that reviewers have to write people's answers. — Jeanne Dark 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@Cerbrus You mean, as an answer? :P — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Can someone add a link to this FAQ we're discussing? — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
@JeanneDark trust me mods normally "approve" flag on these kind of answer (I have flagged more then 10K posts as has Zoe), it's probably a miss click as the the declined flags on this stackoverflow.com/questions/54926880/…Petter Friberg 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@walen: please note that peterh is well known on meta to be antagonistic against basically every standard procedure. He does not speak for the community of the mods. (Neither do I, we're all just individuals) — Cerbrus 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@JeanneDark please read the FAQ more thoroughly, it refers to the "another castle" guidance as an authoritative source which it is itself based upon — gnat 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Cerbrus Check the VLQ review queue. — peterh 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeanne Dark
@Cerbrus I linked to it in my first comment. — Jeanne Dark 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"SE itself recognizes link-only answers as answers" It doesn't. If it did, we wouldn't be having this discussion. — Cerbrus 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Cerbrus What is completely irrelevant to the fact, that the SE itself recognizes link-only answers as answers. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Cerbrus Currently, walen's pretty good post is voted down to the hell, because he is a newbie on the meta, and he did not start with a huge mass of bootlicking. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@peterh: Yea, that's a deletion reason. It's not a flag. — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
In order to make clear my question, another example : [1]: i.stack.imgur.com/drPv6.jpg . I know from where this image comes because I posted the question to which the image is linked. So, that not the question. Now, suppose that someone had only the above link, can he go to the forum and to the question ? — JJacquelin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Jonas and rene's comments are the ways if the image is in the current revision, but it won't work if the Q&A is deleted, or if the image is replaced by another URL (in which we have to search for the whole revision history instead). — Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Cerbrus Ok, then I wish to you, and also to me, a good work today. :-) Be back after midnight. :-) — peterh 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
In order to make clear my question, another example : i.stack.imgur.com/7qcFH.gif . I know from where this image comes because I posted the question to which the image is linked. The image is not deleted. The question is not deleted. So, that is not my present question. Now, suppose that someone had only the above link, can he go to the forum and to the question ? — JJacquelin 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@Cerbrus the post we discuss is linked here, it was called "FAQ" in currently deleted comment (available in archive) — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
hmm, url search is hopelessly broken. I found the post of your first sample but only because I went through Google first. :/ something is borked in Elastic — rene 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
That's strange ! When I click on i.stack.imgur.com/DlgkW.png . I immediately get to the image. — JJacquelin 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Because I now know the site (and that is small enough in number of posts) this SEDE query works: data.stackexchange.com/math/query/1097054rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Why is that strange? — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Somehow related on Android.SE: How to name tags for Android 10?Andrew T. 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@AndrewT. SEDE is really bad at free-text search because it most often can't visit all Posts.body within 2 minutes. — rene 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raedwald
The best way to avoid problems with help vampires is... not to engage with them at all. Just down vote their question and vote-to-close it, if those are justified, then move on. — Raedwald 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Let’s keep the name calling out of the discussion. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
@rene I believe SEDE is the answer. And hopefully also SE APIAndrew T. 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@AndrewT. why does that SE API call work and the on-site search does not? — rene 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
@rene. What is strange is that you succeed to find the query/1097054 from which my own image is issued, while one cannot find from where the image DlgkW.png is issued. — JJacquelin 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@JJacquelin yeah, Stack Overflow has too many posts to go over. If a query doen't return a result in 2 minutes it gives up. — rene 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
OK. I understand. Thank you very much to all of you. — JJacquelin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 4386427
@DavidHeffernan I have see "use a debugger" comment that was good and constructive but I've also seen such comments worded in a way that was obviously unfriendly. As the comment was removed, we can't know the exact wording. Could it be that a mod considered your wording "unfriendly"? If you recall the wording it may be a good idea to add it to the question. — 4386427 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
I wouldn't call that answer wrong. It just doesn't mention a restriction. I wouldn't edit it since there are already other answers that state the negative number problem. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
OK. The original question was probably deleted. That is a raisonnable conclusion. — JJacquelin just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
