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02:09
@Mosho i miss symphony x the prog band :(
I prefer murderous riffs
the riffs are good, Romeo's solos are always on point
but murderous? nah
pfffff
what do you think qualifies then
as murderous riffs?
yeah
that is not a riff
whatever they are
they're murderous
lol
what about this?
the beginning isn't that great
a riff is something short that repeats itself
02:13
but the way it builds is pretty good
I like heavy stuff but those aren't riffs
well, maybe parts in the second one
more like this:
ooh i love that album!
but the melody and energy of symphony x riffs is unmatched
and with oden on our side
so you like melodic stuff
yeah
or thrash
02:16
symphony x and dream theater were my jam in high school
yeah I went to a few DT concerts
labrie is a terrible singer, but i still like some of DT's stuff
he's not terrible
just not on par
@Mosho do you like stuff like this?
^ one of the best prog/power metal albums ever imo
I prefer straight to the point metal
02:22
gotcha
i've gone way too far down the rabbit hole when it comes to metal
Portal's basically Nu-Metal to me at this point /s
that track is a classic
oh no lol
never saw that lol
haha they kept the lyrics
lol i haven't heard the raggae one
02:37
i have to mention this album...if you're into weird shit
Are there any good time lapse screen recording utils for unix/osx?
Google gives me SEO rich freemium junk
03:02
Use quicktime on OSX to do screen recordings
It's built into the OS, and works really well
as far as time lapse, that's done in post
so get a decent editing suite
@NathanJones too incoherent for me
@Loktar Remember when being able to play an intense game of dodgeball with randos over the internet from your living room was something from the future? #ILoveVR
Just learned that Netbeans finally has ES6 support. Around the time my baby is born so I didn't know.
Pft, netbeans
Let's just say I've used them all and I settled with NB.
pls
If it works for you, great, but having a full blown IDE is often overkill for JS... in my opinion, anyways
03:26
why would you do JS in netbeans
not that I tried, it's just rare
webstorm is dope tbh
Well, JavaScript is not my main language. I mainly work with other languages.
So if I have to pay IntelliJ I'll have to go for Idea... Every two years or so.
ah netbeans, how innocent you are, from a time before generics
like hammer pants and neon sneakers, we left it quietly in the 90s
Whatever. I don't mind you use tab as long as you let me stick with space.
lol
03:39
I was using Delphi in the 90s.
03:58
I was playing nintendo in the 90s
weren't we all
is there an easy way to debug javascript or do i have to download stuff
chrome has pretty good debugging tools, they work with node if you give it the --debug-* flags
whats the debug flags
04:21
morning...
user406009
@RachelDockter Are you tried to debug JS on the web? Or node?
my node js project on the web
i downloaded the npm debug thing im tryna get it to work
04:44
node 7 has a good native debugger
node --inspect --debug-brk module.js
it opens in chrome automatically if you have this extension
im getting an error with that an people say to fix it i need to downgrade node
im just gonna put in a load of console.logs so i can debug it myself
it works for me on latest node (7.5.0)
as you wish
05:07
Hey, can anyone help me out with this?

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42016968/select-a-value-from-model-in-a-dropdown-using-angularjs?noredirect=1#comment71208711_42016968
(click rates, react-router thinking the gh-pages repo url is a request)
@RachelDockter are you there?
how is going on
@RachelDockter I don't understand properly what are you trying to do
im just making a node js game for my school assignment
05:22
but I'm good in node.js so maybe I can help
cool :)
its finished now, but i tidied the code and renamed variables so i just need to go back and fix everything
you mean "improve" insetad of "fix" :) as it is working, right?
anyway, best of luck
now I have a question for someone generous:
in postgresql, how can I update a sub key of my json?
db.query("UPDATE json SET active=$1 WHERE data->'elements'->'nodes'->0->'data'->'name'=$2", [true, 'Name here'])
gives me an error: invalid input syntax for type json
@rlemon @Luggage took another gander at rimworld and things were going well, then they got better. A pair of caravans was in town when a manhunting elephant attacked, killing half of them and giving me some nice guns. Used those to take out a slaver caravan that visited next and got all their stuff, and turned that into a nice business selling loot and clothing to pirates in exchange for prisoners and weapons.
05:54
If you have a minute please have a look: stackoverflow.com/questions/42017583/…
wtf does SET active=$1 have to do with what you're asking about?
There's no active in your example
oh, it's true....
can I do: SET $1 ?
I got: syntax error at or near "'updated'"
Does anybody know how to get correct syntax highlighting for react in VS?
@lix nope unfortunately
Maybe I should just turn off highlighting for jsx
06:17
Mozilla gives up on bringing Firefox to IoT, fires 50 staff
Previously in PHP netbeans has handled precompiling of my sass to css, how is this handled in a node environment?
@lix I've used node-sass one time, it was good for me
yeah that's the first thing I found
though Im trying to figure how I work it into my current setup
you add node sass to your package.json
you run npm install
you include it into your node.js server script
you use it
here's the thing currently I'm using webpack
06:21
oh... heard about it but never used.. sorry
np
It's because I'm going to be using react for some stuff
though at some point I'll need to figure out how exactly this is all going to work together
@Sheepy IoT is just a trending word. Nothing more
it did not surprise me
@KarelG can I ask you a postgresql thing?
