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18:04
say
instead of all these state management and rendering frameworks
vue
why not use a loop with RAF and use the GPU
I think I'm onto something
ah, WinMain
no, that's still in an event loop
Because the Royal Air Force doesn't like loops
The American Navy does though
18:07
yeap
I wonder if he would have done it if social media didn't exist
if we really believed in having the punishment fit the crime, they should get a medal, but it should be dick shaped
lol
then again, a lot of things probably wouldn't happen without social media
@Mosho people have been drawing dicks way before social media though
18:09
me included
in the sky?
and pilots are notorious for being type A people who do crazy shit ;p
Yeah, that's what bathroom stall walls were for.
the bigger the audience, the bigger the act
well that's why they did it in the sky above DC
18:10
So I'm really hungry, but the idea of lamb balls in yoghurt sauce in a homemade pita won me over
So now I need to make food while making food
er sorry Wash state not DC
> This is not the first time a military pilot has drawn similar images. As the Drive pointed out, a Royal Air Force jet drew what appeared to be a penis in the sky over Scotland in 2014. The RAF later concluded the suggestive smoke trails were caused by a pilot circling in a holding pattern while waiting to land.
lol
it was over bumfuck, washington iirc
And because y'all talked about grilled cheese
yeah so maybe they didn't want as much attention as they received, because then the military HAS to punish you
which in normal circumstances it's all just a good laugh
I'm ending up with baked feta for my pre-meal
@Loktar hmm, yeah, I guess that makes sense
well, I guess it's one way to reach fame
lol watch an investigation will come out, and it turns out it's a sort of normal thing
called a code P
or the P maneuver lol
lol
> Of course Captain Johnson had to do it above an area where people could take pictures, ruining everyones fun
anyway I hope the pilot isn't punished too harshly
18:13
maybe whoever is operating the mars rover can take some notes, raise the stakes
shitty thing is for officers it's always more serious, since it affects you ability to rank up more severly
I hope the pilot's first name is Richard
omg elon's onto something
Why is there no Flat Mars Society!?
we should make one
lol
i think most of the dicks are directed against enemies of the state, drawn with bomb craters and bullet holes. War is dicking.
18:14
@towc really, those are the top tech companies?
shopify and atlassian? :\
I wish the dick was over the DPRK HQ
that would have been awesome.
@Loktar lol
@Mosho wut
@towc tweet below that tweet
are you talking about vue?
18:15
geo stationary dicks positioned over world capitols
Oh I also got some nice sour ale with the addition of cherry and gooseberry @SterlingArcher @rlemon @ssube
oh
!!!Kamil!
18:15
@Webster That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
that loooks yum
!!/help
@Webster Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
@Mosho wut where did you get that?
didn't know Shopify was out of TO
TIL
18:16
omg shes a bot?
@towc elon's tweets
oh, his tweet list
i thought she was just high strung and on it
@Webster lol
Took you a while
@rlemon yeah, lots of coops from UW work there
18:17
like she waits in the wings with her warning message on clipboard waiting for someone to not ask their question ditrectly
@Mosho back in my day all the coops worked for D2L
@rlemon and BB
if it says cherries on your sour ale than it will be good
kreik?
@Mosho's dog
damn
looks shopped though
18:19
would look great in an oven
@Mosho nahh, happens sometimes to dogs and cows
@towc do you usually cook dogs?
not usually, no
they found the muscles gene
18:20
it's not good for them
sexy trucks
google whippet syndrome
looks funny af on cows tho
uuuh, an interesting idea would be to just buy a truck and live in it
oh wait
i dont think those cows worked out either
@towc you mean be a truck driver?
18:21
it's a genetic thing where you produce some chem that increases your muscle building mass
@Mosho as a side effect
but can't be good for your heart or bone structures
@towc do you like greasy food, speed, and dirty whores?
when they figure out how to do it to people than big muscles will cease to offer reproductive advantage
it happens in people too
18:22
@ssube well...
boring company tunnel
the whores have to shower first
not sure what the diameter is
trucks don't have showers
18:23
@Mosho 1/4 MRSF
I think @Mosho has a mancrush on elon
doesn't everyone
well, just because he looks delicious doesn't mean I would want to spend time with him
I would
dude would have so much cool shit to talk about
I just want to see how he organizes so many things
18:24
I think just about all the cool stuff he could talk about is public
that bandwidth
@towc I don't
I wonder what it would take to apply and be picked to go to mars
I'd totally do it
a youtube following
Cody is probably already on the list
18:27
Simone maybe?
#asstronaut
I don't think mars one is a serious venture
does anyone?
yes
I didn't think landing a rocket on an robotic barge was a serious venture.
I've learned not to doubt elon
it works pretty good, though
he succeeds by not caring
plus, he's from mars
18:29
He uses the best magic of all, throwing money at things until it works.
