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17:00
turns out i hate how the station at mun is designed, and much prefer the one i have around kerbin, so i'm ditching the mun design in favor of the kerbin one
posted on July 11, 2017 by Myles Borins

Notable Changes build: Disable V8 snapshots - The hashseed embedded in the snapshot is currently the same for all runs of the binary. This opens node up to collision attacks which could result in a Denial of Service. We have temporarily disabled snapshots until a more robust solution is found (Ali Ijaz Sheikh) deps: CVE-2017-1000381 - The c-ares function ares_parse_naptr_reply(), which is us

posted on July 11, 2017 by Myles Borins

Notable Changes build: Disable V8 snapshots - The hashseed embedded in the snapshot is currently the same for all runs of the binary. This opens node up to collision attacks which could result in a Denial of Service. We have temporarily disabled snapshots until a more robust solution is found (Ali Ijaz Sheikh) deps: CVE-2017-1000381 - The c-ares function ares_parse_naptr_reply(), which is us

TIL node 4 still gets maintenance releases
posted on July 11, 2017 by Evan Lucas

Notable changes build: Disable V8 snapshots - The hashseed embedded in the snapshot is currently the same for all runs of the binary. This opens node up to collision attacks which could result in a Denial of Service. We have temporarily disabled snapshots until a more robust solution is found (Ali Ijaz Sheikh) deps: CVE-2017-1000381 - The c-ares function ares_parse_naptr_reply(), which is us

posted on July 11, 2017 by Evan Lucas

Notable changes build: Disable V8 snapshots - The hashseed embedded in the snapshot is currently the same for all runs of the binary. This opens node up to collision attacks which could result in a Denial of Service. We have temporarily disabled snapshots until a more robust solution is found (Ali Ijaz Sheikh) deps: CVE-2017-1000381 - The c-ares function ares_parse_naptr_reply(), which is us

