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16:00
@towc they might become a terrorist group
@Jhoverit No kidding. And that's going to be a HOT fire too.
@towc lmfao
I want to figuratively die sometime :/
depends on whether they pull permits
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Psh hot for .5sec
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16:00
That shit is gone instantly
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Flash burns tho lol
That's what I'm saying.
It only needs that .5 seconds, lol.
lol!
also i imagine the shock wave would be nontrivial
@towc You could just drop a figurative toaster in the tub with you.
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16:01
They'll have to be so far away just to keep their hearing... The heat shouldn't be a big deal
@KendallFrey unlike your mother
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I am excite for this video.
@Jhoverit They do have ear protection...
if they keep it at all concentrated in the balloon, that'll be a good side boom
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@KendallFrey Lol for this? Good luck
16:01
or are they going to add helium too and release it?
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I'd do it in a hole.
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@Jhoverit Obviously you don't stand next to it, but still
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Baha...
put the balloon above a forest, you be under the forest
@Jhoverit would you do it on a boat, would you do it with a goat?
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16:02
@KendallFrey Did you see my goat friends
oh, so that's what was going on
I see
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Then you know the answer.
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They weren't jus hanging out for nothing
Senior Engineer: "Build an infinite scroller."
**Builds Infinite Scroller**
Senior Engineer: "You can't push the end button without the page taking time to load new rows. How about we just load all of the rows and then wait for the static assets to load asynchronously?"
Me: "You mean like how Angular renders these by default?"
Face Desk
16:06
Infinite scrollers are a shite idea in general
they're great for keeping people on the page when you have content they're looking for
just never show the content they want, and instead keep showing a repeating loop of stuff that's similar
I think consumers like them.
I think people who use the keyboard don't though.
And refreshing is annoying.
@Jhoverit ayyyyyy congrats bud
@Trasiva lmfao
@SterlingArcher Check your hangouts, boy do I have a story.
16:19
I want in. Is the girl still alive?
That would be quite the boring story, wouldn't it?
@Trasiva I'll try soon, today is hectic as fuck
@BenjaminGruenbaum btw, I have this friend who wanted to try node out, but his mac is v10.8 or something which isn't supported by brew, and we couldn't really get it to work. I suggested building from source (he's new to this whole development thing, or even just using the terminal in general). It seems to be working (it's been installing for more than 30mins apparently), but was there some better way to do it?
lol @KendallFrey that's like the PERFECT video for you eh?
Racing + Astronaut
That setup is really nice but I feel like a VR device would be better overall
VR device + the car, that would be sweet
I think they do a pretty good job with just the screen though
16:24
I'm waiting for him to complain that the simulator wasn't realistic enough, and when he crashed, he should have been dead
That's the setup they use for training and practice for professional drivers
That said, depth perception would be sweet
@towc He only had the mildest of crashes, nothing that could possibly kill him
yeah, the setup isn't bad at all, but I bet it was all created before the recent wave of VR
modern F1 cars are really hard to die in
@Loktar yeah good point
@KendallFrey that's supposed to be reassuring, right?
I played in some pilot setups very similar
but also all made before VR, super fun though still
16:26
@towc if you're driving one, sure
only a cracked rib
@towc use the installer?
tbf there doesn't seem to be a very violent impact anywhere, except for when he fell on the head
@towc go to nodejs.org and click the "download" link and follow the installer.
There is no need to use brew, although you can.
@BenjaminGruenbaum sent him a link to the "build from source on mac" on the github
@towc Probably the hardest part was where it speared into the gravel
16:28
Building on mac is easy, but the easiest is just using the installer
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@KendallFrey He didn't even hit anything.
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah I'm dumb
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So cracked rib is absolute minimum lol
welp
I don't know what I was thinking
@Jhoverit what
He hit, like, everything
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16:29
Sure it looks huge. But he stayed on the gravel
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Nothing stole his momentum
the gravel did
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It's designed to
it did abruptly
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God designed rocks specifically for crash absorption
16:30
and this one, he plowed headfirst right into the wall and most of the damage came from before the crash
(spring hit him in the head)
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fuck
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He dint even hit the wall hard tho
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Looks nice and cushy
@Jhoverit Fuck that made me laugh a little more loudly than I intended to.
@Jhoverit You wouldn't be saying that if you were in the car
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16:32
When they land upside down ot go into the concrete is where I find the crash safety impressive
That doesn't impress me so much, because they have rollover protection
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Well he didn't even experience an average car accident right there on that wall.
there's not so much impact from flipping usually
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WHere's the gforce readout
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He got a nice rubber cushion. Didn't even trash the car
16:33
@Jhoverit You saying an average car crash is faster than that?
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@KendallFrey I said landing upside down :P
@Jhoverit landing from, what, 3 feet?
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@KendallFrey They experience more Gs than that. That wasn't a huge crash by any means
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That was ideal
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Agree to disagree.
16:34
ideally they dissipate speed gradually
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WHich is what he just did
not headfirst into a wall
headfirst is a good start to a fun night
ayylmao
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Fuck u imgur
@SterlingArcher I'll kick you assfirst
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16:36
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Looks pretty ideal to me.