@Mosho something like 3 or 4 meters IIRC
@ssube Then why am I not stupendously rich
@KendallFrey it's a special brand of not caring
honestly, he could announce tomorrow he's inventing magic and starting Hogwarts and part of me would be saying , "you know, it's not the craziest thing he's pulled off"
@KendallFrey not caring !== pretending to not care
18:29
@rlemon I've learned to only doubt Elon's timelines
It involves having a receding hair line until you get rich.
the number of fucks you give gets so close to 0 that your luck approaches infinity
@ssube darn that caring asymptote
it's very hard to accomplish unless you're insanely rich
@TylerH sure, what's +-10 years on a venture like Mars.
that's nothing.
18:30
@rlemon Even though magic is impossible by definition?
> I am also a very friendly person that gets along with everyone so I could do very well here on Earth, in fact leaving would be a huge loss for the planet; it is for precisely this reason that I am greatly needed in this endeavor to colonize a new world.
@KendallFrey everything is impossible until we figure out how to make it possible.
from cody's profile
@KendallFrey that's not what definition of magic is though
think of all the things in history that were deemed "impossible"
18:30
sounds like a sociopath :P
@rlemon But not by definition
limited definition
magic is just acts attributed to the supernatural, which is events that cannot be explained by our understanding of nature and science
elon will invent a new definition
like Clarke's 2nd law or w/e
18:31
I just realized there would be huge political implications to colonizing mars
@TylerH How do you define magic that it isn't impossible?
any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
I would posit that any sufficiently advanced technology is magic depending on the gap between it and whoever is looking at it
@TylerH That's not the definition of supernatural that I'm used to
@TylerH that's not how you use that law
@KendallFrey well that's the definition of it
18:32
@towc there will 100% be a war between mars and earth a few decades/hundred years after colonizing
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Can we have a Tyler vs Kendall pedant war at least once a week
@Mosho I'm thinking more in the short term
I fucking love them
even more tax evasion for the rich
18:32
:D
@rlemon I'm game
sure
nuclear fallout can suck it, for rich people
YASSSS
we need to put together a schedule of topics
so this will literally just be like debate class
18:33
#1: what's a bunny
go
wait what if they agree
they won't
good
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18:35
To me, supernatural means somehow separate from natural, and because everything that interacts with the natural world can be described using natural laws, it is natural by definition, and therefore supernature can't interact with nature, making it impossible.
we were talking about bunnies
pick up the pace, kendall
@KendallFrey Sure, if you are living in a bubble without time
How does time affect that?
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time affects it because our understanding of the natural world changes over time
18:36
To me, supernatural has nothing to do with our understanding
go back 600 years and show them electricity, like a tesla coil. They will call you Merlin
quantum physics wasn't supernatural before 1900
sure it was
we attributed all kinds of things to the supernatural before we understood them
Not according to the usage that I'm used to
we thought droughts were the rain gods being angry at us
so we did rain dances
18:37
@TylerH Attributing something to be supernatural is separate from it actually being supernatural.
@TylerH but... aren't they?
Nothing is actually supernatural because those things aren't real
they're just superstitions
we can attribute stuff to fake things all we want but it doesn't make it so
@TylerH by definition ;)
Damn, this convo is meta
Supernatural is a great show you guys, trust me those boys are so hunky
4 hours ago, by Kendall Frey
I like philosophy
3 hours ago, by Kendall Frey
I guess I don't get any philosophy today
yay I was wrong
18:39
Do you snort philosophy in truck stop bathrooms?
Seriously Kendall vs Tyler as a weekly thing is going to happen
the subject of the supernatural is the subject of things and events that are caused by natural phenomena that aren't understood well enough to be able to attribute them to said natural phenomena
@hilli_micha I would if I went in those
like doors slamming in a house
people call it ghosts but it's air pressure
every supernatural thing has a real explanation, sometimes we just don't understand it yet because it's sufficiently advanced technology so it seems like magic
@TylerH My argument is that merely calling something supernatural isn't philosophically or empirically useful.
18:40
Yay for quick snack!
like Asgardian tech when analyzed by humans
@Trasiva @rlemon @towc
The meaningful sense of supernatural seems to be something outside of nature
oh, right, dinner, thanks
@KendallFrey you haven't said that at all until just now
it's useful if you start with your argument rather than decide on it at the end
18:41
man it's so nice out
13 and sunny
you're not luring me out
@KendallFrey yes, 'outside of' here meaning 'we can't explain it with nature'
@TylerH The proposition was that "supernatural" is impossible, I don't usually start debates with the arguments, I start with the proposition
@TylerH I don't see those as the same at all
someone intelligent or scientific will say 'yet' but someone closeminded will not and just attribute it to the supernatural
@KendallFrey that depends on your definition of natural
18:43
@Mosho Sure
@KendallFrey at the beginning you just said that you had some different definition of supernatural, not that 'supernatural was impossible'
when smart people argue
people's notion of nature is what creates the distinction between natural and supernatural
it's subjective
because I agree with you that supernatural is impossible
it's just natural and we don't understand how yet
if you define nature to be anything and everything, then yeah, supernatural doesn't exist
by definition
18:45
@TylerH What I was trying to say was that the most meaningful definition of supernatural in my vernacular is such that "magic" (supernatural causes for natural things) is impossible,
so therefore for something to be supernatural is not "impossible", per se, it's an impossible attribution
@KendallFrey sure, magic that acts through some force that's never explained or discovered but somehow exists is impossible
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because it's just like fairies in the sky
@Mosho I wouldn't say that. For example, I could call the number 1 supernatural. It exists, but outside of nature.
