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user1596138
6:01 PM
@KamilSolecki Which aspect
 
16:9
 
@Jhoverit the 80s style tempo and mixed in guitar
 
user1596138
Ah I hear the geetars now
 
user1596138
I got nothin
 
user1596138
Too slow
 
user1596138
6:03 PM
Well I have one but I can't find it
 
@ssube you consider it 'awful' that a boys organization didn't allow girls in?
granted, there are some things I take real issue with in the boy scouts
 
Segregation is generally frowned upon, unless it's girls only
 
A K
what's considered a lot when transfer files?
2 mbs?
 
but being boys-only is not one of them
@Cereal there is a girl scouts organization for girls
 
@TylerH Pretty sure that's not what he meant
 
6:07 PM
@AK depends on the context
 
user1596138
@Cereal No it's not. What do you say about the NFL and the uhh... Whatever the girls NFL is called
 
user1596138
Sports.
 
@KendallFrey Well, it's what he said it in response to
 
It's usually girls+boys, with a girls only alternative
 
the kid scouts?
 
6:07 PM
so I have to assume he counts it as one of the reasons
 
A K
how about web app size?
and api response
 
user1596138
We have Venture Scouts already which is gender nuetral
 
user1596138
Also it allows you to stay into your early 20s
 
@Jhoverit but only for people over 18
 
user1596138
Instead of kicking you out when you turn 18
 
6:08 PM
@Jhoverit That's not the same, testosterone gives men a physical advantage
 
user1596138
@TylerH 14
 
user1596138
It's 14-20
 
boy scouts and girl scouts are designed for adolescents
 
user1596138
@Cereal As it does in Scouting
 
the man scouts
 
6:08 PM
Idk what boy scouts do
 
the boy rangers
 
user1596138
WHat do you think Scouting is if not 100% physical exertion
 
eh, the venture scouts ran pretty much alongside boy scouts around here. both participated in most events
 
I just thought it was like, selling cookies and shit
 
atleast when i went through it
 
6:09 PM
That said, a women was a goalie for the bruins for a couple games I think
 
user1596138
@Cereal We get dropped in the woods for 2 weeks with the most advance dpiece of tech being a tarp. A single tarp. ANd we have to survive and watch out for each other lmao
 
user1596138
Shit like that
 
TIL the boy scouts are training spartans
 
user1596138
Short wave to contact the Ranger if somebody dies
 
@Jhoverit I've heard about intellectual things like knots and survival
 
6:09 PM
most popular merit badge: first aid, least popular: bugling
 
Bulging would be a good badge
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey Those are to prepare
 
user1596138
Obviously you use the knots/lashing to build a shelter
 
to prepare for exertion?
 
user1596138
We practice survival is what I should've said. Which is very very physical
 
6:10 PM
@Cereal it's an organization that 'teaches boys life skills and helps coach them into becoming men'
 
Maybe the exertion is to prepare for intellectual stuff
 
Something something 2017, men, something, gender roles
 
mostly just confidence/team building
 
they do this by camping, performing excursions, studying skills and earning merit badges in those skills, volunteering, etc.
 
user1596138
Yea. I have scaled 200ft climbs with self tied harness etc
 
user2620028
6:10 PM
i don't think survival should be classed as intellectual stuff
 
I wish someone taught me life skills
 
@HatterisMad well right it's got a mix of stuff, but you can't survive just by manlying your way through everything
 
user1596138
The intellectual stuff is used in pratice. Unless you're in the big city where you learn knots to learn knots not to survive next months adventure lol
 
user2620028
@KendallFrey sure, i just don't think intellectual is the right term
 
common sense maybe?
 
user1596138
6:12 PM
I broke / spiraled my 3rd metacarpal with 3 days left on a primitive camping trip. It was -7F lmao
 
user1596138
Stayed.
 
knots aren't common sense
 
user2620028
you can go about things intelligently, you can go about things stupidly. In the end this is all stuff as an organism you should be prepared to do.
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey They're intuitive tho
 
user2620028
im just arguing semantics, not importance
 
user1596138
6:14 PM
I still use them often tho lol. I love how people just cluster fuck rope together and call it good
 
