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12:02 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
One set of serial downvotes has already been reversed automatically by the script, @ankii. There may be another set remaining to be reversed within the next 24 hours. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bergi
@IncreasinglyIdiotic It is both. Your willingness to help others / the site, and your ability to contribute useful content (as judged by the other users). — Bergi 40 secs ago
 
12:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brad Gilbert
@JoKing Actually even if you had enough rep you couldn't do it since the server thinks that [perl6] is a version of [perl]. — Brad Gilbert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Mortarboard, Epic, Legendary, and Yearling will all be doled out to those who would have earned it as part of the reputation recalculation. I am not sure about Caucus, but I doubt it. — Cody Gray ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by alamoot
Awesome. Thanks for the super quick response — alamoot 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Marked this as a duplicate because that's covered in the long wall of text in my announcement question. :-) — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by alamoot
Yep, that's fine. The banner blog doesn't mention anything about the badges. Your announcement question (not sure why) has got a lot of downvotes so it doesn't show up on the homepage and when I searched for questions with the reputation tag I naturally skipped it. — alamoot 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Heavily downvoted because people disagree with the policy and don't think it should be implemented. Votes on Meta sites are commonly used as a simple way to indicate agreement or disagreement. You're right in this case, though, about the low score having the effect of pushing the post off the home page. It's been "featured" so that it appears in the yellow box in the sidebar on all pages. Anyway, no worries about missing it. Cheers! — Cody Gray ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nicolas Miari
I gained 1.3k since yesterday :0. However, the status bar here on the meta site still shows the old value... — Nicolas Miari 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Omielan
@CodyGray Thanks for providing those details. Note I asked a similar main meta question of Has there been any discussion regarding the original stated reasons for the question up votes being set at +5 from +10 earlier?. I've updated my question to provide links to this question and your answer. — John Omielan 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by hatchet - Reinstate Monica
Hmmm. My rank dropped 3100 places, but my percentile value stayed about the same because of a large number additional users that crossed the 100 point threshold because of their rep boost. — hatchet - Reinstate Monica 19 secs ago
 
1:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
This is reoccurring on at least a few sites. — Rob 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jo King
Huh weird... Is there any way to proceed from here, or do we just leave it as is? — Jo King 1 min ago
 
1:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
See the duplicate and We're rewarding the Question Askers blog post — Rob ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Saurabh P Bhandari
Oops !! Banner Blindness — Saurabh P Bhandari 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
See the duplicate and the We're rewarding the Question Askers blog post — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by faintsignal
Coming soon: Double-bonus rep for accepted answers of duplicate questions!faintsignal 1 min ago
 
2:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ankii
Was self answering not popular back then ? — ankii 30 secs ago
 
3:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Selcuk
@jmoerdyk Isn't that the whole point? Sweeping it under the rug until everyone forgets? — Selcuk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rob
See the duplicate and the We're rewarding the Question Askers blog post — Rob ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Prafulla Kumar Sahu
@Rob Thank you for the clarification. — Prafulla Kumar Sahu 1 min ago
 
3:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Darrick Herwehe
@CodyGray This has been on the reputation help page for as long as I can remember: Reputation is a rough measurement of how much the community trusts you; it is earned by convincing your peers that you know what you’re talking about. One would think that problem solving and technical abilities would be a prerequisite for convincing peers that I know what I'm talking about. I'm of mixed opinion on this change, but to pretend like reputation has always been about participation alone is rewriting history to defend unpopular changes. — Darrick Herwehe 53 secs ago
 
3:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NelsonGon
With so many questions showing no minimal effort and simply asking yet still getting upvotes, this is rather an unneeded change. — NelsonGon 1 min ago
 
4:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sevenseacat
"Aside from that, I’m not convinced that posting answers really shows that one groks the purpose of the site, either." wait, WHAT? — sevenseacat 1 min ago
 
4:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
What an awful answer. — JonH 25 secs ago
 
5:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel
@DenysSéguret, I have not been doing this as long as you, but I feel the same as you. I like the way you answered this, its what I always told those developers who will rename nameless that I disagreed whenever they said that Stack Overflow just showed employers you have a lot of time on your hands. I would love to know what kind of mindset says SO just shows employers you have too much time on your hands. What exactly does that even mean? — Daniel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mplungjan
This issue here is that the new question with a new answer was closed as a dupe of an old question with outdated answers - it is in hindsight not fair that the new asker with a new answer cannot even answer his own and make the new question plus answer the new gospel — mplungjan 1 min ago
 
5:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iBug
Now my hard-earned reputation point from answering seems to worth less than it used to be... :) — iBug 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Praveen
As someone who rarely comments on meta, but has read much of what has been happening, I just wish you'd asked the opinions of the user community (and not just the moderators) before rolling out the change, given how everyone feels right now... People who are downvoting may even have warmed up to the idea. You say that the change was made because data suggested it: it would have been nice to be able to see this data, and why it justifies the change. I like to think we're a community that can change our opinions when presented with evidence to the contrary. — Praveen 50 secs ago
 
5:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
Should the Feature Request tag be added to this question? — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Qwertie
Maybe we could rephrase the question to "Why do we consider questions to be worth less than answers" Is a question that 10 people think was good or useful worth half as much as an answer that 10 people found useful? There is also the fact that people tend to only upvote the answer that helped them and not the question that prompted the answer. — Qwertie 1 min ago
 
6:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cœur
What's the issue regarding bumping undeletion compared to not bumping? — Cœur 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I do not understand what you are asking here. Can you please clarify? Are you asking about situations where the asker is pressured to accept an incorrect answer? I don't think +2 reputation gain is nearly enough of an incentive to get people to accept answers that they don't find helpful. — Cody Gray ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
So don't look at the accepted answer. Look at other answers or write one yourself when you figure it out. — Zoe 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adesh Kumar
yes, I want to ask the same. Sometimes asker accepts the wrong answer and if one creates the same question then someone marks it as duplicate. Its really very helpless condition. — Adesh Kumar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adesh Kumar
very fun loving persons are also there who accepts answer just for fun :( — Adesh Kumar 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adesh Kumar
After reading a lot of blogs and many StackOverflow answers if someone is not getting the correct answer it's not good. Being a developer I can understand when you are following an approach for more than a year and finally have to change that just because of single issue with no solution. — Adesh Kumar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animusmind
@jisoo could you add it to my developer story too? Thanks in advance! — animusmind 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pkamb
"app"... how ridiculous. — pkamb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pkamb
Very annoying now to edit Questions with, say, "app" or "work" in the title. — pkamb 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
Well congratulations on reaching 300K anyway. You were at 298K last night. Do you get a unicorn painting now? — CodeCaster 50 secs ago
 
7:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Are you asking about situations where you want to ask a question, but someone else already asked it and accepted an answer that doesn't solve your problem? This doesn't meant that the wrong answer is accepted. It might have been the correct answer for op. You can ask a new question, link to the old one and explain why the answers there don't work for you. — BDL 1 min ago
 
7:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I'll do you one better: Why is the recalculation update? — Cerbrus 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by YCF_L
It's not a bug, it's made like this — YCF_L 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LinPy
I will stop my contributing right now , too sad .... — LinPy 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
... but you can click it for additional details. — Cerbrus 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Temani Afif
@Rob I guess it's due to the recalculation stuff across all the network — Temani Afif 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Denys Séguret
@CodeCaster I mainly get to have to hide my rep from recruiters and employers now that it's a measure of time spent, I guess. — Denys Séguret 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei
@jisoo - indeed it was locked by admins (each app is approved by admin before it can be used). Thanks. — Alexei 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ocaso Protal
@CodyGray Sorry, but why isn't that answer part of the blog post? Or at least why isn't there a link to that answer? You shouldn't need to comment with this link. IMHO the biggest problem in the recent events is/was that (most of) the staff of SE Inc. does insufficient communication. [I know, you are not SE Inc. staff so please don't feel offended by this comment] — Ocaso Protal 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KarelG
Hmm so, a decision got made to make a vote on a question a +10 instead of +5, which led to this recalculation process. Yet do those that made the decision actually know why a question upvote is not equally worth as an answer upvote? I advise try to spend a week answering newest questions first. Those statistics does not show the actual content. You only see numbers with it. — KarelG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user21820
@EternalHour: More like "Code. Quick!". — user21820 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Piro says Reinstate Monica
This is "by design" result of "be welcoming" policy. So do not expect change. — Piro says Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@Makoto Stack Overflow's priorities are clearly shitting on the users who built this site. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@CodyGray Back in the Atwood days, those unilateral decisions were actually made for the good of the site's quality, and hence we were happy for our benevolent overlords to make said decisions. Now we have decisions being imposed for "niceness", and today's overlords wonder why they are not trusted. — Ian Kemp 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BugFinder
We seem to be incredibly worried about keeping a newb, and not retaining people who answer — BugFinder 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Kemp
@sevenseacat Cody's drunk the kool-aid. — Ian Kemp 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ocaso Protal
I want to commend the Stack Exchange employees both for soliciting feedback from moderators and for listening to that feedback. Does that mean that the proposed change was even worse? — Ocaso Protal 7 secs ago
 
8:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei
Ok. So the main reason is a technical one. — Alexei 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michel de Ruiter
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
When they decreased it years ago, they also did so retroactively. I wouldn't be surprised if the way it's set up under the hood, they already had the mechanism to do it retroactively and didn't want to bother creating a new procedure that would just start now. "Okay, the first 12 votes on this question were made before November 13th 2019, so they're worth 5 points, and the remaining 3 votes were made after..." Just thinking about what would be involved to keep them straight would make me reach for anything that already exists to do the job. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
Possibly, but we'd need someone with insight into the decision making process to be sure. It's not a bad question to ask, there could be a much more interesting reason. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jorge Leitao
When I though that SO was about to stop doing bad changes and just stand still, you guys never stop surprising me! — Jorge Leitao 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
"How would you know whether someone actually read the answer?" The site doesn't keep track of anything quite so sophisticated in the view count. It's just how many times the page has been loaded by unique visitors, and even then it's kind of lazy at keeping track of who's unique. Since answers are on the same page as a question, the view count is already also the answer view count, minus the few views from between when the question and answer were each posted. This doesn't seem like a useful feature, and would be complicated to implement. — Davy M 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Answer views are already rewarded in the awesome people reached statistic on your profile ... — rene 1 min ago
 
8:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gerrit
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Well, you're wrong. It's not spineless, giving in to peer pressure is actually quite brave. — Gimby 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@Gimby There's a perceived association with peer pressure and smoking, using alcohol and drugs, created by don't give in to peer pressure campaigns. I can understand not wanting that badge — Erik A 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by claus
This does not answer the question "How can I reply" though? — claus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Sometimes bad answers are forced on me ...brain hurts ... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Wow, @wim, that is an impressive, but also disappointing (selfish) statistic. 1,186 questions, and only 1 answer. — Larnu 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vmonteco
Just noticed it happened to me as well. +1.8k rep for me (I was around 6k if I remember well) — vmonteco 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by avalancha
@MarkRansom correct, not in the number or quality, but in the way they are valued — avalancha 1 min ago
 
9:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meJustAndrew
I don't think that now reputation means what it used to. This change is similar to printing money, you have more, but they become worthless... — meJustAndrew 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1725145
@Larnu - why selfish? Maybe they are learning. Maybe their questions have helped others searching. Maybe they are not confident enough of their skills to post answers. — user1725145 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Provided answers is also a great way of learning, @user1725145 , and you try to solve problems that aren't your own. Only ever asking questions (over a 1,000 of them), to me, would suggest the OP is only concerned on their own problems. Yes, those questions have definitely helped others, but after 1,000+ questions you would expect someone to be competent enough to answer questions as well :) — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JeremyP
"Reputation unlocks moderation powers - reputation gained through knowledge means moderation will be done by more knowledgeable people and that reduces potential errors." This by itself is enough to convince me this is a bad move. — JeremyP 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
A cynical person might say that the intention is to punish the people who have answered many more questions than they have asked and then participated in MSE/MSO to downvote some recent changes. The punishment is that their relative reputation is reduced, e.g., overnight I have gone from page 220 down to page 251 in the user reputation leagues. I have been devalued by more than 10%. But it could plausibly be construed as an unintentional side-effect. — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Denys Séguret
The perceived impact on reputation goes in the way of asking questions IMO. And a downvote when asking, especially if it looks like it hurts the small rep you have at beginning, can be very painful. Maybe questions should not impact reputation at all. — Denys Séguret 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1725145
@Larnu your opinion. Not everyone is as confident as perhaps you assume them to be (eg may not have good communication skills). Also, if their own problems are someone else's problems, then that's good enough, they've shared something useful. As an aside, I don't like this change, which looks like a blatant attempt to raise the falling post numbers, but hey, codidact when all's said and done (wonder how long this comment will last...) — user1725145 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mukyuu
Another valid point raised. Which also reflected by the bad quality bountied questions even before the change. — Mukyuu 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Selaron
I can imagine doing it not retroactively would result in a quite complex procedure if they would try to do recalculation at any later point in time for whatever reason. Instead of calculating [numUpvotedQuestions * scorePerQuestionUpvote] they would need to consider the time at which the question has been upvoted and the set of rules valid at that time. SO developers should not open that door to their management ;) Additionally some users may consider it unfair that their upvotes in 2019 are not equal to upvotes in 2020 and later. — Selaron 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"wonder how long this comment will last..." probably not long, @user1725145 :) — Larnu 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tymtam
Ha! It's YOU! Finally I know culprit for all my troubles ;P — tymtam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Saharsh
Did people didn't understand this was sarcasm? — Saharsh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Qix
StackOverflow is no more than a silicon valley try-hard startup at this point (fully aware they're not based in silicon valley). They don't care about us anymore. They want traffic and revenue, and they don't care if it costs their community. Fuck SO. — Qix 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by machine_1
Well you could know that someone read an answer by making the web page send his scroll bar position info to stack overflow servers. That way, with some calculations, you could know if the user scrolled down enough to make an answer visible. — machine_1 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@CodyGray If we would be able to moderate all poor content fast, then giving more reputation to questions could pass. I still think it is bad idea in any case, but OK... In current situation adding features like this while moderation is in deep sh*** is just adding insult to injury. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user253751
Bad questions shouldn't be upvoted, so why would it make a difference? — user253751 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Deduplicator
@claus You respond by picking up your game. If needed after asking looking for guidance here. — Deduplicator 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
And to be honest... I would much rather see this posted here by Sara Chipps. But I guess she is to fragile to face criticism, regardless whether this is her's idea or not. It so much easier making other people do the dirty work. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jcesarmobile
I went down from 29xx to 33xx in the ranking because I answer a lot but barely ask. Totally unfair, should apply to new questions only — jcesarmobile 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
"OK, we succeeded in getting the more annoying mods and users to resign, but what about the remaining high-rep users who insist on downvoting and closing, so hitting ad stats? They're mostly highly skilled and experienced developers who are,politically aware'' ... "Hey! I know how we can really piss them off while looking good - we can't take their rep, but we can devalue it!" — Martin James 1 min ago
 
10:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What are some examples of horrible "historical" questions? — Peter Mortensen 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
@user253751 Because bad questions are being upvoted all the time. Welcome to reality. — Ansgar Wiechers 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lightness Races with Monica
"What does this accomplish beyond warm and fuzzies for the question askers who ask a reasonable question?" Nail meet head — Lightness Races with Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei
@Selaron - any change of rules (or law) might be perceived as unfair by some. Decrease a tax now and all that have payed the higher amount might feel that it is not fair for paying the higher amount for years and years. — Alexei 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mena
@PeterMortensen here's one, top of my head. — Mena 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mena
@PeterMortensen to be excruciatingly clear: the answers are great. The Q&A does have value (at the very least because it's a dupe magnet for similar, crappy questions). But is the reputation bonus deserved for the original asker? No way. — Mena 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ceztko
@xdtTransform Thanks — ceztko 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Selaron
@Alexei I agree fairness is a non trivial thing. — Selaron 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "for any times": Do you mean "many times"? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Antti Haapala
Closing as a duplicate of "What is banner blindness?" :D — Antti Haapala 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by luk2302
@CarlosLópezMarí 117 up, 231 down. — luk2302 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Carlos López Marí
Can someone with rep >= 1000 tell me how many upvotes has this question? — Carlos López Marí 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ceztko
@AnttiHaapala Such news deserve a permanent announcement in the Inbox, not a disappearing banner. — ceztko just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruard van Elburg
I agree with @DenysSéguret, questions shouldn't impact reputation at all. Or at least not be valued as answers as this is comparing apples with pears. IMO there should be seperate counts, one for questions (if at all) and one for answers. Apart from that, the privileges system is problematic as well as it is coupled to reputation. It's about perception which makes it seem unfair. IMO privileges shouldn't be awarded based on reputation but rather earned based on participation and other factors. Leaving reputation for it's original purpose, to underline the quality of the answer / question. — Ruard van Elburg 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Carlos López Marí
@luk2302 So this post gived him +708rep despite the community strongly rejected it. Interesting... — Carlos López Marí 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
"Reducing the amount of reputation gained from upvotes on questions did little or nothing to address the problem of users earning reputation from low-quality questions." Of course, if the question is not removed, sooner or later it will start gaining reputation regardless of its quality. Just the same increasing reputation will do even less for the question quality. (1/2) — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by luk2302
@CarlosLópezMarí you don't get rep on meta.stackoverflow (on regular meta you do), you always have the same rep value as on stackoverflow itself which is only affected by stuff you do on stackoverflow, not on meta.. — luk2302 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Perceived problem of users asking high quality questions and not gaining much reputation is dubious. If the question is high quality and it is answered (has a solution) it will gain reputation over time. If it is about some obscure problem and in less popular tag, then it may not gain too much. But there is already huge discrepancy between popular and less popular technologies, so I don't see that as huge problem. At least not something that should be solved by giving ALL questions more reputation points. (2/2) — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Introducing some bounty system for rewarding good questions would be better solution. If there is a need to give more reputation to great questions. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Schremser
@CodyGray thanks for clarifying. I never evaluate posts on the author and usually I don't look at the author either. It was more the visual of the avatar and the badges which struck me. I skipped most of those reviews anyway. — Thomas Schremser 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Schremser
@CodyGray since the cause was in fact some targeting, what should I do if I see something like that again - bring it to meta, mod-flag or just ignore? — Thomas Schremser 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
How would you define an "elitist place"? The dictionary entry for "elitist" does not cover it, I think. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by treyBake
is there a rep change notification? Would like to see how much rep I got from the change :) (memory too poor to remember my score yesterday :p) — treyBake 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Schremser
How votes are counted are merely rules and in now way a lawThomas Schremser 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@user3658307: Which Stack Exchange sites (for example)? I thought it was mostly about Stack Overflow (it is the only Stack Exchange site the initiator of all this talks about), but you say Stack Overflow is OK. — Peter Mortensen 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
I'd agree with you... if there weren't people who upvote "everything" rather than only upvoting good questions. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ruard van Elburg
The problem is probably not the reputation count itself (though I'd prefer a seperate count for Q+A reputation), but the fact that privileges are based on reputation. That's why it seems unfair. IMO privileges shouldn't be awarded based on reputation but rather earned based on participation and other factors. Perhaps earning badges should unlock privileges, giving more value to badges and at the same time providing the evidence of participation. — Ruard van Elburg 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "recapitulation": Don't you mean "recalculation"? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user7294900
@gnat I ask about the effect of adding reputation — user7294900 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Steen
@user7294900 From that question: "To that end, if you have questions, concerns, comments, or other feedback about this change, please post it as an answer here." — J. Steen 17 secs ago
 
12:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yannis
From my (limited) understanding of the process, a little bit of manual review/effort is required for accounts over a reputation threshold. This is probably what's causing the delay. — yannis 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sayse
@CodyGray - Am I right in thinking that you created this post on your own merit? I only ask because my current feeling is that any feedback received here is going to be ignored by Team Podcast. Kudos to you if this is true though! — Sayse 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
rep += (vote.Date < new DateTime(2019, 11, 13)) ? 5 : 10; Branch prediction is good, costs at most a handful of nanoseconds. Whether they don't have anybody left to know where to put it or they just don't care is not obvious. — Hans Passant 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei
@ThomasSchremser - yes, rules are not that strict as law is. However, changing the rules and affecting years of activity means a lack of predictability. And people tend to like predictable things. — Alexei 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ayorgo
Do you guys really think that it is us regular (and not so much) users who are the customers for the site? We are equally as much customers for SO as we are for, say, FB. Job advertisers are the real customers here and they demand more conversion in exchange for money. And when money start to play their part everyone else shuts up. All that recent welcomeness bs is only an excuse for the owners' greed for more $. — ayorgo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stargateur
sarcasm is good for chat not for constructive answer on meta. — Stargateur 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jesse
@CodyGray The "mass exodus of quality-minded users" is literally because SE keeps making decisions like this, with very little consideration for the community. So yes, we can blame the sharp decline of downvotes on this (and all the other recent changes) — Jesse 15 secs ago
 
12:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@treyBake No, there is no notification. By my calculation, you gained 450 rep. — DavidG 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by creativecreatorormaybenot
I had exactly the same question because my reputation history is completely skewed now.. — creativecreatorormaybenot just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by treyBake
@DavidG ooo nifty tool :p ty :) — treyBake 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
If it's SEO I'd suggest webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/seo but check their guidelines FIRST. — Paulie_D 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Unihedron
@Stargateur Haha, as if construction answers will do anything here. Many people have already posted great suggestions and feedback here, which is a waste of time considering the nature of this thread and how glaringly obvious the Network doesn't care about any of it. — Unihedron 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Unihedron
I'm not interested in rep, I'm merely backing the "This attitude is the thing that should really be changed!" sentiment. Passive-aggressively calling out on a moderator who would otherwise will be and have been representing and acting in the interests of your own community is pretty insincere, even if justified. There are other ways to go about it, like accounting for it in far more appropriate ways than rambling about it in a one-sided announcement main post. That's, of course, my own opinion based on what I've seen, I'm not here to teach you what to do (and obviously no such authority). — Unihedron 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Unihedron
Take your free rep and like it! If you don't get any free rep, too bad. — Unihedron 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Unihedron
Someone else might correct me on this, but the rep recalculation still takes into account the 200 rep cap daily. So if someone earned 30 upvotes on questions in a day, instead of 150 rep they get 200 (hitting cap). Most old questions with votes coming at a rate that never approached cap would likely be near a flat double. — Unihedron 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by simonalexander2005
@meJustAndrew That would only be true if the amount you need to have to get the privileges also increased proportionally — simonalexander2005 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Unihedron
This graph makes sense because a lot of questions have been asked before. Instead of answering them, they are closed as duplicates, where most of the time OP still gets their solution even not through an answer. — Unihedron 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by treyBake
@Unihedron ahh that is slightly better than! Still .. scary if the latter applies more so than not — treyBake 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lightness Races with Monica
@mario "The rationale behind this change seems a bit shallow." That's because it is. You-know-who read a journal paper accusing SO of being sexist because women post more questions than answers yet questions earn less rep. So, this. All other factors (including the site's very reason for being) be damned. (Of course this has been kept secret using permanent post redactions and has not been uttered by anybody on the staff since. They won't even own up to their own thought processes any more...) — Lightness Races with Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
You deleted all your Stack Overflow accounts, but the one for Stack Overflow hasn't been deleted yet? So none has been deleted? — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meJustAndrew
I don't remember seeing a thread with so many downvotes... — meJustAndrew 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meJustAndrew
I don't say it lost its value from a functional point of view, as usage on the site (even though I believe that should be done as well, if we will keep on having this change) but from a psychological point of view. When I was looking to a higher rep user, I was having some sort of intuition of his contribution. Now that changed a bit. — meJustAndrew 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam
I just got 1-2k points more, I hope they won't remove them retroactively — Adam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lamak
@meJustAndrew you must have missed some recent events — Lamak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@meJustAndrew usually people feel pressured into deleting a question when it starts to drop too low, I don't expect Cody Gray to be influenced by that ;) — Gimby 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
The problem I see is not people getting access to tools they're not ready for (that might also be a problem, but I'd consider it secondary at best), but that the number of help vampires and the amount of homework questions wil increase even more. This is a downward spiral that (at least in my experience) leads to knowledgeable people losing interest and leaving, which in turn leads to overall decreased quality of the content, which in turn leads to less people coming to the site. I've seen this happen in other communities before. — Ansgar Wiechers 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sumurai8
Do you expect 50 of such people driving by on one question? One such person casting 50 votes on 50 questions? Trash questions rarely get a score above 0 and on average should still get a negative score, which means someone needs to post at least 63 questions to get 500 rep with 0-score on all of their questions. I hope that the system would severely limit that person at that point. If it doesn't, the 167 questions someone needed to ask before is not going to change anything either. Both amounts are huge, even if you just put your homework here. — Sumurai8 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@meJustAndrew I wonder if you have been living under a rock for the last few months! For example. Even worse if you check meta.se... — DavidG 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fabian R&#246;ling
Oh, come on now! A featured blog post, a featured meta post, a banner and now even a mail? I have noticed the change, can you please stop? — Fabian Röling 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MikeS159