Relative meta: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13676/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265552/…, so first one says to flag non english as VLQ/NAA and in any case if you decided to translate against direction in first meta, it's still NAA according to official guidance (second meta). Mods seems to be miss clicking a lot lately :) — Petter Friberg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Manohar Reddy
ya seems like android.stackexchange.com having similar problem with android 10 . This question is also a tag synonym and retag request so I am gonna let it stay . — Manohar Reddy 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJacquelin
That is the question that I was looking for. Bravo, well-done. I learned a lot on the search about images. — JJacquelin 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Enclosing the URL with "" (double quotes) works though... url:"https://i.stack.imgur.com/DlgkW.png"Andrew T. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp
In my opinion, the +279 comment can be converted to an edit; as follows:- As @RightSaidFriend says, Worth noting that it differs from .floor() in that it actually just removes anything to the right of the decimal. This makes a difference when used against a negative number. Also, it will always return a number, and will never give you NaN. If it can't be converted to a number, you'll get 0. The number of comments is ... a confusing experience, some or all of them can then go. — jpp 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@AndrewT. then that was my "bug" — rene 53 secs ago
 
10:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
You used two different gmail addresses, one starting with S another with W. Instructions to merge: stackoverflow.com/help/merging-accountsSamuel Liew ♦ 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Probably best to use the Contact Us link and ask for an account merge. SE staff has a process in place to verify the other account belongs to you and execute the merge. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Heffernan
@4386427 I can't remember the exact wording but I don't consider it to have been unfriendly. I requested that the asker include the findings of their debugging efforts in the question text. — David Heffernan 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
It is kind of funny how Google indexed that. It finds the url in the comment but for that Math post it claims the most unique part (7qcFH.gif) is missing, yet adds the page to the result. Magic. — rene 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Why someone plagiarized the accepted answer into that post? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
BTW, what Robert says in comments is correct. Even in spanish, it's a mee too comment. — Braiam just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Heffernan
@halfer My experience is that in recent times (starting maybe 3-6 months ago), I have noticed comments I post being removed at a significantly greater frequency than before. Of course, I have no data, because there is no record of deleted comments available for non-diamond mods. — David Heffernan 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Google works in mysterious ways, @rene... — Cerbrus 28 secs ago
 
11:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Possible duplicate of How to merge user profiles?gnat just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Braiam They didn’t; the included the information from the link into that post. It just so happens that there’s only one way to solve the issue the OP has. — George Stocker ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@GeorgeStocker are you serious? It said something on the tone of "copying the accepted answer". — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@braiam the accepted solution from the other site. It’s not plagiarism if you cite your source; either. — George Stocker ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Could you have a look at the license of laravel.io? As far as I can tell, copying content from their and posting it here under SS-by-SA might violate their license. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@BDL that is a pretty offensive license you mention there .... I hope you mean cc by-sa — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
@rene: :) Good spot. — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
A low quality answer to three year old question that already had an accepted answer... Salvaging this doesn't seem like a very wise use of time, and declining flags in the meantime to do this discourages curators, who now feel moderation has gone haywire and it's become harder to predict. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@bdl we aren’t the people to ask about other aite’s Licenses, nor do we want to be in the business of trying to parse licenses in the course of our moderation. Quite simply, we wouldn’t have time to moderate if we did that. If a site/user/company raises flags or submits DMCA requests, those are handled by legal professionals. We are not legal professionals. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
normally I would mark the flag as helpful I think all users would prefer if you stick to what you normally do ... — rene 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
The account you are using now is quite old, created over 4 years ago. You can initiate an account merge to have them joined. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
1. So, you are saying that you are going to leave the answer until the OP edits? The answer's going to receive more flags and the LQP queue will delete it eventually. Therefore, this way, you waste reviewer's time. Also, what are you going to do if OP isn't going to edit? Remember that OPs can edit their deleted posts (if they are interested too much in them). Also, most NAAs/VLQs have comments on them by reviewers and/or flaggers. In this particular case, OP had 2 hours to edit, too much time IMO. — double-beep 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
