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12:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
By requiring every user to follow the code of conduct the company has guaranteed to protect every user. Since they allow moderators to hide misconduct, the company is subject to be sued. That’s what’s going to happen should the moderators involved keep their status — chris p bacon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
Folks, we get it, the OP came in guns blazing and used some rather loaded language. Nevertheless, they do have a genuine grievance so please (up/down) vote as you please but don't close it. — Script47 58 secs ago
 
12:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Well, this is pretty ridiculous. If anyone needed a good example of why we need to have phrases like "bring your sense of humor" and "assume good faith" in the Code of Conduct, this is one. It is somewhat ironic that you seem to be unable to take a good-natured ribbing in stride, considering the types of comments you yourself have left here on Meta. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
1:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I don't know the poster's prior history, but if Martijn knew that he was "poking a bear", it probably wasn't a wise thing to do — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
 
1:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@Hover No, I didn't mean to suggest that. It wasn't an accusation that Crispy Bacon is a troll or anything. Just that he seemed like a reasonable guy who would react reasonably to some good-natured ribbing, since he's dished out the same. There was never any indication to Martijn or anyone else that he had a disability related to his math skills. This was just a joke--arguably one that didn't land so well--but a joke nevertheless. It makes sense to delete the comment, but calling it "harassment, bigotry, or abuse" is a major stretch to me. Those are serious accusations. — Cody Gray ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@CodyGray: I don't disagree. It was unfriendly, but only if taken that way, and it was. And now it has been discussed to death and beyond — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 59 secs ago
 
2:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
This bug seems to be appearing again. — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
Incidentally, if you know you struggle with division, why not just use a calculator? You presumably have one in whatever device you're using to access SO I'm the first place. — EJoshuaS 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@halter If the commenter was obviously mocking people with disabilities, I'd say that it could be flagged as bigotry for attacking a group of people, but I see no evidence that that's what happened. It's unclear whether the OP even has a disability in the first place, and even if they did it's not clear that the commenter would have any way to know that. — EJoshuaS 29 secs ago
 
2:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fectin
@HereticMonkey …which just says that it is owned by the Stack Overflow corporation, and gives a short history. That’s why I asked. — fectin 47 secs ago
 
3:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Frankly, casting being "bad at math" as a disability is the offensive part. I'm terrible at math. Seriously: without a calculator and/or my fingers, I can barely add and subtract, much less multiply or divide. For a while, it was a joke at work: "don't let the programmer do math". It wasn't offensive or insult because being bad at math is not a disability (not to mention the fact that it was all meant in jest). To portray being "bad at math" as a disability is incredibly insensitive to people who have actual disabilities, as it trivializes the entire notion of a disability. — Cody Gray ♦ 36 secs ago
 
3:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris neilsen
Did you read the OPs self answer? "Answer - I simply forgot to return the value at the end of the equation. Doh" so close as typo is correct — chris neilsen 9 secs ago
 
4:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BobRodes
@chrisneilsen Of course I read it. Since we're being sarcastic with one another, did you read my question? — BobRodes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BobRodes
David, I don't see that forgetting to return a value is a "typo." Silly mistake, maybe, but syntactically correct. Any newbie might not realize that he has to return a value, and the fact that this newbie figured it out doesn't seem relevant to me. — BobRodes 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BobRodes
Of course I read it. Why is it relevant? What if the OP didn't even realize that he was supposed to return the value? How does that square with the definition of typo exactly? — BobRodes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blastfurnace
That canned close reason isn't strictly about typos. It includes the text "this one was resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers". Without enough code to reproduce the problem it's asking us to perform psychic debugging. That's not a useful question. — Blastfurnace 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Don't focus on the "typo" aspect. The litmus test is, will the answer to this question help someone else in the future? ("While similar questions may be on-topic here, this one was resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers.") In this case, I think the answer is clearly no. Rubber ducky got the job done, the newbie has his answer. Is there a benefit to the larger community, to our mission of building a database of high-quality Q&A covering programming topics? I don't see one. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BobRodes
@CodyGray All right, that makes sense. Thanks! — BobRodes 1 min ago
 
4:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chx
No, the code was shown you can't show code that is not there, the correct, on topic and helpful answer was given and yet the question closed. This is a disease on StackOverflow, it frustates me to no end. It's reproducible, and not a typo. No, people just don't want to helpful to a newbie, that simple. StackOverflow is newbie hostile can't you see? Who would've lost what to keep this open? — chx 1 min ago
 
4:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@CodyGray My point exactly - I'm fact, that was the main reason I downvoted the question. I was actually tempted to flag the OP's post as rude/abusive for being insulting to people with actual disabilities. — EJoshuaS 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@CodyGray My point exactly. — EJoshuaS 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
Also, the irony here is this post is itself insulting to people who have actual disabilities. — EJoshuaS 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Cousineau
@chx it means effectively "too trivial to be useful". there are lots of beginner mistakes, like missing parentheses, missing semicolons, missing return statements, and so on, that are not really useful to document, because they are already widely documented. it indicates a failure to research the problem. it sounds harsh but learning to figure this kind of thing out on your own is an important skill to learn. — Dave Cousineau 1 min ago
 
5:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
Sorry all, my activity has been sporadic and that might be the cause of all your issues. I shall leave a browser tab on the site 24/7 until the problem self-corrects. Apologies once again for the inconvenience. (This is tongue-in-cheek, in case it was too convincing.) — BoltClock ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
There is, in fact, a learning disability that specifically affects mathematical skill, known as dyscalculia. However it's not at all clear if the author is dyscalculic or just really bad at math. And as Cody said it would be offensive to dyscalculics and other disabled people for the asker to categorize simply being bad at math as a disability. — BoltClock ♦ 1 min ago
 
6:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thebjorn
Are we really saying that people need to prove their disabilities now, and/or that disabilities that we don't know about or we don't believe are real disabilities shouldn't count? Do users need to list their disabilities on their profile pages too? -- or perhaps these are personal issues and we should presume good faith (and "dissing" on behavior that can be caused by a disability should be off limits). — thebjorn 1 min ago
 
6:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@chrispbacon I think you'll find yourself disappointed if you try to sue SE over a perceived CoC breach, especially this one. That is if you can even find a lawyer willing to touch that case. — ivarni 1 min ago
 
7:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@Cody Gray: I thought ".NET Fx" was a common abbreviation for the .NET Framework, but then I realized it's mostly used internally and not by developers. That's my fault. Also, thanks; though I still consider myself inactive until at least when I'm ready to publish my statement. — BoltClock ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I had not realized this had even changed. I mean, isn't .NET Core still the .NET Framework, just a different implementation? Maybe not. I haven't touched .NET in several years. I have certainly never heard of ".NET Fx". Your reluctance to push buttons with unknown consequences is admirable. I don't know if I would have the same self-control. Glad to see you back 'round these parts, even if the circumstances don't merit such talent. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
No, we should assume good faith, and therefore suppose that a comment jesting about someone's poor math ability was not intended to "harass" or "abuse" someone with a disability. @thebjorn — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Hmm. Are you now part of the internal team? Also, didn't know a statement was forthcoming. So much that I haven't caught up on! — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@Cody Gray: No, but it shows up in the filesystem, in logs and stuff. See also: stackoverflow.com/questions/2746899/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/51624873/… Yeah, I decided it was on me to say something after Robert Harvey became the first SO mod to step down. I might be taking up more responsibility over the community's well-being than I really need to, but I can't in good conscience stay silent. — BoltClock ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Her Majesty Queen of ARC
Who voted to close... Seriously, don't you have other things to do? — Her Majesty Queen of ARC 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thebjorn
@CodyGray that is arguing from privilege. Joking about disabilities, gender non-comformity, and many other categories is just fun/harmless to the people who don't need to consider such things. Clearly offense was taken, and the reason was stated as a disability effecting math abilities. Why is that not enough? No, of course I don't believe that Martijn intended any ill effects, nor do I believe any sanction besides removing the comment is needed..., but post-facto statements of intention doesn't matter as long as offense was taken - at least not according to my reading of the CofC. — thebjorn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
So...if I find your comment offensive, should you be compelled to remove it? It's an infinite regress: where does it end? Common sense has to come into play. Also, see comments above: this wasn't a joke about disabilities. This was a joke about poor math skills. Poor math skills are not a disability, and trying to frame them as such is trivializing to people with actual disabilities, so I'm not going to entertain that notion for even one second. I already put myself on record as someone who needs to "worry" about my math [in]abilities. The Code of Conduct is not intended to be used as a weapon — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@chrispbacon - I should be grateful if you would actually read my post, and perhaps respond to the substance of it. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@chrispbacon - I should be grateful if you would actually read my post, and perhaps respond to the substance of it. — halfer 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
@codygray if it were a normal user who did the ‘joke’ you were right. But then, if I found it offending, I could flag it and it would be deleted. (Maybe the flag would have been declined, the comment would have been deleted though). But this is a complete different story here. There are moderators teaming up against a user; not deleting that comment when handling the flag was what caused this post. If people start to abuse their power, something has to be done. — chris p bacon 1 min ago
 
8:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@chrispbacon: have you sent an email to the community team? That is the responsible way to escalate a situation, so that it is handled by the company. — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
@chrispbacon why are you jumping straight to assuming bad faith? Everybody has a bad day, and most of us have said things we wouldn't repeat at one point or another. You're blowing this astronomically out of proportion — Magisch 55 secs ago
 
8:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jean-François Fabre
@SagarV and it was not so long ago. I didn't want to single out Wiktor in my answer but "vigilant user" was written with him in mind. — Jean-François Fabre ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr Lister
Ooh, how the times have changed. — Mr Lister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe the transgirl
The app has been abandoned for a long, long time — Zoe the transgirl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@BoltClock Ack! thud (That needs explaining: the suspense just killed me) — Gimby 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
@halfer I did everything I could to deescalate. I found the comment offending, as it was completely written "from above". So what I did was flagging the comment and I commented (mentioning the mod) that I did so and that I will complain. On the other hand, the moderation team did everything they could to further escalate: Declining the comment without a message, and instead of deleting the offending comment, they deleted mine. If you want to be treated that way by mods that's ok - I'm not okay with authorities that believe to be above the rules. — chris p bacon 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
@chx, what you call a newbie precisely? Is this a guy who can type already or not yet? Point is - there is absurd amount of mistakes one could possible do. Certain mistakes (when repeteadly asked) make sense to keep, but majority are just a noise and unlikely to be useful to future visitors. Closing question is purely cosmetic, OP knows what he did wrong. See timeline), first post review - passed, then OP self-answer, then post vote-closed/downvoted. Where do you see hostility? — Sinatr 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Didn't you decide to step down from using any moderation tools? Flags are a moderation tool... — Cerbrus 2 mins ago
 
9:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
@cerbrus only on the main site... — chris p bacon 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@chrispbacon: wasn't that comment on the main site then? There's some context missing... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@chrispbacon: so what you are saying is that you haven't taken the next step in escalation, which is to contact the community team. That is what you should have done next. Would you do that now? — halfer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sagar V
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yup. He earned 100K+ in 2018-2019 — Sagar V 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
I’m pretty sure the post has done what it should and has caught enough attention @halfer. — chris p bacon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chris p bacon
@cerbrus another mod decided to make the comments less visible, you can find context in the chat. It was a comment on meta. — chris p bacon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@Gimby: I'm not going anywhere, but I do feel like I need to say something about what's been happening. — BoltClock ♦ 2 mins ago
 
10:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
If you edited it it should go into the reopen queue. Alternatively you could include a link to your question in this very question and then users either provide more guidance and advice or help with re-opening. You can provide the link in an edit of this question. — rene 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
835 lines of CSS is still too much - please trim it down to a [MCVE] — CertainPerformance 46 secs ago
 
10:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thanosdidnothingwrong
Sorry, I trimmed it down — thanosdidnothingwrong 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
As pointed out in the comments, your question seems to hinge on a typo (color instead of Color). Typo questions are off-topic by default, so won't get reopened. There's not much you can do about that. — Erik A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thanosdidnothingwrong
but it's not working with color either — thanosdidnothingwrong 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
The thing is this is not a post about a moderator coming back. It's a post about a regular user, who used to be a mod, coming back after taking a break from SE. It's simply not as noteworthy as a mod resigning because the latter has a direct impact on SO which I'm struggling to see here. So your point about consistency is moot because the importance of the announcement is entirely different. If Yvette was reinstated as a mod, then it would be as noteworthy as the resignations, and worth of an announcement. So while I personally didn't closevote, I can see the reasons for doing so. — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
So edit your question to explain that too. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Reinstate Monica
@l4mpi, any moderator coming back isn't a moderator at time of writing, but will likely be reinstated, just like the moderators who handed in their diamonds, and subsequently got them back. This situation is no different. — Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thanosdidnothingwrong
Ah right ofcourse, thank you — thanosdidnothingwrong 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
In lieu of inaction, I've replaced it with a real unisex name. — Sébastien Renauld 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Neely
@CodyGray .net framework is the old windows only codebase at v4.8. .net core is MS's new opensource implementation of .net (vs Mono which is a much older foss .net runtime/library). Prior to needing to make a few changes to MSIL and the JIT the plan was for .net standard to be a compatibility target for supporting both .net framework and .net core; but the decision not to release a new version of .net framework has meant that .net standard 2 is the last version back compatible to .net framework. If you think they've made a confusing mess, as someone who still does .net full time I agree. — Dan Neely 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@ReinstateMonica but the OP post does not contain any indication that Yvette asked to be reinstated as a mod (as opposed to participating as a normal user), and the comments above are not clear on this either. It could also be read as "I'll be participating on the site again", which is not noteworthy. If she asked to be reinstated, this should be prominently featured in the post, and then I would agree it is noteworthy. (As an aside, the post is 4 days old now, if she asked to be reinstated I would expect SE to have done that already as they are pretty mod-starved ATM). — l4mpi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
"Is there a way to see deleted questions so I can work to revive the good ones by moving them to an appropriate place?" These were already reviewed by at least three 10k+ users. The idea is that these users were trusted enough to make the call. Most often these kind of very posts are old tool recommendation link collections, that are neither on-topic or up to date. Might take someone with domain expertise to make the call. But it isn't meaningful to discuss this without a specific post in mind. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@MichaelPotter stackoverflow.com/questions/4321207/… is an excellent example of a post that should be deleted unless it is a special case and actively maintained, preferably community wiki etc. I don't see any special reason to keep that post though, this stuff should be in itext tag wiki and not in some Q&A that keeps getting outdated. — Lundin 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@thebjorn lemme use the example I always use when the 'someone got offended, isn't thatenough"?' line gets thrown out:I lost my dad at a young age after a super tough battle with diseases. I fought with him, it broke my family asunder. I can't see 'dad' without ever thinking back to that and feeling hurt. Am I allowed to go ensure no one ever posts anything 'fatherly' related on the internet? No. It's not a matter of proving anything. Someone did a joke because someone messed up a basic math equation. Is all. Why look for freaking witch hunts everywhere, and when there's none, start one? — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sébastien Renauld
@MarkAmery Yeah, fixed it. Native english speakers suggested a much better, actually unisex, name. — Sébastien Renauld 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
Can we please stop this editing nonsense already? Why does it matter that this story has a female, male, unisex or whatever name? Does it change any aspect of the story? — CodeCaster 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@SébastienRenauld For what it's worth, while I've heard of Bob being short for Roberta (making it technically a unisex name, albeit one that definitely makes the reader imagine a man by default), I've never heard of Laurence being anything but a man's name. Amusingly, Wikipedia tells me it's a masculine or feminine name whose meaning is... uh... "man from Laurentum". — Mark Amery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sinatr
The rules evolved over time, but such questions are too valiable (traffic-wise) to be simply removed. You have to follow current rules, so no - you can't ask same broad questions. — Sinatr 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
I would also say that a question like What's this concept is not off-topic by default. It might attract a lot of downvotes due to poor research, or get closed as too broad if it's a broad concept, but if it hasn't been asked before, is a narrowly-defined concept and you can't easily get the definition and use by doing research, asking about it might lead to a well-received question. — Erik A 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@CodeCaster If nothing else, the edit war - starting with an accusation that using a female name made the post sexist, that Shog was ultimately only able to defuse by using of a male name, as if that's somehow less sexist - is a perfect illustration of precisely what this question complains about: petty, conflict-causing demands whose enforcers feel no need to obey them themselves. — Mark Amery 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Moon
Currently If I have difficulty to find proper meaning of some new technical word then should I ask like 'what is this concept about' to get more clearity ? — Moon 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@Mark yeah, so people acting butthurt (all sexes and genders still have a butt, so I can say that, right?) because they want to be butthurt about something. Right? — CodeCaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
@Moon perhaps you could ask here about the specific question you want to ask, rather than generalities? — jonrsharpe 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KarelG
@SébastienRenauld did you just do a what-the-fuck-edit twice? Gotcha use Name instead. Right? — KarelG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
...It's hard, sometimes, to insist on dragging the full information out of the OP and voting to close as "default". But wehn we don't, this is all too often what happens <sigh> — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
You've deleted your answer. If you had not, it would be against site guidelines to change the question in such a way as to invalidate and answer based on the original question. In that case, it would have been correct to ask the person to post a new question. With no (visible) answer, the OP is free to edit the question to any extent they wish. FWIW answering a question that does not contain complete information is a trap we all fall into, again and again... — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@CodeCaster: What cheeks are you talking about there? o.O — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S&#233;bastien Renauld
@KarelG Yeah, I got bitten by my background as a native french speaker. Throughout this entire debacle Shog's declaration that Bob is gender neutral has rubbed me the wrong way and, seeing as nobody wanted to actually correct that, I did. FWIW Alex is also a short for Alexandra. — Sébastien Renauld 1 min ago
 
12:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
This is not plagiarism but it is very similar to it. So a lot of the guidance how to deal with plagiarism also applies here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/160071/…Gimby 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Those were both questions posted in the answer box. Just vote to delete (both). — CertainPerformance 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
for the nex time: this existing meta post about the same topic suggests going ahead with the custom flag: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/375675/…Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian
@Gimby - No, it's not plagiarism, as it the same user! But I see that both are now gone - so, job done, I guess! — Adrian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian
@CertainPerformance Sure, vote to delete will get them gone - but is there a case here for some sort of flag (Spam, maybe?) so that the user gets noticed as a possible offender? — Adrian just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
@Adrian this is not spam, there's nothing being promoted. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
Two deleted, heavily downvoted posts will already contribute significantly to a possible future answer ban if he continues to treat SO like a forum; no further action is needed - just review as normal — CertainPerformance 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Also, both posts aren't the same, one contains the error this person has with their code. So they might have added another post by accident, because they either tried to edit and failed or didn't know editing is possible. Still flagable as NAA since both are questions, not answers, but nothing big to worry about. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
@Gimby: Double-posting is nowhere near on the same level as plagiarism just because they look the same. It actually looks like the user is unaware of the edit button. — BoltClock ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
It's kinda hard to be a repository of programming knowledge if some programming knowledge is off limits. None of us are able to say "That's too easy to be on Stack Overflow" because it's different for every person that visits the site. Personally I'm very happy that we don't have a "it's too easy" close reason. We know and trust our site and our vetting process for answers; but the rest of the internet has not yet adopted that method of operating. Ours is the best way that exists to figure out good knowledge from bad knowledge. we should capitalize on that, not shun it. — George Stocker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JJJ
@SébastienRenauld Isn't this a bit too close to the name of HMTK Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands? If you feel the need to edit it because it may insult the person in question you may want to consider that under Dutch lèse majesté laws doing so carries a punishment of up to five years imprisonment plus a fine. — JJJ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Moon
I appreciate SO. I have gained much knowledge & help from others too since my joining on SO so I don't have any intention to criticize anyone or SO's method but I have seen above kind of different kind of approach so I have asked question so please don't take it as negatively. May be many other new users also have same question. — Moon 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S&#233;bastien Renauld
@JJJ My original point was that changing the name to start with from Nancy to something else was asinine. If you dig far enough, there's always a negative connotation you can infer with any name, anywhere. — Sébastien Renauld 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by KarelG
You were taking these things too serious @SébastienRenauld ... — KarelG just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BoltClock
We now return to our regular Meta programming. — BoltClock ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by halfer
@user10762409: (self) post vandalism is not permitted here. — halfer 1 min ago
 
1:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Glorfindel
Hi Husnain Khan, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Glorfindel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@BoltClock Yes, that's why I specified "unless it's directly caused by some kind of underlying learning disability". It's entirely possible that the OP's math abilities are impacted by a learning disability, but that's by no means clear from the post or subsequent discussion. Merely being bad at math does not, by itself, prove that you have a disability any more than my poor piano skills proves that I have a "piano disability." — EJoshuaS 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@thebjorn Are we really saying that people need to prove their disabilities now, and/or that disabilities that we don't know about or we don't believe are real disabilities shouldn't count? Not the point at all. The point is that merely being bad at math doesn't prove that you have a disability any more than me being bad at basketball or piano proves that I have one. Not everyone has the same skillset; if we said that any skill deficit in any area was proof of a disability the term wouldn't have much meaning at all anymore, since it would allow literally everyone to claim a disability. — EJoshuaS 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@thebjorn The distinction is that I'm not claiming to have a disability based on, for example, my poor basketball or piano skills. On the other hand, the OP is claiming that their poor math skills means that they have a disability, and that they were being harassed based specifically on that disability. In that case, they do need to prove that they actually have a disability. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, there's literally no disability to harass them for. — EJoshuaS 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by legoscia
[ Boson ] New comment posted by legoscia
A note about "after answering we will delete the question from the portal" - that is likely to push you towards a question ban. It is expected that Stack Overflow questions be useful to others who have the same problem and find earlier questions and answers through a search engine, and deleting a question after it has been answered is contrary to this goal. — legoscia just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thebjorn
@Patrice I get your analogy, but I think it is a little bit flawed.. a better analogy would be if someone says something insensitive about "dad-issues" in a comment directly to you. Are you (or someone like you) allowed to be offended? What if they know about your background? — thebjorn 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thebjorn
@EJoshuaS your self proclaimed poor basketball or (and?) piano skills seem like a straw man, so I'm not going to comment on it, but when you say "In that case, they do need to prove that they actually have a disability.." I'm curious what such a proof would look like and who would be tasked with accepting or rejecting it...? — thebjorn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS
@thebjorn It's really not a straw-man. If the OP claims to have a learning disability that causes their poor math skills I'd likely take their word for it, but they don't - they claim that their poor math skills is itself a disability, which isn't true at all. Poor skills in some area is not, in and of itself, a disability (or even proof that you have one) - otherwise, everyone could claim to be disabled. — EJoshuaS 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
"I can't think why they'd do that" - Greed, money. — GrumpyCrouton 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by javadba
re: Not being noteworthy: Yvette has stated "Let them finish the reinstatement protocol". So she's apparently intending this. Also she is a v active part of this site and some of us do feel this is noteworthy. At the current time this answer has been equally upvoted as down. — javadba 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by javadba
Welcome back from here too. Not agreeing with the significant down-voting here: that is not the right message at this time. — javadba 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JP Silvashy
That comment was not harassment, how unfortunate that we have become hyper-sensitized... @chrispbacon you 100% honestly felt hurt by what they said? — JP Silvashy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel Pendergast
Seems like this company can't handle criticism from its user-base. Probably won't last much longer. — Daniel Pendergast 1 min ago
 
