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18:00
I moderately like some of you.
Mike doesn't know anything anymore. Mike's dead.
that sounded flaggable
Mike's not here. Mike went away. Mike's gone
@KendallFrey KevinB will deny im sure
@hilli_micha I know half of you half as much as I would like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
18:02
Good job, now my head hurts.
You half got to be kidding me
Wow. No Lord of the Rings fans. You're all dead to me.
@KendallFrey he's full out kidding
rings are only good for modular arithmetic
I'm kinda just okay with Lord of the Rings. I've seen it like, twice. Only one time I was paying full attention
18:04
@Allenph wait is this actually a line
I dont recall this one
@Allenph ah. here.
So I watched Thor: Ragnarok last night and I was pleasantly surprised
Very much enjoyed it
@KendallFrey Wait, that isn't the core is it?
I didn't know they released that video. I thought it hit the water.
18:08
lol
there are a bunch of clips mashed together there
from different flights
> Lana: shakes up the antennas
Dude: (wat face) oh.
continues talking
@rlemon feature request: option to NOT autoplay videos when expanding oneboxes
noted
18:11
nice
> Her: gotcha, just curious
Me: What about you? I'm not curious I'm just being polite
Flirting level 100
lmao
see thats why you need rlemon
he should go with you on dates, sitting behind a newspaper with a hole, and you will both have intercoms
I consult @rlemon on every woman I take out :P
And I send @ndugger all the trannys I find on tinder
lol
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18:22
> hey you can't do that here!
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> but the sign says U Pull It
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Lmao this ad for the local junkyard on the radio cracks me up
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@HatterisMad lol
uhmmm
linux-image-extra-4.13.0-32-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.13.0-32-generic but it is not going to be installed
Dude, U Pull Junkyards are honestly a blast to go to, even Ashley enjoys just walking around and seeing cars in various states of disrepair
18:28
I'm in the middle of a presentation thing and I can't install emoji :/
My first set of golf clubs came from a junk yard
"This week on: Towc can't linux"
@Loktar Hangouts
@BenFortune More like "Towc installs Linux"
one does not simply survive a kernel upgrade
Reinstalls*
I think its more upgrade
18:33
no but really what do I do aboutit?
I stupidly did that to myself when I installed fedora the first time
Kernel Upgrade, an easy way to regret what you've done 30 minutes later.
Saying that, I've borked my arch install
you don't install things during a presentation
what you do about it is learn from it
Saying that I damaged a hard-disk-drive trying to fix my linux system (no physically)
18:34
My WiFi driver is intermittent
Time to start from scratch
@BenFortune What is the provider ?
As in the hardware provider
I'm pretty sure that if I restart the laptop, the install will be borked completely
No idea, think it uses realtek
@towc most likely
Or ralink
18:35
@BenFortune it'd be awesome if you could run lspci | grep realtek I think that should tell you
ralink ones need to blacklist the original driver and install a slightly custom one
they have wifi sleep something something windows batshit baked into them
It's been working fine for a year, then I yaourt -Syu'd
I dealt with that on my old Dell, a laptop made for torturing Linux users
most likely it reinstalled the default one
Mines a samsung
yeah but they use the same hardware providers
@BenFortune On-board Wifi imo is a spoopy proposition with Linux, it's almost worth it to buy something dedicated that is a bit more reliable in getting proper drivers.
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18:37
@ShrekOverflow works really well until you get point n click cc'd
@HatterisMad the idea is not to get that you can point and "SMASH"
@hilli_micha It's not soldered on, it's in a mini pcie iirc
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@ShrekOverflow good luck with not getting cc'd :/
@hilli_micha more about which chipset/product than internal/external
@HatterisMad Ofcourse you'll need pro skills like this dude but -- youtube.com/watch?v=PWpoaUaXtIY
18:39
@hilli_micha ironically, my wifi card doesn't work, but the onboard does
What i find amusing is they had rengar and aatrox in the same team
that game
@ssube I mean, I could be wrong, but I'm in the opposite boat as you on this. My Linux install works fantastic with my external card, and the onboard is wonky as all hell.
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yeah nightblue is fun
Its just my anecdotal, very coarse experience.
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but he ruins games trying to play stupid things
18:40
like Luggage said, it's the chipset
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i always feel bad for his teammates
but this one worked out pretty fun
I ended up with a working onboard intel chipset and issues with the offboard asus bt55whatever
its like they kept rengar in the team, so that if aatrox sucked they'd swap lol
unless it's actually connectivity, then an external could have a better antenna. different issue
18:41
anyone using rust in here?
