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12:16 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by peterh
@IMSoP There is no python4 on the roadmap, at least not for some decades. The lang devs have learnt the 2->3 lession. Somewhere I have read, they consider python4 as a joking example for a decade of needless sucks. — peterh 22 secs ago
 
12:42 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
The system considers them separate tags, so much so that search won't surface questions that only have the child tag. So from a system perspective I don't think that it's a bug. Even if the designed behaviour is not good and would be better if the system treated them as if they were the same tag for all intents and purposes. — Henry Ecker ♦ 58 secs ago
 
 
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2:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@HenryEcker I don't think that behavior is necessarily designed...at least the fact that search affirmatively replaces synonyms, but the backend only checks against the unreplaced tag, is certainly a bug. — Ryan M ♦ 58 secs ago
 
3:10 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
@RyanM I agree the fact that search doesn't work is a bug—not being able to use the search feature to find questions that you're looking for is a bug with search. However, its cause is that synonyms are treated as distinct tags. Searching for [a] only surfaces [a] because [a] <> [b] even if search will rewrite [b] -> [a]. My point is that I don't believe a gold-tag badge not applying to a child synonym is a bug because it is consistent with how synonyms are treated everywhere. [a] <> [b] so you can't use a tag badge for [a] to close a question with [b]. — Henry Ecker ♦ 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Again though, I think it would be better if [a] and [b] were treated as the same tag for everything including search and tag privileges. I'd even like to see them have a combined tag score so that both tags contributed to earning tag badges. But I don't have any indication that there is any connection between synonyms at a system level other than tag edit and search rewriting. — Henry Ecker ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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4:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by tripleee
@RyanM Should the unhyphenated version also be made a synonym? — tripleee 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Please don't post rants about how the site isn't living up to expectations as if they were answers. — Karl Knechtel 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
In the case of the specific question, it Needs More Focus: it's clearly a work order without any attempt at analyzing the underlying problem - it's not asking about the necessary technique, even if solving the problem happens to be (per the answers) as simple as applying that technique twice. However, I've opted to answer this meta post more generally. — Karl Knechtel 51 secs ago
 
 
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5:53 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Note: The tag would have been deleted automatically in a day as long as no one else added it to any question. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@tripleee I don't think there is a need for that given creating that now will be blocked due to similarity with the hyphenated one. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@KarlKnechtel Oh, but you are wrong. This IS a valid answer to "How should I, as a responsible user, deal with a situation like this as I strive to adhere to the SO policy when asking or answering questions?" Deal with it by accepting that even hi-rep users are rewarded for not adhering to an illusive "SO Policy". Thank you for your assessment... — Fe2O3 43 secs ago
 
6:10 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
Unfriendly? Yes. But not abusive. It isn't targeted at a known user. Weird just means out of the ordinary and unusual behavior and OP explained their reasoning for calling such behavior "weird" or unusual. Outside of Meta, no one believes just voting without commenting is rational and I don't think expressing such belief at a incognito voter is abusive by any stretch of standards. — TheMaster 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
"In this other question, one comment provided constructive disambiguation that could help the asker clarify their problem. All comments got deleted." <--- This statement is false. No comments on that question have been deleted. That question has no comments and never has had any comments. — Makyen ♦ 40 secs ago
 
6:29 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Asking if what happened was "fair" isn't going to be productive, and is likely to result in people responding negatively. You would likely get a much more positive response if you edited your question here to be about either how to improve your question and/or asserted that that your question was in a state where it could be reopened (explaining that the requirements for debugging questions listed in the close notice have been met) and asked that it be undeleted and reopened. — Makyen ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
When the question has been closed, it didn't contain any code. It was just linking to some external code. The closing seems correct to me. Your editing has improved the question, but it was auto deleted before it got enough reopen votes (although links to a known video site would be preferable to a file download from an unknown site). — BDL 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Your question was closed when it didn't have a minimal reproducible example (A link to GitHub doesn't count as one), you added code to the question later. I don't see anything unfair in that closure. Removing the solution from the question isn't a problem either, that has been the community consensus since a long time. The deletion was also an automatic one, I don't see anything unfair in this. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Of note is that while the question did enter the reopen queue, nobody submitted a review. I note, also, that while a moderator mentioned, in a comment on the question several days prior to the question being deleted, the option of you posting here on Meta Stack Overflow to ask for your question to be reopened, but that you did not do so. — Makyen ♦ 19 secs ago
 