@Jhoverit You need to learn them though.
 
we go glamping, builds integrity
 
@Jhoverit that's what I do :P
 
user1596138
Yea
 
user1596138
The non intuitive stuff is like breaking strengths
 
6:14 PM
i know ratchet straps and bungies, ropes meh
 
user1596138
And they won't actually go over that in scouts
 
user1596138
Like they'll tell you the utility of a square knot. Not that it reduces your rope to ~40% strength
 
fishermans knot yo
 
user1596138
But when you do the more advanced climbing stuff they teach that too
 
I hope I'm never in a position to need to know rope integrity
 
user1596138
6:15 PM
I went and rappelled a cliff nearby just this summer lol
 
user2620028
I would rather be questioning the strength of a rope than the strength of a chain :(
 
user1596138
You can't rappel/ascend a chain. Easily.
 
user2620028
@Jhoverit i tend to not use them for that lol
 
user1596138
Unless you know some kind of chain friction knot I don't lmao
 
user1596138
All my gear is certified tho
 
user2620028
6:16 PM
@Jhoverit yeah, throw it in a shed and try to get it in 3 months, strongest knot you will ever find
 
Gordian knot is how I picture programming
 
is there any reason why a browser would send data such as : {object: [1, 2, 3] } and a server to receive : {object: [2, 1, 3] } ?
 
if it's an array, no
well
unless you're sending it as query params
then all bets are off
 
as long as TCP is ensured. If not, the chances of it ending up exactly like that are really really small
 
anyone have experience with angular2?
 
6:24 PM
!!welcome james
 
@james Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
JSON data in a post
 
!!> let x = 5; x=undefined; isNaN(x);
 
@KamilSolecki true
 
yeah, not really any chance
maybe it's a rootkit
@KamilSolecki whatcha's doubts on?
 
6:27 PM
@towc just checking and I was too lazy to mdn
 
I'll assume you had an ok day so I'm going to mock you. If not, just ignore and ask me to stop, and I'm so sorry
 
oh ffs
ill have to do it another way
 
there's this thing called the browser
it has devtools
you can also use the node console
 
yeah right
I havent opened the console yet
just typing code
 
it's really easy
$ node
 
6:29 PM
you know imma kill you one day :P
 
oh gosh yes please. Are you free this weekend?
actually, I'm free right now, can you drop by?
 
I thought its 18th
i mean I am free this weekend
 
@KamilSolecki don't have to wait that long
 
but I need copy and badger to see it too
 
I haven't physically made contact with a human in just over a month now, I think
 
6:31 PM
congrats, which achievement are you farming?
 
@KamilSolecki 'twas a joke
 
@towc thank god I thought I'd have to murder you for real
 
@KamilSolecki I'm trying to go insane so I can be locked up for good as my parents feel guilt
also, maybe the slovak girl is into that
she'd probably visit me more often if I was in a mental institution of some kind
 
@BenFortune maybe you'll loike it
 
user7480455
you gotta get that nose bleed fixed man!
 
6:35 PM
oh gosh, it will have to wait
 
I earned the tumbleweed badge!
 
easy fix so far for that react boundary error issue (done inside of an error boundary component)
    render() {
        if (this.state.hasError) {
            NotificationsStore.addNotification('The page has just recovered from a serious error.');
        }
        return this.props.children;
    }
our root is wrapped with that
so as long as we don't have root errors (which we shouldn't ever)
it just renders the state to the initial one letting the user know
going to add more granular ones ofc too, but no more white pages at least lol
 
componentDidCatch?
 
yea
which is just this
componentDidCatch(error) {
    this.setState({hasError: true});
}
 
6:43 PM
ah fair enough
 
I'll end up logging errors to our serverside service as well
 
Still haven't used the new react
 
not many differences that are a big deal
that was probably the most major for us
since instead of a child component just breaking the entire page goes blank lol
it unmounts the root node on an error instead of silently erroring in some cases
 