In the process of trying to save content that is beyond saving (a post in a different language, really?) you are antagonizing and confounding those that are actually trying to work for the site. I'm confused by your strategy. — yivi 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
While I understand your intention, this isn't the way to do it. OP got feedback in terms of a comment more or less right after posting. It was up for a long time, and it still is, and OP still hasn't reacted. If they had any intent to fix their post, it's possible to edit while it's deleted. Declining flags and invalidating existing reviews just wastes flags and potential reviews. Flags and close votes are already a limited resource for us mortals - we need what we can get, and stuff like this could result in work done on an answer going to waste. Regular flags might not be the biggest deal, — Zoe 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
In the future, I suggest taking a better look at the (answer) flags you are reviewing and not declining immediately. In addition, you should, IMO, share your thoughts and strategies with the other mods and listen to their opinion acting accordingly because if every mod followed their special strategy then... perhaps we would see spam posts would becoming... HNQ. — double-beep 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
but what about mod flags? Also, are you 110% sure the license of the site is compatible with the site? If copying the content isn't allowed, and you reverted a revision that fixed it, that just causes a bigger mess. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Louis
@Zoe The license on that site does not get to obliterate fair use. — Louis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
Every MOD have special strategy to handle flag. Is there any standard rule ? Should we stop flagging ? — Shree 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
see also September 2011 Newsletter of SE Community Moderator Blog: "Marking a flag [declined] was designed to deter serial abusers of the flagging system, but we find that this “slap on the wrist” is being used more often than is beneficial... try to err on the side of clearing as [helpful] whenever the user is trying to be genuinely helpful, even if you do not necessarily act on the flag... — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Shree if you see one flag being declined? No. If you see one hundred? perhaps. — George Stocker ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@yivi "...discourages curators, who now feel moderation has gone haywire and it's become harder to predict" - Thanks for putting it into words, it's exactly how I've been feeling for some time now. — Modus Tollens 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
And if we are seeing a bunch wrongly declined? You suggest we should stop flagging at all, right? — double-beep 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@double-beep When you say "you waste reviewer's time" and say "we are seeing a bunch wrongly declined? You suggest we should stop flagging at all, right"? you are coming across to me as combative, and it makes me not want to engage with you. What are you optimizing for by posing questions in this manner? — George Stocker ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@GeorgeStocker: We're told to be cautious when copying (partial) answers from other sites, for licensing reasons. Are you now telling us we shouldn't worry, and that the source site should send SO a DMCA if we copied their content? — Cerbrus 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
If one declined flag does that; it's going to be a rocky ride for all of us. — George Stocker ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus Can you provide the source for what you're saying? In what context were you told that? As far as what moderators do I can tell you that we don't mess around with licensing; if it cites its source we keep it around until someone DMCA's it. We're not in the business of parsing licenses. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shree
@double-beep Although personally I am not agree with his answer / comment , I appreciate his good faith. So close the chapter here and move on. There are so many things beyond this post. — Shree 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
For one, the answering help center page literally tells us not to copy-paste content from other sites, it also tells us the name of the original author is mandatory. I can't find a reference to licensing that quickly, but I'm certain themes like BDL's first comment here (reposting under CC-by-SA) has been discussed before. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@GeorgeStocker thank you for your insight. Please raise it as an answer here, as it seems to be an answer to my question. — Andras Deak 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
You're basing this off of two people posting a declined flag that they received yesterday as evidence of a change? So far we've handled 1600 flags today (as of 12AM UTC, of which it is 4am UTC as I write this). I don't have the stats for how many flags we handled yesterday, but I'd assume linear projection; so maybe 5000 a day? I think it's just the publicity effect of two people posting their questions about it. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@George, just for clarification: those numbers you provide are for NAA flags only, or for mod handled flags in general? Thanks. — yivi 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Ok, thanks @George. But then I think those numbers on their own are kinda meaningless. I imagine the vast majority of those flags are for comments, for example; and hence their handling is not relevant to this question. Not saying that you are right or wrong, just that without context the numbers you propose as counter-thesis are not really helpful, IMO. — yivi 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@yivi I can't break it down by flag type. It's not stored that way in the analytics dashboard. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@yivi if by "counter thesis" you mean "The mod that handled those flags" and "a moderator", then yea I guess it's a 'thesis'? — George Stocker ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