6:55 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jojje
There is obviousy a "close the question" culture here on SO. Sometimes this is bkz the moderator does not understand or does not agree. — Jojje 18 secs ago
 
7:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
Unfriendly is a binary decision while there is probably a whole spectrum of more or less friendly or unfriendly comments out there. There will always be a gray zone. The important thing is that the comment got removed. That was the aim. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@user4581301 "it's because of responses like that that few people explain downvotes and are recommended to not explain." We don't know why people do not often explain downvotes. Could also be simply not wanting to spend time on that. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 30 secs ago
 
7:38 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
All of the points you've raised here have been discussed, in-depth, in answers on this question. To summarise: If AI answers are that good, users can just ask the AI, not SO. — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Later on, I edited again with a working solution to the problem" -> That certainly is unfair. The rules also apply to you, just like anyone else. You have no right to just ignore them as you please. — Gimby 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
I said in my answer So even if we don't use it as a complete tool, we can get help from it. But consider a few things. 1. This tool is new and getting better every day as it is now better than before. 2. The reason to oppose it is probably not only that the answers are wrong, but that it has affected the jobs and job market of programmers.But consider a few things. 1. This tool is new and getting better every day as it is now better than before. 2. The reason to oppose it is probably not only that the answers are wrong, but that it has affected the jobs and job market of programmers. — Paul Vek 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
3. This tool itself is created by programmers, although a created tool can create another tool if it is developed! 4. Your answer looks more like stubbornness. If it is a good tool, ask the same! This is wrong. No one said that AI has replaced programmers or that they are no longer needed or that AI answers are correct. I also said that artificial penis answers can be wrong or right. — Paul Vek 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
None of what you said even touches on why we should allow AI content for building a library of high quality knowledge. The only points you're trying to put forward are: 1. "but it might be right" and 2. "You're just feeling threatened" which not even discussing AI on SO properly. At best, your argument works if we were trying to build a help desk. Which we're not. — VLAZ 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
@DanMašek yes but that still makes saying "which of course breaks the whole of stack exchange" an unhealthy bit of projection. Not the best opener for a meta post. No most of it should operate just fine without images. — Gimby 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
That your question was handled the way it was and that you're getting these responses here doesn't mean we aren't sympathetic or that the handling of your question, after you added code to it, couldn't have been better. Unfortunately, the site has only so many volunteers who put in only so much time. While we strive to handle things as best we can, it's not always going to work out in the best possible manner. That also doesn't even start to get into the difference in goals between the site (good quality Q&A useful to future visitors) and most of the people asking questions (problem solved). — Makyen ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
1: We're not making rules for the future state of AI. These rules are for the current state. 2: No. SO was getting absolutely flooded with AI-generated low-quality content. Answers that looked good but were widely inaccurate. 3: Irrelevant. 4: No, you just completely seem to misunderstand why this AI ban is in place. — Cerbrus 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
Ok, I'm the only one who didn't understand who the user SO ? Do you have a link for me to see? — Paul Vek 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
1. The creation of content is not of your authorship, AI-generated content is based on content extracted from the internet that may or may not be in disagreement with the platform's content licensing model. 2. The nature of LLM tools does not include meeting minimum quality requirements required here on the platform, the only requirement that tools must meet is to respond to the prompt, regardless of accuracy or factuality, it must only respond and appear convincing. — Augusto Vasques 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
You are free to do whatever you want, and you are also free to code in the way that suits you best. What is being said here is that please do not use AI-generated content to simulate the authorial creation of content for the platform, because: — Augusto Vasques 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Sorry, I don't quite understand your last comment @PaulVek... "who the user SO"? What should I link to? — Cerbrus just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"So why are they apparently not happy to give us, even an 'almost' clean slate" - bans are not a punishment, they are a measure to protect the knowledge base from further damage. Measures as serious as that are not revoked on a whim. — Gimby 12 secs ago
 
8:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@TheMaster It is abusive per application of the Abusive behavior policy. It would be bullying and harassment should it continue with follow-up comments. Hostile comments in any case, check. Denigration is also present. Moreover, your second statement is highly contestable. Where exactly is that decent and unbiased voting system where people are forced to comment alongside their vote? — E_net4 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by helvete
I searched for questions regarding this bug but at no avail. Thanks for the hint! — helvete 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ache
You focus too much on legalese and overlook the rule's spirit: to share useful questions and contributions. That closed question was a clear example, well-documented and valid. Your failure to review it properly shouldn't be held against users. Comments were deleted, and I didn't lie about it. Why make up such a strange story? Maybe the question was deleted and reposted. You lack self-reflection. @Makyen timidly admits the moderation mishandled the question, but only after heaps of hostility. You're not defending yourself; you're showing how your moderation culture has become toxic. — Ache 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Ache You're the only one who seems to be assuming that the "rule's spirit" is to share useful content. In a way it is, but 1) it has a bigger focus on quality than other Q&A platforms; and 2) it leaves the decision as to whether something is useful to the user base through voting, rather than having someone decide unilaterally. This is to say that your perceived assessment on the quality of a question may differ from other people's assessment. — E_net4 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Ache Aside from that, I would advise you to take a step back and come back with a level head. Moderators can really see deleted comments and have no interest in lying to you. — E_net4 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Bergi
@Jojje Questions that are hard to understand, by at least three people moderating it, or questions that evoke opinions that one could agree or disagree with, should be closed. — Bergi 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paul Vek
@augusto-vasques To make it clearer. I never copied AI answers. I never put the code that AI gave me here. I think there is a misunderstanding. I only got help from AI for some parts I had problems with, I ended up writing most of the code myself, but for the final remaining problems or things I didn't know, I put them on the stack. I don't disagree with your policy, as long as you have proper tools for proofreading, and nothing is wrong with the AI code, and if someone gets help from it rather than a complete answer, it's better to disagree if they get help. do not exist — Paul Vek 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Sigh, the internet. Will it ever learn the difference between racism and discrimination? — Gimby 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Augusto Vasques
I didn't say that you copied and pasted AI answers. I just cited two reasons for not using AI tools to generate the answers. — Augusto Vasques 7 secs ago
 
9:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Can we get some warnings to the people who voted to close that question please? The meta effect should not become the meta defect. — Gimby 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
No, the exact criteria are deliberately kept vague / secret, to prevent people from gaming the system. — Cerbrus 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
12 and 18 upvotes over 7 years isn't "many"... That said, you need 3000 rep to be able to cast reopen votes. Another option would be to edit the question in such a way that the closure reason gets resolved. That will put the question up for review. — Cerbrus 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Note that closure doesn't necessarily mean it's not good information. It's just not a good fit for Stack Overflow. — Cerbrus 38 secs ago
 
