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8:49 AM
@marmot Apparently you really should send an email to GitHub to change your name back to 'marmot'. Now on CTAN you are 'tallmarmot': ctan.org/author/tallmarmot
 
 
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10:18 AM
@marmot is it ok if I send you a pull-request for some typos I find/found in the documentation of 3dtools?
 
 
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11:59 AM
@JouleV even package documentation names @marmot as tallmarmot. So maybe it was intentional after all;)
 
12:16 PM
@Raaja I dunno but... this is inconsistent, and consistency is one of the main reasons I use LaTeX, after all.
 
12:28 PM
@JouleV why should it, I use Skillmon as a nickname in many places (but it was taken by others in other places), but my packages aren't created "by Skillmon".
 
@Skillmon Sure, but that means you either do not associate your packages with "Skillmon", or you don't want to hide your real name to those calling you "Skillmon". @marmot is different - a normal user will never be able to get his real name, and he does associate the package with his GitHub account, and consequently with his SE account.
 
1:00 PM
@JouleV define normal user :) But in general you're right. My packages are created by me, not by my alias, and I don't feel the urge to hide myself behind a pseudonym for my packages. The fact that this way my real name can be found out doesn't bother me, because in many places this pseudonym of mine isn't used by me and no-one except myself and probably google (because google knows) knows which Skillmon is really associated with my real world name.
 
1:17 PM
@Skillmon I am almost a normal user in that sense :)
 
1:54 PM
May be while posting it, @marmot uploaded it with some dark-matter in it. Unfortunately, we never know what will come out, until it does ;)
 
@Raaja *duck-matter
 
@JouleV The only inconsistency I can see is that tallmarmot is written in lower case :) Something tall should be upper case :)
@marmot Very nice to see the 3D tools on ctan!
 
2:10 PM
@samcarter It implies that you are not tall?
(I would not believe it though :) - to make it really consistent I would have to change my name to joulev)
 
@JouleV Not particularly, no :) I guess I consider myself average size. So lowercase is OK, no need for footnotesize :)
 
I'm yet to test the 3dtools and @JouleV huhh yeah potato, pothato :D
 
2:30 PM
Yay, finally today I am free enough to install TeX Live
 
@JouleV yeah!
 
user11685757
@JouleV @samcarter @Skillmon @Raaja Thank you all for the messages! But ... I did not submit anything to CTAN. What is going on here.
 
user11685757
@Skillmon It would be great! (And it is far from publishable.)
 
2:49 PM
so there is a second marmot?
 
Apparently in duck matter anything is possible ;)
 
user11685757
3:06 PM
@samcarter Maybe. I had a github project of the same name, so I suspect someone just uploaded it to arXive, and this someone might be Henri Menke.
 
user11685757
@Raaja ^^^^
 
3:48 PM
@marmot It is time for you to (1) tell GitHub to give you 'marmot' as your username, (2) edit the documentation of tikz-3dtools and (3) tell Henri Menke to edit the author name on CTAN.
 
4:04 PM
@marmot I've already opened a pull request on Github. Do you probably have any deployment scripts to CTAN, that were run for some reason? Or maybe Henri did publish it accidentally?! I have no idea...
 
user11685757
4:58 PM
@Skillmon Thanks! What do I have to do to see/approve these requests? Currently I get
 
user11685757
 
@marmot You are at a wrong repo. This is the right repo: github.com/pgf-tikz/tikz-3dtools
 
5:17 PM
@JouleV thanks for responding for me :)
 
user11685757
@JouleV @Skillmon Oh wow, I didn't even know of that repo. Probably another marmot is the owner??
 
@marmot I didn't know that you have a fork on your own account that you're working on (it isn't displayed as a fork, maybe you did hide it as a private repo). I forked the official at pgf-tikz, too, and opened the pull request there.
@marmot it is the one displayed on CTAN as the home of 3dtools...
 
user11685757
Can you tell me what this means for me? I mean, how can I work on this repo?
MacBook-Pro-4:~/Documents/localgit/pgf/experiments/Marmot/3dtools\> git pull
Already up to date.
?????
 
@marmot oh. Type in git remote show, what's the output?
 
user11685757
@Skillmon
MacBook-Pro-4:~/Documents/localgit/pgf/experiments/Marmot/3dtools\> git remote show
origin
upstream
 
5:28 PM
@marmot if you didn't create that repo, maybe you should ask Henri about it. I don't know how else this could have come into existence (maybe Henri wanted it to be more separated from the main-base because of it being pretty experimental in the current state)
@marmot git remote get-url upstream and git remote get-url origin please :)
 
user11685757
@Skillmon Yes, it is experimental, but why did he publish it then?
 
user11685757
@Skillmon
MacBook-Pro-4:~/Documents/localgit/pgf/experiments/Marmot/3dtools\> git remote get-url upstream
https://github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf.git
MacBook-Pro-4:~/Documents/localgit/pgf/experiments/Marmot/3dtools\> git remote get-url origin
https://github.com/tallmarmot/pgf.git
 
@marmot I don't think he did, but if you didn't and you don't have a deployment script for it, then maybe he did by accident. I just gave a viable reason for it being released. But we can't know without asking him.
 
user11685757
@Skillmon Yup, seems to be an accident. The only thing I know is that I certainly did not upload it. Can you see my email address on CTAN? If yes, this would be really really bad.
 