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@HatterisMad chime in. You've flipped and had your race car literally ripped in half
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THat's just a slide off
...which is ideal after a crash
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16:38
No impacts lol. I agree that is ideal. Not ideal for an impact tho
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Ideal is winning.
there was an impact
not a hard one
@KendallFrey well, that was uneventful
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A tiny little bump lmao
@towc Not if you follow the F1 meta
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16:39
Hitting a spring bird would be worse
those guys are in the top team, both fighting for a championship
that's rude to the spring
just flyin' about, and you hit it :/
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@towc Look at the next video up lol
@Jhoverit that'll depend on the youtube user lol
I have "silver war"
no you silly
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16:41
The one in the chat lol
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He hits a flying spring with his helmet
oh
lol?
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lol*
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(lol)
are github pages ips non fixed?
16:52
oh boy... I hate transitionend events and reflows. coding fun no still Async is.
People don't know how to keep their mouths shut sometimes
@SuperUberDuper why would they?
I just had a fun call from a higher up explaining how they had to defuse a situation because somebody took me talking to them as "I have free time", which they reported to their guy, who is a senior exec. So basically the telephone game because of this person made me look like a slacker
they're static, there's no good reason to for them not to use a cdn for it, I think
and cdns with static ips are probably not a good thing
@SterlingArcher what kind of ridiculous people do you work with
16:56
!!new project or old project or game or procrastinate
@BenFortune new project
@TylerH I don't know but I'm pretty ticked off that somebody would say that about me
Like, the guy he's reporting to is senior as fuck. You can't just blindly talk about people like that even if it's an accident
@towc uh, why?
@ssube it means they're not properly redistributing the traffic?
@towc it would make my life easier
16:58
well, for major cdns, that is
@towc does it?
I have a lambda function that I want to restrict to a certain domain calling it
You only need a few IPs with the various kinds of casting
@ssube well, I guess they can play some tricks to maintain their registered ips across clients, but urgh
I doubt it's fast at all
@SuperUberDuper you can still do that
the domain isn't the ip
@towc to maintain them? What are you talking about?
17:00
@ssube to retrieve the client request and send the response
I'm probably missing something
how CDNs work, mostly
you query DNS (ideally cached), you get an IP, that's *casted to resolve to a local edge server, which should already have the content
any ideas how I can set that up in lambda?
@ssube but the IP can change
huh, can't believe I haven't used zsh before, I like it
ok, sure, doesn't have to
17:06
@towc they usually come from a pool that don't, but they can, it doesn't really matter.
but if the network is wide enough, it should, to balance the traffic
@towc why do you have to change the IP to balance traffic?
Afternoon. I know you guys normally hate these type of questions but, for a small team of devs using Visual Studio 2015, is there any preference between unit test library for javascript? We use Selenium but could do with more granular testing as well. I know there are many out there, I've researched, but before I choose one and am them told it would have been better to use X instead, any opinions ?
I'm looking at Jasmine and Karma but wasn't sure if that was still an acceptable choice.
@Dave those questions are only off-topic for the main site. Jasmine is a viable choice, Mocha is better, and there are newer (but less well supported) options.
say you're in a big city (and that's most internet users, I think), and are requesting something from a cdn. The fastest server close to you is getting too many requests, and the cdn manager judged that it might be faster if you use another server that is a bit farther away, maybe slower, but with a lot less traffic, so it will give you the file at ideally better speed than with the other cluttered server
and ideally this balancing would happen very often and across a lot of different servers
17:09
Yes, I've heard about Mocha. Does Mocha work alone? I mean, would I still need the runner? @ssube
Somebody post a dank meme to calm me down. I'm about to confront my co-worker about this talking about me shit
or do I just need Node.js
im literally shaking right now
@Dave you have one or more runners. Mocha can run its own tests, nyc is good for coverage, karma runs them in a browser, etc.
Stirling, he also said something about your favourite band :)
17:10
@towc yep, that's the basics of running a balanced web server
@ssube, so if I just need to test a function, which returns true/false, then I can use Mocha alone (no need to test the GUI per-se)?
doesn't have much to do with a CDN, which is more focused on the edge locations and routing to thosse properly
which means that if the network has enough servers close-ish to you, the ip should change almost every request you make (which is maybe every 1000th request anyone makes, and the server can manager can save on some processing power by caching what happens, although otherwise it might change for every single request anyone makes)
export default function AssetManagement() {
  return (
    <Switch>
      <Route exact path="/browse" component={ProjectsOverview} />
      <Route exact path="/browse/:folderId" component={AssetBrowser} />
      <Redirect to="/browse" />
    </Switch>
  );
}
@Dave you can, you can also get a library that does nicer asssertions. I use chai.
@towc why would the IP change?
17:11
Always fails when I go to /browse/1. What am I doing wrong?
Thank you @ssube, at least I now know what I@ll be doing tonight :)
@ssube different servers actually providing the file?
so?