@towc yes. He used that green "hacky" codepen. I was talking with a junior developer when I noticed his screen. It felt familiar but didn't bought attention to it because my terminal is also green with black bg. But someone winked me, went to him (his office is closer to that co-workers') and noticed the screen is really familiar. So checked it and it was your creation lol.
compliments to towc! :)
06:33
is it json or jsonb ?
In this post I read that postgres updates the whole row even if a change only a little part of it, as JSON in PostgreSQL is intended to store data that do not need to be manipulated. So at this point, if I want to continue in my intent, I could get the JSON (as I shown above), elaborate it, and then send to the database. Does it make sense? — neoDev 5 mins ago
did I not have told you that postgresql is not a nosql db ... ?
those collection features are fairly new. I didn't have checked how postgresql handles it under the hood
yes, but all other guys voted for postgresql
I used mongodb, and to be honest, I loved it
I wasn't here back then. If they were comparing it to mongodb ... then keh
but they were so disappointed...
06:37
mongodb became a trash lately
why
many things, even some unexpected (keh) data loss
yes, ben was saying the same thing
sin :(
a database like mongodb would be my best friend...
do you know a valid alternative?
hi @qslcna
user6438653
Shiet, being banned by a mod for a week sucks.
@shad0wk why?
user6438653
06:44
What do you mean why? I got banned for a week!
you did something bad?
user6438653
Nope, got banned because some mod didn't like my opinion on things...
quite hard to believe
user6438653
No, really.
Maybe you learned something from this week :)
user6438653
06:46
I'm @WATERYMEL0N, btw, I changed my name back to the old one.
user6438653
I learned nothing, other than some mods are...
hi melon
user6438653
Hey @KarelG
@neoDev that wasn't the only issue. Other issues were a poor API, errors that gets "defaulted" under the hood, violates the ACID, ...
it eventually caused too many problems that it's not useable outside hobby projects. But even then, it's still not good for hobby projects
user6438653
I added my banning to my dev profile, LOL.
06:51
there are not many good NoSQL database. You need to know the available database systems and pick one based on your requirements
NoSQL databases has a usecase if you know what you're getting into and plan for it
You're always asking. If you do some research, you will learn from it and use these experiences in the future
user6438653
Hey @ivarni!
If i see the requirements for a new project, I can think on some useful database systems from my head. Because i did research on those, and kept reading about the advancements of db storage technology
user6438653
Discord is better than stackoverflow.com, and their bot API is wayy better.
06:53
that's what an IT'er should do. Being an IT'er is a lifelong study
@KarelG it perfectly makes sense
Failed to convert parameter value from a Int32 to a Byte.
int = 32 bits -> byte = 8 bits ? prepare for data loss
user6438653
Who has a discord account?
user6438653
If ya want, go here : discord.gg/dz52m, A nicer chat with no moderation.
06:56
@neoDev but you've already installed your data on postgresql. I advise to use an ORM to guide you since direct queries may be difficult for you. Look for knex.js eg
or read the documentations to comprehend how postgresql emulates nosql schemes by json/jsonb/hstore
@shad0wk how is discord different ?
user6438653
There aren't any mods.
user6438653
You can delete messages, no matter how old.
user6438653
You can edit messages, no matter how old.
user6438653
It looks nicer.
user6438653
06:58
It's softer on the eyes.
So nothing new
Or experiment with postgresql through console. Many ways to learn from it
user6438653
Better bot API.
fucking phones
@KarelG please use a doll
its much safer ^
@shad0wk any cute girls there ?
06:59
@KarelG I kinda understand what you mean...
like ivarni said, (also) databases have a usecase, of course
user6438653
@FlyingGambit Yes, there are none here
lol. But my personal assistant (secretary) is not in my office yet. Somehow phone dials to my staff gets redirected to my phone before it ends to her phone
checking cables atm
knowledge, project requirements, decisions
all depends, always xD
@shad0wk I am coming to discord
only keep learning we can try to achieve best goals :)
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07:01
@FlyingGambit Keel.
> I'm tired (it's 330am here), I'm sick of hacking together sourcemaps, and I fucking HATE both babel and webpack but I work for a company that gargles the isomorphic nut sack.
lol'd hard
user6438653
lol
lol
fuck 32GB ram is not enough
07:08
wow
@Mosho what are you doing??
chrome + visual studio + unreal editor + pycharm
and mcafee for some reason wants its share too
I just had an actual memory fault from windows
haven't seen one of those in a while
Can someone exsplain to me how you load CSS with webpack?
css-loader
and require
I've never done this before
you have a memleak
07:10
it's basic
Do I still need to use a link tag?
and fuck mcafee ? :P
yeah it's mcafee
there's a thread about it
but it's the machine I use for work
and they want me to use it
and unreal editor might have leaks too
ah ... fortunately i'm a manager: myself. And I allowed my staff to choose their AV at own
most uses MSE
I caught it using 20gb to calculate lighting
probably a bug
07:12
Like if I'm using react with webpack, do I have to use react for everything? I just want to include the css I already had
it might be
@lix what you just said makes 0 sense
I'm litterally clueless atm
google is your friend
I think I'm just running into something too complex for my current knowledge
user6438653
07:13
Came back to have 26 messages, wow.