@marmot ok, so you got two remotes, one pointing to your private repo and one pointing to the pgf-tikz one.
@marmot CTAN doesn't publish the email-addresses of people uploading packages, they are used internally. The only way your email address could be viewable on CTAN were if you were a community member and had the option set to display your address on your community profile.
@marmot and if you publish something you have to specify an email address and will get mail from them that they checked the package and everything is fine and that they added it to their catalogue. So you would have gotten mail from them if it was published by your account.
 
user11685757
5:36 PM
@Skillmon OK, thanks. So I honestly do not know what to do with that. The first time when I will have some spare time to fix the most urgent things.
 
user11685757
@Skillmon I didn't get emails from them. I got tons of emails from github/Henri but I didn't read them yet because they are typically so frustrating that they will have negative impact on all the recommendation letters that I am currently writing, so I decided to wait with reading those till the letters are done.
 
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@Skillmon OK, thanks. So I honestly do not know what to do with that. The first time when I will have some spare time to fix the most urgent things will be Thanksgiving.
 
@marmot you should really try to fetch up with Henri before putting more effort in 3dtools in that case. If 3dtools should really become a part of pgf there will be no other way in the long run.
 
user11685757
@Skillmon Yes, after I have done the more urgent things.
 
@marmot And I'm really sorry to hear that you're having a hard time with him currently. I don't think he has any malevolent intend, but that he just wants the code to be really mature when it is added to the master branch of pgf. His intends are most likely good in the long run.
@marmot understandable and reasonable, I always tend to do the less urgent things first (e.g., spend a couple of hours into a sorting implementation when I should be learning the ins and outs of SVMs).
 
user11685757
5:51 PM
@Skillmon Yes, he is overworked. He is doing a lot and feels not to be taken seriously enough if people make stupid git hub mistakes.
 
user11685757
@Skillmon ;-) I did not forget about this one. But I got very devastating feedback from Henri, essentially because I forgot to remove \usepacage{tikz-3dplot} from the 3d tools manual, so he was assuming it would require that package, which it does not. Anyway, based on the assertion that it is an addendum to tikz-3dplot he made some further comments, after which I stopped reading his messages.
 
@marmot I don't want to sound mean or disinterested, but I don't think you should be telling me about the details of your conversations with him, that's none of my business and might be unfair to him. Again I don't think he wants to do any actual harm, and that in general he is benevolent.
 
user11685757
@Skillmon Yes, I agree with that. I only wanted to tell you why I stopped working on the 3dtools library.
 
@Skillmon No it isn't private. github.com/tallmarmot/pgf. @marmot uses it to develop the bbox library (github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/pull/714). @samcarter and I starred it very long ago.
 
6:07 PM
@JouleV oh, yes the problem was that he doesn't own a fork of that 3dtools repo. But that comes naturally if he didn't create that repository and didn't even know it existed...
 
user11685757
@JouleV Thanks! As you can see, I have actually no clue whatsoever of how these things work.
 
@marmot what? 3dtools library has just been 'officialized' to CTAN, and you were the main developer, and now you are already quitting?
 
user11685757
@JouleV Some developments are fast these days. ;-)
 
@Skillmon Our @marmot is exceptionally good at TikZ but apparently exceptionally bad at git :)
 
user11685757
@JouleV Yes, the latter part is unfortunately a true statement.
 
6:10 PM
@marmot The fact that you own a repo which you didn't even know existed is truly surprising.
 
@marmot but you can learn things and at least the basics of git aren't that hard to learn (I'm not so experienced either, at least not with Github, I used git mainly to work on some study related things together with my peers)
 
user11685757
@JouleV Yes, indeed. (But as far as I can see this is not my fault.)
 
@JouleV well, it is owned by the pgf-tikz organization/team, not by his account.
 
@marmot the .travis.yaml contains a deploy section, so it is quite possible that you triggered a ctan upload e.g. by setting a tag. You should perhaps remove this if you don't want it.
 
@UlrikeFischer but even in that case he should have got the CTAN-note that they added it to their catalogue.
 
user11685757
6:12 PM
@Skillmon Well, I tried. The problem is that I find everything counter-intuitive,
 
@marmot github.com/pgf-tikz/tikz-3dtools/releases it seems like Henri did release it.
 
@Skillmon not necessarly, if the upload was triggered from the pgf repo, the mail perhaps got to Henry, or the mail is somewhere in the github notifications.
 
@Skillmon Well, but he actually made some commits to it.
 
user11685757
@UlrikeFischer How is that possible? I did not do anything on this in the recent weeks, and have never heard about a deploy section, nor did I set a tag. The only thing I believe to know is that Henri made the bbox library part of TikZ. Ironically, this is the library out of the three which is in the worst shape (but I'd know how to fix it).
 
@marmot that is a service that you get through e.g. travis. In the luaotfload repo for example if I set a tag and push, then travis calls l3build, creates a zip-file and then stores it as a release here github.com/latex3/luaotfload/releases. Joseph uses this to push LaTeX to ctan. It saves a lot work as the zip for ctan don't need to be build locally.
 
user11685757
6:21 PM
@UlrikeFischer OK, thanks! I promise I did not use any of this.
 
@marmot no, but look at the travis.yaml: if contains a deploy section with "on: tags true". github.com/pgf-tikz/tikz-3dtools/blob/master/.travis.yml.
 
user11685757
@UlrikeFischer Oh, it does. Probably today is Samstag? ;-)
 
user11685757
It even blames me:
 
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user11685757
But I swear I did not touch anything on github for more than a week.
 
6:29 PM
@marmot From Github:
@hmenke
hmenke 2 days ago Member

I have packaged up tikz-3dtools and put it here: github.com/pgf-tikz/tikz-3dtools
Release v1.0 is also submitted to CTAN already.
@hmenke
hmenke 14 hours ago Member

tikz-3dtools has appeared on CTAN and should be in TeX Live soon.
ctan.org/pkg/tikz-3dtools
 
user11685757
@Skillmon Ja mei.
 
I'll be off for the rest of the day. Good night everybody!
 

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