Right, but it seems that relying with onboard wi-fi is dicey because of that reason. Whatever OEM laptops have is just what happens to be cheapest and meets specs at the time, and that sort of thing seems like it would be in a bit of flux. When you get something external, you have a choice over the chipset that you're getting.
@GNi33 eh, I'm a little rusty on that
@hilli_micha worked absolutely splendid on my mbp ;)
ever used hyper?
if you want it to work and aren't worried so much about speed, I've had good luck with USB NICs
18:43
I'm struggling with the most basic things right now
the chipset that is in laptops is usually known, i think
in case that wasn't just a pun
Its either realtek or ralink
or killer something something
it was a pun sorry lol I have never used Rust
at least for decent brands that aim at busunesses. dell and lenovo tell you what chipset everything is
i had a choice of network chipsets in my dell laptop
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@shrekoverflow other problem with nightblue is he plays on smurfs in platinum to play troll champs and builds like this, he could play almost any champion in the jungle and smash in platinum with it
I chose the intel, i think
alright. Man, this is making me go crazy
18:44
@HatterisMad That I totally agree xD, he even played Karthus Jungle and made it work
What do you guys think about the factory pattern? I understand the principle but I have yet to run into a case where I get a re-use. Almost always it's a 1 to 1 with a mapper.
intel are still the gold standard afaik
at one point vmware's HCL essentially just said "Network: Intel anything, nobody else"
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@ShrekOverflow that actually isn't that terrible
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@ShrekOverflow there is a challenger karthus jungle one trick and he has been challenger multiple seasons doing it lol
I have tried it once, karthus ulted me irl to make me pay for that.
I wonder if they'll eventually change karthus' role as mid-laner
18:46
@ShrekOverflow Apple is really good about keeping their hardware variation limited. Easier target to hit. Same reason, for the longest time (can't remember if it's still true) that a Macbook was the one of the best Windows laptops you could buy.
@hilli_micha That is why there was a wink also nope Surface is well actually Dell XPS 13 new one .... mmmmm.
Makes sense, I forgot the Surface existed there for a moment.
that limited variation is because they write too many of their own drivers
none of which work properly :)
Truer words have never been said
MacOS works, until you try to do that one thing that Apple doesn't consider like changing text scaling and welp you can't do it unless you are on a 4K display
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18:48
@shrekoverflow when i played on the garena servers i didn't have any champions and Aatrox was free so i would go in and go a lifesteal build and solo baron every 5 minutes starting at 20m lol
In my case I had to write ObjC to make my keyboard's NumLock work, and had to read up USB spec just to make sense of what I was doing.
@HatterisMad wow
I have honestly never had an issue like that on the MBP here, but I don't use it every single day, more of a casual user.
> until you try to do that one thing that Apple doesn't consider like <x>
I find way more daily annoyances on windows than mac, though
18:50
even though I love that windows runs on everything and "just works" in ways that macs don't
on my macbook, that "just works" in ways windows never did
That I can get behind. Windows is littered to the brim with those tiny things that don't make me say "GOD DAMN IT' but just enough to get under my skin.
I've never had an Apple machine that didn't kernel panic its first day
i have never had a kernel panic ever
some beachballing here and there
I've only ever seen Kernel Panics when I tried setting up a Hackintosh
and for a while some extreme slowness that was corrected by clearing some apple cache junk
18:51
containers and most of the other tools I use are slower or totally broken (docker runs in a VM, breaks networking)
docker runs in a vm on windows, too
and hyperkit is horribly broken
(unless it's windows containers, but that's another story)
I haven't used dockers on windows enough to tell if it has the same network issues
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i worked at best buy for a few years and we had to constantly do system restores on the macbooks that were out on the salesfloor, they would just stop booting for some reason.
18:52
I do know that the combination of Mac + Vbox networking tends to hard freeze the VM often
my experience is the opposite. vbox worked perfently on mac, but shits itself on windows due to some driver incompatibility with my docking station
they all suck and we all have our own personal experiences
@KamilSolecki LOL
Kinda like cars.
> That's funny, I ran over that field and not one landmine blew up. I don't know what your problem is.
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Where's the pin for towc's birthday
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18:54
Ohh I see one in stars nvm
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He went live on FB this morning but I missed it lol
@Luggage Simple, I put Arch Linux on all of them and let pacman update my packages, they're all duds until I fix them this weekend.
@Luggage the only guarantee is that it's a proprietary driver problem
every where, every time, some idiot wrote their own driver
the hardware manufacturer doesn't always provide one for every OS
they should write them in Java :)

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