well, it pretends to be your friend at least
you should know how to use require and css-loader is available as npm for webpack: github.com/webpack-contrib/css-loader
This I understand
heck the page even shows how to use it
I have a page that has a bunch of html and css inside of this I'm loading react to build the actual dynamic part
Obviously webpack only understands JS
The link tag I have that loads with webpack can't load the css
the documentation for setting all of this up is really hard for me to understand
I've tried like 4-5 different begginer tutorials and I'm just stuck
kill me.
I am sorry, just very frustrated :-(
07:20
programming is professional frustration
This stuff just makes you feel retarded
programming is love
Anyone fancy a game of chess?
sure
07:23
I may not have too much time
i'm at work. sorry
however, i have a nice set of chess in glass at home. I like that
@KarelG #lifegoals
i've seen another nice thing too from USA but cannot import it :(
is it muslim?
i'm sure i can import it since it's "exporting" from usa's perspective :P
07:36
it's a travel ban, I don't think they can even leave
I thought that it's only for coming in USA ?
user6438653
@towc Jeez
I dunno
they can leave whenever they want but not enter
@lix you win :P
07:37
@Mosho gg friend :-)
also this is what i want to buy: etsy.com/listing/123849325/…
but cannot import it D:
looks muslim
also, is it actually worth that much money?
cool but I think I would get tilted looking at the pieces
handcrafted things
07:38
you might as well give it to me for a nice handcrafted heartwarming variable-size animation <3
and 16"
variable sized animation ?
Before I sleep I really want to get these stupid style sheets loading :/
KarelG any screen size. Not limited to 16"
If I keep this <link href="./css/style.css" rel="stylesheet">
why do you use ./?
07:42
Or would I replace it after loading the stylesheet through my webpack config
the href is to what the client will later ask the server for later in life
I thought webpack just loaded these in
well, you do need additional configuration for that
This is where I'm kind of stuck, like I know how you would add it in normally
and if you want to do that, the actual right way to do it is using a css precompiler and imports
07:44
but when it's run through webpack it returns a nosniff response
learn about scss. Not only will it help with this issue by binding the files you want toghether while keeping it modular, but also help in actual production
I can write Sass
@lix developer may intentionally want multiple links
I actually wrote all the css as sass and precomipled it
@lix again, not angry, just disappointed. But it can work
07:45
It just won't load
Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token {
in
jquery.dataTables.min.css:1
well, that's on you
what can i doo
@NomanJaved what's that file look like?
me or him?
07:46
datatable library
oooh god, I thought you were the same person
user6438653
@towc Come to the awesome chat discord.gg/xqZwsSX
@lix that's not the file
looking for jquery.dataTables.min.css
You mean the sass?
07:47
OH GOD
thought you were Noman
LOL
@lix you know you can compile scss to css using webpack, right?
Yeah but my current level of understanding is dog shit and if I try to do to many things at once everything breaks
make a separate testing thing and see how easily you can get scss working in webpack
07:49
Webpack isn't serving the css which is why it's returning the nosniff
@NomanJaved your require is to an empty import
I don't even know where to start to actually get webpack to serve all these different files
@lix google
don't overthink it
got it, I'll make some tea and do some more reading
think about what the client should have access to and need, and think about what can happen on the server
don't overthink it, but still think about it
get a piece of paper and write down the needs of the client and the capabilities of the server
start with the client
and work your way out
07:51
well I got here from googling gunan read this
are id's for stuff in html meant to be capitalised?
enjoy
if you need aything else, I won't be here
@RachelDockter no
use dash-notation
what are they reserved for
if that's the name. We usually call it css-naming
@RachelDockter if they're in camelCase, it's likely that they're being used in javascript without properly getting the element
im confused now
07:54
if you have an element with id mainDiv (which is horrible naming), in JS there will be a global variable called mainDiv that will represent the element
so js variables are meant to be names likeThis, and html = like-this
html+css, yeah
ah ok thanks
also, you can use different styles in js, but that's the general case scenario
@RachelDockter id has higher precedence than class
and to identify "unique" elements. But that is not a problem now. 10 years ago it was
07:55
so class is like-this too?
yup
the naming convention is a personal choice
kk ill change my variable names
i changed all my js variable names ysterday and my game is still broken lol
slowly getting there
just follow the general rules about camelCasing and difference between "class" (StartWithHigher) and "variable" (startWithLower)
i thought class was seperated with a hyphon
07:58
"class" =/= "className" of html elements ;)
Class as "Car" in your C# project. Or to represent something in the world
kinda confusing heh ? :P
you cannot start with numbers if im not mistaken
oh i assumed class = classname cause it was js chat
like var 1name = 'blabla';
it's not always js here
so when in html, id and class names should always be like this "audio-player" right?
07:59
@RachelDockter Me too. There is no class in js after all.

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