oh god mr Feeds
stahp
17:09
HAMMAHTIME!
@Loktar @KevinB @rlemon
lol, the end
Been there, done that, lol.
heh, I've caused my share of segfaults. Worse were the heap smashes that happened when messing with other people's code, or old video cards with driver memory leaks that would start drawing nonsense to the screen after a while.
if you are going to draw nonsense, at least it's on the screen
17:22
Or when you start modifying files that another chunk of code is trying to use when the system is trying to shut down, and it causes CRC errors on wake.
you can also have two processes try to read from a blocking named pipe at once, on windows, and they'll lock so hard the kernel tools can't end them
I did that once and one of the processes was a full screen game :(
Whoops
For people learning react wanted to share this: github.com/giorgim/product-table, just a table component supporting crud operations (no server side). feedback welcome too.
someone recommend me some metal
something brutal
like this
17:25
@Mosho more industrial or more noise?
really, anybody who does the crab walk
@Trasiva a) that's already more programming-language-related music than I thought existed, and b) that last one seemed odd, then he started singing about logo and fortran
oh yeah crabcore is br00tal
@ssube I liked it, I saved it for future playing.
just upgraded from 8.1.2 to 8.1.4
any clue where can I find clients about making a website from scratch? (front and back and design)
@towc stop vamping
ikr
17:29
learn wordpress
just found out that for a job whose salary we agreed to be 30$/hr, they would barely pay me 18$/hr ...
that changes the rest of my plans for at least a couple of months. I'm going to try to accelerate things and do the daily freelancer thing
@towc get agreements in writing
I'll do that next time
17:31
why WordPress?
@towc are you a slave?
like those sweatshop slaves but for developers.
18/hr still isn't bad for your first job.
It gives you something solid to put on your cv
well, it's not my first job
when did you finish school?
You've had another permanent position job?
well, first fulltime job, sure
but I can definitely do better
17:34
Remember freelancing means jack shit on a CV
Most companies do not see that as experience that matters
I don't even put it on mine past a note to fill the time
like, "did websites for clients, it sucked : 2011-2012"
I don't think it's too bad if I spend a week or so looking for a good job
I have some spare money
I should be able to survive
Which is exactly why this is helpful. It's a permanent full time position with an actual company. All freelance tells people is that you can do work, but you might not play well with others.
at my job they pay a guy 23 hour to do manual QA. no automation
17:35
@ssube @NathanJones @SterlingArcher danke
no, it would have been a contracting job :/
30hrs a week
@Mosho te gusta?
@Arrow Towc is also 18 fresh out of high school.
@Mosho that wasn't necessarily the most serious suggestion, but Immortal certainly isn't bad if you like church burnings
@Arrow that's about what the interns at my last place made and did
@SterlingArcher yeah not bad
@Mosho i <3 meshuggah
though not exactly what I was looking for
Also, if you're going to get into contracting this early. I'd probably look into having a lawyer look over anything on paper.
@trasiva if you are a good developer, it doesn't matter. 18 for a developer seems like nothing
17:37
I'm having a conundrum... I'm trying to write system tests where I spin up my server in a child process, then use JSDOM to load the client in order to test the UI; however, the child process doesn't seem to allow the parent process to continue... Can I show my code and get some assistance?
is one of my favorite bands
I'm new to child proccesses
I don't know how good towc is
@ssube I'll give it a go when I get back
all I need is someone who thinks has a good idea and needs to make a website for it. Well, also has some money
17:38
@ndugger post a fiddle, noob. Once they're started, children and parents have little/no interaction, which might be what's getting you.
Remember as a freelancer you're competing your bids. Why would they pick you when they could get the same shit from india for 50% off
I'm not too proficient in react or angular, which means that I'm probably not the best fit for any company
you should've learned some useful skills when you had the chance
That's where you learn from the company.
I didn't know angular when I joined SNC
Now I know meteor
killmeplshahahaha
you should sue them
17:40
@ssube I have a gist here gist.github.com/ndugger/2d9853436e8d3bf40860686a6addf410 -- when I run this test file, it just stops and spins like the main process is running an http server, even though it's my child process that's running the server
!!s/know/loathe/
@Trasiva Now I loathe meteor (source)
OSHA has to have rules about what frameworks they can teach you
@ssube "where did the framework touch you?"
In the IDE D:
@ssube lol
17:40
@ssube or look for that much-needed client, now that I have a stack I feel confident and very productive in
OSHA just says 'use vanilla js'
goog companies don't test for React or Angular they test for javascript
or Node
@towc your personal favorite stack literally doesn't matter
@Arrow bullshit
@Arrow everybody around me wants react or angular
Just JS isn't enough
@ssube well, it's ok if I'm the only one in the team and the client only cares about the end result. Hence the daily freelancing
17:41
@ndugger are you ever stopping the child?
in my opinion
@towc most freelance contracts specify a tech, because you're making one small part of their larger project
@ssube I want the child to run while the parent is running