While I agree with a lot of the sentiment in this post, I've always taken issue with the last bullet point style of thinking. Up voting on 'me too' questions. While it is somewhat possible to objectively decided if a question is good or not, really that comes from consensus. — MikeS159 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meJustAndrew
@DavidG Indeed, I am not so active on meta usually... — meJustAndrew 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
This entire rant only makes sense if you take as a given that votes on questions are so easy to acquire as to be meaningless, and if that's the case, the system was already broken anyway, because it already rewarded those questions. If upvotes on questions have become "a measure of the traffic we build" that's already a big problem, regardless of how they interact with reputation, because they're fundamental to the design of the site. — IMSoP 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
@AnsgarWiechers Then we need to address that problem. The alternative is to remove voting from questions altogether, not to leave it there but divorce it from the reputation system. — IMSoP 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
If votes on questions are meaningful at all, then asking questions that receive positive votes does require the same familiarity with the site as writing answers that receive positive votes. If votes on questions are not meaningful, then that is a problem with the voting system, not the reputation system. — IMSoP 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IMSoP
It sounds like the problem here is "these questions do get upvotes from people". That needs fixing regardless of what is done to reputation, because scores are also used for other purposes. — IMSoP 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pureferret
Do you have a source for "So many times, someone will see a question with a negative score and give them a "pity vote"." ? — Pureferret 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brad Larson
It's been a few years, but I think this was my general thought process. The answers were flagged as "not an answer", and I believe that I interpreted them as a continued evolution of the question. That's why I converted them into edits in sequence. If people believe these could live as standalone answers, I'd be glad to roll back the edits and undelete the answers. Don't know if the next step would be to combine those into one large answer. — Brad Larson ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
@Paulie_D I don't think that's the right site, since ASO is not a task webmasters do. ASO is not directly related to websites. I don't have a better suggestion, though, I think no SE sites fit. — Erik A 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meJustAndrew
And now that I've read a bit from both, I understand why people are saying that SO may be going to end and why the name Sara is mentioned in some of the comments here. I am curious where this is heading, but it's such a shame that this is happening after all of the content that people built around here and the hard work of the community. — meJustAndrew 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scott Hannen
@CodyGray - "I still fundamentally believe that the community has a voice" What does "has a voice" mean? How is it different from not having a voice? — Scott Hannen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by scopchanov
Good answers are more valuable than good questions. Do you know what "cause and effect" means? — scopchanov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
I can only speak to the tags I mainly work in, more specifically ms-word: There are lots of unanswered questions, mainly because poor questions are not getting enough close/delete votes to remove them from the site. Also, there are so few people answering in the tag that it's unusual for there to be more than one reply. Side note: even when an answer is posted it's often not marked as "the" answer, commented on by the OP or even up-voted. — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CodyGray "questions are as necessary as answers" Yes, but I would say that we don't have a shortage of questions really, a shortage of answers is more likely. — Trilarion 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@FabianRöling Given the tens of duplicate "Why has my rep changed over-night" questions that have been posted to meta in the past few hours (and since deleted by their OP) it appears it's still not "in your face" enough for many... — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@MikeS159 Question is do the "How to format string in Java" type of questions deserve as much reputation as they have gained. Yes, you can more easily find answer to such questions here than in official documentation and answers on SO are often more detailed and better than documentation. But you reward answers to such questions, not the no-effort two line question. — Dalija Prasnikar 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
What is that graph? What time period does it represent? There’s a bunch of randomly ordered months along the x-axis, no years. That makes it totally useless. Also, please include the source. — Cris Luengo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@scopchanov "Do you know what "cause and effect" means?" Yes. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Denys S&#233;guret
@IMSoP Do you refer to my answer ? Then you read something that wasn't here at all. I never pretended that "votes on questions are so easy to acquire as to be meaningless". — Denys Séguret 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matthew
Hopefully, this will become an option for private teams, seems odd to force this through without giving such an option for situations such as the only you're describing. Can you contact SO to request it? — Matthew 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