but magic that's actually a part of a world that bothers to describe it always comes from something
some dimension or some plane or some force of energy that can be tapped into
which just makes it a form of technology
18:47
@TylerH I don't think so. It's possible that no explanation will be found, but a natural phenomenon is still natural
@KendallFrey you and everything you think or do is a subset of nature
under that definition
@KendallFrey will be found yet
Whoa we went esoteric
@Mosho To be clear, I'm a mathematical realist
18:47
a what
historically tho isn't magic attributed to something they believe to be natural but can't explain? like "life force" or "natural energy" or whatever crap they use
@TylerH I meant will be found ever
@KendallFrey Well that's as much of an indefensible position as religion, so...
so 'magic' is just a blanket term to describe something we'd otherwise not think possible in nature. <- less of a statement, more of a general discussion point
The philosophy of mathematics is the branch of philosophy that studies the assumptions, foundations, and implications of mathematics, and purports to provide a viewpoint of the nature and methodology of mathematics, and to understand the place of mathematics in people's lives. The logical and structural nature of mathematics itself makes this study both broad and unique among its philosophical counterparts. == Recurrent themes == Recurrent themes include: What is the role of humankind in developing mathematics? What are the sources of mathematical subject matter? What is the ontological status...
18:48
This will all become much less interesting to you all when you discover that I am simply a bot controlled by rlemon
@KendallFrey sorry I have work to do
@TylerH I'm not saying that any particular thing will remain unexplained, but that it's possible in principle for something to never be explained
@rlemon I think in general yes, but a lot of the time they call it supernatural, and describe it as if it were separate from nature.
so if humans did 'discover' something like telekinesis (even a single case) it would be attributed to 'magic' until we found a concrete reason behind it
I wouldn't call it magic, unless as a euphemism
Though some people probably would
"discovered" brings it out of magic territory
18:52
no, but if a single human showed up one day and started making shit fly with his brain, a lot of people would call it magic
@KendallFrey That's a valid argument but it's a boring copout of one which is why it's not given any breath in science because otherwise what's the point? You might as well just subscribe to philosophical absurdism a la Camus and The Myth of Sisyphus
@Webster no it doesn't
discovered, proveable, reproduceable, if it was truly discovered and not just encountered
discovered !== explained.
== holding it on your hand, so take it to a lab
18:53
people discover untruths all the time.
@Webster not everything is tangible
@TylerH I don't think it's really related to science, but it's also not saying that anything is in principle unexplainable. Even if we know that some things will never be explained, science still does what it does.
@KendallFrey it's literally the realm of science, "to know"
i was replying to the comment if someone discovered telekinesis, so it is no longer magic, its just not explained yet
It would be a copout if someone tried to apply it to science and maybe argue "we shouldn't even try"
It's a philosophical argument, not a scientific one
18:55
@Webster what does discover mean to you?
philosophical pretty much means useless
to find a working example
I think that's overly optimistic.
you can discover a fallen tree in the woods and have no idea what it is or how it got there
@KendallFrey I think the argument that we shouldn't try is implicit in claiming something "might never be explained" -- which is why scientists wouldn't accept such a claim as the tootsie pop "the world may never know". If your conclusion is "the world may never know" then the response is "you just need better tests" or "you need to ask different questions"
it was a theoretical question
18:56
we discover or find things all the time without understanding them
it's kinda how a lot of our history was formed
people attributed things to their discoveries and didn't bother looking further.
@rlemon Indeed, rlemon pooped on a slide and didn't understand why for years
and you see telekinesis definitely happen and you're like, oh, this is not explained yet and yet IT IS, must add to my to do list
If "might never be explained" was applied to a specific proposition, then I agree that it's absurd and pointless.
no, I see someone look at a glass of water and make it move from point a to point b without touching it and i just discovered someone who can make shit move with "magic"
until I learn what causes the telekinetic abilities, it just is
@rlemon Just be sure that you verify it's actually the person doing it and not, say, the wind.
18:57
it's a discovery, but not explained, and therefore still in the realm of 'magic'
@KendallFrey jokes on you, he did a wind dance and that's what made it move
still the man
sorry to sidetrack, but with SSR, where should the rendered pages be stored?
/static/html
wi call that in the realm of the not yet known, "magic" has bad connotations
/dev/null
@rlemon file system then?
18:59
I would think so yea
guess so
I look at rendered HTML as an asset just like my other app bundles.
@Webster I'm not interested in someone elses connotations on a word.
it's rendered and saved on demand though
while the server is running
not yet known is what we attribute to magic
it's pretty much the only holding definition

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