Opinions don't really count when the answer is backed by facts
@ndugger yep. Who kills the child? The child via suicide or the parent via abortion?
cause node will keep "running" while the children are around
17:42
@ndugger does target test for React or angular ?
@ssube well, those aren't the ones I'm looking for. Again, something from scratch so I can get paid to do everything
sometimes
parent kills the child in the afterAll
but the code isn't running past the execFileSync, or at least the std output isn't appearing in the console after the child process is spun up
@towc Which everyone will want for free, because it'll give you good 'exposure'.
ah, shit, I haven't used the exec file stuff
just the cluster processes
17:43
ok
maybe I can accomplish this with cluster
just by the name, execFileSync is going to wait for the process to end
I'll have to do more digging around
so you probably don't want that
I'll try async
yeah, execute it async, then wait until the port is listening (or you hit a timeout)
17:44
> methods are synchronous and WILL block the Node.js event loop, pausing execution of any additional code until the spawned process exits
that's how we do all our server testing type stuff
derp
that seemed to work. I got a bunch of other errors that I have to fix now, though
you could break your tests again
but in a better way, so they just pass
dam, I think I might be on @ndugger shit list. Noooooooooooooooooooo
the efffffff... my ability to connect to my own local server via child process depends on if I'm connected to our vpn or not...
17:48
@Arrow please stop trying to spawn trolling sessions. Nick obviously is working on something and chose not to respond
Respect when people are trying to solve issues :)
@Arrow you may have already pissed him off, so your best idea is to keep trying to ping him?
sorry that was not appropriate
Just recognize we're trying to improve the room, and to be brutal and blunt: you're not contributing enough to the room to continue acting like you do.
Routinely trying to troll people is not a sustainable habit.
Yeah man everything in moderation, except bloody marys
17:54
have you been rewatching Archer or something? :P
No this is just how I talk whenever Sterling is around
He loves me <3
Sploosh
Or whatever the male version would be
you two need a room, and a roomba, like a heavy-duty shopvac one
17:55
Calling Krieger
Which is, I guess, sploosh
@ssube You forget the renovation plastic.
'cause they're gonna get it -everywhere-
oh yeah, wrap it first, for protection
2
the room, that is
I got it to work
but apparently JSDOM is missing a handful of features, like dataset, so I have to change some of my code to make it work in the JSDOM env
done and done
cries
I just want this to work without bugs
18:02
The only potential issue with my way of ui testing is if drone can't spin up the server, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it
@TristanWiley Unlike JS, without some referencing we have no idea what this is.
Nothing related, just want to rant :P
Well, in JS, you have no idea what this is.
An app I'm working on for Stackoverflow chat
That's my old real long-standing complaint with the language.
18:04
Just learned that my entire demo was done with my fly down. How embarrassing.
Did anyone notice? That's all that matters
But you still won, right?
@SterlingArcher You snake!
The old "rock out..." saying applies, you just rolled.
I'm mostly surprised no one broke out laughing, but that'd imply they saw something.
So unless you were handing out magnifying glasses....
18:05
ouch
If nobody mentions it, it could mean the demo went really well and their eyes never ventured from the screen
My pants are grey enough that it went unnoticed, but I did get a lot of compliments on my speaking skills. It was the highlight of the demo :)
HIghly praised by my clients bosses bosses
I'll chalk it up as a win
I would. Nice job dude
Congrats! Have a kitten jpg!
18:07
@SterlingArcher if you were demoing fly fishing, then you did it right
lol
@TylerH He had them hooked.
The demo just zipped right by!
Jordan Alexander, the guy that demos products to high-ranking people.
Jordan Alexander, the guy that does it with his fly down.
Jordan Alexander, the guy that can't even hold a cupcake.
wallah
I'm a magical man
18:10
Jordander alexan
Honestly how do I impress people who report to congress?
It's crazy
Use industry lingo
By being marginally more intelligent than a mole rat?
point with your glasses in your hand
To be fair, they've proven to have 0 common sense
18:11
Lol
say stuff about cutting costs
Nah but seriously dude congrats, never easy doing that
and securing america's freedoms
Hold your hands together and talk about synergy
"I've decided to fire myself to save project costs" gets promoted and raise
4
What a team player, such synergy! Wow!
18:12
!!doge team,synergy,cut costs,lingo
       wow
very team
           so synergy
                       much cut costs
such lingo
nailed it
@SterlingArcher that'll be $5 for your next presentation
!!doge vap0r,naked under it,we get it
   wow
           many vap0r
                            so naked under it
such we get it
@KendallFrey wut?
18:15
i didn't say it was funny
naked under it?
I don't even understand
under the vap0r
Does the doge format upset you?
I don't know if you're using it properly might have to ask @ndugger ala meme police
18:18
@GNi33 dewd
@KendallFrey ermergerd
What are you doing these days
@OctavianDamiean TRIGGERMERGERD
now to spin up a server to replace the database server aws is going to be taking down for maintenance during an important meeting tomorrow..
should be easy, in theory. spin up new instance from base image, restore backup, switch ip
18:29
-3
Q: How I can do that app