George, your comment imply that these these two rejections are meaningless compared to the vast amount of flags moderators handle, IMO. If I'm wrong, please post an answer. FYI, I do not dig the condescending tone in your comment. I hope it's not coming that way because I offended you with my own comment. Bye. — yivi 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@Cerbrus I'll refer to what I said previously, if it cites its source ("quote") we keep it around. We'll let people who deal with licensing issues deal with licensing issues. — George Stocker ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
@GeorgeStocker honestly your answer here is very confusing, how could you even think of declining something similar?, so they edit?, edit to what?. LQP reviewer gets suspended if they continuously miss judge in review queue. According to me your stand should be "Sorry guys I messed up", which is not a problem at all, we know you do a lot of work, we have no problem with mods making a mistake, but we get very confused when they suddenly change the rules. — Petter Friberg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Fair enough. In case this comes up in the future, mind if I link to this discussion? — Cerbrus 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
Do note that also the flaggers spend a lot of time, (raising >20K flags is dedication and take time) to keep SO good for future users, they merit clear guidance and answers.Petter Friberg 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
I'll answer your rhetorical question, despite you instructing us not to: the reason to comment so that the post author can see why their post was deleted and avoid making the same kind of deletion-worthy posts in future. The deletion of the post is generally irrelevant to that, since the post author gets to see it either way, and since most reasons for deletion cannot possibly be remedied by edits. — Mark Amery 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
That's interesting, @DavidHeffernan. I wonder if the Community Team would be willing to release some stats on this? — halfer 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@DavidHeffernan the site is testing new auto flagging - looking for unkind comments. As a result, most of them are not unkind, but actually no longer needed and just being routinely deleted by mods when handling the flags. Well that's what I was doing as a mod. But on a break right now. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@Raedwald While your question is great for most general debugging purposes (added to bookmarks), I prefer to find resources that are as close to the topic as possible. Debugging JavaScript in the browser is generally a lot easier than most other debugging experiences -- no external IDE, no need to attach to the program, no worries about debug symbols (except in cases of transpiled code and source maps), etc.. And while I link to a closed question, it is not deleted and therefore can continue to provide useful guidance. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
George, a word of what I promise you is nothing but sincere advice (though I am unsure if you'll believe me): when explaining moderation decisions, state clearly whether you made a mistake or stand by your action (or are now unsure, I suppose). Your recent posts sort of vaguely imply that maybe you made the wrong decision but fall short of outright saying so. That tends to draw a bad reaction. Point 4 at joelonsoftware.com/2007/02/19/… has valuable wisdom here. — Mark Amery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
So, that would mean that older questions about OkHttp 2 and earlier would have the same tag as those version 3 and later. Seems kind of weird if they are not API compatible? — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Before I merge [okhttp3] into [okhttp], can you please confirm these 106 questions are suitable for merging as well? stackoverflow.com/…Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yuri Schimke
I’ll review those. But okhttp is already used for the new API. — Yuri Schimke 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
I'm not sure why it was deleted as spam, but it's it a Java answer to a Javascript question? — BDL 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@PetterFriberg I have to ask why aren't you bringing up your criticism of my answer in the answer I posed it in? Why did you move here with it? — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@GeorgeStocker nevermind, I realize you mean the answer on the other meta. — Andras Deak just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
Good point - I spotted, but forgot to mention, that. — Wai Ha Lee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@PetterFriberg You still haven't really answered why you're following me around as opposed to making your original comment here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388912/… in the other post where it should have been made. That's what I'm curious about. Unless you're not looking for clarification at all? — George Stocker ♦ 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Downvoted since the reasoning is incorrect "Instead what I think we are seeing is one moderator having another view on how to handle flags" (source: I'm the moderator you're referring to). — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
@GeorgeStocker I posted an answer, so you can understand my view. I understand that you feel targeted on meta, but honestly I'm just trying to continue my work as a "caretaker" of SO and I'm getting worried that you feel you can decline any flag as you wish (no matter what content it have), I beg you to speak to other moderators and I hope you understand that we spend effort and take pride in flagging correct stuff. — Petter Friberg 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
@GeorgeStocker Have you spoken to other moderators?, do they agree that you can/should decline flag on this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/388911/5292302Petter Friberg 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