10:15 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
That bullet list at the bottom needs to go first. It is like the question was written to on purpose make people hate it. I not only says "I don't want to do research, you tell me" - this question grabs people by the collar, shakes them violently and screams in their face. — Gimby 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
How many bad questions are you allowed. Zero. — rene 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
I feel like that may be a good question but it does need an edit. I am personally refraining from doing that since I am not an SME on R. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
Anyone who is considerate with their peers should refrain from asking bad questions intentionally, don't you agree? And there is no urgency or exception clause to apply in this scenario (no question is so important as to warrant being pushed before it was well researched and written). — E_net4 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shadow Wizard Love Zelda
@gparyani I believe that's the case indeed, IMO worth an answer. Worst case, if it's not, staff can always come and post the actual reason, and delete your own. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Michael Kay
I have a great deal of sympathy with the comment - I hate anonymous downvotes, it seems a completely negative behaviour and I have complained about it many times. By all means complain about it, but be civil in the way you do so. — Michael Kay 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by George Stocker
I would have declined it too. When I was a moderator, users that would eviscerate others but "technically" not be unkind would seem to be the ones that loved to custom flag folks saying one word out of line against them. It felt like the rules lawyers were coming out to play back then. I see some similarities in this. — George Stocker 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@MichaelKay We're not discussing that matter here, but I'll just leave this here temporarily. By all means, do not complain about it. — E_net4 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"I cannot understand why it was closed." This seems pretty obvious: because it lacks focus. There are four sub-questions there: "declaring it", "What it is?", "what is used for?", "some examples". Can you clarify why you don't understand the closure? — MisterMiyagi 9 secs ago
 
10:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
I am impressed with your choice if terminology. Not "question ban", but "loss of question privilege". Very accurate. That melts my icy walls. I can reckon that you looked at your user CP and noticed that half of your questions are downvoted, and are now getting a little nervous perhaps? It helps to provide context you know, the question in its terse form will raise the hairs of most battle-hardened meta dwellers I would say :) — Gimby 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
Mod note: Comments complaining about anonymous downvotes are not relevant to this question; please refrain from continuing to post them here. There are plenty of other discussions about this; please direct your comments there instead. See also meta.stackoverflow.com/q/393913/6296561 and meta.stackoverflow.com/q/357436/6296561Zoe is on strike ♦ 30 secs ago
 
10:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@GeorgeStocker Considering that the message in question was triggered by a downvote, that is the postcard message of taking downvotes too damn personally. I've said this way too many times now: if people cannot remain respectful in the face of adversity, that will inevitably hit them in the rear later on. — E_net4 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Still curious that there is an even bigger spike last week though. Something must be driving more people to the site, causing them to get automatically logged in. — Gimby 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@E_net4 Except there is no direct feedback to the user except the comment being deleted. So they would notice that either way, but they will not get any upfront warning until they really cross the line. "If people cannot remain respectful in the face of adversity.." I can count number of people I know that can really do that using only one hand (maybe two if I try hard). — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
If the user is the one that tends to cross the line often enough, then such behavior will be noticed soon enough. And broader set of comments can be taken into account when deciding action. Not just the UU ones. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Looks to me like a Duplicate of "What does the dot mean in R – personal preference, naming convention or more?" (+96) anyway, (mentioned in the Comments), which has 2 Answers (+138)&(+31) with much more info than the one Answer (+18) for the Question (+13) you want to get reopened... — chivracq 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Chechy Levas
@MisterMiyagi, I think "What is it?" and "What is it used for?" are kind of the same question. At least is this case, they have the same answer. From my perspective, I had never seen a variable with prefixed dots, and this question and answer cleared it up for me, so from my perspective, it seemed like a good answerable question. — Chechy Levas 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“Why don't you accept AI codes and answers?” - Those answers are factually and technically wrong. ChatGPT responses will never be able to generate quality programming answers. — Security Hound 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gino Mempin
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Chechy Levas
@Gimby, I don't think considerations on the style or "personality" of the question should be overly relevant, as long as it is not intentionally being rude. — Chechy Levas 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
@ChechyLevas there is a big difference between what should and should not happen, and reality. The reality is that this question was doomed from the beginning. — Gimby 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Chechy Levas
@chivracq, not really a duplicate but could be considered related.. The question in your link deals with parameter names, and the question I linked to deals with variable names. Part of the answer in your link does actually address the question I linked to, but the questions themselves are not quite the same. — Chechy Levas 56 secs ago
 

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