 
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3:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Datanovice
never gonna give you up never gonna let you down never gonna run around and hurt you. That's the main thing that came to my head when reading your bio. Best of luck mate. — Datanovice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
FYI, if you don't use a token you'll have a tiny quota depending on how active your site is. — Script47 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian
Most constructive comment this relative newcomer has seen, so far, in this passionate debate: "I would expect nothing less than putting a mod at the board of directors table similar to how some companies might have a union rep there."Adrian 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
 
4:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
FYI, taking a combative tone ("forgetfulness and neglectedness", "Seriously?") with the people empowered to affect change is unlikely to gain your request or suggestion followers. You may want to consider editing. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nathan Hughes
The implementation of this is obnoxious. I voted to close this question as a duplicate: stackoverflow.com/q/58478807/217324. the question got edited, throwing out my close vote and the votes of at least 2 other users, and now i'm not allowed to reinstate my vote. — Nathan Hughes 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CD001
"but now on stack I am very careful before posting" ... which, honestly, is what everyone should be doing anyway. I've only resorted to asking 5 questions in the last 8+ years because, frankly, almost everything I've never needed to find out (LAMP stack) has already been asked and answered. — CD001 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
#3 needs concrete actions, not just the lip service they've paid for the last 18 months. — fbueckert 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
There is no evidence, in the question, that you had read even that much. I was pointing you to the place where you could begin your own research to find the answer yourself... — Heretic Monkey 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roshana Pitigala
Yeah, 300 requests per day I think. — Roshana Pitigala 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dima
As I can see, this user said good things about topic. Perhaps his English is not quite good, but... Still don't understand, why it is so heavily downvoted. — Dima 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holdenweb
That's asking a lot of any mod. — holdenweb 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Brad Larson
Sorry I didn't write earlier, it's getting difficult to compose goodbye messages to so many people I respect. You engaged with chat in a way that few moderators had before, and that was both an incredible help and a great template for the rest of us. I learned a ton from our conversations and from the unique perspective you often contributed. I really enjoyed working together with you. As I've said for others, you did a lot of good here and can be proud of your time as moderator. — Brad Larson ♦ 8 secs ago
 
 
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5:28 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
"Stack Overflow Flair's design is becoming a bit old school." How, exactly? Just because it's been around a long time and has become recognizable? Or is there something about the design that you think looks out of date? — Cody Gray ♦ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@CodyGray "may yet cause me to be removed": I sincerely hope not! — Cindy Meister 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
Aaaand it's slow again in .uk at around 17:35 GMT. — Andrew Morton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Lots of misinformation in the comments here... First, moderators cannot include any sort of message to accompany a declined comment flag. The flag on Martijn's comment was declined because the comment was not "harassment, bigotry, or abuse". Your comment replying to Martijn was deleted by a different moderator than the one who handled your flag, and it was in response to a "no longer needed" flag on your comment by another user. So, no, there's no collusion between the moderator team to sweep anything under the rug or further escalate. Just different moderators handling different flags. — Cody Gray ♦ 53 secs ago
 
6:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Don&#39;t Panic
@GrumpyCrouton Public Q&A is the main reason anyone comes here, right? I don't see how turning that off would make them any money. — Don't Panic 38 secs ago
 
6:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@Don'tPanic Well it starts with greed, and thinking they could make more money by charging for their "high quality content", which I agree would probably fail - but that doesn't mean they wouldn't try it — GrumpyCrouton 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
For questions, VLQ is just a "I don't know what to do with this" flag. Questions flagged with VLQ go into the Triage review queue where other users are asked to do any of vote/flag for closure ("Unsalvageable"), indicate that it needs editing ("Requires Editing"), or is OK ("Looks OK"). Selecting "Unsalvageable" results in the question going to the Close Vote queue, due to close votes/flags. A "Requires Editing" result puts it in the Help and Improvement queue. So, it's better to just vote to close or directly edit. — Makyen 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
It should be noted that while 10K users can see deleted posts, we can't find them (most of them anyways). If we have a link we can access them, but there is no way to just do look through all of the deleted posts. — NathanOliver 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@giusti 8 days this time, up from 4 days when you were last automatically banned by the system on September 20th. So, the ban clears tomorrow. You really should be able to see this information. What happens when you visit stackoverflow.com/review? — Cody Gray ♦ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by giusti
@CodyGray How long did you set the ban? — giusti 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
Caching on your side would help that. — DavidG 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@CodyGray It does look pretty dated to be fair. — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Don&#39;t Panic
@GrumpyCrouton Sure, I suppose it's possible. As far as my trust in SO that Trilarion mentioned, it really isn't something I've thought about much, but I do trust them to not do that. Actually I guess it isn't exactly trust, but more like assuming that they'll know it's not in their best interests. — Don't Panic 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GrumpyCrouton
@Don'tPanic Yeah, it's definitely all just speculation. As for them knowing it's not in their best interests, they don't seem to have a very good track record of really caring about that and/or know what their best interests even are. But really we don't know their vision or what they want for the future of the site at all. — GrumpyCrouton 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm not seeing it. What would you change, @DavidG? More lens flair? — Cody Gray ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user9370262
How to place a question now ? because in some of the blogs the code i refereed seems to be incorrect. Now where to put my question as Old questions are not addressed and new one will not be allowed :-) — user9370262 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Siegfried.V
@CD001 yes I understand that, what I mean is sometimes, the question is different. As beginner we don't understand that in fact, it is the same issue as another one. Many times people here for years forgot what it means to be a beginner, and just say them "look there". Sometimes the given link is quite explicite enough, but sometimes it is or a link to a similar(but not same) issue, or to something that is not related to the question at all. Just seems to me that sometimes people here since many years forget what means to be a beginner. Didn't have this feeling when I started on stack. — Siegfried.V 5 secs ago
 
7:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HFBrowning
Oh man, CompuServe and newsgroups :) my dad was an assembly and C programmer in the 80s and 90s and I grew up with him waxing poetic about those services. Also, this is a really great answer. — HFBrowning 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
You don't; you lost that privilege when you ignored the warnings you received on your previous questions. Depending on how deep you are, you have to wait out your ban. That could be a day or two, all the way up to six months, or somewhere in between. — fbueckert 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
This process only exists on Stack Overflow, so I'm going to move this to MSO. :D — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
FWIW, I saw the page (though I was visiting the Ask a question page for another reason than to ask a question) and I did not like the notion of reviewing my answer rather than directly posting it cc @JonEricson -- A second iteration would probably benefit from restricting it to folks who don't have a positive question record. Or something similar to the criteria I listed in my call for a question wizard, which I still think SO needs — TylerH 53 secs ago
 
8:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
A user can cast a close or open vote on their own posts. This has been the behavior for quite a while. If they were a diamond moderator, I believe the convention is for them not to moderate their own posts; if it's the case that someone has a gold badge and they want to reopen their question which was marked as a dupe, they could (and that might be but seldom is cause for suspicion). Otherwise, they'd need four other people to agree with them, and then the system would just work if four others don't. — Makoto 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
...yes, but the system would still work if two others didn't. Not seeing a problem. — Makoto 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@Makoto Won't the new changes make it so only two people need to agree with them? — opa 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Evan Carroll
Roses ain't violet, and blue ain't red. Poems like that make me wish I was dead. — Evan Carroll 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I'm not seeing that as a circumstance too far removed from if four people + OP reopened the question. If it turns into a game of ping-pong with teams of people closing and reopening, get a diamond moderator involved. Otherwise, it's likely not a hill worth dying on. — Makoto 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@Makoto I'm talking about if two others did and the OP voted to re-open. — opa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@Makoto in this case it appeared the diamond moderators were also engaging in open-closing/deleting/undeleting. — opa 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
That’s what diamond moderators do, @opa. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@RobertLongson I had assumed it was still in effect until some one mentioned it took 4 votes — opa 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
If you want to discuss 5 vs 3 votes you're better of doing so here rather than trying to change this question to encompass that too. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@RobertLongson yeah I knowopa 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
The question and its answers are well worth a read then regarding what actually happens when you require 3 votes instead of 5. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
At the end of every year Shog also tends to post a list of the top 100 questions or so that were deleted and had high scores/high views so the community can review their deletion. Still requires 10k reputation, though. — TylerH 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@CodyGray I was stating that Moderators were engaging in the same kind of battle that close war people did, not that one moderator made a unilateral decision to either open or close. — opa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
What ping pong question are you referring to? — Robert Longson 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by opa
@CodyGray I mean two different moderators having two different opinions on what should happen, and taking two contradicting actions. — opa 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I don’t understand what that means. Moderators don’t have to battle; all our votes are binding, so it always results in a unilateral open or close. We try to respect the community in exercising that power, and generally won’t override the community for Q&A on main, but Meta is a different place. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
We do seem to be getting somewhat away from the original question here though. Perhaps you'd be better off asking a new question about moderator individuality and question battles with reference to that specific question. They are allowed to be human and have opinions you know. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Potter
In addition to close and delete they need a "convert to wiki" button. I don't use this library anymore so its deletion does not affect me, but I will say the content on the question is good. — Michael Potter 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@CodyGray It doesn't even change as I scroll through the page. No parallax at all. — Heretic Monkey just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Heh... If I’m guessing correctly about the “controversial” question that you’re thinking of, it’s important to mention that there is a difference between Stack Overflow employees and community moderators. Both carry diamonds, but there may well be differences of opinion between them. Besides what Robert said about moderators being human and having different opinions. We do have a smoke-filled room where we can discuss confidential matters, but we don’t really use it as often as people might think. Far too many flags for that. We just each use our best judgment. — Cody Gray ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Also worth noting that folks only get one vote, so this is not an avenue towards a “war” or “ping-pong”. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
9:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Generally, if it helped you find the solution, you accept it. — JL2210 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@CodyGray I'd rather go with Michael Bay than JJ Abrams, so explosions. — DavidG 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by x15
Appears closed is the keyword here. Marked duplicates are closed, out of the search stream. So are ones on hold. Difference is hold requires a consensus of 5 votes. Where as duplicates are a one man show. — x15 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm seeing plenty of explosions on Stack Exchange these days. Michael Bay would be proud. — Cody Gray ♦ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by x15
Your answer is loaded with hints for a successful experience finding just the right algorithm for what you need. Regex inherently is not language dependent. It is an art that custom crafts a solution to search and manipulate text. Solutions cant be collected and used as a menu to order pies. It can't be pigeon holed and reused. I've looked at almost all of the regex solutions on StackOverflow submitted within the last 10 years. Every single one of them take the wrong approach. It's a game of ignorance. Wile you think your giving me advice, I assure you, you're not. — x15 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bartek Banachewicz
@CodyGray Oh great, now I know where I can put another downvote. — Bartek Banachewicz 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JBis
Because SE is stupid? — JBis 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It's an A/B test running through Mole Day (October 23rd), as explained in Shog9's answer to the linked duplicate. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Not a particularly insightful remark, @JBis. You know where to go if you want to make a reasoned argument against this test, but "stupid" isn't one. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bartek Banachewicz
The opt-out feature should be in a link directly in that message. Of all the recent changes to SO, this a strong contender for the most unnecessary one. — Bartek Banachewicz 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JBis
Ok its not that bad, "You can see the real up/down vote counts at any time by clicking the score while viewing a post - even if you haven't earned the Established User privilege." — JBis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TaylorS
@CodyGray I will admit this is a little strange, JBis isnt particularly wrong, they should notify its part of a test in the message itself if its for said test. — TaylorS 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
@TaylorS It seems that would defeat the purpose of the test. Clearly what's being tested is people's psychological reactions to scores, so telling them that the information is being fuzzed or otherwise manipulated is going to affect their perception to the extent that you cannot trust the results of the test (whatever they may be). — Cody Gray ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bartek Banachewicz
@JBis arguably that makes it even worse. The privilege was there specifically to only provide that information to the users that can make use of it. Now we're giving it to everyone to misunderstand, but making every experienced user's job harder. — Bartek Banachewicz 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TaylorS
thats a 1515 upvote and 115 favorites for you sir, I agree, SO needs to fix some things, this community really has died out in the social-moderation sense. I still havent had my question bans removed after a serial downvoting — TaylorS 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TaylorS
@CodyGray Fair enough, I guess sometimes I dont see the entire picture. — TaylorS 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Draco18s
Downvoting because I feel that hiding negative scores is bad and the notification message is bad and because there was no mention of a test being run before hand, and because I searched regular-meta for this topic first and it wasn't there, further indexing my confusion. I do not think the test is having the hoped-for result. — Draco18s 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I'm not saying that I think this test is a great idea or anything, but "you're stupid" is not exactly the level of professional discourse that we want to encourage here, besides the fact that it doesn't convey any actual information. Also, just throwing this link here to a question expressing similar concerns. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forresthopkinsa
You make a good point, and I think the results you suggest are exactly what @shog9 is trying to test the validity of — forresthopkinsa 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David R Tribble
@PaoloFulgoni - But I've seen far too much code with no comments. — David R Tribble 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JBis
@CodyGray You are not wrong. Just posted my first response without really thinking about it. But it seems to have gotten upvotes so I'll leave it, but you are right. — JBis 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Sad I have to post this again. For all the pedantic people trying to close this question, stop. — JL2210 31 secs ago
 
10:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Gagnon-Grenier
This has got to be a joke. I can't believe y'all are actually saying this was in any way an out of line comment!!! How, exactly, are we supposed to tell someone their math skills could use improvement if not through humor? — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0: (1 2 3) — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 

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