MatthhewI am looking for help in what shall I use to create app which works in real time and if someone from other PC will update the database that will be shown without refreshing in my app. Best regards.

@KendallFrey studying law
I know, WHAT!?
Is there a reliable way of waiting for an HTTP server to spin up and listen on a port? Just to prove out my concept, I added a 2s delay before pinging the server, but obviously that's not good
@ndugger I'm not sure I'm following, what is waiting for your server? A client app, a child process?
18:35
a hacky way (which works nevertheless) is to keep on sending xhr s to the server until something comes back. Works for both client and server
someone upvoted that post
or dump the output of netstat every half a second or so, and see if there's a line matching that port (if you're on the backend)
@SterlingArcher my server spins up in a child process, then I use JSDOM to ping it as the client, but I can't ask JSDOM to navigate to it until the server is ready
Yeah, I might have to write a util to try to ping it until it works
yucky, but it's just for running tests, so I'm ok with a hacky solution
process.exec("ping 127.0.0.1", (error, stdout, stderr) => {
    if (ping) //server is up
});
:P
that's it?
18:38
To an extent, you'd have to parse the stdout string to find a way to see if "yeah the ping is good" but you can just execute the command and read the out
Seems super shitty though
const checkAndInit = () => {
  let xhr = new XMLHttpRequest;
  xhr.open( 'GET', '/' );
  xhr.onload = init;
  xhr.onerror = checkAndInit;
}
Yeah, it is, but it's just for running tests, so it doesn't need to be a great solution
this should work
maybe
I'm in node land, pleb
the multi-root workspace update is in the insiders build (vscode)
18:40
you'd do that from JSDOM
it has xhrs, right?
no, the server needs to be running before JSDOM can do anything
ok, that makes more sense
well then, import npmjs.com/package/xmlhttprequest and then get 'localhost:whatever-port'
@ndugger can JSDOM potentially hook up to a socket connection which will wait for a server response?
I'm not sure
is there ever a reason not to use * with ngFor in angular 2?
18:45
hi all, I am trying to disable a submit button when there is less than 3 characters in a textbox and I am using onkeypress to do it. The code works on load and when I start typing and get to 3 but if I backspace it still remains enabled, even when there is less than 3 in the textbox
here is a fiddle jsfiddle.net/2rasuuhh
ew jquery
use oninput
problem solved
keydown would work too, but you shouldn't use keypress ever, really
and also, ew jquery
also, $(document).ready is deprecated
don't use jquery
oninput
ew
jquery is deprecated
@rlemon lol
18:51
> It's a good game, but i cannot recommend a game that is promoting the space lie to children. God bless all of you.
2
lmfao
@Skullomania please try harder next time jsfiddle.net/2rasuuhh/1
@Skullomania Like this
> Who needs heaven when they've got KSP?
agreed
KSP is boring; I'm all about RW though
I'm hooked on Rimworld
ty @rlemon <3
18:53
yea, took me a while to write the game
glad you enjoy it
fuck off lol
TIL ontology is short for "this magical process takes 2 years to develop and will never be delivered"
I intentionally let one of my colonists die yesterday because she was about to have a mental breakdown due to a drug addiction.
I had a few raiders come and it was the perfect time to have her go storm them alone
I need to start my colony fresh so I can design my base better, and prioritize my farming. My lack of growing medicine killed 2/3 originals (who had great seeds)
why the hatred towards jquery?
Yeah, I'm doing a lot of farming now, but it's still an after thought. I need to plan a little bit better as well. I might start over a third time this evening
18:58
@Kramb thanks
@Skullomania because you, and many other newbies, have no understanding of how it or anything related to javascript actually works, and you just copy/paste snippets and cross your fingers, and then everyone else has to fix it for you
actually I came up with that one myself.
@SterlingArcher why not just start building a new base, and move into it?
you'll already have resources and such on hand
@Skullomania and it was wrong; what's your point?
from reading the documentation
18:59
I got stuck and posted a question
@KevinB I feel like I've screwed up too much shit

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