Why is that, by the way?
Force people to handle errors better, or what
 
idk tbh, I guess?
I assume it's less code too
 
6:47 PM
how would we have caught those kinds of errors in the past?
 
just kill the tree on an error instead of trying to proceed somehow
@KevinB weird behavior
 
Man I love little snacks with beer
 
which isn't the best approach
 
I just make sure my code is perfect and has no errors
 
6:48 PM
I've had it happen twice, once since we upgraded react-router
 
What's in the bowl @KamilSolecki
 
we were on like 2.x had to upgrade to 4.x
once I had a rendering screen I was happy lol
 
yeah, i mean it's definitely inconvenient for it to unexpectedly kill the app if you're not prepared for that
i guess now it forces you to think about it
 
@Cereal roasted sunflower seeds
 
@Loktar I've never used react, but would an endpoint timing out count as an error?
 
6:49 PM
yeah wrapping my root node in the above at least just refreshes it
so the user isn't like woah wtf happened?!
 
@Cereal no
 
@Cereal nah
 
an endpoint timing out should be handled with a .catch on teh fetch
 
missing a guard in a render would though
> mything.thing.thing2 (thing doesn't exist)
 
Oh, good. This entire time I was thinking the entire site would implode if an endpoint hiccuped
 
6:49 PM
generally async throws would not directly affect it
 
an issue we had earlier for example when the servers response came back differently than normal
 
but if you're not prepared for shit data and you try to render something based on it
anything could happen
 
at least the logs are super nice
 
Ruby has a fun existence operator for that. &. mything&.thing&.thing2
 
its really easy to see where it failed now, love it
@Cereal yeah I need to do that with babel keep forgetting to add it
 
6:51 PM
whats your favorite way of building a db query dynamically? @everyone
 
one of the best things elm does out of the box as opposed to typescript, is that it enforces your types at runtime automatically
 
just, concats?
 
so if you get something unexpected from anything external it handles it really nicely
 
most formal (de)serialization libs do that too
protobufs and graph* stuff usually validate data
 
yeah but what is it based on
a schema that you define?
 
6:53 PM
yeah. It's not as good as proper RTTI
 
that's a little lame compared to types you already have anyway because you use a typed language
 
helluva lot better than nothing though
 
@Loktar do you have The Ship (game)
I has a free gift
 
having to pass the type a second time as a symbol, string, ctor, w/e is definitely a little lame
 
@KamilSolecki yea
 
6:55 PM
it's a trade I'll take for helpful errors
 
I think I have a copy to give out as well lol
 
well if anybody wants one, ping me
 
Let me check
 
I remember hearing about that game
 
@KamilSolecki
 
6:56 PM
@KamilSolecki I'-
Oh
 
@towc you dont even play games lol
 
anyone here try/get Shadow of War?
 
yeah I pinged you for no reason
please come murder me
 
@Loktar steam reviews are all negative, so it should be excellent
 
@Cereal do add me on steam
 
6:56 PM
@Cereal haha
 
@KamilSolecki Name?
 
yeah people are mad about micro transactions
 
im going to play that
 
the game is fun though imo, if you liked the first one you should like this one
 
6:57 PM
@KamilSolecki Sent
@Loktar I thoroughly enjoyed the fist one, but 80 bucks is too much
 
@Cereal what name? I has too many requests
 
woah, is that the price in CA then??
I got mine from Green Man Gaming for $50
 
Yeah :(, 40 for the season pass on top of it
 
iirc there is no actual season pass
silver/gold editions just get you some :specific DLC for free when released
 
Expansion pass? I didn't look at it, just saw it on the steam store this morning
 
6:58 PM
but not an actual full season pass
 
@KamilSolecki Nagrom Nalla
 
ah yeah I see it now
 
Oh god it's 50
 
that was just added then lol
that's insane though
 
@KamilSolecki fine we get it we're popular
you're*
 
6:59 PM
 
unless we're a we now
 
@towc nah, I just used to trade csgo items
 
omg did I marry you too?
 
so shitton of people add you
 
damn man
 

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