They have clearly stated that they will recompute scores. That means scores will appear as if an upvote has always been 10 points. Yes, some people have hit the rep cap more frequently now, and might be awarded badges for that. — Cris Luengo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CrisLuengo This graph looks like the result of the SEDE query. If you search on SEDE for terms like "questions and answers per week" you probably will find a query producing such a graph. The x-axis roughly spans 10 years and the regular dips in the graph are the christmas/new years. Totally useless may be a bit exaggerated. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
@Trilarion: thanks for the clarification. I’m glad you recognize it, and know how to interpret it. But the graph is totally useless to those that don’t. It is useless because it can’t be read, there is no indication of what the data means. — Cris Luengo 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user7294900
@CrisLuengo badges for previous days (e.g. over 200 yesterday) or only the day of the change? — user7294900 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Denys S&#233;guret
@IMSoP Do you refer to my answer ? Then you read something that wasn't here at all. I never pretended that "votes on questions are so easy to acquire as to be meaningless". Votes on question aren't easy to acquire at all. But they provide little relevance to the question of technical reputation, and shouldn't have to. And yes I've already asserted that questions should not have any impact on reputation (also in order to make it less painful to have her/his question closed or badly received, especially for newcomers, and to make them focus on the problem of getting an answer, not reputation) — Denys Séguret 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
Badges for days when the rep increase was at the limit. The rep is counted as if the vote were worth 10 rep when it was cast. You have made lots of questions. Do you see a big pile of rep you gained yesterday when the change was made? No. The rep was rewarded when the vote was cast. They have changed the past. — Cris Luengo 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@CrisLuengo I found a similar graph (by month) with better axis labels data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/59302/…Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
@Trilarion: Thank you, that graph is a lot clearer. — Cris Luengo 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cris Luengo
I get way more upvotes on easy answers to stupid questions than on detailed answers to hard questions. The more work I need to put into an answer, the more knowledge it displays, the less reputation I will gain from it. — Cris Luengo 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
I see this too and the effect now will be that bad question getting upvotes is an even more attractive thing. Just pose your bad question because it will generate rep anyway. We may think this move increases the signal, but instead it may just increase noise. — Trilarion 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dfd
"...high-quality questions are just as valuable as high-quality answers...". Yes, but low-quality questions are more valuable than low-quality answers unless you lower the person's rep on down-votes. In fact, one could argue that overall, questions are more valuable than answers with this change. And to think, I've been coming here all these years for answers, not questions. — dfd just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tanner
@wim pretty sure based off your comment and taking a look at his reputation history, that Tim is now getting downvotes — Tanner 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dfd
I wish I could upvote this ten more times. — dfd 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LittleBobbyTables
Reputation unlocks moderation powers - reputation gained through knowledge means moderation will be done by more knowledgeable people and that reduces potential errors. There's already enough bad reviewers in each of the queues, and the people who just blindly upvote every single question (I'm talking people with 10K upvotes and no downvotes) are just going to accelerate that influx. I for one welcome our new participation-trophy overlords. — LittleBobbyTables 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scott Hannen
@CodyGray If there was a "Jumped on the Grenade" badge you should get one. — Scott Hannen 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Varin
@CodyGray Why asking questions should mean earning privileges? Let's say I decide to spend an hour answering questions. It will be hard work, I will have to be quick, have the knowledge, often do some research, etc. I can now spend that same hour asking questions, I can ask many more questions than I can answer. In extreme scenarios, I could just figuratively throw shit on the wall hoping that some of it will stick, and if it will, I will eventually get moderating privileges. This makes very little sense. Again, it seems like VIEWS > MERIT, as this earns SO money. — Varin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 404
Were the downvotes received during or after your several edits? Just wondering if someone downvoted it because they thought it duplicated one of the other answers in that question, before it was expanded upon further? — 404 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Your SO rep suddenly jumped up by ~730 points. You were not close to any new badges or privileges and there's no notification for the increase beyond the blog post. So that's all. — Hans Passant 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LegendofPedro
@404 Oh, that's a good question actually. I didn't notice any at the time, but I was focused on my 'agile' development of the answer. Am I right in thinking rep loss doesn't show up in the top right corner? — LegendofPedro 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by LegendofPedro
Also, I didn't see any other answers, they are all within a few minutes, and I don't see what makes the not-downvoted answer better than any other? — LegendofPedro 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lightness Races with Monica
Damn, this is actually kinda sad. — Lightness Races with Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by toolic
FWIW, the question and all 4 answers have downvotes. Sometimes you just can't win with questions which people think are bad. — toolic 40 secs ago
 

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