This is largely accurate; though I'd say it's far more context dependent for me. What all of this reinforces is for me to just mark flags as 'helpful' and take no action when I feel there is a better step to take since the alternative is to be piled-on on meta. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@AndrasDeak The effect of the pile-on means I don't come to meta to explain what I did. I'm sure that's not your intended goal. -- Or maybe it is? — George Stocker ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Louis answer sums it up rather well: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/388917/16587George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Both issues are crystal clear examples of crap that should be immediately deleted though. Non-English posts, come on! We need to encouraging users to flag blatant crap, instead of encouraging crap posters to post more of the same. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David Heffernan
@YvetteColomb Thanks. I have to say that I find it harder and harder to become motivated to spend time on SO these days. I appreciate that we need to moderate unkind and rude comments, but it definitely feels to me that we have gone too far in the direction of hindering experts giving advice. — David Heffernan 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@GeorgeStocker I don't think that's a bad thing. One small but subjectively important impact of declined flags is the message it sends: "you are doing it wrong/don't waste our time". Declining should in my opinion be reserved for wrong flags. Good-faith, reasonable flags where you make a well-thought-out decision (rather than handling things "literally without a thought", see comment flags) should be marked helpful. Nobody will worry if they see a post sticking around with a helpful flag, because the message is "thanks, but this is OK". The same with a declined flag is "No, don't flag this". — Andras Deak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chance Heath
@tgkprog this is a great idea. as someone who has worked on the product the last 3.5 years, we have received a ton of inbound interest in giving devs a better way to interface with an organizations own technical team. for example, on how to use an api, an sdk, etc. - It's something we're exploring building, but are in the very early stages of seeing what it could look like and do not have any specifics on dates or if we'll be able to get to it yet. Nonetheless, thank you for expressing that it would be helpful for you! — Chance Heath ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker one flag does nothing. 3 declines on valid flags affecting multiple users, however, is a problem. Especially if it's the start of a "trend", in which case please let me know, and I'll spend my flags on something more useful than a correctly handled/mod declined and ignored flag roulette — Zoe 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
@GeorgeStocker of course not, I'm always thankful when a mod cares to explain why they chose a given moderation action (even though they should be accountable for their actions). I'm personally only interested in moderation protocol and whether this is changing (as you might have noticed from my earlier discussions with you). The fact that you're again involved is largely coincidental. — Andras Deak 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
If there is an intended outcome of people calling out controversial mod decisions that I'd like to see is moderators changing their choices or leaving controversial decisions to other mods, and definitely not mods migrating away from meta (and with that accountability) while taking the exact same actions. But I know how you feel about meta, @GeorgeStocker, so I certainly understand your reaction. — Andras Deak 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
@GeorgeStocker sorry, you are presuming too much bad faith "following me around", I saw this as a follow post of that post and in the end I decided to answer this since my feelings of your answer is that you feel that you can act as you like not considering other community members effort. However I think the best thing we can do now is to disengage. — Petter Friberg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petter Friberg
Lets have a bots then, that extract random numbers... I instead would expect that moderator make best effort, conscious choice. — Petter Friberg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
"moderator lottery" ... great title for a TV format ... — rene 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@GeorgeStocker your deletion of my recent comment looks biased and unfair, please consider restoring it — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Also, and I can't believe I have to say this to a mod, but you are aware of what "declined" means, right? It essentially means "this post was fine". What about new flaggers who might get caught up in that, who aren't 100% aware link-only answers should be flagged? You're sending an extremely wrong signal to flaggers, you're going against the various guidelines established by both the community, as well as the company itself. — Zoe 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@GeorgeStocker It's based on two flags that made it to meta. There's technically three if you include the comment one, but we have no idea how many flags are affected. You've already made an enormous presence around issues brought to meta, so is it really that unreasonable to assume there's more, and a policy change? — Zoe 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
is unresponsive. — Zoe 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Speaking from experience, the majority of users who get feedback never act on it. Some say they'll "keep it in mind next time" (and neglect that now matters too), others ignore it, others post and don't return for a long time. I understand that improving posts should be a high priority, but I honestly don't see the point if we can't teach the answerers to write good answers in the first place. If you want to mark a flag helpful and sit in the comment section with an active user and help them improve their post, that's vastly different from declining flags and letting the post sit there when OP — Zoe 1 min ago
 

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