@ssube actualy, I'll ask before I look it up = does it require Node.js?
different servers and different datacenters can all live behind a single static IP
@Dave yes
17:11
@ssube well, all good cdns should have balancing, right?
I thought so. Thank you again
well, if they're expecting requests from all over the place
@towc achieved through a combination of routing tricks. If you any/geocast the DNS server's IP, local clients will resolve to a local edge location.
@ssube as a form of spoofing? That's the only way I can think of, unless they sent the data back to the manager, but that's one more trip than needed
well, 2 more trips
what manager?
you just send each client to the closest geographical location, usually, and let things sort themselves out
17:14
the thing that picks the dns response... ok that makes sense, the server would still send things directly to you
for some reason I was thinking the manager acted as a proper http server
ok, I see how there's no really good reason I can think of for changing IPs, thanks for that
"the thing that picks the dns response" is the network
to run a super simple CDN, you need a few nginx boxes in each region, with a load balancer (ALB, haproxy, or just another nginx) to manage them. Then you set up a single anycast IP pointing to the balancers.
ok, I guess it'd make sense for it to not be centralized
actually, that makes a lot of sense
the internet as a whole points you to the right balancer, which points you to the right server, and you get your content
every so often, those edge servers will check back for a new copy of the page
yup, that makes sense
the dns thing didn't make sense
I'm blanking
Speaking of that...I came up with an interesting idea the other day.
A protocol which replaces IP in certain edge cases.
17:21
you might need to expand on that or I'll think you're crazy
Where everyone is just connected to as many nodes as they can however they want and you pass pass asymmetrically encrypted "packets" by exchanging "packets" with another node.
You're encouraged to trade packets with other nodes until you find yours.
you mean bittorrent
Very slow.
But no addressing required.
but like blind bittorrent
@ssube Hmm?
17:23
statistically, not enough traffic would find its destination to make that useful for more than a few seconds
@ssube I think it would work if you had enough people in the network. Obviously it only fits a specific purpose.
That purpose being similar to Tor or IP2Sec.
But instead of utilizing the current architecture...it discards it.
It was just a spitball idea. Thought it was interesting though.
the core concept of exchanging packets with peers until you reach some goal is bittorrent, that's the idea behind that protocol
this sounds like a game of blind 52 pickup built on bittorrent
where you also have to put the cards back in order and only keep one suite, still blind
@ssube Theoretically "packets" could be anything.
Technically you could use TCP and wait forever.
That sounds sloppy and a security nightmare.
regardless of what they are (or how big), within a few seconds you'll have enough of them in flight that nobody will be able to find theirs or decrypt them fast enough to tell
17:28
Just an idea. Wasn't planning on implementing it.
@ssube What makes you say that? You could exchange at the max bandwidth you have. It would be bandwidth inefficient FOR SURE.
But checking if you can decrypt with your private key should not take too long at all.
@ssube oh, is that a real game?
@Allenph How big are these packets?
The encryption overhead is going to be a problem if they're small
If they're large, memory becomes a problem and decryption takes too long
@ssube Yeah, I'd assumed you'd have to find a sweet-spot.
And it's likely that sweet-spot would change with network size.
You'd need many CPU cores per gbit of bandwidth.
Are there currently protocols which are able to get away without addresses?
17:32
Since we have machines that can run more than one gbit per CPU, that seems like a real problem.
I spoke with the guy
He saw how pissed off I was and immediately apologized
And I just found out on of my security experts was accused of padding hours so he was kicked off the project.
Who are these terrible people?????
you work at a federal sweatshop :P
This is the first I've ever seen of this crap
both in one day. I don't know what suddenly happened
sounds like management is frustrated, things got out of hand/they're out of control
that's usually what precipitated a round of firing at my last place :D
Well my mid year review was outstanding, and many people in upper management vouched for me so I should be ok
17:47
This is oddly satisfying:
> function foo(){return foo}
undefined
> foo()
[Function: foo]
> foo()()
[Function: foo]
> foo()()()
[Function: foo]
> foo()()()()
[Function: foo]
> foo()()()()()
[Function: foo]
> foo()()()()()()
[Function: foo]
> foo()()()()()()()
[Function: foo]
The apple live event says .... "Your browser doesn’t support live streaming of the event."
why ? someone help me I want to see the new iphone 8
Which browser are you using?
But I don't support Apple doing anything, browser support or not.
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Yupp. Still satisfying. The stack will overflow soon.
Chrome on windows 7
Actually, no it won't? Each call waits until the previous call has returned, so it's just a waste of time.
I read this latter at the bottom of the page "equirements: Live streaming uses Apple’s HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) technology. HLS requires an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch with Safari on iOS 9.0 or later, a Mac with Safari on macOS v10.11 or later, or a PC with Microsoft Edge on Windows 10. Streaming via Apple TV requires an Apple TV (2nd or 3rd generation) with software 6.2 or later or an Apple TV (4th generation)."
17:55
Hahahahaha, Apple trying to force you to use Apple technology. Classic.
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